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#54160 From: Casimir Majewski <kmaj31@...>
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:55 pm
Subject: Fw: ZJAZD SYBIRAKOW I WETERANOW
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#54161 From: Mark <turkiewiczm@...>
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
turkiewiczm
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...especially hard to read if one of the men could have been yours.
The horror of the guys who did not have their coats pulled over their heads and looked into the pit makes my blood boil.
Do you think it odd that our guys from list 4 and 5 do not seem to be missed at the time of these reports? Do you think they may actually have been at one of the big 3 camps at some time and moved to their previously undiscovered destination?
I dont think we will ever find out much detail since those witnesses are probably all gone.
 
 
Mark T.
Canada
From: annapacewicz <annapacewicz@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:00:01 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
 
Thank you Mark. O'Malley's report is a must read. Churchill's opening words to Roosevelt say it all:

"(this is)a grim, well-written story, but perhaps a little too well-written."

And O'Malley's closing words are haunting:

"and so, lf the facts ·aoout the Katyn massacre turn out to be as most of us incline to think, shall we vindicate the spirit of these brave unlucky men and justify the living to the dead. ·
I have, &c. .
OWEN O'MALLEY"

By the way, Paul Allen's book "Katyn" gives a very good account of the efforts to suppress Katyn and the documentation in the US.

Kind regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
>
>  Letter from Winston to Roosevelt
>
> Mark T.
> Canada
>
>
>
> WSC_to_FDR_8-13-43ChurchilltoRoosevelt.pdf
> 18 MB
> Your file(s) will expire in 30 days
>  
> Powered by YouSendIt - The simple way to send large files within Yahoo! Mail. Try it!
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#54162 From: "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...>
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:28 pm
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
annapacewicz
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O'Malleys report notes that around 180,000 Poles were taken prisoner by the
Soviets after Sept 1939 and the 15,000 Officers of "Katyn" include around 6,000
Police. O'Malley says that the report focuses on the Army officers only because
of "the need of officers to command the Polish troops recruited in Russia". He
goes onto say that he does not suppose that the police/civilians/other POWs had
a fate any different to the Officers.

In 1943 the Germans only uncovered the Katyn forest grave containing the
approximately 4,400 bodies of Army Officers from the special camp at Kozelsk. At
that point the other "Katyn" burial sites had not been uncovered.

It was only in 1990 with Gorbachev's disclosure that the Ukraine and Belarus
list "civilian" prisoners were concretely linked to "Katyn" due to the order of
the 5th March from the Politburo and the continual numerical listing from victim
1 to 21,857.

Although the world knew about Katyn from 1943 I think that perhaps it was
assumed that the victims were only army officers? Growing up, I only knew that
my grandfather had been a policeman, had been arrested and deported by the
Soviets and then "disappeared". It was not until 1990 and the disclosure of the
Katyn Ukraine List that we actually knew that he had been killed in the Katyn
massacres.

Kind regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
>
> ...especially hard to read if one of the men could have been yours.
> The horror of the guys who did not have their coats pulled over their heads
and looked into the pit makes my blood boil.
> Do you think it odd that our guys from list 4 and 5 do not seem to be missed
at the time of these reports? Do you think they may actually have been at one of
the big 3 camps at some time and moved to their previously undiscovered
destination?
> I dont think we will ever find out much detail since those witnesses are
probably all gone.
>  
>
> Mark T.
> Canada
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: annapacewicz
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:00:01 PM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley
report
>
>
>  
>
> Thank you Mark. O'Malley's report is a must read. Churchill's opening words to
Roosevelt say it all:
>
> "(this is)a grim, well-written story, but perhaps a little too well-written."
>
> And O'Malley's closing words are haunting:
>
> "and so, lf the facts ·aoout the Katyn massacre turn out to be as most of us
incline to think, shall we vindicate the spirit of these brave unlucky men and
justify the living to the dead. ·
> I have, &c. .
> OWEN O'MALLEY"
>
> By the way, Paul Allen's book "Katyn" gives a very good account of the efforts
to suppress Katyn and the documentation in the US.
>
> Kind regards
> Anna Pacewicz
> Sydney
>
> --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
> >
> >  Letter from Winston to Roosevelt
> >
> > Mark T.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >           WSC_to_FDR_8-13-43ChurchilltoRoosevelt.pdf
> > 18 MB
> >           Your file(s) will expire in 30 days
> >    
> > Powered by YouSendIt - The simple way to send large files within Yahoo!
Mail. Try it!
> >
>

#54163 From: "Eva" <eszegidewicz@...>
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:57 pm
Subject: film Spies of Warsaw on BBC4 – Wednesday 9 January at 9.00 pm
eszegidewicz
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Dear Group,
A thrilling spy story set in Poland, Paris, London and Berlin in the years
leading up to the Second World War will be shown on BBC4 tomorrow, Wednesday at
9 pm.
The film was directed by our friend and contact Coky Giedroyc (daughter of
Siberian survivor Michal Giedroyc and sister of Mel Giedroyc TV
presenter/actress).
David Tennant plays a French military attaché who was a decorated war hero of
the 1914 war.
For more details please see -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/spiesofwarsaw/
Best regards.
Eva Szegidewicz
Director, Kresy-Siberia (UK)

#54164 From: Mark <turkiewiczm@...>
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2013 9:23 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
turkiewiczm
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Yes right, Anna.
From reading that, I surmised that our policemen could have been in the Ostashkow camp and when the disposition was being organized they were scheduled and taken to the jail in Kiev. Being in the overall group marked for death, they could have been routed to any of the murder sites.
 
Mark T.
Canada
From: annapacewicz <annapacewicz@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:28:33 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
 
O'Malleys report notes that around 180,000 Poles were taken prisoner by the Soviets after Sept 1939 and the 15,000 Officers of "Katyn" include around 6,000 Police. O'Malley says that the report focuses on the Army officers only because of "the need of officers to command the Polish troops recruited in Russia". He goes onto say that he does not suppose that the police/civilians/other POWs had a fate any different to the Officers.

In 1943 the Germans only uncovered the Katyn forest grave containing the approximately 4,400 bodies of Army Officers from the special camp at Kozelsk. At that point the other "Katyn" burial sites had not been uncovered.

It was only in 1990 with Gorbachev's disclosure that the Ukraine and Belarus list "civilian" prisoners were concretely linked to "Katyn" due to the order of the 5th March from the Politburo and the continual numerical listing from victim 1 to 21,857.

Although the world knew about Katyn from 1943 I think that perhaps it was assumed that the victims were only army officers? Growing up, I only knew that my grandfather had been a policeman, had been arrested and deported by the Soviets and then "disappeared". It was not until 1990 and the disclosure of the Katyn Ukraine List that we actually knew that he had been killed in the Katyn massacres.

