Lenarda

This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus.  I
have extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a the
spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from that part
of the world.
It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between those
who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years the Soviet
domination of Eastern Europe

I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
Poland, as some Russians still do.  Sadly many languages are now shadow of their
former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind of Polish
almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have arrived
since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead and the
younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that matter Polish
history.

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Wed 12/12/2012 23:20
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do not
speak Russian?

Barry, I personally find this insulting as I feel that Russian and Czech,
being Slavic languages are but a shadow on the original  and now existent
Polish people and their language.  We were the teachers of culture and
education throughout Europe.

Lenarda,

Sydney, Australia

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com; Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poland and Borderlands from 10 - 15th
Century until WWII.





Dear Each

I have just been explaining to my new colleagues how important it was in
training school to pronounce our Russian correctly. My tutor told me that if
we incorrectly pronounced words or placed the stresses incorrectly that we
would be mistaken for Poles or Czechs and not listened to.

Does anyone have any experiences that support this view?

Wah Geordies Man!

Barry




_,_._,___

Dear Barry,

I personally have no animosity towards the Russian people and respect them
as they respect us and every other race on this earth, but I do not believe
that any nationality should be put down and belittled.  But what happened
before WWII and after as a direct result of Soviet Repression/Oppression.
This I will never forget or forgive, as so many innocents suffered, not only
the Polish People but many others from different countries. My immediate
family suffered under the hands of the Soviets, so I can comment with all
truth on this subject.

I live in Australia and as far as swearing goes, this is common to all
nationalities, including persons of English decent.  Blame the television
and movies which made it fashionable.

My mothers is 88 years old, very much Polish Blood and a survivor and
veteran of WWII and believe me, the younger generation do have interest in
what their families endured and there is a rebirth of Polish History, now
especially after Poland regained its freedom and shed the puppet government,
but even before this the exiles outside of Poland always had interest and
pride in their heritage.  I do not think that you understand the Polish
Spirit?

You are sending posts through KS group and do not see this, that the entire
reason KS Group exists is because of the interest of the younger generation.
Please take off your blindfold and open your eyes or perhaps you are looking
in the wrong places.

I ask you, as you have access to KS Group and records, that you go back and
read all the posts and see how real and genuine is the interest of veterans,
first generation, second generation and others forthcoming, before you make
such open comments. It appears that your education is lacking.

My apologies for being so blunt, but truly your journey of learning has only
begun and I cannot and will not comment any further as this is a research
you personally must undertake.  Good luck.

Lenarda,
Sydney, Australia




-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 7:54 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
because do not speak Russian?

Lenarda

This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus.  I
have extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a
the spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from
that part of the world.
It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between
those who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years
the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe

I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
Poland, as some Russians still do.  Sadly many languages are now shadow of
their former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind
of Polish almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have
arrived since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead
and the younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that
matter Polish history.

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Wed 12/12/2012 23:20
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?

Barry, I personally find this insulting as I feel that Russian and Czech,
being Slavic languages are but a shadow on the original  and now existent
Polish people and their language.  We were the teachers of culture and
education throughout Europe.

Lenarda,

Sydney, Australia

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com; Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poland and Borderlands from 10 - 15th
Century until WWII.





Dear Each

I have just been explaining to my new colleagues how important it was in
training school to pronounce our Russian correctly. My tutor told me that if
we incorrectly pronounced words or placed the stresses incorrectly that we
would be mistaken for Poles or Czechs and not listened to.

Does anyone have any experiences that support this view?

Wah Geordies Man!

Barry




_,_._,___

Thank you all for clearing this up. I think I now understand--pupchia is
a diminutive of a diminutive! -- Dan Ford US

On 12/12/2012 3:23 PM, Barbara M. wrote:
>
> Hi Dan.
> The word os "pupa " the oo sound of u is short in Polish. No long
> vowels. One diminutive is pupka - not an explosive "K", but it is
> pronounced. Another diminutive which woiuld more appropriately used fo
> a child is pupcia pronounced as pupchia. Short u and very soft i.
> Hope this helps.
> Basia (UK)
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* LenardaSzymczak <mailto:szymczak01@...>
>     *To:* Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:50 PM
>     *Subject:* RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: pupka
>
>     No, said same as in English, but poopka. But poocha would be a
>     more nice way of saying it, a more polite refined way. Also
>     depends on which dialect or village, as different families have
>     their own quirky words.
>
>     Lenarda, Australia
>
>     *From:*Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
>     [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *godanford
>     *Sent:* Thursday, 13 December, 2012 4:09 AM
>     *To:* Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>     *Subject:* [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: pupka
>
>     I really don't have a one-track mind, but I do have another
>     question on this particular topic. I've been told that the K in
>     pupka is soft, so that it sounds more like poop-cha or even
>     poop-sha when spoken. Is that correct? Thanks - Dan Ford US
>
>     --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>, Eva Dryanski
>     <ebard55@... <mailto:ebard55@...>> wrote:
>     >
>     > I agree with Ed, Beata and Danuta. I've heard the term many
>     times. I have a much younger sister. The "d" word was considered
>     coarse.
>
>

