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#53260 From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:17 am
Subject: The Eagle Unbowed / Isaac's Army 		godanford
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Here is my review in the Wall Street Journal of these two very different
books about Poland:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323353204578129220634214466.html

- Dan Ford US

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#53261 From: Julian Plowy <jayplowy@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:54 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: List of Polish Evacuees from USSR to Teheran Iran 1942 		julek2205
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Thank you

Julek

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...> wrote:

Hi Julek,
the list of evacuees is available online at the Sikorski Institute website www.pism.co.uk/
Im afraid that I cannot locate the exact section at present, but it is somewhere in the archives.

Kind regards,

Krystyna

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Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada

Executive Director, Kresy-Siberia Foundation - registered in Warsaw (KRS 0000326445)

Chair & Exec Director, Kresy-Siberia (Canada) Inc. - Registered Charity No. 83341 6407 RR0001

Director, Kresy-Siberia (UK) - Registered Charity No. 1137210

Kresy-Siberia Virtual Mueum: www.Kresy-Siberia.org

"Established to inspire, promote and support research, remembrance

and recognition of Polish citizens struggles in the Eastern Borderlands

and in Exile during World War II."

I also have the same above problem. I do know how to go direct to the Kresy Virtual Museum but the question also was regarding a list of Polish refugees in Tehran arriving from Russia/USSR and the answer is not given to the exact location or even if such a list exists.
I understand that we would like to have people spend time in the museum but a direct answer to some important questions would be very helpful.
Julek



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#53262 From: "Mark and Oyun" <mark_oyun@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:42 am
Subject: Re: The Eagle Unbowed / Isaac's Army 		mark_oyun
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Dear Dan,

Enjoyed the review. One small question... which may well spiral out of control...


Am I to infer that Poland was NOT "a class-ridden society of large landowners who oppressed the masses and whose pre-war government had been a dictatorship". The first part... OK, over stating it somewhat... but the dictatorship part? If the sancja regime was not  a dictatorship, what was it?

TIME MAGAZINE: Monday, Oct. 03, 1927
There have been recent signs of the Polish Sejm (Parliament) attempting to oust Dictator Josef Pilsudski.

The Polish political situation is somewhat unusual. The President (pedagogic Professor Ignatz Moscicki) is the impotent puppet of Josef Pilsudski, Premier, Minister of War & Marshal of Poland, who is actually the law. Although he appears in the Sejm on important occasions (such as political crises, when he dons his much-worn military uniform to terrify his opponents), he leaves much governmental business to another puppet: Vice Premier & Minister of Religion & Education, Professor Kazimierz Bartel....

I'm not sure the view of Pilsudski is all down to Stalin.

Regards, Mark

 

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Dan Ford <cub06h@...> wrote:
>
> Here is my review in the Wall Street Journal of these two very different
> books about Poland:
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323353204578129220634214466.html
>
> - Dan Ford US
>


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#53263 From: Carol Hornby-Clements <craftyccc@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] People of 2 Corps event and project 		caz2ukuk
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Thank you so much for this.
Carol UK


On 20 November 2012 21:49, Aneta Hoffmann <aneta.hoffmann@...> wrote:
 

Dear All,
I have a great pleasure to inform you that Kresy-Siberia Foundation's event in Warsaw presenting our project "People of Polish 2 Corps" - "onierze II Korpusu Polskiego w 70-t rocznic ewakuacji Armii Polskiej z ZSRR"/ "People of Polish 2 Corps in 70th anniversary of evacuation of Polish Army from Soviet Union", which we held yesterday - Monday 19 Nov, 12:00 was a great success.

We organised it with Urzad ds Kombatantow, IPN (they gave us their conference space for it) and Museum of Polish History (which gave grant for that project this year). We had a full audience (over 120 people) and many officials ie Deputy President of IPN Agnieszka Rudzinska, Director of Museum of Polish History Robert Kostro, senator Borys-Damiecka (deputy chair of Senate Comittee of Polonia), representatives from Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Urzad ds Kombatantow, Ministry of Culture and Ministry of Defence.

Many Sybiracy and 2 Corps came, also students from 2 schools holding name of Monte Cassino and Gen Anders in Warsaw.

Our presentation of the project, which thanks to hard work of especially Krystyna Szypowska and other people helping her is visible since yesterday in Special Exhibitions section on KSVM, was found very well.
People liked our fresh approach to the theme presenting different fates of people, which were part of 2 Corps : different ways to 2 Corps, different positions held in the army, different postwar fates.

You can visit it :

Also 40 minute film our Warsaw team made based on the testimonies recorded in this project with 2 Corps veterans was found very well.

School choir of primary school in Warsaw named of Monte Cassino, which performed 3 songs of Feliks Konarski (2 rarely performed but beautiful) was found very moving.

Last accord were short, oral testimonies of the veterans we invited from outside of Warsaw (thanks to money from Urzad ds Kombatantw), which speak very interesting about their war fates.

At the end of the ceremony I was given occassional emblem from 3 Carpathian Riffle Brigade association on behalf of Sybiracy and veterans thanks to my (our) hard work of preservation and promotion of memories of 2 Corps history.

Small refreshment after the event was the occasion for the further conversations, sharing memories, maintaing good contacts.

Please visit the exhibition - done in Polish and in English can be accessible easily by everybody. I hope you will find interesting the testimonies of 16 veterans we have chosen to this project.

Brgds

Aneta Hoffmann
General Manager
Kresy-Siberia Foundation
Warsaw, Poland




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Carol C
http://carolcsstuff.blogspot.com




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#53264 From: Beata Hanks <beatahanks@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:19 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		beatahanks
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Dear Halina

Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.