Kind regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
>
> ...especially hard to read if one of the men could have been yours.
> The horror of the guys who did not have their coats pulled over their heads and looked into the pit makes my blood boil.
> Do you think it odd that our guys from list 4 and 5 do not seem to be missed at the time of these reports? Do you think they may actually have been at one of the big 3 camps at some time and moved to their previously undiscovered destination?
> I dont think we will ever find out much detail since those witnesses are probably all gone.
>  
>
> Mark T.
> Canada
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: annapacewicz
> To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:00:01 PM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
>
>
>  
>
> Thank you Mark. O'Malley's report is a must read. Churchill's opening words to Roosevelt say it all:
>
> "(this is)a grim, well-written story, but perhaps a little too well-written."
>
> And O'Malley's closing words are haunting:
>
> "and so, lf the facts ·aoout the Katyn massacre turn out to be as most of us incline to think, shall we vindicate the spirit of these brave unlucky men and justify the living to the dead. ·
> I have, &c. .
> OWEN O'MALLEY"
>
> By the way, Paul Allen's book "Katyn" gives a very good account of the efforts to suppress Katyn and the documentation in the US.
>
> Kind regards
> Anna Pacewicz
> Sydney
>
> --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
> >
> >  Letter from Winston to Roosevelt
> >
> > Mark T.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > WSC_to_FDR_8-13-43ChurchilltoRoosevelt.pdf
> > 18 MB
> > Your file(s) will expire in 30 days
> >  
> > Powered by YouSendIt - The simple way to send large files within Yahoo! Mail. Try it!
> >
>


#54165 From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
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I am skeptical. The 15,000 were from three prison camps. To this number was added 9000 men and women arrested in December. Most of the civilians would have been in the second group. And of course thousands of police were deported in 1940. 

O'Malley's report was very early, hence likely to be full of errors. The notion of men shot at open pits is almost certainly one such, resulting from his knowledge of German massacres of the time. -- Dan 



On Jan 8, 2013, at 1:28 PM, "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...> wrote:

 

O'Malleys report notes that around 180,000 Poles were taken prisoner by the Soviets after Sept 1939 and the 15,000 Officers of "Katyn" include around 6,000 Police. O'Malley says that the report focuses on the Army officers only because of "the need of officers to command the Polish troops recruited in Russia". He goes onto say that he does not suppose that the police/civilians/other POWs had a fate any different to the Officers.

In 1943 the Germans only uncovered the Katyn forest grave containing the approximately 4,400 bodies of Army Officers from the special camp at Kozelsk. At that point the other "Katyn" burial sites had not been uncovered.

It was only in 1990 with Gorbachev's disclosure that the Ukraine and Belarus list "civilian" prisoners were concretely linked to "Katyn" due to the order of the 5th March from the Politburo and the continual numerical listing from victim 1 to 21,857.

Although the world knew about Katyn from 1943 I think that perhaps it was assumed that the victims were only army officers? Growing up, I only knew that my grandfather had been a policeman, had been arrested and deported by the Soviets and then "disappeared". It was not until 1990 and the disclosure of the Katyn Ukraine List that we actually knew that he had been killed in the Katyn massacres.

Kind regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
>
> ...especially hard to read if one of the men could have been yours.
> The horror of the guys who did not have their coats pulled over their heads and looked into the pit makes my blood boil.
> Do you think it odd that our guys from list 4 and 5 do not seem to be missed at the time of these reports? Do you think they may actually have been at one of the big 3 camps at some time and moved to their previously undiscovered destination?
> I dont think we will ever find out much detail since those witnesses are probably all gone.
>  
>
> Mark T.
> Canada
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: annapacewicz
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:00:01 PM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
>
>
>  
>
> Thank you Mark. O'Malley's report is a must read. Churchill's opening words to Roosevelt say it all:
>
> "(this is)a grim, well-written story, but perhaps a little too well-written."
>
> And O'Malley's closing words are haunting:
>
> "and so, lf the facts ·aoout the Katyn massacre turn out to be as most of us incline to think, shall we vindicate the spirit of these brave unlucky men and justify the living to the dead. ·
> I have, &c. .
> OWEN O'MALLEY"
>
> By the way, Paul Allen's book "Katyn" gives a very good account of the efforts to suppress Katyn and the documentation in the US.
>
> Kind regards
> Anna Pacewicz
> Sydney
>
> --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
> >
> >  Letter from Winston to Roosevelt
> >
> > Mark T.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > WSC_to_FDR_8-13-43ChurchilltoRoosevelt.pdf
> > 18 MB
> > Your file(s) will expire in 30 days
> >  
> > Powered by YouSendIt - The simple way to send large files within Yahoo! Mail. Try it!
> >
>


#54166 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:04 pm
Subject: Andrzej Pachkovsky - SOVIET Repression of POLES
lenardaszymczak
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This article, original in Russian language, but awkwardly translated in English, makes for interesting if not laborious read, with much information.

 

Andrzej Pachkovsky

  Poland, "the nation - the enemy"

SOVIET    Repression of    POLES

 

 

Quote from translated  version - According to reports by the NKVD on 10 July 1938, the number of prisoners lo Polish origin was 134,519 people, about 53% of them were from Ukraine and Belarus. Between 40% and 50% of them were shot (which was about 50 000 to 67 000 victims 1), the survivors - sent to labor camps or deported to Kazakhstan.     (This would be from the first (1st) wave, named THE POLISH OPERATION and THE GREAT TERROR – which ended in 1938 - the history of my mothers’ family from Zhitomirski Oblast – there is very little information from this time).

 

1 - þÅÒÎÁÑ ËÎÉÇÁ ËÏÍÍÕÎÉÚÍÁ. ðÒÅÓÔÕÐÌÅÎÉÑ, ÔÅÒÒÏÒ, ÒÅÐÒÅÓÓÉÉ

blackrotbook.narod.ru/pages/24.htm - Translate this page

õÃÅÌÅ×ÛÉÅ ÚÁËÌÀÞÅÎÎÙÅ ÂÙÌÉ ÒÁÓÓÔÒÅÌÑÎÙ × ÐÅÒÉÏÄ âÏÌØÛÏÇÏ ÔÅÒÒÏÒÁ. ... (×ÐÏÓÌÅÄÓÔ×ÉÉ çõçâ îë÷ä) ÓÐÉÓËÉ ÐÏÌÑËÏ×, ÒÁÂÏÔÁ×ÛÉÈ × ÔÏÔ ÐÅÒÉÏÄ × ÓÏ×ÅÔÓËÉÈ ... ðÅÒ×ÙÊ, ÎÁ ÔÅÒÒÉÔÏÒÉÉ õËÒÁÉÎÙ, ÎÏÓÉ×ÛÉÊ ÉÍÑ àÌÉÁÎÁ íÁÒÈÌÅ×ÓËÏÇÏ (ÏÄÎÏÇÏ ÉÚ ... ìÅÔÏÍ 1937 ÇÏÄÁ îë÷ä ÐÒÏ×ÅÌ ÏÞÅÒÅÄÎÙÅ ÒÅÐÒÅÓÓÉÉ ÐÒÏÔÉ× .

