Basically, you were dumped in Kazakhstan to survive as best you could.

The first stop I think was usually a collective farm. Many eventually

got out of the collective and into a town where they were able to rent a

hut or shed or room and work at whatever job was available, meanwhile

trading the clothes they'd brought with them for sustenance.



Much of the population of Kazakhstan died off or fled from the forced

collectivization of the 1930s. It therefore became a favored dumping

ground for Koreans, Poles, Germans, Ukrainians, and of course Russians

whom the NKVD wanted to get out of the way.



Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn was sentenced to a labor camp in Kazakhstan and

was later released into "free exile." He quipped that it was the same as

being in the Gulag except that you had to pay for your food. (He

actually slept the first few nights in the local jail and had to pay the

jailer to bring in something for him to eat.) However, he eventually got

a job as a teacher, so he fared all right.



-- Dan Ford, New Hampshire USA



On 5/31/2012 3:05 PM, Mark Turkiewicz wrote:

> the concept of 'free exiles'?

Hi Folks



My dad was in the Jozef Pilsudski Military School in Lwow (Batory Street) before

the war. He had just obtained his school certificate in 1939 when war broke out.

He was deported as with others from Lwow on 13 April 1940 4 days after his

father was arrested, and sent to Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan. My understanding

is that he wasn't conscripted into Anders Army but went after "amnesty" to find

a recruitment point. I'm not entirely sure where he went to but I know my

grandmother went to Tockoje to join up after she left the camp. I have a map on

the K-S Memorial Gallery under my  grandmother's name, Stanislawa which has

three sites circled which I think may be recruitment points (must get around to

translating them).



Konrad, was your Dad in the same military school?



Louise Blazejowska

Sydney, Australia



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Mark Turkiewicz <turkiewiczm@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks Dan. I think you may have properly re-directed me. I do know my dads

mom was in Kazak for sure so he probably was too. I also think it makes sense

that he wasnt a POW because he was probably too young. I had thought that after

killing his father in March-Apr 1940, that the murdered men's families were then

made to disappear in Siberia. I probably didnt make the distinction between

"POW" and "civilian" since everyone seems like a POW in these stories.

> With what clues I have picked up today, I will re-group my thoughts. Sometimes

I am getting confused because I search for both my dad and his dad at the same

time.

> Grandad is on Ukraine list, dad made it to Anders, then Italy, Scotland where

I was born, then Canada.

> Was there an enlistment station in Kazakhstan in April 42? Are you aware of a

list of camps? Grandma is on a list that went to selo-novo aleksiejewka

Kustanskaja Obl.

>

> Mark Turkiewicz

> Canada

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>  From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:36:38 AM

> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Lwow Military School

>

>

>

>  

>

> It sounds to me that your dad enlisted as a "free exile" in which case

> he was probably in Kazakhstan and found the army the same way the

> civilians did, rather than as a prisoner of war released from prison

> camp. April 1942 was the date of the first exodus of military and

> civilians across the Caspian to Persia. It may seem a long time after

> amnesty, but the army was training in the Soviet Union and the civilians

> were either staying put, finding a safer place to get through the

> winter, or camping out on the periphery of the army training camps. The

> decision to move the army outside the SU under British command was not

> taken for some time and had to wait upon the coup that deposed the shah

> and allowed British, American, and Red Army troops to effectively occupy

> Persia.

>

> (That said, it is also true that some civilian young men joined the

> Anders army in 1941.)

>

> It doesn't necessarily follow that because your dad was a "cadet" in

> Lwow before the war, that he was conscripted or volunteered before the

> war. And if he did enlist and serve in September (Lwow was defended

> against the German army by an ad hoc force of local military, soldiers

> who had retreated from the west, and armed civilians) the records in

> Warsaw probably don't reflect that fact. If he wasn't in uniform on

> September 17, he wouldn't have been swept up by the NKVD and could have

> melted into the civilian population until deported, probably in April

> 1940 if my hunch is correct.

>

> (As for conscription, I don't know. It was true that all university

> graduates were commissioned in Polish service, but that would not have

> applied to a military high school. As I mentioned, the young man whose

> history I am familiar with was sent to Torun for three years further

> training/education, perhaps something like Sandhurst or West Point. His

> father was a colonel at Torun in 1927 when he graduated from Lwow's

> military high school.)

>

> Just a thought! -- Dan Ford, New Hampshire USA

>

> On 5/30/2012 9:25 PM, Mark Turkiewicz wrote:

> > Thanks Konrad. If there was mandatory service, I wonder if it would be

> > at age 18.