Regards

Beata Hanks
Melton Mowbray UK
 
From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942

 
To all interested in the following list:

The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:

http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en

Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called – List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!

Kind regards

Halina (NZ)




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#53265 From: Janusz Maciuba <januszm10@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:41 pm
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: The Eagle Unbowed / Isaac's Army 		jmaciuba
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Time magazine made Stalin Man of the Year in 1939 and 1942,so something was a bit off in its editorial view.  Hitler was MOTY in 1938.
 
Janusz Maciuba
Atlanta GA
 
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
From: mark_oyun@...
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:42:34 +0000
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: The Eagle Unbowed / Isaac's Army

 


Dear Dan,
Enjoyed the review. One small question... which may well spiral out of control...

Am I to infer that Poland was NOT "a class-ridden society of large landowners who oppressed the masses and whose pre-war government had been a dictatorship". The first part... OK, over stating it somewhat... but the dictatorship part? If the sancja regime was not  a dictatorship, what was it?
TIME MAGAZINE: Monday, Oct. 03, 1927
There have been recent signs of the Polish Sejm (Parliament) attempting to oust Dictator Josef Pilsudski.
The Polish political situation is somewhat unusual. The President (pedagogic Professor Ignatz Moscicki) is the impotent puppet of Josef Pilsudski, Premier, Minister of War & Marshal of Poland, who is actually the law. Although he appears in the Sejm on important occasions (such as political crises, when he dons his much-worn military uniform to terrify his opponents), he leaves much governmental business to another puppet: Vice Premier & Minister of Religion & Education, Professor Kazimierz Bartel....
I'm not sure the view of Pilsudski is all down to Stalin.
Regards, Mark
 
--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Dan Ford <cub06h@...> wrote:
>
> Here is my review in the Wall Street Journal of these two very different
> books about Poland:
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323353204578129220634214466.html
>
> - Dan Ford US
>



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#53266 From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		szypowska
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Dear Beata,
 
We have an ongoing project planned, to retype the list into a much better format, but sadly have had few volunteers come forward to assist with this mammoth task.  In the interim, while we continue searching for willing helpers, viewing the original list on the Sikorski Museum site may be the better choice. Go to  http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf
 

Kind regards,

Krystyna

Winnipeg, Canada

Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 

Dear Halina

Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.

Regards

Beata Hanks
Melton Mowbray UK
 
From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
To all interested in the following list:

The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:

http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en

Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called – List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!

Kind regards

Halina (NZ)

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#53267 From: Chris W <wroblew705@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:31 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		wroblew705
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Krystyna rather than type out that entire list why not just scan those pages again in a better resolution, its already in a good format.
Might be a lot easier than typing. Just my 2 cents.
Chris.......
Calgary

From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19:15 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942

 
Dear Beata,
 
We have an ongoing project planned, to retype the list into a much better format, but sadly have had few volunteers come forward to assist with this mammoth task.  In the interim, while we continue searching for willing helpers, viewing the original list on the Sikorski Museum site may be the better choice. Go to  http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf
 
Kind regards,
Krystyna
Winnipeg, Canada
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
Dear Halina

Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.

Regards

Beata Hanks
Melton Mowbray UK
 
From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
To all interested in the following list:

The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:

http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en

Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called – List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!

Kind regards

Halina (NZ)



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#53268 From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		szypowska
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Because we want to make each name a part of our database.
 

Kind regards,

Krystyna

From: Chris W
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 

Krystyna rather than type out that entire list why not just scan those pages again in a better resolution, its already in a good format.
Might be a lot easier than typing. Just my 2 cents.
Chris.......
Calgary
 
From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19:15 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
Dear Beata,
 
We have an ongoing project planned, to retype the list into a much better format, but sadly have had few volunteers come forward to assist with this mammoth task.  In the interim, while we continue searching for willing helpers, viewing the original list on the Sikorski Museum site may be the better choice. Go to  http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf
 
Kind regards,
Krystyna
Winnipeg, Canada
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
Dear Halina

Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.

Regards

Beata Hanks
Melton Mowbray UK
 
From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
To all interested in the following list:

The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:

http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en

Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called – List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!

Kind regards

Halina (NZ)



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#53269 From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		szypowska
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Because we want to make each name a part of our database.
 
Sorry, I should have added that this would make the list a searchable one.
 

Kind regards,

Krystyna

From: Chris W
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
  Krystyna rather than type out that entire list why not just scan those pages again in a better resolution, its already in a good format.
Might be a lot easier than typing. Just my 2 cents.
Chris.......
Calgary
 
From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19:15 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
Dear Beata,
 
We have an ongoing project planned, to retype the list into a much better format, but sadly have had few volunteers come forward to assist with this mammoth task.  In the interim, while we continue searching for willing helpers, viewing the original list on the Sikorski Museum site may be the better choice. Go to  http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf
 
Kind regards,
Krystyna
Winnipeg, Canada
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
Dear Halina

Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.

Regards

Beata Hanks
Melton Mowbray UK
 
From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
To all interested in the following list:

The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:

http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en

Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called – List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!

Kind regards

Halina (NZ)



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#53270 From: Beata Hanks <beatahanks@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		beatahanks
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Dear Krystyna

Thank you for your response.  By the way, if it is only copy typing you require, then I can do this for you.  Although now retired, I was a legal secretary for the last 28 years.  If I can help, please let me know.

Regards

Beata Hanks
Melton Mowbray UK


From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 19:19
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942

 
Dear Beata,
 
We have an ongoing project planned, to retype the list into a much better format, but sadly have had few volunteers come forward to assist with this mammoth task.  In the interim, while we continue searching for willing helpers, viewing the original list on the Sikorski Museum site may be the better choice. Go to  http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf
 
Kind regards,
Krystyna
Winnipeg, Canada
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
Dear Halina

Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.