 

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://blackrotbook.narod.ru/pages/24.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25D0%259C%25D0%25B0%25D1%2580%25D1%2585%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B2%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BC%2B%25D0%259D%25D0%259A%25D0%2592%25D0%2594%2B%25D0%25B7%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BB%25D1%258E%25D1%2587%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BD%25D1%258B%25D1%2585%2B%25D1%2581%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B8%25D1%2581%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BA%2B1937%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DkFO%26tbo%3Dd%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=MZzsUPyvN829kQWs1ID4Cg&ved=0CHsQ7gEwCQ

 

Lenarda, Australia


#54167 From: <stefan.wisniowski@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:28 am
Subject: OFF-TOPIC: [FWD: Invitation to the Captain Witold Pilecki Event at USHMM - January 27th] - Washington DC
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This is off-topic for Kresy-Siberia, but very apropos for Polish WWII history. I hope that some of our US members can attend this event, and represent Kresy-Siberia.  Please see the below invitation and please let us know!

Kind regards
Stefan Wisniowski
SYDNEY Australia

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Invitation to the Captain Witold Pilecki Event at USHMM -
January 27th
From: Maziarz Konrad <konrad.maziarz@...>
Date: Wed, January 09, 2013 6:38 am

Please register your attendance with ushmm.org/events/jan27 or by responding to this e-mail to konrad.maziarz@....
 

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#54168 From: "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:35 am
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
annapacewicz
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Hi Mark, I know from my grandfather's file that he was deported from the prison
in Rowne on the 28th March straight to Kiev. The general information I have is:

It has been harder to piece together the fate of the 7,305 executed prisoners
who were held in prisons created by the NKVD in various places in Eastern
Poland, such as Pinsk, Luck, Rowno, Lwow : 3,435 prisoners from prisons in
so-called "Western Ukraine" were deported to prisons in Kiev, Kharkov and
Kherson. There they were executed and buried in a mass grave in Bykownia, near
Kiev. Finally 3,870 prisoners from prisons in the so-called Western Belorus were
deported to prisons in Minsk. Their bodies have never been found.

Separate to that, there were 6,000 or so policemen included in the POW's of the
3 special camps. They were held in Ostashkov camp . The 6,291 prisoners here
were largely policemen, gendarmes and KOPs. These prisoners from Ostashkov camp
were executed in the basement of Kalinin prison, their bodies buried in trenches
in Mednoye, near Tver.

However, in addition there were thousands of policemen who were held as
"civilian prisoners" in "Western Ukraine" and "Western Belarus" (Soviet terms
for Borderlands) prisons and deported to prisons in Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson in
addition to Minsk. i.e. My grandfather. I also met the relatives of several
policemen when I went to the Bykownia ceremony in Sept. I don't know how many
policemen were part of this 7,000 or so of the Ukraine and Belarus list.

I also don't know why the 6,000 or so policemen at Ostashkov were held at that
special camp as "POWs" versus the thousands of policemen from the civilian
prisons of "Western Ukraine" and "Western Belarus". Perhaps it was a matter of
rank. My own grandfather was a Constable. Perhaps only the Officers were held as
POWs at Ostashkov. But anyway, I'm still not sure how that would account for the
difference between "POW" and "civilian prisoner".

Kind regards,

Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
>
> Yes right, Anna.
> From reading that, I surmised that our policemen could have been in the
Ostashkow camp and when the disposition was being organized they were scheduled
and taken to the jail in Kiev. Being in the overall group marked for death, they
could have been routed to any of the murder sites.
>
> Mark T.
> Canada
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: annapacewicz
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:28:33 PM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley
report
>
>
>  
>
> O'Malleys report notes that around 180,000 Poles were taken prisoner by the
Soviets after Sept 1939 and the 15,000 Officers of "Katyn" include around 6,000
Police. O'Malley says that the report focuses on the Army officers only because
of "the need of officers to command the Polish troops recruited in Russia". He
goes onto say that he does not suppose that the police/civilians/other POWs had
a fate any different to the Officers.
>
> In 1943 the Germans only uncovered the Katyn forest grave containing the
approximately 4,400 bodies of Army Officers from the special camp at Kozelsk. At
that point the other "Katyn" burial sites had not been uncovered.
>
> It was only in 1990 with Gorbachev's disclosure that the Ukraine and Belarus
list "civilian" prisoners were concretely linked to "Katyn" due to the order of
the 5th March from the Politburo and the continual numerical listing from victim
1 to 21,857.
>
> Although the world knew about Katyn from 1943 I think that perhaps it was
assumed that the victims were only army officers? Growing up, I only knew that
my grandfather had been a policeman, had been arrested and deported by the
Soviets and then "disappeared". It was not until 1990 and the disclosure of the
Katyn Ukraine List that we actually knew that he had been killed in the Katyn
massacres.
>
> Kind regards
> Anna Pacewicz
> Sydney
>
> --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
> >
> > ...especially hard to read if one of the men could have been yours.
> > The horror of the guys who did not have their coats pulled over their
heads and looked into the pit makes my blood boil.
> > Do you think it odd that our guys from list 4 and 5 do not seem to be
missed at the time of these reports? Do you think they may actually have been at
one of the big 3 camps at some time and moved to their previously undiscovered
destination?
> > I dont think we will ever find out much detail since those witnesses are
probably all gone.
> >  
> >
> > Mark T.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: annapacewicz
> > To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:00:01 PM
> > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley
report
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Thank you Mark. O'Malley's report is a must read. Churchill's opening words
to Roosevelt say it all:
> >
> > "(this is)a grim, well-written story, but perhaps a little too
well-written."
> >
> > And O'Malley's closing words are haunting:
> >
> > "and so, lf the facts ·aoout the Katyn massacre turn out to be as most of
us incline to think, shall we vindicate the spirit of these brave unlucky men
and justify the living to the dead. ·
> > I have, &c. .
> > OWEN O'MALLEY"
> >
> > By the way, Paul Allen's book "Katyn" gives a very good account of the
efforts to suppress Katyn and the documentation in the US.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Anna Pacewicz
> > Sydney
> >
> > --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
> > >
> > >  Letter from Winston to Roosevelt
> > >
> > > Mark T.
> > > Canada
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#54169 From: Witold J Lukaszewski <wjlukaszewski@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:53 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] OFF-TOPIC: [FWD: Invitation to the Captain Witold Pilecki Event at USHMM - January 27th] - Washington DC [1 Attachment]
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Dear All,

Does anyone know what happened with the authentic railroad wagon, which the Polish authorities had lent to the Washington Holocaust Museum for its opening, The wagon was supposed to have been returned to Auschwitz, but the Holocaust Museum refused and, instead, as a "payment," promised to make a film about Witold Pilecki. Has the wagon been returned, or is this the "payment?"

Witek


On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:28 PM, <stefan.wisniowski@...> wrote:

 

This is off-topic for Kresy-Siberia, but very apropos for Polish WWII history. I hope that some of our US members can attend this event, and represent Kresy-Siberia.  Please see the below invitation and please let us know!

