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#49694

From: <kms0902@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 2:41 am
Subject: Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

Dear All,

I had the extreme pleasure of attending a lecture by Timothy Snyder on March 29th, and just wanted to mention to everyone that if he is ever in your area, I would highly recommend that you do all in your power to attend ! The man is fascinating to listen to, and I was truly sorry when the lecture ended. He explained how he came to write his book “Bloodlands” and the details he shared with us were extremely eye-opening.

I had the added pleasure of having exchanged emails with him prior to his visit to Winnipeg, where I had introduced him to the Kresy-Siberia Foundation and Virtual Museum project, and I also had the honour of having a brief conversation with him after the lecture. I was thrilled when he immediately recognized my name and remembered the content of our email exchange ! (The man obviously has an incredible memory). He promised to contact me again, and discuss these issues further, and then he signed my copy of “Bloodlands” with the following note: “To Krystyna with all good wishes and lots of luck with the project, Timothy Snyder”

Timothy Snyder in Winnipeg

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Kind regards,

Krystyna

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Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada

Executive Director, Kresy-Siberia Foundation - registered in Warsaw (KRS 0000326445)

Chair, Kresy-Siberia (Canada) Inc. - Federal Corporation (IC 767574-7)

Director, Kresy-Siberia (UK) - Registered Charity No. 1137210

www.Kresy-Siberia.org

"Established to inspire, promote and support research, remembrance

and recognition of Polish citizens’ struggles in the Eastern Borderlands

and in Exile during World War II."

#49695

From: Witold J Lukaszewski <wjlukaszewski@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 2:50 am
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

k130440

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Krysiu,

Congratulations on establishing a valuable contact. Correspond with him. Give him some time and then ask him if he had a chance to look at the KSVM. Would he have any suggestions regarding the content and/or the presentation of the material in the museum.

Again, well done.

Dobranoc,

Witek

On Mar 31, 2012, at 9:41 PM, <kms0902@...> <kms0902@...> wrote:

Dear All,

I had the extreme pleasure of attending a lecture by Timothy Snyder on March 29th, and just wanted to mention to everyone that if he is ever in your area, I would highly recommend that you do all in your power to attend ! The man is fascinating to listen to, and I was truly sorry when the lecture ended. He explained how he came to write his book �Bloodlands� and the details he shared with us were extremely eye-opening.

I had the added pleasure of having exchanged emails with him prior to his visit to Winnipeg, where I had introduced him to the Kresy-Siberia Foundation and Virtual Museum project, and I also had the honour of having a brief conversation with him after the lecture. I was thrilled when he immediately recognized my name and remembered the content of our email exchange ! (The man obviously has an incredible memory). He promised to contact me again, and discuss these issues further, and then he signed my copy of �Bloodlands� with the following note: �To Krystyna with all good wishes and lots of luck with the project, Timothy Snyder�

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Timothy Snyder in Winnipeg

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This album has 3 photos and will be available on SkyDrive until 29/06/2012.

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Kind regards,
Krystyna
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Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada
Executive Director, Kresy-Siberia Foundation - registered in Warsaw (KRS 0000326445)
Chair, Kresy-Siberia (Canada) Inc. - Federal Corporation (IC 767574-7)
Director, Kresy-Siberia (UK) - Registered Charity No. 1137210

www.Kresy-Siberia.org
"Established to inspire, promote and support research, remembrance
and recognition of Polish citizens� struggles in the Eastern Borderlands
and in Exile during World War II."

#49698

From: Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 9:41 am
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

helenbitner

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Thanks for sharing that with us Krystyna. I, as well as some other members of the group very much appreciate his book "Bloodlands". I have listened to his lectures on You Tube but would certainly love to have the opportunity to listen to him in person.

Kind regards

Helen Bitner

Colchester UK

On 1 Apr 2012, at 03:41, <kms0902@...> wrote:

Dear All,

I had the extreme pleasure of attending a lecture by Timothy Snyder on March 29th, and just wanted to mention to everyone that if he is ever in your area, I would highly recommend that you do all in your power to attend ! The man is fascinating to listen to, and I was truly sorry when the lecture ended. He explained how he came to write his book �Bloodlands� and the details he shared with us were extremely eye-opening.

I had the added pleasure of having exchanged emails with him prior to his visit to Winnipeg, where I had introduced him to the Kresy-Siberia Foundation and Virtual Museum project, and I also had the honour of having a brief conversation with him after the lecture. I was thrilled when he immediately recognized my name and remembered the content of our email exchange ! (The man obviously has an incredible memory). He promised to contact me again, and discuss these issues further, and then he signed my copy of �Bloodlands� with the following note: �To Krystyna with all good wishes and lots of luck with the project, Timothy Snyder�

<2087493421488EC5B6.png>

Timothy Snyder in Winnipeg

VIEW SLIDE SHOW DOWNLOAD ALL

This album has 3 photos and will be available on SkyDrive until 29/06/2012.

<19338689340211D5AE.png> <14723148666D20533A.png>

Kind regards,
Krystyna
-----
Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada
Executive Director, Kresy-Siberia Foundation - registered in Warsaw (KRS 0000326445)
Chair, Kresy-Siberia (Canada) Inc. - Federal Corporation (IC 767574-7)
Director, Kresy-Siberia (UK) - Registered Charity No. 1137210

www.Kresy-Siberia.org
"Established to inspire, promote and support research, remembrance
and recognition of Polish citizens� struggles in the Eastern Borderlands
and in Exile during World War II."

#49699

From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 10:34 am
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

godanford

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I think that Bloodlands is one of the foundation books about the Second

World War. It should be in every library that is serious about the

subject, and I would go out of my way to hear a talk by Mr. Snyder, even

if he weren't a great speaker! -- Dan Ford, New Hampshire USA



On 3/31/2012 10:41 PM, kms0902@... wrote:

> Dear All,

> I had the extreme pleasure of attending a lecture by Timothy Snyder on

> March 29th, and just wanted to mention to everyone that if he is ever

> in your area, I would highly recommend that you do all in your power

> to attend !   The man is fascinating to listen to, and I was truly

> sorry when the lecture ended.  He explained how he came to write his

> book “Bloodlands” and the details he shared with us were extremely

> eye-opening.

>

#49705

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 9:15 pm
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

basia@...

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Hi there

I was unaware of the group until a week ago, since then have seen "Officer's Wife" (In Sydney, Australia) and have joined mailing list.

I have just, moments ago, signed up with Yahoo

I am not sure how to post this in an open way.

My starting point is

How on earth do I find out which camp in Siberia my father, Jozef Zielinski, was interned.