Dear Lenarda

I do actually have a clear understanding of Polish culture and spirit.  I have
been heavily involved in the Polish community in GB, especially the SPK and have
taught Polish students who grew up since the end of communism.  Over the years,
even before my interest in Kresy-Siberia I have helped to locate Polish
ex-servicemen and did research for their families.  My involvement with
Kresy-Siberia actually came out of some research I was doing for one of your
members, who is in fact a Russian citizen.  I think you have misunderstood my
position on a number of issues.  I am a historical researcher  with a special
interest in the 2nd World War and its aftermath and I have spent many years
investigating the tragedies that war and tyranny bring to ordinary people.  I
fully understand what communist tyranny was all about having spent time in
Soviet bloc countries and the armed camp that was central Europe for 40 years
after the war ended.

I fully agree that the oppression should never be forgotten, to forget history
invites the possibility of reliving it.  I have no animosity to any nationality
and recognise that the Russian people themselves bore the brunt of Soviet
oppression more than most and for much longer. Tyranny is never the product of a
'people', but of evil people within them.  My eyes are fully open and pointed
most certainly in the right direction, during the Soviet occupation of Eastern
Europe after WW2 I worked for an educational trust delivering lectures on the
evil and real danger of Soviet communism. I was one of the millions that loudly
cheered when it collapsed.

I continue to work on behalf of Polish Ex-servicemen, sadly these days trying to
protect their interests against fellow Poles who are undermining the SPK for
their own personal and financial interests.  Believe me my eyes are very much
open.  I hope that is sufficient to settle this misunderstanding.  It was not my
intention for this to become an argument.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Thu 13/12/2012 09:28
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?

Dear Barry,

I personally have no animosity towards the Russian people and respect them
as they respect us and every other race on this earth, but I do not believe
that any nationality should be put down and belittled.  But what happened
before WWII and after as a direct result of Soviet Repression/Oppression.
This I will never forget or forgive, as so many innocents suffered, not only
the Polish People but many others from different countries. My immediate
family suffered under the hands of the Soviets, so I can comment with all
truth on this subject.

I live in Australia and as far as swearing goes, this is common to all
nationalities, including persons of English decent.  Blame the television
and movies which made it fashionable.

My mothers is 88 years old, very much Polish Blood and a survivor and
veteran of WWII and believe me, the younger generation do have interest in
what their families endured and there is a rebirth of Polish History, now
especially after Poland regained its freedom and shed the puppet government,
but even before this the exiles outside of Poland always had interest and
pride in their heritage.  I do not think that you understand the Polish
Spirit?

You are sending posts through KS group and do not see this, that the entire
reason KS Group exists is because of the interest of the younger generation.
Please take off your blindfold and open your eyes or perhaps you are looking
in the wrong places.

I ask you, as you have access to KS Group and records, that you go back and
read all the posts and see how real and genuine is the interest of veterans,
first generation, second generation and others forthcoming, before you make
such open comments. It appears that your education is lacking.

My apologies for being so blunt, but truly your journey of learning has only
begun and I cannot and will not comment any further as this is a research
you personally must undertake.  Good luck.

Lenarda,
Sydney, Australia




-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 7:54 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
because do not speak Russian?

Lenarda

This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus.  I
have extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a
the spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from
that part of the world.
It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between
those who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years
the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe

I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
Poland, as some Russians still do.  Sadly many languages are now shadow of
their former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind
of Polish almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have
arrived since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead
and the younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that
matter Polish history.

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Wed 12/12/2012 23:20
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?

Barry, I personally find this insulting as I feel that Russian and Czech,
being Slavic languages are but a shadow on the original  and now existent
Polish people and their language.  We were the teachers of culture and
education throughout Europe.

Lenarda,

Sydney, Australia

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com; Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poland and Borderlands from 10 - 15th
Century until WWII.





Dear Each

I have just been explaining to my new colleagues how important it was in
training school to pronounce our Russian correctly. My tutor told me that if
we incorrectly pronounced words or placed the stresses incorrectly that we
would be mistaken for Poles or Czechs and not listened to.

Does anyone have any experiences that support this view?

Wah Geordies Man!