Kind regards
Stefan Wisniowski
SYDNEY Australia

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Subject: Invitation to the Captain Witold Pilecki Event at USHMM -
January 27th
From: Maziarz Konrad <konrad.maziarz@...>
Date: Wed, January 09, 2013 6:38 am

Please register your attendance with ushmm.org/events/jan27 or by responding to this e-mail to konrad.maziarz@....
 
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#54170 From: Mark <turkiewiczm@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:13 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
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Thanks Anna. You have always shared good info with me.
I am a hammerhead. My grandfather was a sergeant of State Police, head of criminal investigations in Przemysl. I dont know wht that means in terms of officer or civilian status.
I thought I closed the file with Bykownia but now I am skeptical again. I only want to travel his fate for him so someone noticed his horror and sacrifice. Right now, he seems unknown and I hate it. Police Family Assoc want to know nothing about him, UKR victims have little documentation.
I cant find anything except that he was killed. Just venting, thanks.
 
Mark T.
Canada
From: annapacewicz <annapacewicz@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:35:11 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
 
Hi Mark, I know from my grandfather's file that he was deported from the prison in Rowne on the 28th March straight to Kiev. The general information I have is:

It has been harder to piece together the fate of the 7,305 executed prisoners who were held in prisons created by the NKVD in various places in Eastern Poland, such as Pinsk, Luck, Rowno, Lwow : 3,435 prisoners from prisons in so-called "Western Ukraine" were deported to prisons in Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson. There they were executed and buried in a mass grave in Bykownia, near Kiev. Finally 3,870 prisoners from prisons in the so-called Western Belorus were deported to prisons in Minsk. Their bodies have never been found.

Separate to that, there were 6,000 or so policemen included in the POW's of the 3 special camps. They were held in Ostashkov camp . The 6,291 prisoners here were largely policemen, gendarmes and KOPs. These prisoners from Ostashkov camp were executed in the basement of Kalinin prison, their bodies buried in trenches in Mednoye, near Tver.

However, in addition there were thousands of policemen who were held as "civilian prisoners" in "Western Ukraine" and "Western Belarus" (Soviet terms for Borderlands) prisons and deported to prisons in Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson in addition to Minsk. i.e. My grandfather. I also met the relatives of several policemen when I went to the Bykownia ceremony in Sept. I don't know how many policemen were part of this 7,000 or so of the Ukraine and Belarus list.

I also don't know why the 6,000 or so policemen at Ostashkov were held at that special camp as "POWs" versus the thousands of policemen from the civilian prisons of "Western Ukraine" and "Western Belarus". Perhaps it was a matter of rank. My own grandfather was a Constable. Perhaps only the Officers were held as POWs at Ostashkov. But anyway, I'm still not sure how that would account for the difference between "POW" and "civilian prisoner".

Kind regards,

Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
>
> Yes right, Anna.
> From reading that, I surmised that our policemen could have been in the Ostashkow camp and when the disposition was being organized they were scheduled and taken to the jail in Kiev. Being in the overall group marked for death, they could have been routed to any of the murder sites.
>
> Mark T.
> Canada
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: annapacewicz
> To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:28:33 PM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
>
>
>  
>
> O'Malleys report notes that around 180,000 Poles were taken prisoner by the Soviets after Sept 1939 and the 15,000 Officers of "Katyn" include around 6,000 Police. O'Malley says that the report focuses on the Army officers only because of "the need of officers to command the Polish troops recruited in Russia". He goes onto say that he does not suppose that the police/civilians/other POWs had a fate any different to the Officers.
>
> In 1943 the Germans only uncovered the Katyn forest grave containing the approximately 4,400 bodies of Army Officers from the special camp at Kozelsk. At that point the other "Katyn" burial sites had not been uncovered.
>
> It was only in 1990 with Gorbachev's disclosure that the Ukraine and Belarus list "civilian" prisoners were concretely linked to "Katyn" due to the order of the 5th March from the Politburo and the continual numerical listing from victim 1 to 21,857.
>
> Although the world knew about Katyn from 1943 I think that perhaps it was assumed that the victims were only army officers? Growing up, I only knew that my grandfather had been a policeman, had been arrested and deported by the Soviets and then "disappeared". It was not until 1990 and the disclosure of the Katyn Ukraine List that we actually knew that he had been killed in the Katyn massacres.
>
> Kind regards
> Anna Pacewicz
> Sydney
>
> --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
> >
> > ...especially hard to read if one of the men could have been yours.
> > The horror of the guys who did not have their coats pulled over their heads and looked into the pit makes my blood boil.
> > Do you think it odd that our guys from list 4 and 5 do not seem to be missed at the time of these reports? Do you think they may actually have been at one of the big 3 camps at some time and moved to their previously undiscovered destination?
> > I dont think we will ever find out much detail since those witnesses are probably all gone.
> >  
> >
> > Mark T.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: annapacewicz
> > To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:00:01 PM
> > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Thank you Mark. O'Malley's report is a must read. Churchill's opening words to Roosevelt say it all:
> >
> > "(this is)a grim, well-written story, but perhaps a little too well-written."
> >
> > And O'Malley's closing words are haunting:
> >
> > "and so, lf the facts ·aoout the Katyn massacre turn out to be as most of us incline to think, shall we vindicate the spirit of these brave unlucky men and justify the living to the dead. ·
> > I have, &c. .
> > OWEN O'MALLEY"
> >
> > By the way, Paul Allen's book "Katyn" gives a very good account of the efforts to suppress Katyn and the documentation in the US.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Anna Pacewicz
> > Sydney
> >
> > --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
> > >
> > >  Letter from Winston to Roosevelt
> > >
> > > Mark T.
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#54171 From: Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:50 pm
Subject: Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
helenbitner
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Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna
Zawadzka  born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She
was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's
grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the  Soviet NKWD in Sept
1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of
April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with 
more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in
Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia
some years ago, but  they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and
their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It
was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's
families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a
Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and
eventually settled   in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another
Krystyna Zawadzka  because she was born in 1937?  However if there is any
probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the
Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia
Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in
India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for  success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK

#54172 From: Carol Hornby-Clements <craftyccc@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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I hope you are successful with your search. Everyone is friendly and helpful.

Carol


On 9 January 2013 14:50, Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...> wrote:
 

Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK




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#54173 From: Stanislaw Zwierzynski <zwierzinski1957@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Hi, Rafal!

Some days ago I posted new file about Mednoje. Hard reading.
Stan from M,


From: Carol Hornby-Clements <craftyccc@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland

 
I hope you are successful with your search. Everyone is friendly and helpful.

Carol


On 9 January 2013 14:50, Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...> wrote:
 
Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK




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#54174 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:15 pm
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Welcome Rafal, I know the group will do their best to assist you.

Lenarda, Australia

 

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Helen Bitner
Sent: Thursday, 10 January, 2013 1:50 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland

 

 

Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK


#54175 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:20 pm
Subject: Zawadzka family
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Rafal, perhaps someone in group can check marriage records for name change of Krystyna Zawadzka in Canada.