> > I am also exploring another fact about my father. His MOD records

> > state that his original enlistment in USSR after amnesty was with

> > Regiment Zap. Spec. O, Org A, on Apr 28, 1942. He misstated his age to

> > qualify. I am trying to determine where he enlisted and where he had

> > been as there are family rumors of escape and long travel by the time

> > he got to Persia. I dont even know if he took a boat, or if he was

> > aided by the Polish underground who did organize some of these trips.

> > The fact it was so long after the amnesty seems unusual.

> > Mark Turkiewicz

> > Canada

> >

> > *From:* Konrad Wraczynski <konsim1@...>

> > *To:* Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:09:07 PM

> > *Subject:* [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Lwow Military School

> >

> > 

> > Was national service a Polish government policy during the years prior

> > to the breakout of World War 2?

> > If so, would national service personnel from Lwow have attended the

> > Lwow Military School?

> > Thanks.

> > Konrad Wraczynski

> > Adelaide.

> > South Australia.

> >

> >     ----- Original Message -----

> >     *From:* Dan Ford <mailto:cub06h@...>

> >     *To:* Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> >     <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>

> >     *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:41 PM

> >     *Subject:* Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] POW Camp 1939 Szepetowce

> >     - Polish Soldiers recount

> >

> >     I think but am not certain that that would apply to students at a

> >     military high school. I have followed the career of a young man who

> >     graduated from the Lwow military school in 1927. He then went to

> >     Torun

> >     for three further years of education and training before being

> >     commissioned a lieutenant in the Polish army. -- Dan Ford, New

> >     Hampshire USA

> >

> >     On 5/30/2012 7:44 AM, Mark Turkiewicz wrote:

> >     > Can anyone tell me about cadet corps #1 Lviv?

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

----- Original Message -----

From: l.blazejowska

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 8:35 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: Lwow Military School

 

Hi Folks

My dad was in the Jozef Pilsudski Military School in Lwow (Batory Street) before the war. He had just obtained his school certificate in 1939 when war broke out.
He was deported as with others from Lwow on 13 April 1940 4 days after his father was arrested, and sent to Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan. My understanding is that he wasn't conscripted into Anders Army but went after "amnesty" to find a recruitment point. I'm not entirely sure where he went to but I know my grandmother went to Tockoje to join up after she left the camp. I have a map on the K-S Memorial Gallery under my grandmother's name, Stanislawa which has three sites circled which I think may be recruitment points (must get around to translating them).

Konrad, was your Dad in the same military school?

