Dear UK members,
I would be grateful if you could please inform your family, friends and contacts
about this Fun Polish Christmas event for children between the ages of 4-8 years
old organised by the Polish Cultural Institute and which will held in London,
Manchester and Edinburgh this week � see
http://www.polishculture.org.uk/events/news/article/fun-polish-christmas-1919.ht\
ml
The events will be conducted in the English language. I hope you can attend.
Best regards.
Eva Szegidewicz
Director, Kresy-Siberia (UK)
Manchester

Fun Polish Christmas
Story-telling, arts & crafts workshop and food-tasting for little explorers.

Age group: 4-8 years old. Children must be accompanied by guardians. When
booking please indicate the number of children and guardians per booking (max 4
children per one guardian).

Come one, come all and don't miss a Christmas workshop for all the family, with
jingles and bells from Poland! Join actor Jonathan Salt for winter tale-telling
of Polish traditions and culture; impress your friends and family by learning
some Polish festive arts and crafts with Marta Kotlarska, and tuck into treats
from the Polish festive kitchen - all FOR FREE!

This is an event celebrates the radio series called Where in the World? Poland!
produced by Fun Kids radio in association with the Polish Cultural Institute in
London. The series introduces children in the UK to history, culture and people
from Poland (for more info click here:
http://www.polishculture.org.uk/events/news/article/where-in-the-world-poland-18\
73.html).

The workshops are presented by the Polish Cultural Institute in London in
collaboration with Fun Kids Radio, Consulate General of the Republic of Poland
in Edinburgh, Consulate General of the Republic of Poland in Manchester, City of
Westminster Council, City of Edinburgh Council, University of Manchester, Polish
Cultural Festival Association, Ojemba Productions and Click Academy.

Is anyone here familiar with Beyond the Uprising: A Polish Girl's
Journey, by Cynthia Grant Bowman? It was published in 2008 through Xlibris.

Thanks - Dan Ford US

If I am not mistaken in the US, a number of years ago, the same thing happened regarding the school curriculum. The Polish community did file some kind of law suit to include some polish references in the school curriculum and I think it won in court and I think some references were/are included but I do not believe in all the states.

At the time of the above event I was not involved in any Polish history or trying to correct errors or falsehood that were being spread against Poland or the Polish people so I have a vague relocation of this problem regarding the school curriculum. I am sure others in this group might have better information on this subject then I have. I think that some Polish groups in California were involved.

I personally have no objection to any group trying to include their history in a school setting or curriculum.

I do have an objection to specific groups trying to make their horrible plight shown as having a higher value in terms of the atrocities committed against them, than what others suffered during the same time in history by the same murders or as been the case in the past not even mentioning in any detail other nation�s sufferings and/or atrocities even if other's atrocities were greater.

Therefore,at the�sometime�I believe �a great responsibility falls on the Polish people to take positive action and see that its history is included everywhere and in this case the school curriculum by designing a curriculum and then submitting it to all the school systems. We should not depend on other groups to do that work for us �or complain if their history is included and ours is not. Especially if during if we did not made any effort to present a detailed curriculum on Poland, its suffering and the atrocities that were�perpetrated�on its people.

As in many cases funds are needed to do this type of work, a great deal of volunteer work needs done and the Polish people need to be well organized. We don't even have a complete mailing or e-mail list of the Polish people through the world to start organizing them. That should have been one of the first steps taken years ago by different Polish organizations throughout the world.

You will note that the total world population of the group mentioned earlier is about 15 million yet their�organizations�function at a higher�precision then most of the world's groups, countries or populations.�

For example the funds that flow to this group from the US is�unbelievably high�when compared to what any other nation or group receives annually.�That is not the fault of this group that they receive all that money with no strings attached. They worked for this by properly organizing�themselves. We should not be envious but learn from their example and successes.

Note they as a group never have admitted to any error or wrong doing in their historical past.