Regards

Beata Hanks
Melton Mowbray UK
 
From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
 
 
To all interested in the following list:

The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:

http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en

Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called – List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!

Kind regards

Halina (NZ)



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#53271 From: VS alias Theobald <zunr1918@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:53 pm
Subject: The Ukraine Famine 1932-1933 		drvladis
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Sxr7SH-OF0c

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#53272 From: "Mark and Oyun" <mark_oyun@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:27 pm
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: The Eagle Unbowed / Isaac's Army 		mark_oyun
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Dear Janusz,

Yes, it shows you how wrong journalists can be. But the fact remains that Pilsudski's coup d'etat was recognised as being a slide to dictatorship at the time, and that Pilsudski was referred to as "dictator" by contemporary sources.

From the same journal:

Monday, Nov. 11, 1929

Deputies of the Sejm, Poland's Parliament, assembled nervously in Warsaw last week, for the first time since swashbuckling, eagle-eyebrowed Dictator Josef Pilsudski packed them off on a compulsory vacation seven months ago.

Today almost the only champion of the Deputies' rights against the whims of the Dictator is Speaker of the Sejm Ignacy Daszynski, the Civilian Marshal of Poland, a onetime friend but now foe of the "Military Marshal"Pilsudski.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,737985,00.html

But OK, if you don't like the journalist slant, I offer one from the British Foreign Office in 1931:

As in other countries ruled by dictators, the economic crisis, which affected Poland with increasing severity during the year, had the effect of discrediting the Government politically as well as economically. The opposition to Marshal Pilsudski, seemingly paralysed a year ago by the apparent material successes of his regime, raised its head again, and the Dictator soon felt that he must fight for his political life.

Sir Robert Vansittart, Permanent Under Secretary of State to the Foreign Office, May 14th 1931. Report to the Cabinet Office.

National Archives: CAB 24/221/25

Regards, Mark Ostrowski


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> TIME MAGAZINE: Monday, Oct. 03, 1927
> There have been recent signs of the Polish Sejm (Parliament) attempting to oust Dictator Josef Pilsudski.
> The Polish political situation is somewhat unusual. The President (pedagogic Professor Ignatz Moscicki) is the impotent puppet of Josef Pilsudski, Premier, Minister of War & Marshal of Poland, who is actually the law. Although he appears in the Sejm on important occasions (such as political crises, when he dons his much-worn military uniform to terrify his opponents), he leaves much governmental business to another puppet: Vice Premier & Minister of Religion & Education, Professor Kazimierz Bartel....
> I'm not sure the view of Pilsudski is all down to Stalin.
> Regards, Mark
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> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Dan Ford cub06h@ wrote:
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> > Here is my review in the Wall Street Journal of these two very different
> > books about Poland:
> >
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323353204578129220634214466.html
> >
> > - Dan Ford US
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#53273 From: Chris Gniewosz <Chris@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: The Eagle Unbowed / Isaac's Army 		cgniewosz
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In my family there was serious discord regarding Pilsudski's legitimacy. Most recognized that he had taken control through less than "legitimate" means, though many thought the end justified the means and were willing to accept his leadership while Poland needed a strong hand.
Chris Gniewosz
Portland Oregon

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Mark and Oyun <mark_oyun@...> wrote:
Pilsudski



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#53274 From: "LenardaSzymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:10 pm
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] The Ukraine Famine 1932-1933 		lenardaszymczak
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Dear VS alias Theobald from ?

 

Thank you for posting this, this video clip is basically correct except for one or two facts. 

The Ukrainian people were oppressed because they did not want to conform to Stalins’ rule and the famine was punishment to bring them into line.

Also, at this time, Russia was exporting huge amounts of grain to the west and making a profit, during the Great Depression, while his own people were starving.

The growing of crops was forbidden and stealing food was punished with beatings so severe that the person died.

 

My mother, born in 1924 and my Grandmother lived through this and it was common for them as Polish Kulaks, to have a little extra, using Bartar and exchange of family belongings to procure food.  My mother would walk kilometres to get a bag of apples.

I recall my mother telling me that as a child, she witnessed starving people coming to the door of their house, begging for food and her mother would bring them in, feed them with some bread or whatever was available and many times, they would  sit at the table and die before food was given or die after they had eaten.  The family, or the villagers  would take the bodies and bury them in the forest, not knowing their identity.  

 

My cousin (my Uncle’s Grandson Gregorz Chmielewski) has written a personal account of this, from my uncle.  This is how the family found each other, through this article. Because my uncles’ words, were my mothers’ words 67 years later, with my mother in Australia and my uncle in Poland, both telling the same story from the same house.

 

English version - http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://wolnemedia.net/historia/wielki-glod-na-ukrainie-oczyma-mojego-dziadka/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwielki%2Bglod%2Bna%2Bukrainie%2B-%2BGrzegorz%2Bchmielewski%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DHA4%26tbo%3Dd%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D890&sa=X&ei=lD-xUPqTOuOCiQeGi4CYAw&ved=0CDUQ7gEwAA

 

Polish version - http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwolnemedia.net%2Fhistoria%2Fwielki-glod-na-ukrainie-oczyma-mojego-dziadka%2F&ei=lD-xUPqTOuOCiQeGi4CYAw&usg=AFQjCNG4Srcyh7s-X9PZaC2ehMueRBnB8w&cad=rja

 

Regards,

Lenarda, Australia

 

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of VS alias Theobald
Sent: Sunday, 25 November, 2012 7:54 AM
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Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] The Ukraine Famine 1932-1933

 

 