Louise Blazejowska
Sydney, Australia

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Mark Turkiewicz <turkiewiczm@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Dan. I think you may have properly re-directed me. I do know my dads mom was in Kazak for sure so he probably was too. I also think it makes sense that he wasnt a POW because he was probably too young. I had thought that after killing his father in March-Apr 1940, that the murdered men's families were then made to disappear in Siberia. I probably didnt make the distinction between "POW" and "civilian" since everyone seems like a POW in these stories.
> With what clues I have picked up today, I will re-group my thoughts. Sometimes I am getting confused because I search for both my dad and his dad at the same time.
> Grandad is on Ukraine list, dad made it to Anders, then Italy, Scotland where I was born, then Canada.
> Was there an enlistment station in Kazakhstan in April 42? Are you aware of a list of camps? Grandma is on a list that went to selo-novo aleksiejewka Kustanskaja Obl.
>
> Mark Turkiewicz
> Canada
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:36:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Lwow Military School
>
>
>
>  
>
> It sounds to me that your dad enlisted as a "free exile" in which case
> he was probably in Kazakhstan and found the army the same way the
> civilians did, rather than as a prisoner of war released from prison
> camp. April 1942 was the date of the first exodus of military and
> civilians across the Caspian to Persia. It may seem a long time after
> amnesty, but the army was training in the Soviet Union and the civilians
> were either staying put, finding a safer place to get through the
> winter, or camping out on the periphery of the army training camps. The
> decision to move the army outside the SU under British command was not
> taken for some time and had to wait upon the coup that deposed the shah
> and allowed British, American, and Red Army troops to effectively occupy
> Persia.
>
> (That said, it is also true that some civilian young men joined the
> Anders army in 1941.)
>
> It doesn't necessarily follow that because your dad was a "cadet" in
> Lwow before the war, that he was conscripted or volunteered before the
> war. And if he did enlist and serve in September (Lwow was defended
> against the German army by an ad hoc force of local military, soldiers
> who had retreated from the west, and armed civilians) the records in
> Warsaw probably don't reflect that fact. If he wasn't in uniform on
> September 17, he wouldn't have been swept up by the NKVD and could have
> melted into the civilian population until deported, probably in April
> 1940 if my hunch is correct.
>
> (As for conscription, I don't know. It was true that all university
> graduates were commissioned in Polish service, but that would not have
> applied to a military high school. As I mentioned, the young man whose
> history I am familiar with was sent to Torun for three years further
> training/education, perhaps something like Sandhurst or West Point. His
> father was a colonel at Torun in 1927 when he graduated from Lwow's
> military high school.)
>
> Just a thought! -- Dan Ford, New Hampshire USA
>
> On 5/30/2012 9:25 PM, Mark Turkiewicz wrote:
> > Thanks Konrad. If there was mandatory service, I wonder if it would be
> > at age 18.
> > I am also exploring another fact about my father. His MOD records
> > state that his original enlistment in USSR after amnesty was with
> > Regiment Zap. Spec. O, Org A, on Apr 28, 1942. He misstated his age to
> > qualify. I am trying to determine where he enlisted and where he had
> > been as there are family rumors of escape and long travel by the time
> > he got to Persia. I dont even know if he took a boat, or if he was
> > aided by the Polish underground who did organize some of these trips.
> > The fact it was so long after the amnesty seems unusual.
> > Mark Turkiewicz
> > Canada
> >
> > *From:* Konrad Wraczynski <konsim1@...>
> > *To:* Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:09:07 PM
> > *Subject:* [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Lwow Military School
> >
> > 
> > Was national service a Polish government policy during the years prior
> > to the breakout of World War 2?
> > If so, would national service personnel from Lwow have attended the
> > Lwow Military School?
> > Thanks.
> > Konrad Wraczynski
> > Adelaide.
> > South Australia.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Dan Ford <mailto:cub06h@...>
> > *To:* Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:41 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] POW Camp 1939 Szepetowce
> > - Polish Soldiers recount
> >
> > I think but am not certain that that would apply to students at a
> > military high school. I have followed the career of a young man who
> > graduated from the Lwow military school in 1927. He then went to
> > Torun
> > for three further years of education and training before being
> > commissioned a lieutenant in the Polish army. -- Dan Ford, New
> > Hampshire USA
> >
> > On 5/30/2012 7:44 AM, Mark Turkiewicz wrote:
> > > Can anyone tell me about cadet corps #1 Lviv?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi Stephanie & All



There are records which I will post up when I  can find where I have saved them.

I don't have my Lwow maps as I have loaned them to someone who is in Lwow at the

moment so I can't send you the exact address of the school but I know it was in

Batory Street which is also where my father and his family lived.

The Director in 1938 was Dr Eugeniusz Wawrzkowicz. Dad said it was very strict,

which was why he was sent there (I don't think he liked discipline and because

he was the son of an aristocratic family). He hated having his head shaved and

early each morning they had to get up and do military exercises outside,

including in winter. I have his school certificate which shows he learnt

religion, Polish, French, German, history, geography, maths, philosophy, natural

science, physics, combat, bayonetting, artillery and a whole lot of other

subjects (happy to send you his certificate so you can see). I know he also did

fencing.

The story my father told was that he was not an enthusiastic student and the

Director threatened to expel him. My grandfather and the Director did a deal

whereby the Director agreed to give him his leaving certificate if my

grandfather pulled him out of the school. The war took care of the rest of his

education.

I have his school diary from 1938. They had penfriends in the US. He's written

down a whole list of American and British car brands (Packards and Buicks

feature a few times), there's a diagram of the dashboard of a car,a number of

names who may be his classmates with the name of the town where they cam from (I

recognise two of them who were friends later in life), maths sums etc.

He writes to his penpal in English "My dear friend, Thank you for your letter

very much. I know you write that letter with your friend Edwin Winkler. Our city

is large, its name is Lwow. It has 550,000 people. wow lies in Ost Poland.

POland is as large as Texas State. The capital of Poland is Warsaw, it has

2,5000,000 inhabitants. Warsaw is as large as Detroit. The president of Poland

is Prof Ignacy Moscicki.I like to play football. I am the cadet. We learn only

French and German. I speak English very badly. We have in the school four

aeroplanes. We were for two weeks at Rom and at Budapest. My father is the

lawyer. I have no sister and no brother. I like the American book of Mark Twain

it is Tom Sawyer. My friend write the letters French and English for you. Do you

hear concerning the match America ..." (I have trouble deciphering the rest).