I am almost 65 and he died when I was 10 (In Fairford, England)

I have a few stories which I have committed to my memory bank and his passing out soldier's book as well as birth certificate.

Please, can someone help me to begin.

I have observed the book Bloodlands mentioned many time in past couple of days, I gather that would give me impressions of what my father's experiences may have been

Kindly

Basia Zielinska (even though I am married I have not given up my father's name, to honour him)

Basia

From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
Reply-To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:34:40 -0400
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

#49706

From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

godanford

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I have noticed that the War generation--the men especially--often died

tragically young, in their fifties. The women seemed to fare better,

even though their experiences were often just as awful.



"Bloodlands" deals mostly with what Mr Snyder calls "the

borderlands"--primarily today's Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. It's a

great book, but it does not go deeply into the Siberiak experience.

Others can suggest books on that subject, but given that your dad was in

the army, General Anders's book "An Army in Exile" would be a good place

to start. Most research libraries seem to have it.



You will find that this group is a wonderful resource. -- Dan Ford, New

Hampshire USA



On 4/1/2012 5:15 PM, Basia wrote:

> I am almost 65 and he died when I was 10 (In Fairford, England)

#49707

From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 10:49 pm
Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

lenardaszymczak

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Hi Basia

Welcome, can you tell us a little about your family, like village/town where born? Year taken to Siberia? Mothers name? Your father full name and which army unit and location.

If you give us some information, you will be surprised how resourceful and intellectual this group is. If not trace your father directly, will be able to give you that starting point and continuous assistance.

Warmest regards

Lenarda

Sydney Australia, Niwna

Chmielewska/Swiecicka

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Basia
Sent: Monday, 02 April, 2012 7:15 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

Hi there

I was unaware of the group until a week ago, since then have seen "Officer's Wife" (In Sydney, Australia) and have joined mailing list.

I have just, moments ago, signed up with Yahoo

I am not sure how to post this in an open way.

My starting point is

How on earth do I find out which camp in Siberia my father, Jozef Zielinski, was interned.

I am almost 65 and he died when I was 10 (In Fairford, England)

I have a few stories which I have committed to my memory bank and his passing out soldier's book as well as birth certificate.

Please, can someone help me to begin.

I have observed the book Bloodlands mentioned many time in past couple of days, I gather that would give me impressions of what my father's experiences may have been

Kindly

Basia Zielinska (even though I am married I have not given up my father's name, to honour him)

Basia

From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
Reply-To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:34:40 -0400
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

#49718

From: CYNTHIA PUKIELLO <cynthiapukiello22@...>
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2012 9:31 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

cynthia134461

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Hello Basia,

Welcome to the our site where I am sure if you provide some info; re; your Father you will certainly be surprised like I have been & it may take a little time but well worth the effort.

Good luck.

Cynthia. Bolton .UK.

From: Lenarda Szymczak <szymczak01@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012, 23:49
Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

Hi Basia

Welcome, can you tell us a little about your family, like village/town where born? Year taken to Siberia? Mothers name? Your father full name and which army unit and location.

Warmest regards

Lenarda

Sydney Australia, Niwna

Chmielewska/Swiecicka

Hi there

I was unaware of the group until a week ago, since then have seen "Officer's Wife" (In Sydney, Australia) and have joined mailing list.

I have just, moments ago, signed up with Yahoo

I am not sure how to post this in an open way.

My starting point is

How on earth do I find out which camp in Siberia my father, Jozef Zielinski, was interned.

I am almost 65 and he died when I was 10 (In Fairford, England)

I have a few stories which I have committed to my memory bank and his passing out soldier's book as well as birth certificate.

Please, can someone help me to begin.

I have observed the book Bloodlands mentioned many time in past couple of days, I gather that would give me impressions of what my father's experiences may have been

Kindly

Basia Zielinska (even though I am married I have not given up my father's name, to honour him)

Basia

#49719

From: "ryszardsys" <ryszardsys@...>
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2012 9:43 am
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

ryszardsys

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Hello Basia,



You'll be suprised how easy it is to find out some basic information about your

father.  I had a quick look and there are 20 Jozef Zielinski's listed.  If you

have committed some facts to memory, it would be worth trying to recall things

like the place where he lived in Poland and the name of his father if possible,

then we can help trace the correct record and get you the right details.  If you

have his birth certificate, that should have all the details required.



Rys

UK



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, CYNTHIA PUKIELLO <cynthiapukiello22@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello Basia,

> Welcome to the our site where I am sure if you provide some info; re; your

Father you will certainly be surprised like I have been & it may take a little

time but well worth the effort.

> Good luck.

> Cynthia.  Bolton .UK.

>  

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Lenarda Szymczak <szymczak01@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012, 23:49

> Subject: RE: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture

in Winnipeg

>

>

>  

> Hi Basia

>  

> Welcome, can you tell us a little about your family, like village/town where

born? Year taken to Siberia? Mothers name?  Your father full name and which

army unit and location.

>  

> If you give us some information, you will be surprised how resourceful and

intellectual this group is.  If not trace your father directly, will be able to

give you that starting point and continuous assistance.

>  

> Warmest regards

> Lenarda

> Sydney Australia, Niwna

> Chmielewska/Swiecicka

>  

> From:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Basia

> Sent: Monday, 02 April, 2012 7:15 AM

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture

in Winnipeg

>  

>  

> Hi there

> I was unaware of the group until a week ago, since then have seen "Officer's

Wife" (In Sydney, Australia) and have joined mailing list.

> I have just, moments ago,  signed up with Yahoo

> I am not sure how to post this in an open way.

> My starting point is 

> How on earth do I find out which camp in Siberia my father, Jozef Zielinski,

was interned.

> I am almost 65 and he died when I was 10 (In Fairford, England)

> I have a few stories which I have committed to my memory bank and his passing

out soldier's book as well as birth certificate.

> Please, can someone help me to begin.

> I have observed the book Bloodlands mentioned many time in past couple of

days, I gather that would give me impressions of what my father's experiences

may have been

> Kindly

> Basia Zielinska (even though I am married I have not given up my father's

name, to honour him)

> -- 

>  

> Basia 

>  

>  

> From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>

> Reply-To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>

> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:34:40 -0400

> To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in

Winnipeg

>  

>

#49708

From: "JanZ" <janz@...>
Date: Sun Apr 1, 2012 11:44 pm
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

zajaczkowski...