Barry




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Dear Stan

I agree with you absolutely about politics!  Someone once said that the Human
race is 'work in progress' and animosity between people based on differences in
culture will take many more generations to defeat.  You are quite right that
language is the essence of any culture and all despots and tyrants try to
suppress it.  The British did this in many of the countries it invaded and
oppressed and all nationalities have at some time in their history attacked
cultures through their language.  Even within nationalities and cultural groups
language is used to belittle and oppress sub-groups within them.  I have often
heard elderly Polish people decry the language spoken by younger generations and
the younger generations laugh at what they think is an antiquated form of the
language spoken by their elderly fellow countrymen who have been in England
nearly 70 years.

England has a very large number of Polish people living and working here and
some of the older people who came here during WW2 often refer to them in
insulting terms.  I have even heard one elderly Polish man telling young Polish
people to clear off back to Poland.

I am an optimist however,  We will all live in harmony and in my home town when
walking around the streets it is common to hear Polish and Russian being spoken
along with many other languages.  I think this is wonderful and one day this
foolish animosity based on nationality will be over.

I am continuing to learn Russian (very slowly) To speak another language is to
possess another soul as they say!

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Stanislaw Zwierzynski
Sent: Thu 13/12/2012 10:09
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?




Dear Barry!

Topic you raised is very interesting, but dangerous. Poor relations between
Poland and Russia, unfortunately, reflected on�cultural and philological
cooperation.

For example, Moscow is almost impossible to learn Polish language - no courses.
Those Polish language courses that exist at the ?mbassy - this is blasphemy.
There are not taught, and bullied.

Those who read these lines,�can not believe me. But here's my little story.

5-7 years ago, when was Poland President russophobe Kaczynski, my 15 year old
daughter, realizing his Polish roots and having language skills (she was a good
student in a specialized English school and knows�English language), decided to
go to�Polish language courses at the Polish Embassy in Moscow.

Hardly wrote there, and what she saw it there.
All those, indiscriminately in age, prior knowledge, abilities, etc. crashed
(batch) into groups. She was in�group of people aged between 15 and 60 years,
someone wanted to learn to say, someone has been focused on�business, someone
did Polish Charter, etc. - they all had a purpose.
Then�began to teach in group, based on the best. Those who do not have time to
understand, teacher call unable, even bullied, what are Russian (with Polish
roots) so stupid. For example, saying that all right Poles already live in
Poland (Lenarda, you're not real in terms of their point of view).
It was even said, -�why do you go on the course?!?!

And that people, I'm sorry, imbeciles, worked at the Embassy. From this point of
view, all�people who want to learn�Russian language - foreign or Russian spies.

In general, those 4 months that passed daughter Christina on those courses,
persuaded her to think that living in Poland are enemies of Russian, or�deep
detractors. She said that she would never learn Polish,�it told her nasty.
I only hope that after some years hot words will be forgotten and she will ever
do it what I could not.

Now you understand why (in particular), I hate politics. It kills not only�soul,
but also a living language. Without language there is no country.

Stan from M. From: Barry Turner (Journalism) <bturner@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?

�
Lenarda

This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus. I have
extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a the
spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from that part
of the world.
It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between those
who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years the Soviet
domination of Eastern Europe

I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
Poland, as some Russians still do. Sadly many languages are now shadow of their
former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind of Polish
almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have arrived
since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead and the
younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that matter Polish
history.

Barry


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Dear Barry,

Eyes open, hands shaken, lets progress and focus on more important issues.
Lenarda,
Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 9:22 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Misunderstanding

Dear Lenarda

I do actually have a clear understanding of Polish culture and spirit.  I
have been heavily involved in the Polish community in GB, especially the SPK
and have taught Polish students who grew up since the end of communism.
Over the years, even before my interest in Kresy-Siberia I have helped to
locate Polish ex-servicemen and did research for their families.  My
involvement with Kresy-Siberia actually came out of some research I was
doing for one of your members, who is in fact a Russian citizen.  I think
you have misunderstood my position on a number of issues.  I am a historical
researcher  with a special interest in the 2nd World War and its aftermath
and I have spent many years investigating the tragedies that war and tyranny
bring to ordinary people.  I fully understand what communist tyranny was all
about having spent time in Soviet bloc countries and the armed camp that was
central Europe for 40 years after the war ended.

I fully agree that the oppression should never be forgotten, to forget
history invites the possibility of reliving it.  I have no animosity to any
nationality and recognise that the Russian people themselves bore the brunt
of Soviet oppression more than most and for much longer. Tyranny is never
the product of a 'people', but of evil people within them.  My eyes are
fully open and pointed most certainly in the right direction, during the
Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe after WW2 I worked for an educational
trust delivering lectures on the evil and real danger of Soviet communism. I
was one of the millions that loudly cheered when it collapsed.