Louise Blazejowska

Sydney, Australia



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Reeve <ssreeve@...> wrote:

>

> Hello -

> I just noticed this thread regarding the Lwow Military School.

> My father too was in the Jozef Pilsudski Military Academy in Lwow.

> He was not there long when the war broke out.  He and his two younger

> brothers stayed in Lwow with my grandfather, I believe through the winter, and

> then the boys were put on a train to Moscow, eventually making their way back

> to the U.S. via Odessa, Istanbul, through southern Europe and departing from

> Lisbon. . .my grandfather stayed in Lwow and disappeared after putting the

boys

> on a train out of the country (he had a Polish passport so could not leave.

The boys

> were on one American passport).

>

> But, what I'm interested in right now is more info regarding the Academy in

Lwow, as I

> have not been able to find out much about it. . . are there any records

remaining?

> You mentioned it was on Batory Street.  That is something I did not know.

> I would love to find some kind of record of my father's having been there.

> He is no longer living, so I cannot ask him.

> I'm also always hopeful I will find some record somewhere of what happened to

> my grandfather.  We assumed he was killed in Lwow, but he may also have been

> deported somewhere into Siberia. . . we have no idea as he was never heard

from

> again.

>

> Any additional information you could give me would be most appreciated!

>

> With Kind Regards,

> Stephanie

>

A wonderful letter. Thanks so much! I particularly enjoyed your comment

on the automobiles, especially the dashboard, just the sort of thing

that high-school boys used to obsess about, though I doubt they still do.



There is a very good online map of Lwow in the 1930s at



http://www.mapywig.org/m/City_plans/LWOW_30K_1932.jpg



Click on it to zoom in. -- Dan Ford, New Hampshire USA







On 6/2/2012 3:22 AM, l.blazejowska wrote:

>

> Hi Stephanie & All

>

> There are records which I will post up when I can find where I have

> saved them. I don't have my Lwow maps as I have loaned them to someone

> who is in Lwow at the moment so I can't send you the exact address of

> the school but I know it was in Batory Street which is also where my

> father and his family lived.

>

>

Hi Stephanie, Louise and all,

Noticed your posts on this very interesting subject and would like your

assistance to identify the members on the group photo or any information you

might like to share.



Not sure how long before they are approved to show up on our forum, but if you

wish to contact me privately I will happily share with you an enlarged format

which did not fit on this forum ;-)

Regards,

Krysia z Toronta



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Reeve <ssreeve@...> wrote:

>

> Hello -

> I just noticed this thread regarding the Lwow Military School.

> My father too was in the Jozef Pilsudski Military Academy in Lwow.

> He was not there long when the war broke out.  He and his two younger

> brothers stayed in Lwow with my grandfather, I believe through the winter, and

> then the boys were put on a train to Moscow, eventually making their way back

> to the U.S. via Odessa, Istanbul, through southern Europe and departing from

> Lisbon. . .my grandfather stayed in Lwow and disappeared after putting the

boys

> on a train out of the country (he had a Polish passport so could not leave.

The boys

> were on one American passport).

>

> But, what I'm interested in right now is more info regarding the Academy in

Lwow, as I

> have not been able to find out much about it. . . are there any records

remaining?

> You mentioned it was on Batory Street.  That is something I did not know.

> I would love to find some kind of record of my father's having been there.

> He is no longer living, so I cannot ask him.

> I'm also always hopeful I will find some record somewhere of what happened to

> my grandfather.  We assumed he was killed in Lwow, but he may also have been

> deported somewhere into Siberia. . . we have no idea as he was never heard

from

> again.

>

> Any additional information you could give me would be most appreciated!

>

> With Kind Regards,

> Stephanie

>

I had no idea that the history was so similar to Basia's. Perhaps they

were on the same train, though there were several that day.



Yes, very definitely, the April deportees were supposedly all relatives

of the condemned men. Though your grandfather was an active duty

soldier, he evidently wasn't a prisoner of war but was rounded up later.

Could it have been on the night of December 10? That's when Basia's

father was arrested. He was a reserve colonel. It's unclear what role he

played in the war, but obviously he was able to hide out either at home

or at another safe house until he was rounded up in December.