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Basia

There are a number of J�zef Zielinski's listed on the Karta database. If you know your grandathers name or fathers date of birth then maybe you will identify one of these as your father. From that you will find where he was deported to. Details are available here:

http://www.indeks.karta.org.pl/pl/wyszukiwanie.jsp you need to enter the name including polish characters, otherwise it wont come up in the search, so paste it in from below.

Also the best book on the deportations is "Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing", as it has the stories of many of the deported, which gives a very good picture. The book is available here: http://www.veritasfoundation.co.uk/bookshop/

All the best

Janusz

Nazwisko	Imię	Imię ojca	Rok ur.	Symbol zestawienia
Zieliński	J�zef	Wojciecha	1892	Rozstrzelani w Charkowie
Zieliński	J�zef	Franciszka	1894	Rozstrzelani w Twerze
Zieliński	J�zef	Antoni	1918	Internowani w Borowiczach
Zieliński	J�zef	Tomasz	1893	Aresztowani na Białorusi i Ukrainie 1939-1941
Zieliński	J�zef	Wincenty	1919	Aresztowani na Białorusi i Ukrainie 1939-1941
Zieliński	J�zef	J�zef	1915	Jeńcy w Juży
Zieliński	J�zef	Teofil	1900	Jeńcy w Juży
Zieliński	J�zef	Tomasz	1894	Internowani na Uralu
Zieliński	J�zef	Feliks	1875	Deportowani w obwodzie wołogodzkim
Zieliński	J�zef	Roch	1905	Deportowani w obwodzie wołogodzkim
Zieliński	J�zef	Stanisław	1923	Deportowani w obwodzie wołogodzkim
Zieliński	J�zef	Antoni	1896	Deportowani w obwodzie wołogodzkim
Zieliński	J�zef	Adam	1895	Deportowani z obwodu tarnopolskiego
Zieliński	J�zef	Stanisław	1901	Deportowani z obwodu r�wieńskiego
Zieliński	J�zef	Jan	1893	Deportowani z obwodu wołyńskiego
Zieliński	J�zef	Stanisław	1932	Deportowani w Komi ASRR cz. 1
Zieliński	J�zef			Deportowani w obwodzie mołotowskim (permskim)
Zieliński	J�zef	Władysław	1925	Wywiezieni do Kaługi
Zieliński	J�zef			Indeks
Zieliński	J�zef	Antoni	1928	Indeks

----- Original Message -----

From: Basia

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:15 PM

Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

Hi there

I was unaware of the group until a week ago, since then have seen "Officer's Wife" (In Sydney, Australia) and have joined mailing list.

I have just, moments ago, signed up with Yahoo

I am not sure how to post this in an open way.

My starting point is

How on earth do I find out which camp in Siberia my father, Jozef Zielinski, was interned.

I am almost 65 and he died when I was 10 (In Fairford, England)

I have a few stories which I have committed to my memory bank and his passing out soldier's book as well as birth certificate.

Please, can someone help me to begin.

I have observed the book Bloodlands mentioned many time in past couple of days, I gather that would give me impressions of what my father's experiences may have been

Kindly

Basia Zielinska (even though I am married I have not given up my father's name, to honour him)

--

Basia

From: Dan Ford <cub06h@...>
Reply-To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:34:40 -0400
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Timothy Snyder lecture in Winnipeg

#49710

From: "wroblew705" <wroblew705@...>
Date: Mon Apr 2, 2012 1:41 am
Subject: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

wroblew705

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Hello again Basia. Once again Yahoo messed up the fonts so here's my message

again. Hope it reads better,if not just go to the link.



Hi Basi and welcome to the group. There are 53 ZIELINSKI's listed with the 3rd

Carpathian Rifle Division.

Web link  http://www.stankiewicz.e.pl/index.php?kat=42&sub=659  Is he one of the

chaps listed below?



Regards

Chris W

Calgary Canada



ZIELINSKI Adam - - 1904/7 ogn. 3. p. a. ppanc.

ZIELINSKI  Alojzy - - 19191227 s1 strz. 18. komp. warszt.

ZIELINSKI  Alojzy - patrz GOIK Wilhelm - -

ZIELINSKI Antoni - - 1912153 plu1 12. p. ul. pod. KW

ZIELINSKI Antoni - - 19191248 sap. 3. bn. sap.

ZIELINSKI Bronislaw - - 19251286 strz. 7. bn.

ZIELINSKI Czeslaw - - 1908/124 strz. 1. komp. warsz1

ZIELINSKI  Edmund - - 1924/175 strz. 6. bn.

ZIELINSKI Feliks - - 1910/151 sierż. 3. bn. sap.

ZIELINSKI I Feliks - - 1924/151 strz. 5. bn. KW

ZIELINSKI  Feliks - patrz ZIELKE Feliks - -

ZIELINSKI Franciszek - - 1910/246 strz. d-two dyw.

ZIELINSKI Franciszek - ps. ZIEMBALA Franciszek - - 1918/146 s1 strz. 6. bn. zm.

z r. 26.2.1945

ZIELINSKI  Franciszek - - 19221139 ul. 7. p. ul. lub.

ZIELINSKI  Franciszek - patrz FRYDRYCH Franciszek - -

ZIELINSKI  Henryk - - 19221212 strz. 7. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Jan - - 1900/36 strz. 4. bn. VM 5 pol. 2.7.1944

ZIELINSKI Jozef - - 1912/9 strz. 4. bn. KW

ZIELINSKI  Jozef - - 1914/11 sierż. 1. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Jozef - - 1917/155 strz. 5. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Jozef - ps. ADAMSKI J�zef - - 1921/261 strz. 8. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Jozef - ps. CZERWIŃSKI Jan - - 1909/150 strz. 6. bn. KW

ZIELINSKI  Julian - - 19231251 strz. 4. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Karol - patrz ZEGER Karol - -

ZIELINSKI  Kazimierz - - 1922/38 strz. 2. bn. VM 5

ZIELINSKI I Kazimierz - ps. PIASECKI Kazimierz - - 1915/164 st. strz. 4. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Leon - - 1924/105 s1 strz. 6. bn. KW

ZIELINSKI  Leon - ps. ZI�ŁKOWSKI Leon - - 19221172 s1 strz. 2. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Michal - - 1923/114 strz. 6. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Mieczyslaw - - 1912/169 por. 1. pal.

ZIELINSKI  Napoleon - - 1921/11 strz. 5. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Pawel - - 1923/142 strz. 1. bn. KW pol.8.11.1944

ZIELINSKI  Ryszard - - 1921/50 strz. 3. bn. KW

ZIELINSKI Ryszard - - 19251288 strz. 3. bn. ckm.