I continue to work on behalf of Polish Ex-servicemen, sadly these days
trying to protect their interests against fellow Poles who are undermining
the SPK for their own personal and financial interests.  Believe me my eyes
are very much open.  I hope that is sufficient to settle this
misunderstanding.  It was not my intention for this to become an argument.

Barry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Thu 13/12/2012 09:28
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
because do not speak Russian?

Dear Barry,

I personally have no animosity towards the Russian people and respect them
as they respect us and every other race on this earth, but I do not believe
that any nationality should be put down and belittled.  But what happened
before WWII and after as a direct result of Soviet Repression/Oppression.
This I will never forget or forgive, as so many innocents suffered, not only
the Polish People but many others from different countries. My immediate
family suffered under the hands of the Soviets, so I can comment with all
truth on this subject.

I live in Australia and as far as swearing goes, this is common to all
nationalities, including persons of English decent.  Blame the television
and movies which made it fashionable.

My mothers is 88 years old, very much Polish Blood and a survivor and
veteran of WWII and believe me, the younger generation do have interest in
what their families endured and there is a rebirth of Polish History, now
especially after Poland regained its freedom and shed the puppet government,
but even before this the exiles outside of Poland always had interest and
pride in their heritage.  I do not think that you understand the Polish
Spirit?

You are sending posts through KS group and do not see this, that the entire
reason KS Group exists is because of the interest of the younger generation.
Please take off your blindfold and open your eyes or perhaps you are looking
in the wrong places.

I ask you, as you have access to KS Group and records, that you go back and
read all the posts and see how real and genuine is the interest of veterans,
first generation, second generation and others forthcoming, before you make
such open comments. It appears that your education is lacking.

My apologies for being so blunt, but truly your journey of learning has only
begun and I cannot and will not comment any further as this is a research
you personally must undertake.  Good luck.

Lenarda,
Sydney, Australia




-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 7:54 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
because do not speak Russian?

Lenarda

This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus.  I
have extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a
the spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from
that part of the world.
It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between
those who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years
the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe

I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
Poland, as some Russians still do.  Sadly many languages are now shadow of
their former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind
of Polish almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have
arrived since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead
and the younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that
matter Polish history.

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Wed 12/12/2012 23:20
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?

Barry, I personally find this insulting as I feel that Russian and Czech,
being Slavic languages are but a shadow on the original  and now existent
Polish people and their language.  We were the teachers of culture and
education throughout Europe.

Lenarda,

Sydney, Australia

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 10:03 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com; Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poland and Borderlands from 10 - 15th
Century until WWII.





Dear Each

I have just been explaining to my new colleagues how important it was in
training school to pronounce our Russian correctly. My tutor told me that if
we incorrectly pronounced words or placed the stresses incorrectly that we
would be mistaken for Poles or Czechs and not listened to.

Does anyone have any experiences that support this view?

Wah Geordies Man!

Barry




_,_._,___



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Lenarda

I do believe that you respond to posts in our group in a 'knee jerk' way without
fully understanding where the writer is coming from.

If you had read earlier posts you would have known how much involvement Barry
has had in the Polish community in Britain and in Eastern Bloc countries. His
postings are to do with current language issues in Britain, where Poles are the
second largest migrant group, after Indians (according to today's Sydney Morning
Herald).

There is nothing wrong with being 'blunt'(your word) but I think sometimes you
are over-reacting and too defensive.