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#53275 From: "LenardaSzymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:03 am
Subject: NKVD relocated archives to Zlatoust, Balashov, Aktiubinsk, Ural'sk, Ul'ianovsk and Alga, 1941-1942. 		lenardaszymczak
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      The use of archives for the purposes of surveillance and political repression in the USSR was not the novelty in 1942. Already the dreaded ChK and its successor organization OGPU showed pronounced interest in the archival heritage of various institutions of the ancien regime, enemy governments of the Civil War era and non-Bolshevik parties. Coupled with the employment of secret agents/informers and familiar forms of surveillance that the Bolshevik regime shared with other modern states (census, passportization, perlustration of correspondence etc.),[i] monitoring of the contents of archival documents became an indispensable vehicle for identifying potential sources of opposition from the early years of the Bolshevik rule.[ii]

END NOTES BELOW:


[i] See, for example, Peter Holquist, op.cit.; James Scott, Seeing like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed. New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 1998; John Torpey, The Invention of the Passport: Surveillance, Citizenship, and the State. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2000.

 

[ii] Particularly suspicious in the eyes of the OGPU officials were the so-called “former people” (i.e. functionaries of the Tsarist state, nobility, clergy, Gendarmes, policemen, servicemen of the “white” armies, etc.), “bourgeois nationalists,” as well as members of various socialist parties. See Viktor Chentsov, Politychni represii v Radians;kii Ukraini v 20-ti roky, Kyiv: Instytut Istorii NANU, 2000: 101; Iurii Shapoval, Vadym Zolotariov, Vsevolod Balyts’kyi: Osoba, chas, otochennia.Kyiv: Stylos, 2002: 83-85.

 

ALSO –

archives were gradually integrated into the structure of the Stalinist machinery of repression. Formally, this process reached the stage of completion in April 1938, when the NKVD de jure assumed total control of the archival holdings. By then providing informational support to the NKVD in the mass operations of the “Great Terror” had effectively become the main task of the Soviet archival organs.[ii] The freshly appointed head of the Main Archival Administration captain of state security Iosif Nikitinskii articulated the new conception of the archive during the conference with heads of regional departments of state archives in April 1939.[ii] According to Nikitinskii, the role of archival organs now consisted in “placing in the service of the Socialist state all the archival materials on enemies of the people,-- from provocateurs, fileurs and Gendarmes to Trotskyites and Rightists.”[ii] In charge of coordinating this work was the so-called “sector of classified collections” (otdel sekretnykh fondov), created as a sub-unit of the Main Archival Administration on the initiative of Nikitinskii. Sectors of classified collections at the time also appeared at each and every state archive.

    A few months later the ethos and practices of state surveillance were transposed to the territories incorporated into the USSR in the wake of the Red Army’s invasion of Poland in September 1939. In a preview of developments taking place in the aftermath of the Nazi occupation, special task forces of the NKVD, which included professional archivists among their members, used the captured archives of the Polish state to target representatives of the government administration, Polish nobility, members of “bourgeois” parties, and “Nationalist elements.”[ii] In the meantime, personnel of the UGA NKVD in the “old” Soviet territories continued analysis of the documents of the state archives and compilation of the lists of different categories of the “enemies of the people.”[ii] This work never ceased even when the war started and the troops of Axis powers overran large tracts of Soviet territory. Thus archivists from Ukraine continued their work in Zlatoust, Balashov, Aktiubinsk, Ural’sk, Ul’ianovsk and Alga, where the archival documents deemed most important by the NKVD had been relocated in the course of 1941-1942.[ii] For example, just in the first 6 months of 1942, while in evacuation in Zlatoust, personnel of the Central State Historical Archive processed 28.000 newspapers from the years 1917 to 1929 and entered into the card catalogue data on 23.442 individuals. In combination with data derived from other materials concentrated in the sector of classified collections, the number of “counter-revolutionary elements” registered during the 6 month period just by this archival unit reached 39.697 people.[ii] In light of the fact that a large number of individuals from the target groups (“white guards,” “gendarmes,” “kulaks,” “Trotskyites,” “Petliurites,” etc.) had already been liquidated in the mass operations of 1937-1938, the scope and ambition of the continued official efforts to achieve the legibility of the Soviet society become even more apparent.[ii]

COMPLETE ARTICLE LINK - http://ww2-historicalmemory.org.ua/docs/eng/Melnyk.doc 

Lenarda, Australia

 


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#53276 From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:54 am
Subject: Re: People of 2 Corps event and project 		basiazielins...
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This is brilliant. Many thanks for your efforts. We at KS are most fortunate to benefit from your generosity of time and energy.


Basia Zielinska (Sydney)

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#53277 From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:14 am
Subject: Re: People of 2 Corps 		szypowska
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Thank you Basia.  I’m glad that you appreciate the Special Exhibition we did on the Second Corps.  Of course, it all started with the veterans who agreed to participate and share their stories with us.  Several members of the team came together to gather the materials, record and process the testimonies, translate the texts, and upload everything into the format that you see online.  You can read more about who was involved in the About this Exhibition section.  Four of the bios remain to be completed in the coming days, and of course, all of the interview clips need to have translations added to make the exhibit completely bilingual, so there are still many hours to go before it is fully finished.  It is heartening and encouraging to know that the efforts are so well appreciated.
 

Kind regards,

Krystyna

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Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada

From: Basia
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:54 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: People of 2 Corps event and project
 

This is brilliant. Many thanks for your efforts. We at KS are most fortunate to benefit from your generosity of time and energy.
 