ZIELINSKI  Ryszard - patrz ZUR Ryszard - -

ZIELINSKI Stanislaw - - 1907/128 strz. 5. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Stanislaw Zbigniew - - 1921/134 strz. l. bn. kpr. pchr. 1. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Stanislaw - - 19241258 strz. 7. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Stanislaw - - 1926/56 strz. 5. bn.

ZIELINSKI  Stefan - - 1916/ kpr. 3. bn. sap.

ZIELINSKI  Stefan - - 1918/102 st. strz. 2. bn.

ZIELIŃSKI Stefan - - 19261222 kan. 3. pal.

ZIELIŃSKI Stefan - patrz GOŹDZIŃSKI Stefan - -

ZIELINSKI Szczepan - - 1921/32 ppor. 2. pal. KW

ZIELINSKI  Tadeusz - - 1919/61 strz. 4. bn. KW pol. 17.5.1944

ZIELINSKI Waclaw - - 1917/14 kpr. 5. bn.

ZIELINSKI Waclaw - - 1918/37 s1 strz. 3. bn. pol. 9.8.1944

ZIELINSKI Waclaw - - 1923/16 kan. 1. pal.

ZIELINSKI Wiktor - - 1920/175 strz. 1. bn.

ZIELINSKI Wincenty - - 1901/34 sierz. 2. komp. zaop.

ZIELINSKI Wladyslaw - - 1917/39 st. strz. 2. bn. KW

ZIELINSKI Władysław - - 19251252 strz. 7. bn.

ZIELINSKI Zygmunt - - 19251292 ul. 7. p. ul. lub.

#49780

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 4:17 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

basiazielins...

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Hi Chris

Thank you for that.

I have to first locate who exactly my father was with!

I don't think he was one of the below, if the dates are year of birth.

Thank you once again

Basia Zielinska (Sydney Australia)

Basia

From: wroblew705 <wroblew705@...>
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 01:41:29 -0000
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Subject: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Hello again Basia. Once again Yahoo messed up the fonts so here's my message again. Hope it reads better,if not just go to the link.

Hi Basi and welcome to the group. There are 53 ZIELINSKI's listed with the 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division.
Web link http://www.stankiewicz.e.pl/index.php?kat=42&sub=659 Is he one of the chaps listed below?

Regards
Chris W
Calgary Canada

ZIELINSKI Adam - - 1904/7 ogn. 3. p. a. ppanc.
ZIELINSKI Alojzy - - 19191227 s1 strz. 18. komp. warszt.
ZIELINSKI Alojzy - patrz GOIK Wilhelm - -
ZIELINSKI Antoni - - 1912153 plu1 12. p. ul. pod. KW
ZIELINSKI Antoni - - 19191248 sap. 3. bn. sap.
ZIELINSKI Bronislaw - - 19251286 strz. 7. bn.
ZIELINSKI Czeslaw - - 1908/124 strz. 1. komp. warsz1
ZIELINSKI Edmund - - 1924/175 strz. 6. bn.
ZIELINSKI Feliks - - 1910/151 sierż. 3. bn. sap.
ZIELINSKI I Feliks - - 1924/151 strz. 5. bn. KW
ZIELINSKI Feliks - patrz ZIELKE Feliks - -
ZIELINSKI Franciszek - - 1910/246 strz. d-two dyw.
ZIELINSKI Franciszek - ps. ZIEMBALA Franciszek - - 1918/146 s1 strz. 6. bn. zm. z r. 26.2.1945
ZIELINSKI Franciszek - - 19221139 ul. 7. p. ul. lub.
ZIELINSKI Franciszek - patrz FRYDRYCH Franciszek - -
ZIELINSKI Henryk - - 19221212 strz. 7. bn.
ZIELINSKI Jan - - 1900/36 strz. 4. bn. VM 5 pol. 2.7.1944
ZIELINSKI Jozef - - 1912/9 strz. 4. bn. KW
ZIELINSKI Jozef - - 1914/11 sierż. 1. bn.
ZIELINSKI Jozef - - 1917/155 strz. 5. bn.
ZIELINSKI Jozef - ps. ADAMSKI J�zef - - 1921/261 strz. 8. bn.
ZIELINSKI Jozef - ps. CZERWIŃSKI Jan - - 1909/150 strz. 6. bn. KW
ZIELINSKI Julian - - 19231251 strz. 4. bn.
ZIELINSKI Karol - patrz ZEGER Karol - -
ZIELINSKI Kazimierz - - 1922/38 strz. 2. bn. VM 5
ZIELINSKI I Kazimierz - ps. PIASECKI Kazimierz - - 1915/164 st. strz. 4. bn.
ZIELINSKI Leon - - 1924/105 s1 strz. 6. bn. KW
ZIELINSKI Leon - ps. ZI�ŁKOWSKI Leon - - 19221172 s1 strz. 2. bn.
ZIELINSKI Michal - - 1923/114 strz. 6. bn.
ZIELINSKI Mieczyslaw - - 1912/169 por. 1. pal.
ZIELINSKI Napoleon - - 1921/11 strz. 5. bn.
ZIELINSKI Pawel - - 1923/142 strz. 1. bn. KW pol.8.11.1944
ZIELINSKI Ryszard - - 1921/50 strz. 3. bn. KW
ZIELINSKI Ryszard - - 19251288 strz. 3. bn. ckm.
ZIELINSKI Ryszard - patrz ZUR Ryszard - -
ZIELINSKI Stanislaw - - 1907/128 strz. 5. bn.
ZIELINSKI Stanislaw Zbigniew - - 1921/134 strz. l. bn. kpr. pchr. 1. bn.
ZIELINSKI Stanislaw - - 19241258 strz. 7. bn.
ZIELINSKI Stanislaw - - 1926/56 strz. 5. bn.
ZIELINSKI Stefan - - 1916/ kpr. 3. bn. sap.
ZIELINSKI Stefan - - 1918/102 st. strz. 2. bn.
ZIELIŃSKI Stefan - - 19261222 kan. 3. pal.
ZIELIŃSKI Stefan - patrz GOŹDZIŃSKI Stefan - -
ZIELINSKI Szczepan - - 1921/32 ppor. 2. pal. KW
ZIELINSKI Tadeusz - - 1919/61 strz. 4. bn. KW pol. 17.5.1944
ZIELINSKI Waclaw - - 1917/14 kpr. 5. bn.
ZIELINSKI Waclaw - - 1918/37 s1 strz. 3. bn. pol. 9.8.1944
ZIELINSKI Waclaw - - 1923/16 kan. 1. pal.
ZIELINSKI Wiktor - - 1920/175 strz. 1. bn.
ZIELINSKI Wincenty - - 1901/34 sierz. 2. komp. zaop.
ZIELINSKI Wladyslaw - - 1917/39 st. strz. 2. bn. KW
ZIELINSKI Władysław - - 19251252 strz. 7. bn.
ZIELINSKI Zygmunt - - 19251292 ul. 7. p. ul. lub.