Frances
Australia




--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "LenardaSzymczak" <szymczak01@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Barry,
>
> I personally have no animosity towards the Russian people and respect them
> as they respect us and every other race on this earth, but I do not believe
> that any nationality should be put down and belittled.  But what happened
> before WWII and after as a direct result of Soviet Repression/Oppression.
> This I will never forget or forgive, as so many innocents suffered, not only
> the Polish People but many others from different countries. My immediate
> family suffered under the hands of the Soviets, so I can comment with all
> truth on this subject.
>
> I live in Australia and as far as swearing goes, this is common to all
> nationalities, including persons of English decent.  Blame the television
> and movies which made it fashionable.
>
> My mothers is 88 years old, very much Polish Blood and a survivor and
> veteran of WWII and believe me, the younger generation do have interest in
> what their families endured and there is a rebirth of Polish History, now
> especially after Poland regained its freedom and shed the puppet government,
> but even before this the exiles outside of Poland always had interest and
> pride in their heritage.  I do not think that you understand the Polish
> Spirit?
>
> You are sending posts through KS group and do not see this, that the entire
> reason KS Group exists is because of the interest of the younger generation.
> Please take off your blindfold and open your eyes or perhaps you are looking
> in the wrong places.
>
> I ask you, as you have access to KS Group and records, that you go back and
> read all the posts and see how real and genuine is the interest of veterans,
> first generation, second generation and others forthcoming, before you make
> such open comments. It appears that your education is lacking.
>
> My apologies for being so blunt, but truly your journey of learning has only
> begun and I cannot and will not comment any further as this is a research
> you personally must undertake.  Good luck.
>
> Lenarda,
> Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
> Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 7:54 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
> because do not speak Russian?
>
> Lenarda
>
> This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
> contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus.  I
> have extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a
> the spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from
> that part of the world.
> It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between
> those who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years
> the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe
>
> I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
> Poland, as some Russians still do.  Sadly many languages are now shadow of
> their former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind
> of Polish almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
> By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have
> arrived since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead
> and the younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that
> matter Polish history.
>
> Barry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
> Sent: Wed 12/12/2012 23:20
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
> not speak Russian?
>
> Barry, I personally find this insulting as I feel that Russian and Czech,
> being Slavic languages are but a shadow on the original  and now existent
> Polish people and their language.  We were the teachers of culture and
> education throughout Europe.
>
> Lenarda,
>
> Sydney, Australia
>
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
> Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 10:03 AM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com; Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poland and Borderlands from 10 - 15th
> Century until WWII.
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Each
>
> I have just been explaining to my new colleagues how important it was in
> training school to pronounce our Russian correctly. My tutor told me that if
> we incorrectly pronounced words or placed the stresses incorrectly that we
> would be mistaken for Poles or Czechs and not listened to.
>
> Does anyone have any experiences that support this view?
>
> Wah Geordies Man!
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>
> _,_._,___
>

Frances,

I agree with your, Barrys and Stans views and comments as I feel that some of
our members respond in a way they think 'that they know it all' forcing the
issues of their own as if it were 'the gospel truth'and not considering another
point of view. In my view the contributor can be from any country, but what is
important to me is what they contribute to our cause of research and
understanding. Some members seem to introduce political issues into a group
devoted to research in our history; that should not be as other forums are
avilable to discus such matters.
antoni530
(PS I am actually against stating openly where we are residing)



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Frances" <frncsgts@...> wrote:
>
> Lenarda
>
> I do believe that you respond to posts in our group in a 'knee jerk' way
without fully understanding where the writer is coming from.
>
> If you had read earlier posts you would have known how much involvement Barry
has had in the Polish community in Britain and in Eastern Bloc countries. His
postings are to do with current language issues in Britain, where Poles are the
second largest migrant group, after Indians (according to today's Sydney Morning
Herald).
>
> There is nothing wrong with being 'blunt'(your word) but I think sometimes you
are over-reacting and too defensive.
>
> Frances
> Australia
>
>
>
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "LenardaSzymczak" <szymczak01@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Barry,
> >
> > I personally have no animosity towards the Russian people and respect them
> > as they respect us and every other race on this earth, but I do not believe
> > that any nationality should be put down and belittled.  But what happened
> > before WWII and after as a direct result of Soviet Repression/Oppression.
> > This I will never forget or forgive, as so many innocents suffered, not only
> > the Polish People but many others from different countries. My immediate
> > family suffered under the hands of the Soviets, so I can comment with all
> > truth on this subject.
> >
> > I live in Australia and as far as swearing goes, this is common to all
> > nationalities, including persons of English decent.  Blame the television
> > and movies which made it fashionable.
> >
> > My mothers is 88 years old, very much Polish Blood and a survivor and
> > veteran of WWII and believe me, the younger generation do have interest in
> > what their families endured and there is a rebirth of Polish History, now
> > especially after Poland regained its freedom and shed the puppet government,
> > but even before this the exiles outside of Poland always had interest and
> > pride in their heritage.  I do not think that you understand the Polish
> > Spirit?
> >
> > You are sending posts through KS group and do not see this, that the entire
> > reason KS Group exists is because of the interest of the younger generation.
> > Please take off your blindfold and open your eyes or perhaps you are looking
> > in the wrong places.
> >
> > I ask you, as you have access to KS Group and records, that you go back and
> > read all the posts and see how real and genuine is the interest of veterans,
> > first generation, second generation and others forthcoming, before you make
> > such open comments. It appears that your education is lacking.
> >
> > My apologies for being so blunt, but truly your journey of learning has only
> > begun and I cannot and will not comment any further as this is a research
> > you personally must undertake.  Good luck.
> >
> > Lenarda,
> > Sydney, Australia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
> > Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 7:54 PM
> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
> > because do not speak Russian?
> >
> > Lenarda
> >
> > This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
> > contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus.  I
> > have extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a
> > the spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from
> > that part of the world.
> > It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between
> > those who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years
> > the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe
> >
> > I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
> > Poland, as some Russians still do.  Sadly many languages are now shadow of
> > their former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind
> > of Polish almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
> > By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have
> > arrived since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead
> > and the younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that
> > matter Polish history.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
> > Sent: Wed 12/12/2012 23:20
> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
> > not speak Russian?
> >
> > Barry, I personally find this insulting as I feel that Russian and Czech,
> > being Slavic languages are but a shadow on the original  and now existent
> > Polish people and their language.  We were the teachers of culture and
> > education throughout Europe.
> >
> > Lenarda,
> >
> > Sydney, Australia
> >
> > From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
> > Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 10:03 AM
> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com; Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poland and Borderlands from 10 - 15th
> > Century until WWII.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Each
> >
> > I have just been explaining to my new colleagues how important it was in
> > training school to pronounce our Russian correctly. My tutor told me that if
> > we incorrectly pronounced words or placed the stresses incorrectly that we
> > would be mistaken for Poles or Czechs and not listened to.
> >
> > Does anyone have any experiences that support this view?
> >
> > Wah Geordies Man!
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _,_._,___
> >
>