Also, from Strony O Wolyniu, these villages have families with name Zawadzka, are they part of your family, relations?

 

Wo³yñ - Ko¶ciuszków

Micha³a dzieci: Wanda 1925, Janina 1928, Krystyna 1936. ... Zawadzka - córka Szymona i Marii (zam. w ¯abeczniku), dzieci: Józef, W³adys³aw 1928 i Zygmunt ...

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/kosciuszkow-07.html

Wo³yñ - Huta Stepañska

Myczewska z Omelanki, córki: Barbara 1930, Krystyna 1938. ..... Zawadzka 1885 (wdowa po Janie) oraz rodzeñstwo nie¿yj±cego W³adys³awa - bracia: Tadeusz ...

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/huta_stepanska-03.html

 

Wo³yñ - Falemicze

Zawadzka, dzieci: Edward 5.10.1921-27.07.2000, od 1946 r. we Francji, Krystyna (zamieszka³a w ¦wiebodzinie), Jadwiga (zamieszka³a w Warszawie). 2.

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/falemicze-10.html

Wo³yñ - Poroda

Poni¿ej szkic opracowany przez Krystynê Sporek z d. ... Zawadzka (brat Franciszki Malwiny - ¿ony Lucjana Turowskiego z poz.9), ¿ona Zofia, dzieci: Stanis³awa, ...

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/poroda-09.html

 

Wo³yñ - Zasmyki

Zawadzka, ¿ona Janina 1911 z d. ¯o³nik - c. Jana i Ewy ... Zawadzka, ¿ona W³adys³awa 1907 z d. Kosiñska - c. .... Krystyna Makerska, [styczeñ 2008] poz. 92 -94 ...

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/zasmyki-04.html

Wo³yñ - Lubomirka Stara

Zawadzka, ¿ona Domicela 1.03.1906-18.02.1997 z d. ... 1933, Stefan 1936, Regina 1937 (Czerwiñska), Stanis³awa 1939, Krystyna 1940, Bronis³aw 1943- 2000.

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/lubomirka_stara-08.html

 

Wo³yñ - Lipska

Szadurska w kolonii Lipskiej), Helena (Ga³ka, w poz.7), Leontyna (Zawadzka, ... Maria (narzeczony Stanis³aw Kosiñski z Jadwigina), Krystyna, Helena. 7.

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/lipska-02.html

Wo³yñ - Marusia

kolonia. MARUSIA. gromada Marusia, gmina Czaruków, ...

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/marusia-07.html

 

Wo³yñ - Zagaje

... Zofia Katarzyna 1929-1943, Janina 1931-1943, Krystyna Teresa 1934-1943. 4. .... Zawadzka, dzieci: Czes³awa Bronis³awa 1940-1943, Danuta 1942-1943 ...

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/zagaje-02.html

Wo³yñ - Sochy

Zawadzka, ¿ona Emilia, dzieci: Roman, Stanis³aw,. 9. ROMAÑSKI, Albin, dzieci: Leonard i ... Krystyna Wi±cek, [marzec 2011] poz. 13. Szukam informacji o moim ...

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/sochy-09.html

Wo³yñ - Klewañ

KORNELUK, Leon. ¿ona IN. dzieci: Krystyna i Leszek, .... Poszukujê informacji o mojej praprababci Zofii Zawadzkiej i o losach jej rodziny. helen_tunisia(a)live.ru ...

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/klewan-08.html

Wo³yñ - Olgin

Jana i Krystyny z d. ... ustnych Antoniego Szatkowskiego, Stefanii Galeniewskiej, Dominika Zawadzkiego i Jana M³otkowskiego. edward-markiewicz(a)o2.pl. 3.

wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/olgin-07.html

 

Pozdrawiena

Lenarda, Australia

 


#54176 From: Stefan Wisniowski <stefan.wisniowski@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 9:26 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Did I read correctly born in 1937?   That is consistent is it not? Might be a good chance it is the same person.

Rafal can you share the Red Cross info?

UK members can you check for Zawadzki families? Do the Pikes from India know her?

Best regards
Stefan Wisniowski
Sydney Australia 

On 10/01/2013, at 1:50, Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...> wrote:

 

Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK


#54177 From: "Frances" <frncsgts@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 9:54 pm
Subject: Re: Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Hello Rafal

A warm welcome to the group.
Please refer to message 28714 - it contains a list of those orphans from Siberia/Kazakhstan who spent time in the Polish refugee camp in Tengeru, Tanganyika (now Tanzania) who were sent to Canada.  There is a Krystyna Zawadzka on this list, which may be your aunt.

There is a message board on the link below, it may be helpful.

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.africa.kenya.general/29.2.2.1/mb.ashx

Good luck with your search

Frances
 


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Helen Bitner wrote:
>
> Dear Group
> Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).
>
> Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.
>
> Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.
>
> Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
> My very best wishes for success in your researches
> Kind regards
> Helen Bitner
> Colchester
> UK
>

#54178 From: Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:01 pm
Subject: Red Cross List???
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Whatever happened to the ( Red Cross??) passenger list from USSR to Pahlevi that Kresy site used to have? Where can it be found ?
 
hania



#54179 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:06 pm
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Frances, message board came up as not valid, is there another link?

Lenarda, Australia

 

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Frances
Sent: Thursday, 10 January, 2013 8:54 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland

 

 


Hello Rafal

A warm welcome to the group.
Please refer to message 28714 - it contains a list of those orphans from Siberia/Kazakhstan who spent time in the Polish refugee camp in Tengeru, Tanganyika (now Tanzania) who were sent to Canada.  There is a Krystyna Zawadzka on this list, which may be your aunt.

There is a message board on the link below, it may be helpful.

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.africa.kenya.general/29.2.2.1/mb.ashx

Good luck with your search

Frances
 


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Helen Bitner wrote:
>
> Dear Group
> Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).
>
> Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.
>
> Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.
>
> Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
> My very best wishes for success in your researches
> Kind regards
> Helen Bitner
> Colchester
> UK
>


#54180 From: Mark <turkiewiczm@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Here are the Zawadzka's from the 4 Katyn lists. Sorry for the format.
8988 Zawadzki Bolesław s. Michała St. przod. PP 1898 Twer
8989 Zawadzki Włodzimierz s. Michała St. przod. PP 1900 Twer
11730 Zawadzki Bronisław s. Marcelego St. przod. PP 1900 Twer
11731 Zawadzki Stefan s. Stanisława St. przod. PP 1906 Twer
13767 Zawadzki Aleksander s. Franciszka post PP 1897 Twer
13768 Zawadzki Józef s. Jana post PP 1909 Twer
1060 zawadzki michal michala 1883 43 2 64
7951 Zawadzki Jan s. Józefa ppor r. 1910 † Charków Charkow
4196 Zawadzki Józef s. Antoniego por r. 1898 † Katyń Katyn
2171 Zawadzki Marian s. Walentego kpt r. 1879 † Katyń Katyn
4197 Zawadzki Stanisław s. Aleksandra por r. 1903 † Katyń Katyn
8428 Zawadzki Tadeusz s. Wincentego pchor r. 1916 † Katyń Katyn
7952 Zawadzki Teofil s. Andrzeja ppor r. 1892 † Katyń Katyn
 
Mark T.
Canada
From: Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...>
To: "Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com" <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 9:50:19 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
 
Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK


#54181 From: JanZ <janz@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:16 pm
Subject: Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Rafal,
 
Krystyna, born in Kowel 1937, parents Waclaw and Maria is listed as being in India in 1944 on the attached list.
 