#49782

From: DAnielle Meyer <grammarwocky@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 7:13 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

danielle.aug...

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Hi basia, have you established that you father WAS in the 3rd Carpathian division? Im sorry i am really busy and havent been following the discussion. I just saw the heading and the list.

My grandfather was in that divison and i have a lot of group photos of various guys hanging around together. I can email them to you personally, you never know. He might be in them.

danielle augustyn
(australia)

#49784

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 8:00 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

basiazielins...

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Hi Danielle

I have not established who he was with. I will be in UK in a couple of weeks, and will go to the Military bureau there, but in the meantime I am looking at various suggestions which have been posted to me.

I think it unlikely he was with the Carpathians. It rings no bells for me at all.

Thank you very much for writing

Warm regards

Basia Zielinska

Sydney Australia, London,Swindon, Fairford , UK, Leer Germany

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:43:42 +0930
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Subject: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

#49795

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 2:24 pm
Subject: Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

john.halucha

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Basia, I envy your ability to visit the British MoD offices in person. The staff there have been so helpful dealing by mail that I imagine they are super nice in person.

If you haven't already looked at the Kresy research site that Stefan recommended, remember to do so before you leave home to make sure you have all the documents you need. It would be a shame to travel all that distance only to be politely rebuffed at the MoD counter by staff whose hands are bound by privacy laws. As I recall, you will have to demonstrate that you are related to the subject of your search (your parents' marriage certificate and your birth certificate listing your father), and if applicable the death certificates of your father and mother to show that you are the next in line and entitled to these records. As I say, consult the Kresy reference aids to check if you do need all these, or all these and more.

Also, I think you may have to pay 30 pounds for the information - a small price for the precious documentation and answers that you will doubtless find.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

From: Basia <basia@...>
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Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 4:00:11 AM
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Hi Danielle

I think it unlikely he was with the Carpathians. It rings no bells for me at all.

Thank you very much for writing

Warm regards

Basia Zielinska

Sydney Australia, London,Swindon, Fairford , UK, Leer Germany

#49798

From: Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

kazameena

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Just in case no one knows...if looking for a father's records and the wife is still alive, she doesn't have to pay . At least that was the deal in my case. If I applied I had to pay, but if my Mom applied it was free. And yes you need the death certificate.

hania

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Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 8:24:31 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Basia, I envy your ability to visit the British MoD offices in person. The staff there have been so helpful dealing by mail that I imagine they are super nice in person.

Also, I think you may have to pay 30 pounds for the information - a small price for the precious documentation and answers that you will doubtless find.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Hi Danielle

I think it unlikely he was with the Carpathians. It rings no bells for me at all.

Thank you very much for writing

Warm regards

Basia Zielinska

Sydney Australia, London,Swindon, Fairford , UK, Leer Germany

#49800

From: "Mark and Oyun" <mark_oyun@...>
Date: Thu Apr 5, 2012 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

mark_oyun

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Dear Basia,



If he had one, and if you have the number of his Monte Cassino Cross, that will

tell you, more or less, where he served. It will be a very general guide, but

it's a start.



Best regards, Mark Ostowski

#49850

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Sat Apr 7, 2012 6:21 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

basiazielins...

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Hello John

I have been very busy this week, in preparation for 2 weeks of running kids art workshops during the Easter Holidays!

And indulging in Polish traditions which are so deeply ingrained in my genes – even though I have not lived in Poland!

Cooking!

What a delightful burden to shoulder.

Easter without zurek, Mazurki, wedliny, pisanki, well it just would not be Easter for me.

I have been blessed with a "real" Polish son in law, so the traditions I pass on are not just indulged but appreciated.

BUT

That is not why I am writing to you.

Again and again – Thank You!

I have had so much information that I am now taking great care and slowly reading each response, carefully savouring, digesting everything, making notes, opening a file of all the contacts,

and what has really jumped out at me, is you father's and uncle's separation, with Jan being transferred to the 1st Polish Division in Scotland. For some reasons I keep coming back to that.

Perhaps you don't mind expanding that a bit more. I can't help feeling a parallel.

I am hoping to have things clarified at MOD whom I am going to alert re my visit. I agree with you, I am very fortunate indeed to be going to England and how I fell into "Kresy-Siberia" less than 2 weeks ago! Incredible..

You know, until I read one of your letter 3rd time, I realised there was more than one photo, as well as documents to savour.

I am still looking for the information "Jozef Zielinski b.1915, son of Jozef Zielinski, which I am having difficulty to locating. I will keep going through all the messages, I don't think I imagined it..

I am going to use my new smart phone to photograph my father's documents, and the photos and how should I send them? An attachment, a string of photos?

Anyway, thank you again

Wishes for a very happy Easter

Basia Zielinska Sydney Australia, London, Swindon, Fairford, (UK), Leer, Germany

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:24:31 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Basia, I envy your ability to visit the British MoD offices in person. The staff there have been so helpful dealing by mail that I imagine they are super nice in person.

Also, I think you may have to pay 30 pounds for the information - a small price for the precious documentation and answers that you will doubtless find.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Hi Danielle

I think it unlikely he was with the Carpathians. It rings no bells for me at all.

Thank you very much for writing

Warm regards

Basia Zielinska

Sydney Australia, London,Swindon, Fairford , UK, Leer Germany

#49858

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
Date: Sat Apr 7, 2012 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

john.halucha

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Your Easter preparations sound like a labour of love, Basia. I can almost smell the delicious aromas.

My father and uncle were at the same GULAG, as both recounted in stories about their mutual experiences there and both told of helping each other survive.

While the Hoover Institution has documents pertaining to my uncle because he stayed with the 2nd Corps, it does not have my father's papers because he was transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured Division. Hoover personnel are extremely helpful sharing their archives (thank you again, Pani Czernichowska) and their documents are available online, but the best hope of finding my father's records is the Sikorski museum in the UK and that's much more challenging.

My uncle's release papers were signed at Abez' in Komi, and although that was a central office and he could have gone there from another nearby GULAG to get his documents chances are good that he was incarcerated at Abez'. If so, then my father was there too.