 
Basia Zielinska (Sydney)
 

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#53278 From: Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...>
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: People of 2 Corps 		helenbitner
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Thank you Krystyna and Aneta and all those involved. I would like to add my appreciation to the wonderful work presented in this exhibition on the Second Corps. Something indeed to be proud of.  
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
UK 

On 25 Nov 2012, at 03:14, Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Basia.  I’m glad that you appreciate the Special Exhibition we did on the Second Corps.  Of course, it all started with the veterans who agreed to participate and share their stories with us.  Several members of the team came together to gather the materials, record and process the testimonies, translate the texts, and upload everything into the format that you see online.  You can read more about who was involved in the About this Exhibition section.  Four of the bios remain to be completed in the coming days, and of course, all of the interview clips need to have translations added to make the exhibit completely bilingual, so there are still many hours to go before it is fully finished.  It is heartening and encouraging to know that the efforts are so well appreciated.
 

Kind regards,

Krystyna

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Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada

From: Basia
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:54 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: People of 2 Corps event and project
 

This is brilliant. Many thanks for your efforts. We at KS are most fortunate to benefit from your generosity of time and energy.
 
 
Basia Zielinska (Sydney)
 



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#53279 From: "BARBARA" <charubab@...>
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:55 pm
Subject: Re: List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		charubab...
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Krysiu,

I would be happy to do some work on the typing of this database. Let me contact
me of-line and let me know details.

Basia Charuba
Barrie ON Canada

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...> wrote:
>
>
> Because we want to make each name a part of our database.
>
> Sorry, I should have added that this would make the list a searchable one.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Krystyna
>
>
>
>
> From: Chris W
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 1:31 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to
Iran 1942
>
>   Krystyna rather than type out that entire list why not just scan those pages
again in a better resolution, its already in a good format.
>
> Might be a lot easier than typing. Just my 2 cents.
> Chris.......
> Calgary
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to
Iran 1942
>
>
>
> Dear Beata,
>
> We have an ongoing project planned, to retype the list into a much better
format, but sadly have had few volunteers come forward to assist with this
mammoth task.  In the interim, while we continue searching for willing helpers,
viewing the original list on the Sikorski Museum site may be the better choice.
Go to  http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf
>
> Kind regards,
> Krystyna
> Winnipeg, Canada
> From: Beata Hanks
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to
Iran 1942
>
>
> Dear Halina
>
>
> Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new
site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small
print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making
it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a
magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for
relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Beata Hanks
> Melton Mowbray UK
>
> From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran
1942
>
>
>
> To all interested in the following list:
>
> The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be
accessed through the Hall of Memories here:
>
>
http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-\
and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en
>
> Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called – List
of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Halina (NZ)
>

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#53280 From: Simone Kaptur <simonekaptur@...>
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:10 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		simonekaptur
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I would also be willing to assist. 

Simone (uk)


On 25 Nov 2012, at 18:55, "BARBARA" <charubab@...> wrote:

 

Krysiu,

I would be happy to do some work on the typing of this database. Let me contact me of-line and let me know details.

Basia Charuba
Barrie ON Canada

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...> wrote:
>
>
> Because we want to make each name a part of our database.
>
> Sorry, I should have added that this would make the list a searchable one.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Krystyna
>
>
>
>
> From: Chris W
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 1:31 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
>
> Krystyna rather than type out that entire list why not just scan those pages again in a better resolution, its already in a good format.
>
> Might be a lot easier than typing. Just my 2 cents.
> Chris.......
> Calgary
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> From: Krystyna Szypowska <kms0902@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
>
>
>
> Dear Beata,
>
> We have an ongoing project planned, to retype the list into a much better format, but sadly have had few volunteers come forward to assist with this mammoth task. In the interim, while we continue searching for willing helpers, viewing the original list on the Sikorski Museum site may be the better choice. Go to http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf
>
> Kind regards,
> Krystyna
> Winnipeg, Canada
> From: Beata Hanks
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 12:19 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
>
>
> Dear Halina
>
>
> Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable. I know that they are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision. I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail. As it is now, I can longer search for relatives etc. I did leave similar comments on the site.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Beata Hanks
> Melton Mowbray UK
>
> From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
>
>
>
> To all interested in the following list:
>
> The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:
>
> http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en
>
> Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called – List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Halina (NZ)
>


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#53281 From: "LenardaSzymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:51 pm
Subject: off topic - Polish Christmas Global Events 		lenardaszymczak
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Sydney, Australia  - http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/415900_360307050667674_312264332_o.jpg  programme - http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=62&ved=0CDMQFjABODw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polishpicnic.net%2Fprogramme.htm&ei=T6qyUMmUNIqbiQf8vIGgAw&usg=AFQjCNEjh8Ll_1tfobdhCsoBPtF4lkPS_g&cad=rja

Poles in Australia  - http://www.facebook.com/poles.au

facebook site        - http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEEQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpolishchristmasfestival&ei=sqGyUJX3L4KkigefuoCQAw&usg=AFQjCNE4wW5-v94Q_ZWsZUXGWKCWIwkTwQ

When:Sun 2 Dec, 11:00am–6:00pm 

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Where: Tumbalong Park, Tumbalong Park, Darling Harbour, Sydney

Restrictions: All Ages

Ticket Information:

  • Admission: Free

Website:

Event listed by: eva2

Every year on the first Sunday of December, Tumbalong Park in Darling Harbour is filled with festivities, food and performances – Polish style!

This year’s Polish Christmas Picnic festival is set to be even bigger than ever before with several special guests - Channel 10’s Breakfast weather presenter Magdalena Roze, celebrity chefs and winners of My Kitchen Rules in 2011 Sammy and Bella as well as Polish actress Gosia Dobrowolska are some of the many attendees of this year’s highly anticipated picnic.

Stalls selling pierogi (Polish dumplings), kielbasa (sausage), placki (potato pancakes) and ciasta (cakes) will be available, as well as barista coffee for the caffeine fiends among us!