Basia's aunts and a cousin were also on that April 13 train. The cousin

wrote a memoir as a cadet in Anders Army in 1942, and he mentions the

December roundup. His father was a prisoner of the Germans (and survived

the war in good health though almost mad from boredom!) but the NKVD

found a Polish officer who was being hidden in the house, and arrested him.



So Colonel Deszberg and his son Lieutenant Deszberg were murdered at

Bykovnia and Katyn, respectively. Beria's order for the arrest of the

families specified immediate family as well as siblings etc IF they

lived in the same dwelling. However, the family's April deportees

included not only the colonel's wife and two daughters but also the

wife's two sisters and the son of one of them, plus a second grown son

of the colonel's, and the son's wife, and these two families lived

elsewhere in Lwow. So for father and son killed, there were eight

deportees. If 22,000 were murdered (some figures are higher), and if

everyone had four relatives (that is, the average of the Deszberg men,

father and son), then at least 88,000 people, mostly women and children,

were deported to Kazakhstan in April.



The deportation order can be seen at http://www.tinyurl.com/katyndoc

(document number 9). Have a hanky nearby!



take care - Dan



On 6/1/2012 6:24 PM, Eva Dryanski wrote:

> Hi Dan,

> You may have solved a family mystery. My parents were deported April

> 13, 1940 from Lwow. My father was arrested at the home of his father

> in Lwow. He was recuperating from wounds received near Kutno in the

> September campaign. My mother and her parents were arrested in Stryj.

> I assumed and probably should not have that they were deported because

> of my grandfathers position. However, he was not deported and I have

> proof that two of my mother's brothers were victims of the Katyn

> massacre. Wish I had been bold enough to ask more questions. Thankful,

> that the group has so many historians.

> Thanks - Ewa D - Nevada

>

Actually, I don't think it was required that the execution have been

carried out! It seems that they went on all through the spring. It does,

after all, require considerable time to kill and dispose of 22,000 human

beings, especially if you don't follow the German practice of machine

guns firing at people at the edge of a pit. The NKVD did indeed execute

their victims, one at a time, according to a very specific routine. From

the accounts, it seems that there was only one shooter working at each

site at any given time. (I apologize for being so clinical, but the NKVD

was ... clinical!)



It did occur to me when I traced the route of the April 13 train that

left Lwow bound for Ayaguz, that it actually went through Smolensk, as

best I could reconstruct the route (one of the passengers kept a log of

the towns she passed through, and this was published in her memoir of

"Siberia.") So some of the women on the train very likely passed within

a few miles of where their husbands had been imprisoned and perhaps

still were.



-- Dan Ford, New Hampshire USA



On 6/2/2012 7:41 PM, Mark Turkiewicz wrote:

> Dan, I am having a moment of re-focus with these documents. Grandma's

> camp is down to one of 5 in Kazahk.

> With the memo of March 22, it seems like 'supreme punishment' had not

> been meted out yet.They had 10 days to complete the prison transfer.

> (assume Kiev for my granddad, as he is in the grave at Bukovina

> according to latest news)

> So April 2nd is 10 days.

> April 10 is the deport memo for the families, which I assume they got

> to shortly after the executions.

> So between April 2 and 10th seems to be a logical period for the

> 'trials' and executions.

> I've been trying to establish an anniversary date of remembrance. I

> wish the creeps with the files would give me that much.

> For now I will continue to co-ordinate with Vimy Ridge Week.

> Thanks Dan

> Mark Turkiewicz

> Canada

>

> <

>

Dear Stephanie



I can't help but think our families must have known each other somehow given the

Lwow connection (our family grave is also in Lyczakow cemetary, in the front

row), Korpus Kadetow ect.



Unfortunately I can't seem to nail anything down. Had a look at the names in my

Dad's school diary but no luck.



The American penpals all have very American names and all come from Burlington.

I've looked up Burlington and for the life of me can't figure out what the

connection is.



I'll get on to finding the other links.



Louise Blazejowska

Sydney, Australia





--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Reeve <ssreeve@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Eva, Louise and Dan -

>

> Thank you so much for all of this wonderful information.  It really gives me a

much

> better idea of what the school was like when my father attended.

> As I said, I don't believe he was there long.  Apparently they were told not

to come to school

> when Lwow was invaded in Sept of 1939 and he never went back.  I'm not sure

when he entered the

> school and if he was there in 1938, or not.