The brothers appear to have been released on different dates in September 1941, and I am sure the first to be released wanted to wait for the other. But I can almost hear the one who had not yet received his documents (don't know which one) insisting that his brother get going while the going was good. Anyone who had been tortured by the Soviet system had zero confidence in anything they said and would know that the window of opportunity might be slammed shut at any moment.

Eventually the other brother was released too, and they made their way south. Whoever left the GULAG first, I believe my uncle arrived at the Polish Forces somewhere farther south first, and joined up immediately. My cousins have not yet applied to the British MoD for his military records, so I have no information at dates, units, locations, etc.

My father's MoD documents show that he did not sign up with the Polish Forces in the USSR until March 30, 1942 (8th Infantry Division, HQ), and this correlates with the stories of others who were told there was no longer room for them at Polish recruitment sites by the time they got there and were diverted to work on nearby Soviet collective farms until the logjam was resolved.

My father got out of the USSR in the first transports of March-April (only a few days after signing up) and came under British Command on April 1. His album also has photos from Iraq dated April-May 1942 and South Africa dated July 1942.

I don't know for certain if my uncle got out of the USSR at the same time or had to wait for the August transports, so I don't know if the brothers saw each other again in the USSR prior to departure or in the Middle East.

How or why my father was transferred to the 1PAD remains a mystery. One possibility is that he was registered "temporarily" in the 8th Infantry Division, which was formed in early 1942 and disbanded not long after its members made it to Persia, after which all were transferred to other units. He may have volunteered to move to the 1PAD, but that seems unlikely because it meant continued or further separation from his brother. More probably, he was picked for transfer. Before the German-Soviet invasion of Poland he had been a railway supply clerk in Brody, and it surely is not a coincidence that he was put into the 10.Komp Zaop (10th Supply Company) of the 1PAD. The 1PAD was desperately short of those services.

Again, apologies for the length of this post. But in addition to trying to answer your question about the brothers' separation, this shows how much can be "guessed" from clues when they are assembled. Besides being personally compelling, this quest is a lot of fun. It's like trying to solve a real-life mystery. Scouring all posts to this forum as well as other resources raises hopes of finding more clues.

No doubt you have seen the reminder from Janusz that someone who sounds strongly like your father is listed at

http://www.indeks.karta.org.pl/pl/szczegoly.jsp?id=110563

I think you can share your scans with the forum by simply attaching them to an email. I'm really looking forward to seeing them.

Happy Easter. How interesting - it seems that you will be celebrating the resurrection of your father's history along with the Resurrection this year. Talk about blessings! Thanks for sharing your joy with us.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

From: Basia <basia@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 2:21:13 AM
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Hello John

I have been very busy this week, in preparation for 2 weeks of running kids art workshops during the Easter Holidays!

And indulging in Polish traditions which are so deeply ingrained in my genes – even though I have not lived in Poland!

Cooking!

What a delightful burden to shoulder.

Easter without zurek, Mazurki, wedliny, pisanki, well it just would not be Easter for me.

I have been blessed with a "real" Polish son in law, so the traditions I pass on are not just indulged but appreciated.

BUT

That is not why I am writing to you.

Again and again – Thank You!

I have had so much information that I am now taking great care and slowly reading each response, carefully savouring, digesting everything, making notes, opening a file of all the contacts,

and what has really jumped out at me, is you father's and uncle's separation, with Jan being transferred to the 1st Polish Division in Scotland. For some reasons I keep coming back to that.

Perhaps you don't mind expanding that a bit more. I can't help feeling a parallel.

You know, until I read one of your letter 3rd time, I realised there was more than one photo, as well as documents to savour.

I am going to use my new smart phone to photograph my father's documents, and the photos and how should I send them? An attachment, a string of photos?

Anyway, thank you again

Wishes for a very happy Easter

Basia Zielinska Sydney Australia, London, Swindon, Fairford, (UK), Leer, Germany

Basia, I envy your ability to visit the British MoD offices in person. The staff there have been so helpful dealing by mail that I imagine they are super nice in person.

Also, I think you may have to pay 30 pounds for the information - a small price for the precious documentation and answers that you will doubtless find.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Hi Danielle

I think it unlikely he was with the Carpathians. It rings no bells for me at all.

Thank you very much for writing

Warm regards

Basia Zielinska

Sydney Australia, London,Swindon, Fairford , UK, Leer Germany

#49884

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Sun Apr 8, 2012 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

basiazielins...

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Hello John and Kresy-Siberia group

I am savouring the strong possibility/probability that it could well be my father on the Karta as has been suggested .

I have tried to furnish more details on the Karta site, my grandmother's name, my father's place of birth. but this resulted with a "0"

So at this stage I am considering the possibility that it is indeed my father.

I also delved into the Rymaszewski site today , a link posted by another member.One of the family members Edward appears to have had some parallel experiences to my father's (some I know of, some assumed!)

According to the site information "Edward" "travelled to Britain in the early sea transports……. (you John also suggested this possibility) Edward arrived in England in 1942, aged 24 (like your father and my father) and was stationed in Scotland (I have said previously I have a memory of Scotland being mentioned) Further in Edward's story it states "he went into West Germany where the Polish Division accepted the German surrender and occupied the port of Wilhelmshalven.

Well I know that is where my parents met.

So to clarify things, I think my next step is to look at the MOD site. I am now thrilled to be going there in person.

Has anyone actually been there in person?

I would love to hear from you.

John why is the Sikorski museum a challenge for you? I am considering going there too, with all the papers belonging to my father, which I own.

You asked me who my father served with.

On my parent's marriage certificate it states under "Zawod" sierz.9.Bat.Strzel.Fl.

I have been very carefully reading and considering all the group's communications, especially your wonderful long, detailed letters John, all emotional stuff but also very exciting.

Your letters are really starting to give me a picture of what those "missing years" in my father's life may have been, could have been, probably were.

No doubt I will never know the full story, but starting to read all the stories which are posted on the marvellous Virtual Museum, I have a much stronger sense already, of what may have happened to my father, from when war broke out until his discharge in Witley 0n 4th October 1948.

My next task to post a couple of photos!

Kind regards

Basia Zielinska Sydney Australia

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
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Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 07:47:26 -0700 (PDT)
To: "Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com" <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Your Easter preparations sound like a labour of love, Basia. I can almost smell the delicious aromas.

My father and uncle were at the same GULAG, as both recounted in stories about their mutual experiences there and both told of helping each other survive.