For the adults – a beer garden will be serving up all kinds of Polish beer! There will be entertainment all day long including traditional Polish Folkloric dancing and singing, Christmas carols, cabaret and a lottery.

The day is open for everyone, so come down and experience a taste of Poland in our own Darling Harbour.

ALSO on the other side of the Globe.

AMERICAN POLISH CULTURAL CENTRE - http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CEwQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanpolishcenter.com%2Ftraditional-polish-christmas-buffet-sunday-december-9-2012-2%2F&ei=sqGyUJX3L4KkigefuoCQAw&usg=AFQjCNE3mQgcfYW2pxp0xp-70ou4keVIng&cad=rja  


CHRISTMAS IN TEUTONIC CASTLE IN RYN  (POLAND)  - December 23-26 2012 http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CC4QFjAAOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.excitingpoland.com%2Fen%2Fk1-717%2Fk2-861%2Findex.html&ei=yKWyUKe4NuqwiQf06oGoAw&usg=AFQjCNGmGC3MWTqs-vXNvyH8DYJWAhEFgA&cad=rja

Cracow's Christmas Market | Krakow Markets http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CD4QFjADOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cracow-life.com%2Fpoland%2Fkrakow-christmas-market&ei=yKWyUKe4NuqwiQf06oGoAw&usg=AFQjCNF4TxxEfK0VXoMqobIH46eHEyjmsQ&cad=rja

Christmas Markets - Chopin Express Tours (Poland) - http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=106&ved=0CEwQFjAFOGQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chopintours.com%2Fpdf%2F2012-Christmas-Markets.pdf&ei=o6yyUKfFLMetiAenyYGIAw&usg=AFQjCNFzsnuZ3GWIE0gCm0Xnq3Vmuz17-g&cad=rja

Traditional Polish Christmas Workshops - Auckland NZ - http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=34&ved=0CHIQFjANOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eventfinder.co.nz%2F2012%2Ftraditional-polish-christmas-workshops%2Fauckland%2Fhowick&ei=QaeyUNy_DuqZiQf5p4Fo&usg=AFQjCNGXmP0xpwunvhunu3et5mQQMyPJ5A&cad=rja

Association of Polish Knights of Malta UK - http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=35&ved=0CEcQFjAEOB4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apkmuk.co.uk%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D99%26Itemid%3D134&ei=WqiyUNbgGquviQerwYHQAg&usg=AFQjCNHNxXDmFi-vVMLKvdB0k2weMKUTAg&cad=rja

 

Warmest wishes

Lenarda, Australia

 

 

 


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#53282 From: "Elzunia/Elizabeth Gradosielska/Maczka" <elzunia@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:53 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		elzuniao
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I do have copies of the lists from the old Memorial Gallery - if anyone wants
access let me know.
elzunia(at)alimail.net
pozdrowienia
Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
Alingsås, Sweden


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Beata Hanks <beatahanks@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Halina
>
> Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new
site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small
print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making
it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a
magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for
relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.
>
> Regards
>
> Beata Hanks
> Melton Mowbray UK
>  
> From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran
1942
>
>
>  
> To all interested in the following list:
>
> The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be
accessed through the Hall of Memories here:
>
>
http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-\
and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en
>
> Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called " List of
Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Halina (NZ)
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#53283 From: Julian Plowy <jayplowy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:30 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		julek2205
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Does anyone know if the list from n-z isavailableanywhere?

From the note that is located on that site it states that the list from n-z is not part of theinformationthat has been published so far.

Julek

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Elzunia/Elizabeth Gradosielska/Maczka <elzunia@...> wrote:

I do have copies of the lists from the old Memorial Gallery - if anyone wants access let me know.
elzunia(at)alimail.net
pozdrowienia
Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
Alingsås, Sweden



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Beata Hanks <beatahanks@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Halina
>
> Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I know that  they are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.

>
> Regards
>
> Beata Hanks
> Melton Mowbray UK
>  
> From: halinamcd <redcube@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
>
>
>  
> To all interested in the following list:
>
> The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:
>
> http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en
>
> Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called " List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian Refugees Only!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Halina (NZ)
>



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#53284 From: Eva Dryanski <ebard55@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:13 am
Subject: Re: List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		ebard55
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Hello,
In looking over the list I have several concerns.  Some names appear to be missing, judging from the birth dates given there appear to be no records of children and some names are misspelled.  Copying the list is important but perhaps a statement can be made so that readers are aware of this.
Regards,
Ewa D. - Nevada


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#53286 From: "Mark and Oyun" <mark_oyun@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:19 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		mark_oyun
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Dear Julek, Perhaps this will help:

1.       List of Polish families (civilians) evacuated from the USSR in August 1942. A E

       Here: http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf

2.       List of Polish families (civilians) evacuated from the USSR in August 1942. F M

      Here: http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_297.pdf

Note: the Archives do not hold similar volumes covering letters N - Z. It may be that they were never published. There is no copy known to exist.

3.       List of families with members serving in the Polish Armed Forces deported to the USSR (Arranged alphabetically in four files, each file having a brief supplement at its end and the fifth file being a supplement to the whole alphabet.)

              Here: http://pism.co.uk/Docs/SpisRodzin.pdf

4.       LIST of Polish evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! CIVILIAN REFUGEES ONLY!

As Published in "Polski Walczecej" Full A-Z. (As previously mentioned now hard to read). Not the same list as 1 and 2 above.