We on the�other hand�seem to fight over small�details which have no major barring on the end results.

If we wish to receive the same amount of funds or �have our suffering included in any school�curriculum�we must review their�strategy.� It is really our fault that we have not learned how to�organize our people and our strengths to have�similar�results in many different areas of life and government.

Currently as far as this group (Kresy-Siberia ) is concerned we are having a difficult time collecting funds and volunteers for our Virtual Museum which really should have been completed months ago.

Will we have the energy, time, volunteers or funds to do the next project one being creating a curriculum for the many different school systems in the world and then pushing them through the correct channels?

I hope we can complete the Virtual Museum soon and then work on one of the next BIG PROJECTS���.� but who will step up to these great important tasks?

Julek

That would be correct. Each state is wholly independent (at least for
the nonce) in such matters.

On 12/10/2012 4:38 AM, Julian Plowy wrote:
> I think some references were/are included but I do not believe in all
> the states.
The joke among WW2 scholars is that American high school kids know two
things about the Second World War:

1) That the Americans bombed Hiroshima, and

2) That the Japanese retaliated by bombing Pearl Harbor.

-- Dan Ford US

Please welcome new member Andrew to the group. He  wanted to express his
appreciation of the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum which for him illustrates the
stories told to him by his father. He he has just started researching his
father's family history. He says his father was only 7 when his family were
forcibly removed by the Russians. The family had a farm at Dolhinov not far from
Vilnius and his grandfather. Piotr
Nadolski had fought in the Polish army that had driven the Russians out of what
became the Kresy Borderlands. Unfortunately the family have no records,
documentation, medals other than the stories his father told him before he died.
Once again Andrew welcome.
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
Colchester
UK

----- Original Message -----

From: George Neisser

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Introducing new member Simone Kaptur from Worthing UK

 

Dear Simone, welcome to the group.

 

I am at the University of Manchester researching the post war Polish emigre community with particular emphasis on the situation in Great Britain. I am looking into the second and third generations and one issue that has always interested me is the transmission of trauma from the first to second generation. I will email you in the next few days with a few more specifics.

 

Best wishes

 

Jurek (George) Neisser 

University of Manchester

England 

From: simonekaptur <simonekaptur@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 14 October 2012, 11:49
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Introducing new member Simone Kaptur from Worthing UK

 

Thank you Helen

As mentioned below in Helen's welcome, apart from my very personal need, interest and journey I also have a professional interest. It is my personal journey that informs the one of professional that can support so many other's in their own making sense of as well as informing others.

I have an interest in, and am passionate about, the affects and effects of being an adult child of a survivor/s and am currently doing some research, for what I hope, will be a published article and another forum for voices to be heard and understood. If any one is willing to share their experience/s please, feel free to contact me.

Warmest regards

Simone Kaptur
England

--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...> wrote:
>
> Please welcome new member Simone to the group. She is of the 2nd generation of the Poles "displaced" during and after WW2. Her father, as a young child, was deported to Siberia and then sent to the refugee camp Valivade in India and from there to England at around 12 years old.
>
> Simone has been searching for years for information and appreciates what she found through this group. She recently included her father's name on the virtual memorial wall.
> She is a counsellor/psychotherapist who is considering writing an article for the therapeutic world about transgenerational trauma, the silence and the impact of. Her interests cover an
> individual's experience of being the 2nd/3rd generation and the affects and effects of being an adult child of a survivor.
>
> Kind regards
> Helen Bitner
> Colchester
> UK
>

Hi Lucyna

Wiktor Nadolski is my Uncle, my Father's oldest brother. Unfortunately I cannot
speak, or read Polsh so don't know what the words after his name mean. The area
of Derby is correct so I know it is him.
My Father Czeslaw, brother Wiktor and sister Aniela ended up in Derby. The
youngest brother Boguslaw moved to Canada. Only Boguslaw and Wiktor are still
alive