No doubt you have seen the reminder from Janusz that someone who sounds strongly like your father is listed at

http://www.indeks.karta.org.pl/pl/szczegoly.jsp?id=110563

I think you can share your scans with the forum by simply attaching them to an email. I'm really looking forward to seeing them.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Hello John

I have been very busy this week, in preparation for 2 weeks of running kids art workshops during the Easter Holidays!

And indulging in Polish traditions which are so deeply ingrained in my genes – even though I have not lived in Poland!

Cooking!

What a delightful burden to shoulder.

Easter without zurek, Mazurki, wedliny, pisanki, well it just would not be Easter for me.

I have been blessed with a "real" Polish son in law, so the traditions I pass on are not just indulged but appreciated.

BUT

That is not why I am writing to you.

Again and again – Thank You!

I have had so much information that I am now taking great care and slowly reading each response, carefully savouring, digesting everything, making notes, opening a file of all the contacts,

and what has really jumped out at me, is you father's and uncle's separation, with Jan being transferred to the 1st Polish Division in Scotland. For some reasons I keep coming back to that.

Perhaps you don't mind expanding that a bit more. I can't help feeling a parallel.

You know, until I read one of your letter 3rd time, I realised there was more than one photo, as well as documents to savour.

I am going to use my new smart phone to photograph my father's documents, and the photos and how should I send them? An attachment, a string of photos?

Anyway, thank you again

Wishes for a very happy Easter

Basia Zielinska Sydney Australia, London, Swindon, Fairford, (UK), Leer, Germany

Basia, I envy your ability to visit the British MoD offices in person. The staff there have been so helpful dealing by mail that I imagine they are super nice in person.

Also, I think you may have to pay 30 pounds for the information - a small price for the precious documentation and answers that you will doubtless find.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Hi Danielle

I think it unlikely he was with the Carpathians. It rings no bells for me at all.

Thank you very much for writing

Warm regards

Basia Zielinska

Sydney Australia, London,Swindon, Fairford , UK, Leer Germany

#49894

From: "Mark and Oyun" <mark_oyun@...>
Date: Sun Apr 8, 2012 9:14 pm
Subject: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

mark_oyun

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Dear Barbara,

"On my parent's marriage certificate it states under "Zawod" sierz.9.Bat.Strzel.Fl."

So, he was a sergeant in the 9^th "Flanders" Rifle Battalion, 3^rd Rifle Brigade, 1^st (Polish) Armoured Division. [A.K.A: 9th Polish Light Infantry Battalion.]

A little reading for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Polish_Infantry_Brigade

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_Batalion_Strzelc%C3%B3w_Flandryjskich [In Polish]

It is also possible that he was in the 3^rd Armoured Regiment. The 9^th "Flanders" Rifle Battalion was formed on the basis of the 3^rd Armoured Regiment and the 1^st Reconnaissance Regiment. The article here:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Pu%C5%82k_Pancerny_(PSZ) [In Polish] mentions that the regiment was supplemented by troops from the Soviet Union. It gives the date of 10^thand 12^th September 1942.

The Colours of the unit were presented by the citizens of Galashiels in Scotland:

http://www.ostrycharz.free-online.co.uk/PolonicaColours9RifleBtl.html

There is a good divisional organisation chart here:

http://www.brukselanato.polemb.net/index.php?document=60 [In Polish]

There is an excellent overview of the 1^st Division's campaign here:

http://www.polandinexile.com/polisharmy.html

http://www.polandinexile.com/marchtogermany.html

http://www.polandinexile.com/holland.html

Best regards, Mark Ostrowski

#49898

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Mon Apr 9, 2012 12:13 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

basiazielins...

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Hello Mark

Thank you for noticing my post.

I am crying into my morning coffee looking at all those links you have posted. They are tears of utter joy at finding so many missing puzzle pieces, and regret for only knowing my father for 10 years and not being old enough at the time to be able to ask him "the right questions"

Later in the day, I will take a journey into them. (The links) I do read Polish, not brilliantly, but more than adequately and it can only improve!

Thank you so much for your trouble.

Kind regards

Basia Zielinska (Sydney Australia, London, Swindon, Fairford, (UK) Leer Germany)

From: Mark and Oyun <mark_oyun@...>
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:14:51 -0000
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Dear Barbara,

"On my parent's marriage certificate it states under "Zawod" sierz.9.Bat.Strzel.Fl."

So, he was a sergeant in the 9^th "Flanders" Rifle Battalion, 3^rd Rifle Brigade, 1^st (Polish) Armoured Division. [A.K.A: 9th Polish Light Infantry Battalion.]

A little reading for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Polish_Infantry_Brigade

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_Batalion_Strzelc%C3%B3w_Flandryjskich [In Polish]

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_Pu%C5%82k_Pancerny_(PSZ) [In Polish] mentions that the regiment was supplemented by troops from the Soviet Union. It gives the date of 10^thand 12^th September 1942.

The Colours of the unit were presented by the citizens of Galashiels in Scotland:

http://www.ostrycharz.free-online.co.uk/PolonicaColours9RifleBtl.html

There is a good divisional organisation chart here:

http://www.brukselanato.polemb.net/index.php?document=60 [In Polish]

There is an excellent overview of the 1^st Division's campaign here:

http://www.polandinexile.com/polisharmy.html

http://www.polandinexile.com/marchtogermany.html

http://www.polandinexile.com/holland.html

Best regards, Mark Ostrowski

#49935

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
Date: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:19 pm
Subject: Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

john.halucha

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Your discoveries are a vicarious pleasure, Basia.

Good to know that your father was sierz.9.Bat.Strzel.Fl. Mark has provided a much better explanation than I ever could - I got to learn a bunch of new information thanks to you and him, something that happens regularly on this forum.

I did not intend a slam at the Sikorski Museum with my remark. No doubt, the staff are very helpful and do what they can given the time and resources available. All I was doing was contrasting with the Hoover, which not only has very generous staff but also makes it so easy to access mountains of materials online from the comfort of one's home. My understanding is that to get anywhere near the same access to Sikorski documents one needs to visit in person. If I had the opportunity to travel to London again the Sikorski would be on the top of my list, but that's just not possible. So effectively the Hoover doors are open to me while the Sikorski doors are closed.

Best wishes for an exciting and fruitful visit. I'm hoping that you will have more good news to share with the group soon.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

From: Basia <basia@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 8:50:24 AM
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Hello John and Kresy-Siberia group

I am savouring the strong possibility/probability that it could well be my father on the Karta as has been suggested .

I have tried to furnish more details on the Karta site, my grandmother's name, my father's place of birth. but this resulted with a "0"

So at this stage I am considering the possibility that it is indeed my father.

Well I know that is where my parents met.