 

Here: http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/list-of-polish-evacuees-from-the-ussr-to-iran-in-1942-nb-civilian-refugees-only/page/4/?lang=en

 

5.       Red Cross LIST of Polish refugees sent to Africa and beyond

Here: http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/red-cross-list-of-polish-refugees-sent-to-africa-and-beyond/?lang=en

 

 

Regards, Mark Ostrowski

 

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Julian Plowy <jayplowy@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the list from n-z is available anywhere?
>
> From the note that is located on that site it states that the list from n-z
> is not part of the information that has been published so far.
>
> Julek
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Elzunia/Elizabeth Gradosielska/Maczka <
> elzunia@... wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I do have copies of the lists from the old Memorial Gallery - if anyone
> > wants access let me know.
> > elzunia(at)alimail.net
> > pozdrowienia
> > Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
> > Alingsås, Sweden
> >
> >
> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Beata Hanks beatahanks@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Halina
> > >
> > > Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to
> > the new site, they have become virtually unreadable. I know that they
> > are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the
> > fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20
> > vision. I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail. As it is
> > now, I can longer search for relatives etc. I did leave similar comments
> > on the site.
> >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Beata Hanks
> > > Melton Mowbray UK
> > >
> > > From: halinamcd redcube@
> >
> > > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
> > > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR
> > to Iran 1942
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To all interested in the following list:
> > >
> > > The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can
> > now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:
> > >
> > >
> > http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en
> > >
> > > Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called "
> > List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian
> > Refugees Only!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Halina (NZ)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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#53287 From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:31 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		godanford
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I am sure that the Sikorski Institute would have it, if it existed at all.

My guess is that these two lists were created by British Army clerks
from information provided by the refugees. Names are duplicated and
birth years are sometimes wrong (evidently the women sometimes took the
opportunity to make up for the years lost in exile, adding a few or
several digits to their birth year!). To me, they just have the
appearance of the work of English-speaking enlisted men.

If they originated with the British Army, that one list is missing is
less surprising than if they had come out of (say) the Polish Embassy in
Tehran.  - Dan Ford US

On 11/25/2012 8:30 PM, Julian Plowy wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the list from n-z is available anywhere?
>
>
> From the note that is located on that site it states that the list
> from n-z is not part of the information that has been published so far.
>
> Julek
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Elzunia/Elizabeth Gradosielska/Maczka
> <elzunia@... <mailto:elzunia@...>> wrote:
>
>     I do have copies of the lists from the old Memorial Gallery - if
>     anyone wants access let me know.
>     elzunia(at)alimail.net <http://alimail.net>
>     pozdrowienia
>     Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
>     Alingsås, Sweden
>
>
>
>     --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>, Beata Hanks
>     <beatahanks@...> wrote:
>     >
>     > Dear Halina
>     >
>     > Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy
>     site to the new site, they have become virtually unreadable.  I
>     know that  they are in small print but now when I use the zoom,
>     the larger I go, the fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly
>     not all of us have 20/20 vision.  I even purchased a magnifying
>     glass but to no avail.  As it is now, I can longer search for
>     relatives etc.  I did leave similar comments on the site.
>
>     >
>     > Regards
>     >
>     > Beata Hanks
>     > Melton Mowbray UK
>     > 
>     > From: halinamcd <redcube@...>
>
>     > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
>     > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org <http://www.Kresy-Siberia.org>]
>     List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942
>     >
>     >
>     > 
>     > To all interested in the following list:
>     >
>     > The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in
>     1942 can now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:
>     >
>     >
>    
http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-\
and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en
>     >
>     > Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called
>     " List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB!
>     Civilian Refugees Only!
>     >
>     > Kind regards
>     >
>     > Halina (NZ)
>     >
>
>
>

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#53288 From: Julian Plowy <jayplowy@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran 1942 		julek2205
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Thank you Mark
Julek

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Mark and Oyun <mark_oyun@...> wrote:


Dear Julek, Perhaps this will help:

1. List of Polish families (civilians) evacuated from the USSR in August 1942. A E

Here: http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_296.pdf

2. List of Polish families (civilians) evacuated from the USSR in August 1942. F M

Here: http://pism.co.uk/Docs/KOL%20138_297.pdf

Note: the Archives do not hold similar volumes covering letters N - Z. It may be that they were never published. There is no copy known to exist.

3. List of families with members serving in the Polish Armed Forces deported to the USSR (Arranged alphabetically in four files, each file having a brief supplement at its end and the fifth file being a supplement to the whole alphabet.)

Here: http://pism.co.uk/Docs/SpisRodzin.pdf

4. LIST of Polish evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! CIVILIAN REFUGEES ONLY!

As Published in "Polski Walczecej" Full A-Z. (As previously mentioned now hard to read). Not the same list as 1 and 2 above.

Here: http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/list-of-polish-evacuees-from-the-ussr-to-iran-in-1942-nb-civilian-refugees-only/page/4/?lang=en

5. Red Cross LIST of Polish refugees sent to Africa and beyond

Here: http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/red-cross-list-of-polish-refugees-sent-to-africa-and-beyond/?lang=en

Regards, Mark Ostrowski

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Julian Plowy <jayplowy@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the list from n-z is available anywhere?
>
> From the note that is located on that site it states that the list from n-z
> is not part of the information that has been published so far.
>
> Julek
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Elzunia/Elizabeth Gradosielska/Maczka <
> elzunia@... wrote:
>
> > **