It would be rather surprising if indeed much was taught about Poland's
changing geography and ethnicity in 1945. The Soviet Union imploded just
over thirty years ago, so only the very youngest teachers have grown up
in post-Soviet Poland, and even they were taught by those whose entire
professional careers were lived under Communism.

The Poland of 1939 had all but ceased to exist by 1945. The Jews were
almost entirely gone--90 percent is the conventional figure for those
who died or fled. Another three million Poles are said to have died
during the war. The loss of the eastern half of the country was
accompanied by the effective loss of Polish citizens of Belarussian and
Ukrainian ethnicity, and ethnic cleansing in the western did the same
for the Volksdeutsch. Add to that the scattering of Poles throughout the
world, and altogether something like a half or two-fifths of the 1939
population was gone six years later.

Note that it was HItler who got the rap of being the ethnic cleanser,
but it was Stalin who actually made it happen. He took a diverse country
and made it a homogeneous one, and for good measure he moved it 135
miles away from Moscow and toward Berlin.

Added to all that--the world has changed since 1945! The United States
was probably least changed by the war of all the major belligerents, but
the US of 2012 would be incomprehensible to the citizens of 1945. We
notice it less because it happened all around us, like the frog in the
kettle of hot water. The exiled Poles have to come to grips with a
country that did all its changing while they were absent from it, so it
must seem much more radical.

When I was in London two years ago, I was struck when I visited the
Sikorski museum and the Polish Hearth club at how differently the new
immigrant Poles (the secretary at the museum, the bartender at the club)
spoke the language. To me, it sounded as if Italians had learned to
speak Polish--it was a much more lively language than I heard the London
Poles speak, and much more in the way of facial and bodily expression. I
don't think it was just a matter of age, either, since I did have a
chance to listen to some UK-born Poles speak the language.

-- Dan Ford US
On 12/13/2012 12:35 PM, Antoni Kazimierski wrote:
>
> Dear Barry,
> I wanted to mention of some experiences here in UK when meeting Polish
> people of modern generation who arrived here within the last few
> years; whereas I am here since March 1945 and at the age of 84plus
> have enjoyed my stay and mixed with the English community.
> I am surprised sometimes that on a number of occasions I could not
> understand why youngsters do not really know much about Kresy as we
> know them; it seems they are so involved with their problems and
> listening to an old stager like me, whose Polish language is fading,
> is quite an ordeal to them; in a similar way to perhaps in our
> conversation in brocken Russian, as we learnt it so long ago while at
> a posiolek school. As it happens I really enjoy reading correspondence
> from Stan, who writes well, but as I do not regularly converse in both
> these languages, both the vocabulary and accent just fade away. I am
> sure this is so with many who came from Kresy; I know at home and
> school we spoke Polish, but I also spoke Belarussian with my friends
> in the village where we met post-school.
> Now I do a fair amount of translation for our KS members.
> I really wonder if in the present-day Poland history of Kresy is
> taught to any great extent? also how much is taught about the
> deportations?
> From the conversations I experienced here it seems not to any great
> depth, I fear.
> Antoni in UK
>

Dear Janusz,

My kogiel mogiel was just egg yolk and sugar whisked to a pale yellow delicious slightly frothy mix. No egg whites and no other additives whatsoever. It was such a yummy treat.

Just for fun: in the UK your pajamas are our pyjamas. Vive la differance!