> They (my grandfather, my father and his two brothers) went to Lwow in 1937 and

my father

> had to study Polish for about a year, I believe, before being admitted to the

Academy.

> Since my father was American, he and his brothers were probably a sort of

novelty to the children

> of Lwow and I'm wondering if they were ever mentioned in any of the

correspondence?

> A longshot, I know. . .

> Their names were:

> Jozef Szwarce - my grandfather

> Bruno (Bronislaw) Szwarce - my father

> Stefan Szwarce - my Uncle

> Henryk Szwarce - my Uncle

>

> The details of the time they spent in Lwow are not entirely clear as they are

all gone now and there is no-one to ask any more.

> Oh, how I wish I had asked more questions!

>

> A little more family history:

> My great-grandfather's name was also Bronislaw Schwarze (Szwarce) and there is

a monument to him, at

> his grave-site, in Lwow.  Here is a link to a photo of the monument:

>

>

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki\

/%25D0%25A4%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B9%25D0%25BB:Lwow-cmentarzLyczakowski-BronislawSzwa\

rce.jpg&ei=XDRSTv-rIMHF0AHdmOmOBQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ\

7gEwAg&prev=/search?q=Bronislawa+Szwarce&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&prmd=ivnsob

>

> He was considered a Polish hero, having fought in the January Uprising, spent

seven years in a Shlisselburg Fortress, an infamous prison in

> Russia, and then was exiled to Turkestan, and then to Siberia where at some

point he met Pilsudski.

> He married there and had three children, including my grandfather.

> After his wife's death in Siberia he was released and traveled back to Lwow

with the three children.  He later died there.  His two

> daughters ended up in Warsaw (I am searching for information on what happened

to them as well) and his son,

> my grandfather, immigrated to the United States, where he married and had two

daughters.  He was separated from

> his wife and children when he met my grandmother and had five children with

her, including my father. . .

> I recently located my grandfather's first wife's family and have been in

contact with them.  They had no idea that another

> family existed!  A fascinating turn!

> Then, in 1937, my grandfather returned to Poland with his three boys, leaving

my grandfather and two girls here in the states.

> That is when my father, at some point, entered the military academy in Lwow. .

.

>

> Its fascinating finding out bits of information and piecing it all together. .

. like a grand puzzle.

>

> All the Best,

> Stephanie (Szwarce) Reeve

>

Hi Stephanie



re: Korpus Kadetwo there is apparently a book written by Adam Popiel in 2003 but

it appears to be out of print.



Re: your grandfather I did a basic search on this site called Genealogy Indexer:

http://genealogyindexer.org/ and found some references. Have you seen these?



Louise Blazejowska

Sydney, Australia





--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Reeve <ssreeve@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Eva, Louise and Dan -

>

> Thank you so much for all of this wonderful information.  It really gives me a

much

> better idea of what the school was like when my father attended.

> As I said, I don't believe he was there long.  Apparently they were told not

to come to school

> when Lwow was invaded in Sept of 1939 and he never went back.  I'm not sure

when he entered the

> school and if he was there in 1938, or not.

> They (my grandfather, my father and his two brothers) went to Lwow in 1937 and

my father

> had to study Polish for about a year, I believe, before being admitted to the

Academy.

> Since my father was American, he and his brothers were probably a sort of

novelty to the children

> of Lwow and I'm wondering if they were ever mentioned in any of the

correspondence?

> A longshot, I know. . .

> Their names were:

> Jozef Szwarce - my grandfather

> Bruno (Bronislaw) Szwarce - my father

> Stefan Szwarce - my Uncle

> Henryk Szwarce - my Uncle

>

> The details of the time they spent in Lwow are not entirely clear as they are

all gone now and there is no-one to ask any more.

> Oh, how I wish I had asked more questions!

>

> A little more family history:

> My great-grandfather's name was also Bronislaw Schwarze (Szwarce) and there is

a monument to him, at

> his grave-site, in Lwow.  Here is a link to a photo of the monument:

>

>

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki\

/%25D0%25A4%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B9%25D0%25BB:Lwow-cmentarzLyczakowski-BronislawSzwa\

rce.jpg&ei=XDRSTv-rIMHF0AHdmOmOBQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ\

7gEwAg&prev=/search?q=Bronislawa+Szwarce&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&prmd=ivnsob

>

> He was considered a Polish hero, having fought in the January Uprising, spent

seven years in a Shlisselburg Fortress, an infamous prison in

> Russia, and then was exiled to Turkestan, and then to Siberia where at some

point he met Pilsudski.