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Lucyna Artymiuk" <lucynaartymiuk@...>
wrote:
>
>
>
> Any of these your family?
>
>
>
> 793103                                              Nadolski Tadeusz
> 22.01.1902                                kpr. / LAC            Mechanik
> brak dalszych informacji
>
> 706216                                              Nadolski Wiktor
> 06.04.1923                                 kpr. / LAC  Bez specjalno�ci
>
>
>             1987 Allestree Derby DE22 UK
>
> 729248                                              Nadolski Zbigniew
> 07.04.1916                                kpr. / AC1            Mechanik
> 1947 Polska
>
> 793720
>
>
>
>
>
> Lucyna
>

Thank-you

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Lucyna Artymiuk" <lucynaartymiuk@...>
wrote:
>
> 706216    Nadolski Wiktor                                   06.04.1923
> kpr. / LAC            Bez specjalno�ci
>
>                 1987 Allestree Derby DE22 UK
>
>
>
>
>
> Service number   name    date of birth      coporal/ lance corpporal
> funcyion  no speciality
>
>
>
> Last known contact and place
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of andrew.nadolski
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012 1:42 AM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: nadolskis in polish squadrons
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Lucyna
>
> Wiktor Nadolski is my Uncle, my Father's oldest brother. Unfortunately I
> cannot speak, or read Polsh so don't know what the words after his name
> mean. The area of Derby is correct so I know it is him.
> My Father Czeslaw, brother Wiktor and sister Aniela ended up in Derby. The
> youngest brother Boguslaw moved to Canada. Only Boguslaw and Wiktor are
> still alive
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lucyna Artymiuk"
> <lucynaartymiuk@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Any of these your family?
> >
> >
> >
> > 793103 Nadolski Tadeusz
> > 22.01.1902 kpr. / LAC Mechanik
> > brak dalszych informacji
> >
> > 706216 Nadolski Wiktor
> > 06.04.1923 kpr. / LAC Bez specjalno�ci
> >
> >
> > 1987 Allestree Derby DE22 UK
> >
> > 729248 Nadolski Zbigniew
> > 07.04.1916 kpr. / AC1 Mechanik
> > 1947 Polska
> >
> > 793720
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lucyna
> >
>

 

----- Original Message -----

From: John Halucha

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:17 AM

Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: 8th Division, Andrew Lopianowski journal

 

This is a tantalizing article, Pan Antoni. As I understand it, the 8th Division started travelling to Guzar from Chok Pak on March 23. The journey is only about 315 km "as the crow flies" but probably farther by train through the mountains between. But even if it arrived on March 24, the article says: "It was not until the fourth day we were in Guzar that we were provisioned..." which indicates they were probably still at Guzar on March 27 or so.

When did the Division embark for Krasnovodsk, 1,720 kilometres to the west?

When did it arrive at Krasnovodsk, and when did it cross the Caspian Sea to Pahlevi? I know that my father was in the first exodus in March-April 1942, so it had to be around this time.

Since this information comes from Part 14 of the journal, these questions and more might be answered in following issues of Mleczko tygodnik polski. This one is Nr 36(114) 11.09.2010.

Could you explain how to find later editions to see if they have more of the journal? I can't even figure out how you found this one - that is some very impressive access to resources.

This may indeed be the journal to which Andrew Lopianowski was referring. I am still hoping to see Andrew's journal just in case it is different and has yet more information.