Basia (UK)

On 13 Dec 2012, at 16:06, Janusz Maciuba wrote:

�

� I have also included this in document form so that it can printed as a word document. � Janusz � � � Kogel-mogel � a dangerous recipe for these times History A couple of weeks ago, I was talking to my brother Ted and Kogel-Mogel popped up in the conversation.� Two people never remember the same nostalgic thing exactly right.� I said I like the cocoa version of it and he said, �There never was any cocoa in it.�� Rewind the memory tape about 50 years. Friday was bath night and during the winter months the coal fire blazed in the dining room and water was boiled to fill a tin bath tub in front of it.� My three brothers and I took our weekly baths.� This is before we got central heating and moved to the USA. After putting on our pajamas, we got hot cocoa and thick slices of bread coated with very salty Danish butter.� Sometimes, my mother made Kogel-Mogel.� By hand. recipe� She took, let�s say, four eggs and separated the yolks from the whites.� A couple of soup spoons of white sugar were added to the yolks and this was mixed with a spoon until smooth and not at all granular. Then, the whites were whisked with a fork until peaks formed.� The yolk mixture was gently folded into the egg whites � occasionally cocoa powder was added -- and served immediately.� It seemed to have a half-life of about two minutes.� If you have ever tried to use a fork to whisk egg whites, you would understand why my mother had forearms like Popeye�s.� You can use an electric mixer. �bummer It�s also not safe to eat raw eggs these days.� The industrialization of farming has provided cheap food at a terrible cost to us and the environment.� Beakless chickens are crammed in boxes to produce cheap eggs that can carry salmonella; milk is laced with hormones; cattle carry E.coli from feed lots and the antibiotics they�re given (instead of being kept in sanitary conditions) have rendered ineffective the antibiotics we take; and water is not safe to drink because of everything from PCBs to over-used pesticides.� Let�s try and do something about that in 2013. � So, get your own chickens or buy pasteurized eggs.� Kroger sells safe eggs; I assume they�re not hard-boiled, because that would not work at all. ������������������������������������������������������������ Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ���������������������������������������������������������� ���������Janusz Maciuba�� December 2012�� Atlanta Georgia

Janusz has a file to share with you on SkyDrive. To view it, click the link below. Kogel m.docx

�

Lenarda

I was certainly not offended and no apology is necessary.

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Thu 13/12/2012 19:34
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?

Dear group



I have read your comments, your views are taken on board and I do remember in
our group that we have one great gift, freedom of speech with the uniqueness,
individuality, eccentricity, strong debates from all our members, but at the
same time we are forgiving and understanding.  Not all of us are academics but
the group has accepted us, with our stumbling, respecting us all.



I spoke as an individual, used the words "personally" for a reason, as in no way
did I refer that the rest of the group was thinking as I did.  I have also read
posts from the past where we tolerated individual member's outbursts of passion.



The subject was closed last night, but I do commend you on your working together
as a team, even to berate me, as this proves the strength and the bond which
exists within this special group for research, please do not worry, I will take
a back seat so not to offend group again



My comments about blindfold were not appropriate, for this I apologise to Barry
and the group, but it also brought forward a wonderful discussion about what
Barry's involvement is with the Polish Community, from which I now have a
greater respect and have learned much, without this, I as many new people, would
never have known this information and from my side this is greatly appreciated.



My apologies for offending the group and feel that Barry and I came to an
understanding, where I did misunderstand him and he me.  Thus through this
encounter, I have also learned, especially from his comments on research.



Regards

Lenarda, Australia





From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of terry polewski
Sent: Friday, 14 December, 2012 1:56 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?





Lenarda,



all this because Barry simply asked the first question about similar experiences
learning russian?

Asking him taking off his blindfold, open his eyes and apparent lack of
education when making comments?

Who is it that must review the journey of learning (and tolerance)?



Terry Polewski







From: LenardaSzymczak <szymczak01@...>



Dear Barry,


I do not think that you understand the Polish
Spirit?

You are sending posts through KS group and do not see this, that the entire
reason KS Group exists is because of the interest of the younger generation.
Please take off your blindfold and open your eyes or perhaps you are looking
in the wrong places.

I ask you, as you have access to KS Group and records, that you go back and
read all the posts and see how real and genuine is the interest of veterans,
first generation, second generation and others forthcoming, before you make
such open comments. It appears that your education is lacking.

My apologies for being so blunt, but truly your journey of learning has only
begun and I cannot and will not comment any further as this is a research
you personally must undertake. Good luck.

Lenarda,
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 7:54 PM
To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [http://www.kresy-siberia.org/] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
because do not speak Russian?

Lenarda

This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus. I
have extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a
the spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from
that part of the world.
It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between
those who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years
the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe

I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
Poland, as some Russians still do. Sadly many languages are now shadow of
their former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind
of Polish almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have
arrived since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead
and the younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that
matter Polish history.

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Wed 12/12/2012 23:20
To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?

Barry, I personally find this insulting as I feel that Russian and Czech,
being Slavic languages are but a shadow on the original and now existent
Polish people and their language. We were the teachers of culture and
education throughout Europe.