Also there is a Krystyna M Zawadzka listed as marrying a Mr Teofil Rogalski in Birmingham, UK in 1957 http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl . Could this be the same Krystyna?
 
Krystyna and Teofil Rogalski are listed on www.192.com as living in Birmingham postcode B24, and address and phone number are listed in BT phone book www.bt.com  (I'm not including the details on this public forum, but can send the details to you direct).
 
Good luck
 
 
Janusz
UK
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Frances
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 9:54 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland

 


Hello Rafal

A warm welcome to the group.
Please refer to message 28714 - it contains a list of those orphans from Siberia/Kazakhstan who spent time in the Polish refugee camp in Tengeru, Tanganyika (now Tanzania) who were sent to Canada.  There is a Krystyna Zawadzka on this list, which may be your aunt.

There is a message board on the link below, it may be helpful.

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.africa.kenya.general/29.2.2.1/mb.ashx

Good luck with your search

Frances
 


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Helen Bitner wrote:
>
> Dear Group
> Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).
>
> Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.
>
> Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.
>
> Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
> My very best wishes for success in your researches
> Kind regards
> Helen Bitner
> Colchester
> UK
>


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#54182 From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
Date: Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: Red Cross List???
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You will find the list of evacuees from the USSR at the following link: 
 

(WARNING – it is an extremely large file and may take a LONG time to open – the slower your internet connection, the longer it will take.  The best way to find a particular name is to save the file to your computer and open it locally).

This is not to be confused with the Red Cross List which is at the following link:

http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942/red-cross-list-of-polish-refugees-sent-to-africa-and-beyond/1_frontpage/

Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada

Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 4:01 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Red Cross List???
 

Whatever happened to the ( Red Cross??) passenger list from USSR to Pahlevi that Kresy site used to have? Where can it be found ?
 
hania
 


#54183 From: Stefan Wisniowski <stefan.wisniowski@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:35 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Oops my spellcheck must have changed "Poles" from India to "Pikes" ??? How embarrassing. 

Meanwhile thanks to Jan, Frances, Mark, Stan, Lenarda and other members who have already contributed important leads. This is our group at its best! 

Best regards
Stefan Wisniowski
Sydney Australia 

On 10/01/2013, at 8:26, Stefan Wisniowski <stefan.wisniowski@...> wrote:

Did I read correctly born in 1937?   That is consistent is it not? Might be a good chance it is the same person.

Rafal can you share the Red Cross info?

UK members can you check for Zawadzki families? Do the Pikes from India know her?

Best regards
Stefan Wisniowski
Sydney Australia 

On 10/01/2013, at 1:50, Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...> wrote:

Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK 

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#54184 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:42 am
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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It is all good, Happy New Year Stefan, thanks for the kind words.  

We need a giggle here and there as the stuff we research can be quite emotional and heavy on the heart.

Do not worry, we will never lose our identity of being Polish and the children of  Kresy heros’.

Warmest wishes

Lenarda, Australia  

 

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Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland

 

 

Oops my spellcheck must have changed "Poles" from India to "Pikes" ??? How embarrassing. 

 

Meanwhile thanks to Jan, Frances, Mark, Stan, Lenarda and other members who have already contributed important leads. This is our group at its best! 

Best regards

Stefan Wisniowski

Sydney Australia 


On 10/01/2013, at 8:26, Stefan Wisniowski <stefan.wisniowski@...> wrote:

Did I read correctly born in 1937?   That is consistent is it not? Might be a good chance it is the same person.

 

Rafal can you share the Red Cross info?

 

UK members can you check for Zawadzki families? Do the Pikes from India know her?

Best regards

Stefan Wisniowski

Sydney Australia 


On 10/01/2013, at 1:50, Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...> wrote:

Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK 

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#54185 From: "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:24 am
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
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Yes understand Mark. There is so little information on the 7,000 Ukraine and
Belarus List victims versus the 3 special camps. I think that the NKVD archives
were destroyed or have been buried by the Soviets. If it is any small
consolation Minister Kunert at the Bykownia ceremony made a very moving speech
(and was himself moved close to tears) saying that Poland has waited 70 years to
bury these vicitms and that they had never been forgotten.

I too would like to know more so will just keep plugging away.

This is your grandfather?

http://www.katedrapolowa.pl/tabliczka.php?imie1=Franciszek&nazwisko=TURKIEWICZ&s\
topien=przodownik&id=17541&num=7

But most importantly you have not forgotten him. I hope they are looking down on
us and know that.