> >
> >
> > I do have copies of the lists from the old Memorial Gallery - if anyone
> > wants access let me know.
> > elzunia(at)alimail.net
> > pozdrowienia
> > Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
> > Alingsås, Sweden
> >
> >
> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Beata Hanks beatahanks@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Halina
> > >
> > > Since the lists of evacuees were moved from our original Kresy site to
> > the new site, they have become virtually unreadable. I know that they
> > are in small print but now when I use the zoom, the larger I go, the
> > fuzzier the print making it unreadable, sadly not all of us have 20/20
> > vision. I even purchased a magnifying glass but to no avail. As it is
> > now, I can longer search for relatives etc. I did leave similar comments
> > on the site.
> >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Beata Hanks
> > > Melton Mowbray UK
> > >
> > > From: halinamcd redcube@
> >
> > > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, 23 November 2012, 23:13
> > > Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR
> > to Iran 1942
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To all interested in the following list:
> > >
> > > The List of Civilian Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942 can
> > now be accessed through the Hall of Memories here:
> > >
> > >
> > http://kresy-siberia.org/hom/element/evacuation-from-ussr-to-persiairan-in-1942-and-later-to-other-places/?lang=en
> > >
> > > Click on the second item (top row / second box from left) called "
> > List of Polish Evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942. NB! Civilian
> > Refugees Only!
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Halina (NZ)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



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#53289 From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:51 pm
Subject: Pilsudski tomb in Wilno vandalized 		john.halucha
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http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/119547,Vilnius-promises-surveillance-after-Pilsudski-tomb-profanation

Vilnius promises surveillance after Pilsudski tomb profanation

25.11.2012 16:18
Authorities in Vilnius have pledged to introduce surveillance after a tomb with the heart of Polish independence hero Marshal Jozef Pilsudski was profaned in the Lithuanian capital.
The
The Pilsudski tomb, Rossa Cemetery: photo - wikipedia
“Polish ambassador Janusz Skolimowski has received a promise from the authorities in Vilnius concerning the introduction of surveillance at the Rossa Cemetery,” confirmed Foreign Ministry spokesman Marcin Bosacki in an interview with the Polish Press Agency (PAP).
“Talks between the embassy and Vilnius authorities on technical matters concerning the surveillance will he held over the coming days,” he added.
On Saturday, unknown persons draped a banner over the tomb (which contains the remains of Jozef Pilsudski's mother and the marshal's heart). The banner threatened Waldemar Tomaszewski, leader of Polish minority political party The Electoral Action of Poles (LLRA).
LLRA won seats in the Lithuanian parliament for the first time in this autumn's elections (eight seats in all).
“Tomaszewski, if you do not stop harming Lithuania, you will end up here,” ran the wording on the banner covering the tomb.
A cardboard box next to the tomb carried the words “Attention bomb” and “Poles die.”
It is the second incident at the site this year, following an incident in June when it the tomb was splashed with red paint.
The Polish minority in Lithuania had been at odds with the outgoing government. Problems included reforms that weakened the autonomy of Polish minority schools, as well as disagreements about whether Poles should be entitled to use Polish spelling in official documents. Similarly, Poles claimed that there was bias against them in reclaiming property seized by the communists in the wake of the Second World War.
Jozef Pilsudski (1867-1935), the so-called “father of Polish independence” was born in lands that now belong to Lithuania.
In the wake of the First World War, the newly reborn Poland seized Vilnius – which at that time was numerically dominated by ethnic Poles – in October 1920.
Lithuania, which had itself re-emerged as a state, broke off diplomatic relations with Poland, only to re-establish them under pressure in 1938. (nh)

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#53290 From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm5@...>
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Pilsudski tomb in Wilno vandalized 		bwbm5...
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Sadly Russia did a lot of ethnic cleansing - first to Siberia, then to the Gdansk/Olsztyn area which had, before WW2  been lived in by Germanic people.The remaining Poles had a very tough time and seemingly still do. The Russian population in Lithuania is now very large and influential - or so we found when we visited. The Lithuanians we met were lovely.

Basia (UK)


On 26 Nov 2012, at 15:51, John Halucha wrote:

 


Vilnius promises surveillance after Pilsudski tomb profanation

25.11.2012 16:18
Authorities in Vilnius have pledged to introduce surveillance after a tomb with the heart of Polish independence hero Marshal Jozef Pilsudski was profaned in the Lithuanian capital.
The
The Pilsudski tomb, Rossa Cemetery: photo - wikipedia
╲Polish ambassador Janusz Skolimowski has received a promise from the authorities in Vilnius concerning the introduction of surveillance at the Rossa Cemetery,╡ confirmed Foreign Ministry spokesman Marcin Bosacki in an interview with the Polish Press Agency (PAP).
╲Talks between the embassy and Vilnius authorities on technical matters concerning the surveillance will he held over the coming days,╡ he added.
On Saturday, unknown persons draped a banner over the tomb (which contains the remains of Jozef Pilsudski's mother and the marshal's heart). The banner threatened Waldemar Tomaszewski, leader of Polish minority political party The Electoral Action of Poles (LLRA).
LLRA won seats in the Lithuanian parliament for the first time in this autumn's elections (eight seats in all).
╲Tomaszewski, if you do not stop harming Lithuania, you will end up here,╡ ran the wording on the banner covering the tomb.
A cardboard box next to the tomb carried the words ╲Attention bomb╡ and ╲Poles die.╡
It is the second incident at the site this year, following an incident in June when it the tomb was splashed with red paint.
The Polish minority in Lithuania had been at odds with the outgoing government. Problems included reforms that weakened the autonomy of Polish minority schools, as well as disagreements about whether Poles should be entitled to use Polish spelling in official documents. Similarly, Poles claimed that there was bias against them in reclaiming property seized by the communists in the wake of the Second World War.
Jozef Pilsudski (1867-1935), the so-called ╲father of Polish independence╡ was born in lands that now belong to Lithuania.
In the wake of the First World War, the newly reborn Poland seized Vilnius â•„ which at that time was numerically dominated by ethnic Poles â•„ in October 1920.
Lithuania, which had itself re-emerged as a state, broke off diplomatic relations with Poland, only to re-establish them under pressure in 1938. (nh)



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