Lenarda,

Sydney, Australia

From: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 10:03 AM
To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com;
mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poland and Borderlands from 10 - 15th
Century until WWII.

Dear Each

I have just been explaining to my new colleagues how important it was in
training school to pronounce our Russian correctly. My tutor told me that if
we incorrectly pronounced words or placed the stresses incorrectly that we
would be mistaken for Poles or Czechs and not listened to.

Does anyone have any experiences that support this view?

Wah Geordies Man!

Barry

_,_._,___





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-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Friday, 14 December, 2012 6:36 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
because do not speak Russian?

Lenarda

I was certainly not offended and no apology is necessary.

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Thu 13/12/2012 19:34
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
because do not speak Russian?

Dear group



I have read your comments, your views are taken on board and I do remember
in our group that we have one great gift, freedom of speech with the
uniqueness, individuality, eccentricity, strong debates from all our
members, but at the same time we are forgiving and understanding.  Not all
of us are academics but the group has accepted us, with our stumbling,
respecting us all.



I spoke as an individual, used the words "personally" for a reason, as in no
way did I refer that the rest of the group was thinking as I did.  I have
also read posts from the past where we tolerated individual member's
outbursts of passion.



The subject was closed last night, but I do commend you on your working
together as a team, even to berate me, as this proves the strength and the
bond which exists within this special group for research, please do not
worry, I will take a back seat so not to offend group again



My comments about blindfold were not appropriate, for this I apologise to
Barry and the group, but it also brought forward a wonderful discussion
about what Barry's involvement is with the Polish Community, from which I
now have a greater respect and have learned much, without this, I as many
new people, would never have known this information and from my side this is
greatly appreciated.



My apologies for offending the group and feel that Barry and I came to an
understanding, where I did misunderstand him and he me.  Thus through this
encounter, I have also learned, especially from his comments on research.



Regards

Lenarda, Australia





From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of terry polewski
Sent: Friday, 14 December, 2012 1:56 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to,
because do not speak Russian?





Lenarda,



all this because Barry simply asked the first question about similar
experiences learning russian?

Asking him taking off his blindfold, open his eyes and apparent lack of
education when making comments?

Who is it that must review the journey of learning (and tolerance)?



Terry Polewski







From: LenardaSzymczak <szymczak01@...>



Dear Barry,


I do not think that you understand the Polish Spirit?

You are sending posts through KS group and do not see this, that the entire
reason KS Group exists is because of the interest of the younger generation.
Please take off your blindfold and open your eyes or perhaps you are looking
in the wrong places.

I ask you, as you have access to KS Group and records, that you go back and
read all the posts and see how real and genuine is the interest of veterans,
first generation, second generation and others forthcoming, before you make
such open comments. It appears that your education is lacking.

My apologies for being so blunt, but truly your journey of learning has only
begun and I cannot and will not comment any further as this is a research
you personally must undertake. Good luck.

Lenarda,
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 7:54 PM
To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [http://www.kresy-siberia.org/] Poles or Czechs not listened
to, because do not speak Russian?

Lenarda

This was not meant to be insulting to Poles and I am aware of the great
contribution to culture that the Poles have made...especially Copernicus. I
have extensively studied the history of Eastern Europe and the Slavs and a
the spectacular contribution to culture, art and music that has come from
that part of the world.
It is very sad also that there is still a great deal of animosity between
those who speak Slavic languages and much of this pre-dates, by many years
the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe

I assumed at the time that my Russian teacher had some sort of problem with
Poland, as some Russians still do. Sadly many languages are now shadow of
their former existences and in Britain we are used to hearing the worst kind
of Polish almost everyday, where every other word is a swear word.
By far the majority of Poles in the UK are younger generation who have
arrived since Poland joined the EU. Most of the WW2 veterans are now dead
and the younger generation have no interest in their forbears or for that
matter Polish history.

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com on behalf of LenardaSzymczak
Sent: Wed 12/12/2012 23:20
To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poles or Czechs not listened to, because do
not speak Russian?

Barry, I personally find this insulting as I feel that Russian and Czech,
being Slavic languages are but a shadow on the original and now existent
Polish people and their language. We were the teachers of culture and
education throughout Europe.

Lenarda,

Sydney, Australia

From: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
[mailto:mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Barry Turner (Journalism)
Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2012 10:03 AM
To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com;
mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Poland and Borderlands from 10 - 15th
Century until WWII.

Dear Each

I have just been explaining to my new colleagues how important it was in
training school to pronounce our Russian correctly. My tutor told me that if
we incorrectly pronounced words or placed the stresses incorrectly that we
would be mistaken for Poles or Czechs and not listened to.

Does anyone have any experiences that support this view?

Wah Geordies Man!

Barry

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