Thanks very much for sharing this link, Pan Antoni. It has opened a whole new path for detective work that may finally answer where my father was on March 30 when he is officially documented as having joined the 8th Infantry Division.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

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From: antoni530 <askazimierski@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 10:26:28 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: 8th Division, Andrew Lopianowski journal [was Polish Army locations in USSR]

 

Hello John,

I am wondering if this is the journal you are referring to in your note;

http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1p4iy/tygodnikPolski114/resources/10.htm
I am not sure where this extract comes from, but it is in reference to the date you mentioned, namely 23rd March 1942.
Please check it out.
Antoni K

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Antoni, Stephen and others for contributing to this exploration of the 8th Infantry Division.
> Seven years ago Andrew Lopianowski posted about a journal his grandfather had, which may have included information and a map about the 8th (messages from 17337 to 17687).
> Andrew, if you see this, can you reply here or contact me personally at
> john.halucha[at]yahoo.com
> Romuald Lipinski and Zbigniew (Styrna?) offered help with translation, and Elzunia Olsson had an interesting exchange about a map that is with the journal.
> However, I can't find the journal or map posted anywhere, nor can I find anything else posted about it since that time. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
> I tried to send an email to Andrew at his 2005-6 address <alopia[at]attglobal.net> but it just now bounced back as undeliverable. If anyone can provide a new link for Andrew, I will be happy to try again.
> John Halucha
> Sault Ste Marie, Canada
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: antoni530 <askazimierski@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:31:39 AM
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Polish Army locations in USSR
>
>
>  
> John,
>
> If you look at http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_Dywizja_Piechoty_(PSZ)
> it suggests that the 8 division evacuated between 24th March and 4th April 1942. On arrival into Persia was not re-established in that format. In October that year about 5,000 of its soldiers arrived in Scotland as part of the Polish Forces in UK.
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, STEPHEN STELMASZUK <stephen.stelmaszuk@> wrote:
> >
> > John dad's record say's he enlisted 1/3/42 and was posted to the 8th also.Say's he came under British command in Iran 1/4/42after evacuation.No mention of where from.Stephen.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: antoni530 <askazimierski@>
> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012, 10:18
> > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Polish Army locations in USSR
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > John,
> > there is a lot of mystery about the dates of departures; I am not sure when the 8th div under the control of Col. Bronislaw Rakowski?? moved, but in any case it did not survive in its original complement and many soldiers were re-allocated to other divisions later on in its life. As I recollect; more research is needed.
> > antoni530 in UK.
> >
> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This is superb detail, Pan Antoni.
> > > Some memoirs talk about boarding ships at Krasnovodsk on March 23 and say the first ships departed March 24, with the last ships of the first exodus landing in Pahlevi April 6 (or I have also seen it given as late as April 10). The 8th Division (or at least part of it, including my father) made the crossing in that period, so I am curious to know when the 8th Division left Chokpak, boarded the ship(s) and / or landed in Pahlevi.
> > > It would also be interesting to know on what dates other military units made the Krasnovodsk-Pahlevi crossing.
> > > John Halucha
> > >
> > > Sault Ste Marie, Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: antoni530 <askazimierski@>
> > > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 11:06:00 AM
> > > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Polish Army locations in USSR [was List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942]
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > Dear John,
> > >
> > > I am pleased to hear from you; yes, as you say 8ma dywizja and dywizja drogowa as well as sanitarna on 23rd March were at Chok Pack, but I am not sure where they were on the 30th March, but I suspect as it was just a week forward it is likely they might have been at the same place. Julian Siedlecki does not mention of any movement of forces in his book.
> > >
> > > Pozdrowienia,
> > > Antoni in UK
> > >
> > > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Antoni,
> > > > Do your maps indicate where the 8th Division was on March 30, 1942? Or might you have some other resource in your vast library that says where the 8th Division was on that date? It was earlier at Chok-Pak
> > > > (Chokpak) at 42ÃÆ'‚° 37' 0" North, 70ÃÆ'‚° 34' 0" East, but I suspect it had moved by the end of March.
> > > >
> > > > March 30 is the date my father, the late Jan HaÃÆ'…‚ucha, is recorded as enrolling in the Division just days before joining the exodus to Persia.
> > > > Thank you very much for your precious contributions to knowledge and understanding in this forum.
> > > > John Halucha
> > > > Sault Ste Marie, Canada
>