> He married there and had three children, including my grandfather.

> After his wife's death in Siberia he was released and traveled back to Lwow

with the three children.  He later died there.  His two

> daughters ended up in Warsaw (I am searching for information on what happened

to them as well) and his son,

> my grandfather, immigrated to the United States, where he married and had two

daughters.  He was separated from

> his wife and children when he met my grandmother and had five children with

her, including my father. . .

> I recently located my grandfather's first wife's family and have been in

contact with them.  They had no idea that another

> family existed!  A fascinating turn!

> Then, in 1937, my grandfather returned to Poland with his three boys, leaving

my grandfather and two girls here in the states.

> That is when my father, at some point, entered the military academy in Lwow. .

.

>

> Its fascinating finding out bits of information and piecing it all together. .

. like a grand puzzle.

>

> All the Best,

> Stephanie (Szwarce) Reeve

>

Hi Louise



I've just looked at your link and my grandfather may be on the first item -

1935/36 business directory.  However I can't view the directory - what do you

suggest?



Frances





--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "l.blazejowska" <l.blazejowska@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Stephanie

>

> re: Korpus Kadetwo there is apparently a book written by Adam Popiel in 2003

but it appears to be out of print.

>

> Re: your grandfather I did a basic search on this site called Genealogy

Indexer: http://genealogyindexer.org/ and found some references. Have you seen

these?

>

> Louise Blazejowska

> Sydney, Australia

>

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Reeve <ssreeve@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Eva, Louise and Dan -

> >

> > Thank you so much for all of this wonderful information.  It really gives me

a much

> > better idea of what the school was like when my father attended.

> > As I said, I don't believe he was there long.  Apparently they were told not

to come to school

> > when Lwow was invaded in Sept of 1939 and he never went back.  I'm not sure

when he entered the

> > school and if he was there in 1938, or not.

> > They (my grandfather, my father and his two brothers) went to Lwow in 1937

and my father

> > had to study Polish for about a year, I believe, before being admitted to

the Academy.

> > Since my father was American, he and his brothers were probably a sort of

novelty to the children

> > of Lwow and I'm wondering if they were ever mentioned in any of the

correspondence?

> > A longshot, I know. . .

> > Their names were:

> > Jozef Szwarce - my grandfather

> > Bruno (Bronislaw) Szwarce - my father

> > Stefan Szwarce - my Uncle

> > Henryk Szwarce - my Uncle

> >

> > The details of the time they spent in Lwow are not entirely clear as they

are all gone now and there is no-one to ask any more.

> > Oh, how I wish I had asked more questions!

> >

> > A little more family history:

> > My great-grandfather's name was also Bronislaw Schwarze (Szwarce) and there

is a monument to him, at

> > his grave-site, in Lwow.  Here is a link to a photo of the monument:

> >

> >

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki\

/%25D0%25A4%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B9%25D0%25BB:Lwow-cmentarzLyczakowski-BronislawSzwa\

rce.jpg&ei=XDRSTv-rIMHF0AHdmOmOBQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ\

7gEwAg&prev=/search?q=Bronislawa+Szwarce&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&prmd=ivnsob

> >

> > He was considered a Polish hero, having fought in the January Uprising,

spent seven years in a Shlisselburg Fortress, an infamous prison in

> > Russia, and then was exiled to Turkestan, and then to Siberia where at some

point he met Pilsudski.

> > He married there and had three children, including my grandfather.

> > After his wife's death in Siberia he was released and traveled back to Lwow

with the three children.  He later died there.  His two

> > daughters ended up in Warsaw (I am searching for information on what

happened to them as well) and his son,

> > my grandfather, immigrated to the United States, where he married and had

two daughters.  He was separated from

> > his wife and children when he met my grandmother and had five children with

her, including my father. . .

> > I recently located my grandfather's first wife's family and have been in

contact with them.  They had no idea that another

> > family existed!  A fascinating turn!

> > Then, in 1937, my grandfather returned to Poland with his three boys,

leaving my grandfather and two girls here in the states.

> > That is when my father, at some point, entered the military academy in Lwow.

. .

> >

> > Its fascinating finding out bits of information and piecing it all together.

. . like a grand puzzle.

> >

> > All the Best,

> > Stephanie (Szwarce) Reeve

> >

>

PS for Lwow, that is.