Best regards,
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney Australia

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
>
> Thanks Anna. You have always shared good info with me.
> I am a hammerhead. My grandfather was a sergeant of State Police, head of
criminal investigations in Przemysl. I dont know wht that means in terms of
officer or civilian status.
> I thought I closed the file with Bykownia but now I am skeptical again. I only
want to travel his fate for him so someone noticed his horror and sacrifice.
Right now, he seems unknown and I hate it. Police Family Assoc want to know
nothing about him, UKR victims have little documentation.
> I cant find anything except that he was killed. Just venting, thanks.
>
> Mark T.
> Canada
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: annapacewicz
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:35:11 PM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley
report
>
>
>  
>
> Hi Mark, I know from my grandfather's file that he was deported from the
prison in Rowne on the 28th March straight to Kiev. The general information I
have is:
>
> It has been harder to piece together the fate of the 7,305 executed prisoners
who were held in prisons created by the NKVD in various places in Eastern
Poland, such as Pinsk, Luck, Rowno, Lwow : 3,435 prisoners from prisons in
so-called "Western Ukraine" were deported to prisons in Kiev, Kharkov and
Kherson. There they were executed and buried in a mass grave in Bykownia, near
Kiev. Finally 3,870 prisoners from prisons in the so-called Western Belorus were
deported to prisons in Minsk. Their bodies have never been found.
>
> Separate to that, there were 6,000 or so policemen included in the POW's of
the 3 special camps. They were held in Ostashkov camp . The 6,291 prisoners here
were largely policemen, gendarmes and KOPs. These prisoners from Ostashkov camp
were executed in the basement of Kalinin prison, their bodies buried in trenches
in Mednoye, near Tver.
>
> However, in addition there were thousands of policemen who were held as
"civilian prisoners" in "Western Ukraine" and "Western Belarus" (Soviet terms
for Borderlands) prisons and deported to prisons in Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson in
addition to Minsk. i.e. My grandfather. I also met the relatives of several
policemen when I went to the Bykownia ceremony in Sept. I don't know how many
policemen were part of this 7,000 or so of the Ukraine and Belarus list.
>
> I also don't know why the 6,000 or so policemen at Ostashkov were held at that
special camp as "POWs" versus the thousands of policemen from the civilian
prisons of "Western Ukraine" and "Western Belarus". Perhaps it was a matter of
rank. My own grandfather was a Constable. Perhaps only the Officers were held as
POWs at Ostashkov. But anyway, I'm still not sure how that would account for the
difference between "POW" and "civilian prisoner".
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Anna Pacewicz
> Sydney
>
> --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
> >
> > Yes right, Anna.
> > From reading that, I surmised that our policemen could have been in the
Ostashkow camp and when the disposition was being organized they were scheduled
and taken to the jail in Kiev. Being in the overall group marked for death, they
could have been routed to any of the murder sites.
> >
> > Mark T.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: annapacewicz
> > To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:28:33 PM
> > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley
report
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > O'Malleys report notes that around 180,000 Poles were taken prisoner by the
Soviets after Sept 1939 and the 15,000 Officers of "Katyn" include around 6,000
Police. O'Malley says that the report focuses on the Army officers only because
of "the need of officers to command the Polish troops recruited in Russia". He
goes onto say that he does not suppose that the police/civilians/other POWs had
a fate any different to the Officers.
> >
> > In 1943 the Germans only uncovered the Katyn forest grave containing the
approximately 4,400 bodies of Army Officers from the special camp at Kozelsk. At
that point the other "Katyn" burial sites had not been uncovered.
> >
> > It was only in 1990 with Gorbachev's disclosure that the Ukraine and Belarus
list "civilian" prisoners were concretely linked to "Katyn" due to the order of
the 5th March from the Politburo and the continual numerical listing from victim
1 to 21,857.
> >
> > Although the world knew about Katyn from 1943 I think that perhaps it was
assumed that the victims were only army officers? Growing up, I only knew that
my grandfather had been a policeman, had been arrested and deported by the
Soviets and then "disappeared". It was not until 1990 and the disclosure of the
Katyn Ukraine List that we actually knew that he had been killed in the Katyn
massacres.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Anna Pacewicz
> > Sydney
> >
> > --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
> > >
> > > ...especially hard to read if one of the men could have been
yours.
> > > The horror of the guys who did not have their coats pulled over
their heads and looked into the pit makes my blood boil.
> > > Do you think it odd that our guys from list 4 and 5 do not
seem to be missed at the time of these reports? Do you think they may actually
have been at one of the big 3 camps at some time and moved to their previously
undiscovered destination?
> > > I dont think we will ever find out much detail since those witnesses are
probably all gone.
> > >  
> > >
> > > Mark T.
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: annapacewicz
> > > To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:00:01 PM
> > > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley
report
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Thank you Mark. O'Malley's report is a must read. Churchill's opening
words to Roosevelt say it all:
> > >
> > > "(this is)a grim, well-written story, but perhaps a little too
well-written."
> > >
> > > And O'Malley's closing words are haunting:
> > >
> > > "and so, lf the facts ·aoout the Katyn massacre turn out to be as
most of us incline to think, shall we vindicate the spirit of these brave
unlucky men and justify the living to the dead. ·
> > > I have, &c. .
> > > OWEN O'MALLEY"
> > >
> > > By the way, Paul Allen's book "Katyn" gives a very good account of the
efforts to suppress Katyn and the documentation in the US.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Anna Pacewicz
> > > Sydney
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Letter from Winston to Roosevelt
> > > >
> > > > Mark T.
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >           WSC_to_FDR_8-13-43ChurchilltoRoosevelt.pdf
> > > > 18 MB
> > > >           Your file(s) will expire in 30 days
> > > >    
> > > > Powered by YouSendIt - The simple way to send large files within Yahoo!
Mail. Try it!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

#54186 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:34 am
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
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Anna, I think my grandfather Mikolaj Chmielewski could be/was on that list.  According to Stan from Moscow, the Russian letter X or Polish letter Ch should be completed this year for Zhitomirski Oblast, year 1937 etc, But I will not hold my breath.  All I know are stories from immediate family and no other record of him ever existing on the face of this earth.  Doesn’t matter. I know who I am and where my family came from, this is important.

Warm regards,

Lenarda, Australia 

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Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report

 

 

Yes understand Mark. There is so little information on the 7,000 Ukraine and Belarus List victims versus the 3 special camps. I think that the NKVD archives were destroyed or have been buried by the Soviets. If it is any small consolation Minister Kunert at the Bykownia ceremony made a very moving speech (and was himself moved close to tears) saying that Poland has waited 70 years to bury these vicitms and that they had never been forgotten.

I too would like to know more so will just keep plugging away.

This is your grandfather?

http://www.katedrapolowa.pl/tabliczka.php?imie1=Franciszek&nazwisko=TURKIEWICZ&stopien=przodownik&id=17541&num=7

But most importantly you have not forgotten him. I hope they are looking down on us and know that.