Frances



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Frances" <frncsgts@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Louise

>

> I've just looked at your link and my grandfather may be on the first item -

1935/36 business directory.  However I can't view the directory - what do you

suggest?

>

> Frances

>

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "l.blazejowska" <l.blazejowska@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Stephanie

> >

> > re: Korpus Kadetwo there is apparently a book written by Adam Popiel in 2003

but it appears to be out of print.

> >

> > Re: your grandfather I did a basic search on this site called Genealogy

Indexer: http://genealogyindexer.org/ and found some references. Have you seen

these?

> >

> > Louise Blazejowska

> > Sydney, Australia

> >

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Stephanie Reeve <ssreeve@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Eva, Louise and Dan -

> > >

> > > Thank you so much for all of this wonderful information.  It really gives

me a much

> > > better idea of what the school was like when my father attended.

> > > As I said, I don't believe he was there long.  Apparently they were told

not to come to school

> > > when Lwow was invaded in Sept of 1939 and he never went back.  I'm not

sure when he entered the

> > > school and if he was there in 1938, or not.

> > > They (my grandfather, my father and his two brothers) went to Lwow in 1937

and my father

> > > had to study Polish for about a year, I believe, before being admitted to

the Academy.

> > > Since my father was American, he and his brothers were probably a sort of

novelty to the children

> > > of Lwow and I'm wondering if they were ever mentioned in any of the

correspondence?

> > > A longshot, I know. . .

> > > Their names were:

> > > Jozef Szwarce - my grandfather

> > > Bruno (Bronislaw) Szwarce - my father

> > > Stefan Szwarce - my Uncle

> > > Henryk Szwarce - my Uncle

> > >

> > > The details of the time they spent in Lwow are not entirely clear as they

are all gone now and there is no-one to ask any more.

> > > Oh, how I wish I had asked more questions!

> > >

> > > A little more family history:

> > > My great-grandfather's name was also Bronislaw Schwarze (Szwarce) and

there is a monument to him, at

> > > his grave-site, in Lwow.  Here is a link to a photo of the monument:

> > >

> > >

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki\

/%25D0%25A4%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B9%25D0%25BB:Lwow-cmentarzLyczakowski-BronislawSzwa\

rce.jpg&ei=XDRSTv-rIMHF0AHdmOmOBQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQ\

7gEwAg&prev=/search?q=Bronislawa+Szwarce&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&prmd=ivnsob

> > >

> > > He was considered a Polish hero, having fought in the January Uprising,

spent seven years in a Shlisselburg Fortress, an infamous prison in

> > > Russia, and then was exiled to Turkestan, and then to Siberia where at

some point he met Pilsudski.

> > > He married there and had three children, including my grandfather.

> > > After his wife's death in Siberia he was released and traveled back to

Lwow with the three children.  He later died there.  His two

> > > daughters ended up in Warsaw (I am searching for information on what

happened to them as well) and his son,

> > > my grandfather, immigrated to the United States, where he married and had

two daughters.  He was separated from

> > > his wife and children when he met my grandmother and had five children

with her, including my father. . .

> > > I recently located my grandfather's first wife's family and have been in

contact with them.  They had no idea that another

> > > family existed!  A fascinating turn!

> > > Then, in 1937, my grandfather returned to Poland with his three boys,

leaving my grandfather and two girls here in the states.

> > > That is when my father, at some point, entered the military academy in

Lwow. . .

> > >

> > > Its fascinating finding out bits of information and piecing it all

together. . . like a grand puzzle.

> > >

> > > All the Best,

> > > Stephanie (Szwarce) Reeve

> > >

> >

>

Was there only the one military school in Lwow? Online I find a gigantic

building that is identified as part of the Polytech University. Is that

the very same? -- Dan Ford, New Hampshire USA



On 6/4/2012 3:55 AM, l.blazejowska wrote:

> Korpus Kadetwo there is apparently a book written by Adam Popiel in

> 2003 but it appears to be out of print.

Just a small note that the place is (was) called Szepetowka. The title is "POW

Camp in Szepetowka".



Barbara Charuba

Barrie ON Canada



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...> wrote:

>

> A story by a Polish Soldier of captivity and escape from Soviets in 1939, from

behind THE CORDON/ZA KORDONEM/THE RIGA TREATY LINE OF 1921. In the town of

Szepetowce, original in Polish, converted to English by Google. With grateful

acknowledgement of Strony O Wolyniu for this information.

>

> OBÃ"Z JENIECKI W SZEPETÃ"WCE

>

>