Best regards,
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney Australia

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
>
> Thanks Anna. You have always shared good info with me.
> I am a hammerhead. My grandfather was a sergeant of State Police, head of criminal investigations in Przemysl. I dont know wht that means in terms of officer or civilian status.
> I thought I closed the file with Bykownia but now I am skeptical again. I only want to travel his fate for him so someone noticed his horror and sacrifice. Right now, he seems unknown and I hate it. Police Family Assoc want to know nothing about him, UKR victims have little documentation.
> I cant find anything except that he was killed. Just venting, thanks.
>
> Mark T.
> Canada
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: annapacewicz
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:35:11 PM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
>
>
>  
>
> Hi Mark, I know from my grandfather's file that he was deported from the prison in Rowne on the 28th March straight to Kiev. The general information I have is:
>
> It has been harder to piece together the fate of the 7,305 executed prisoners who were held in prisons created by the NKVD in various places in Eastern Poland, such as Pinsk, Luck, Rowno, Lwow : 3,435 prisoners from prisons in so-called "Western Ukraine" were deported to prisons in Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson. There they were executed and buried in a mass grave in Bykownia, near Kiev. Finally 3,870 prisoners from prisons in the so-called Western Belorus were deported to prisons in Minsk. Their bodies have never been found.
>
> Separate to that, there were 6,000 or so policemen included in the POW's of the 3 special camps. They were held in Ostashkov camp . The 6,291 prisoners here were largely policemen, gendarmes and KOPs. These prisoners from Ostashkov camp were executed in the basement of Kalinin prison, their bodies buried in trenches in Mednoye, near Tver.
>
> However, in addition there were thousands of policemen who were held as "civilian prisoners" in "Western Ukraine" and "Western Belarus" (Soviet terms for Borderlands) prisons and deported to prisons in Kiev, Kharkov and Kherson in addition to Minsk. i.e. My grandfather. I also met the relatives of several policemen when I went to the Bykownia ceremony in Sept. I don't know how many policemen were part of this 7,000 or so of the Ukraine and Belarus list.
>
> I also don't know why the 6,000 or so policemen at Ostashkov were held at that special camp as "POWs" versus the thousands of policemen from the civilian prisons of "Western Ukraine" and "Western Belarus". Perhaps it was a matter of rank. My own grandfather was a Constable. Perhaps only the Officers were held as POWs at Ostashkov. But anyway, I'm still not sure how that would account for the difference between "POW" and "civilian prisoner".
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Anna Pacewicz
> Sydney
>
> --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
> >
> > Yes right, Anna.
> > From reading that, I surmised that our policemen could have been in the Ostashkow camp and when the disposition was being organized they were scheduled and taken to the jail in Kiev. Being in the overall group marked for death, they could have been routed to any of the murder sites.
> >
> > Mark T.
> > Canada
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: annapacewicz
> > To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:28:33 PM
> > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > O'Malleys report notes that around 180,000 Poles were taken prisoner by the Soviets after Sept 1939 and the 15,000 Officers of "Katyn" include around 6,000 Police. O'Malley says that the report focuses on the Army officers only because of "the need of officers to command the Polish troops recruited in Russia". He goes onto say that he does not suppose that the police/civilians/other POWs had a fate any different to the Officers.
> >
> > In 1943 the Germans only uncovered the Katyn forest grave containing the approximately 4,400 bodies of Army Officers from the special camp at Kozelsk. At that point the other "Katyn" burial sites had not been uncovered.
> >
> > It was only in 1990 with Gorbachev's disclosure that the Ukraine and Belarus list "civilian" prisoners were concretely linked to "Katyn" due to the order of the 5th March from the Politburo and the continual numerical listing from victim 1 to 21,857.
> >
> > Although the world knew about Katyn from 1943 I think that perhaps it was assumed that the victims were only army officers? Growing up, I only knew that my grandfather had been a policeman, had been arrested and deported by the Soviets and then "disappeared". It was not until 1990 and the disclosure of the Katyn Ukraine List that we actually knew that he had been killed in the Katyn massacres.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Anna Pacewicz
> > Sydney
> >
> > --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
> > >
> > > ...especially hard to read if one of the men could have been yours.
> > > The horror of the guys who did not have their coats pulled over their heads and looked into the pit makes my blood boil.
> > > Do you think it odd that our guys from list 4 and 5 do not seem to be missed at the time of these reports? Do you think they may actually have been at one of the big 3 camps at some time and moved to their previously undiscovered destination?
> > > I dont think we will ever find out much detail since those witnesses are probably all gone.
> > >  
> > >
> > > Mark T.
> > > Canada
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: annapacewicz
> > > To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:00:01 PM
> > > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: US files - Winston to FDR - Omalley report
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Thank you Mark. O'Malley's report is a must read. Churchill's opening words to Roosevelt say it all:
> > >
> > > "(this is)a grim, well-written story, but perhaps a little too well-written."
> > >
> > > And O'Malley's closing words are haunting:
> > >
> > > "and so, lf the facts ·aoout the Katyn massacre turn out to be as most of us incline to think, shall we vindicate the spirit of these brave unlucky men and justify the living to the dead. ·
> > > I have, &c. .
> > > OWEN O'MALLEY"
> > >
> > > By the way, Paul Allen's book "Katyn" gives a very good account of the efforts to suppress Katyn and the documentation in the US.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Anna Pacewicz
> > > Sydney
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Mark wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Letter from Winston to Roosevelt
> > > >
> > > > Mark T.
> > > > Canada
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WSC_to_FDR_8-13-43ChurchilltoRoosevelt.pdf
> > > > 18 MB
> > > > Your file(s) will expire in 30 days
> > > >  
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#54187 From: Roger Watkins <rogerwatkins@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:34 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
watkinsroger10
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There was a Stanislaw Zawadzki, szer, who was an osadnik in Tajkury, Wolyn, allocated Plot 17 there.  I understand he died just prior to WW2, but he had sons, I believe, who may have been exiled to Wologda on 10 Feb 1940 along with the other osadniks from Tajkury.  Many of them ended up in Uzbekistan.  He could be related to this family.
 
Roger Watkins/Sobierajski
NZ
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:50 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland

 

Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK


#54188 From: Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:36 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Red Cross List???
kazameena
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Too complicated.....is this ( 2nd Link) the same as the old file that used to be  on Kresy that was in alphabetical order?
 
hania

From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 3:25:05 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Red Cross List???
 
You will find the list of evacuees from the USSR at the following link: 
 
(WARNING – it is an extremely large file and may take a LONG time to open – the slower your internet connection, the longer it will take.  The best way to find a particular name is to save the file to your computer and open it locally).
This is not to be confused with the Red Cross List which is at the following link:
Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 4:01 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Red Cross List???
 
Whatever happened to the ( Red Cross??) passenger list from USSR to Pahlevi that Kresy site used to have? Where can it be found ?
 
hania
 

#54189 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:05 am
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland
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Roger, see the Wolyn list I provided, he is shown against Tajkury.

Lenarda, Australia

 

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Watkins
Sent: Thursday, 10 January, 2013 2:34 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland

 

 

There was a Stanislaw Zawadzki, szer, who was an osadnik in Tajkury, Wolyn, allocated Plot 17 there.  I understand he died just prior to WW2, but he had sons, I believe, who may have been exiled to Wologda on 10 Feb 1940 along with the other osadniks from Tajkury.  Many of them ended up in Uzbekistan.  He could be related to this family.

 

Roger Watkins/Sobierajski

NZ

 

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:50 AM

Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Rafal Zawadzki from Lbiska, Poland

 

 

Dear Group
Please welcome new member Rafal who is researching for his aunt Krystyna Zawadzka born in Kovel (former Poland, now Ukraine) on 15th of Feb 1937. She was a daughter of Stefan and Rozalia. Stefan was a brother of Rafal's grandfather and he was a State Policeman, arrested by the Soviet NKWD in Sept 1939, then imprisoned in Ostaschkov lager and finally murdered at the end of April 1940 in Tver (USSR). His body is buried in a massive grave together with more than 6,000 other bodies of Polish policemen, prison guards, clerks etc. in Miednoye (now Russia).

Rafal's family know about Stefan's fate due to some documents released by Russia some years ago, but they don't have any information about his wife Rozalia and their daughter Krystyna, with whom the contact was broken about 1939/1940. It was thought, they were taken to Siberia like other members of policemen's families and probably lost there.

Two days ago Rafal received from the Polish Red Cross information that a Krystyna Zawadzka born 1937, a Polish orphan, arrived in Canada in 1949. and eventually settled in the United Kingdom. Rafal thinks this is perhaps another Krystyna Zawadzka because she was born in 1937? However if there is any probability that she is their family member who was lost 70 years ago the Zawadzki family would be overjoyed.

Rafal, we do have a Krystyna Zawadzka on our Wall Of Names in the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum but there is little information other than she was a refugee in India and born in 1937.
My very best wishes for success in your researches
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK


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