So to clarify things, I think my next step is to look at the MOD site. I am now thrilled to be going there in person.

Has anyone actually been there in person?

I would love to hear from you.

John why is the Sikorski museum a challenge for you? I am considering going there too, with all the papers belonging to my father, which I own.

You asked me who my father served with.

On my parent's marriage certificate it states under "Zawod" sierz.9.Bat.Strzel.Fl.

I have been very carefully reading and considering all the group's communications, especially your wonderful long, detailed letters John, all emotional stuff but also very exciting.

Your letters are really starting to give me a picture of what those "missing years" in my father's life may have been, could have been, probably were.

My next task to post a couple of photos!

Kind regards

Basia Zielinska Sydney Australia

#49936

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

basiazielins...

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Hello John

It is marvellous how I am piecing things together, who knows, our fathers may have known each other.A really nice though.

I also discovered that the "colours" of my fathers battalion (not sure correct terminology) was presented in Leer mid June 1946, my parents were married there 15th June so I am supposing my father was there!

I was born in Leer a year later.

I was not put off re Sikorski, just curious about challenges which may be facing me.

Still have those photos to post. Weekend delight.

Kindest regards

Basia Zielinska Sydney Australia

Basia

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
Reply-To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:19:27 -0700 (PDT)
To: "Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com" <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division

Your discoveries are a vicarious pleasure, Basia.

Best wishes for an exciting and fruitful visit. I'm hoping that you will have more good news to share with the group soon.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Hello John and Kresy-Siberia group

I am savouring the strong possibility/probability that it could well be my father on the Karta as has been suggested .

I have tried to furnish more details on the Karta site, my grandmother's name, my father's place of birth. but this resulted with a "0"

So at this stage I am considering the possibility that it is indeed my father.

Well I know that is where my parents met.

So to clarify things, I think my next step is to look at the MOD site. I am now thrilled to be going there in person.

Has anyone actually been there in person?

I would love to hear from you.

John why is the Sikorski museum a challenge for you? I am considering going there too, with all the papers belonging to my father, which I own.

You asked me who my father served with.

On my parent's marriage certificate it states under "Zawod" sierz.9.Bat.Strzel.Fl.

I have been very carefully reading and considering all the group's communications, especially your wonderful long, detailed letters John, all emotional stuff but also very exciting.

Your letters are really starting to give me a picture of what those "missing years" in my father's life may have been, could have been, probably were.

My next task to post a couple of photos!

Kind regards

Basia Zielinska Sydney Australia

#49938

From: "Mark and Oyun" <mark_oyun@...>
Date: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:07 pm
Subject: Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division/Sikorski Inst.

mark_oyun

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Dear Basia,



Just one tip for when you go to Sikorski: If you don't have a digital camera...

buy one. They will probably find lots of stuff about your father... and you will

want to make copies. A greyscale photocopy costs 40p... colour costs one pound.

You can take your own colour digital pictures for 25p each. OK, you don't get

the official PISM stamp, but the cash saving will probably pay for a new

camera!It will also allow you to spend more time working... when I was there

last year there was only one, very hard working but hugely overstretched worker.

When she went of to do my copies, that was it for requesting new documents. Next

day I used the camera on my mobile to produce readable copies at half the price

and half the time. Apart from that you will probably have a great time.I'm sure

it will be rewarding. You must ask for the unit war diary. Most larger units had

one and they will give you everything you need to know... who did what, where

they did it and on what day. Fascinating stuff. I plan to go myself in June.



Best regards, Mark Ostrowski

#49940

From: Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...>
Date: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division/Sikorski Inst.

kazameena

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When I went to Sikorski, I just took pictures of pages in the war diary that I thought would interest me later, because it is a lot to absorb while sitting there. The whole idea that you are there in this vault of our fathers army history is just over whelming in itself.

hania

From: Mark and Oyun <mark_oyun@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:07:53 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division/Sikorski Inst.

Dear Basia,

Just one tip for when you go to Sikorski: If you don't have a digital camera... buy one. They will probably find lots of stuff about your father... and you will want to make copies. A greyscale photocopy costs 40p... colour costs one pound. You can take your own colour digital pictures for 25p each. OK, you don't get the official PISM stamp, but the cash saving will probably pay for a new camera!It will also allow you to spend more time working... when I was there last year there was only one, very hard working but hugely overstretched worker. When she went of to do my copies, that was it for requesting new documents. Next day I used the camera on my mobile to produce readable copies at half the price and half the time. Apart from that you will probably have a great time.I'm sure it will be rewarding. You must ask for the unit war diary. Most larger units had one and they will give you everything you need to know... who did what, where they did it and on what day. Fascinating stuff. I plan to go myself in June.

Best regards, Mark Ostrowski

#49948

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:01 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division/Sikorski Inst.

basiazielins...

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Thank you Hania and for your impressions. Basia Sydney

Basia

From: Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...>
Reply-To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:27:36 -0700 (PDT)
To: "Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com" <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division/Sikorski Inst.

hania

#49947

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:00 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division/Sikorski Inst.

basiazielins...

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Thank you for the helpful advice. I have a new 'smart' phone, trouble s I need to smarten up to use it to full capacity. I have an App which supposedly can photograph documents.

I am practicing so that I will be well armed. We leave London 3rd June so unlikely to meet at the Sikorski. Would have been nice.

Best regards Basia (Sydney)

From: Mark and Oyun <mark_oyun@...>
Reply-To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:07:53 -0000
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division/Sikorski Inst.

#49950

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:38 am
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: ZIELINSKI's in 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division/Sikorski Inst.

basiazielins...

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Does anyone know, is the MOD definitely in Ruislip Middx., as per address in Resources?

My husband thinks it is Bourne Avenue, Hayes, Middx?

Can one just front up or does an appointment need to be made?

I have sent them an email, but by all accounts could take ages to even get a response!

Best regards Basia Zielinska Sydney Austrlia

Basia

#50455

From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Mon May 21, 2012 8:48 pm
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Kresy-Siberia (est.2001)] Re: Jozef ZIELINSKI

basiazielins...

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Hello Group

This morning I visited the British MOD. Mrs Barbara Kroll was very kind and helpful. There are two people working in that office, filling in those missing pieces for all of us searching

It was an incredibly emotional experience and I have more information about my father today than, as little as 2 months, ago I would have imagined even remotely possible.

Touching and handling the originals, sighting my father's signatures, his fingerprint, reading about him was one of the highlights of my life.

I am teary, exhausted and so deeply grateful to all in the group who have been supporting me with their suggestions and leads.

I am so grateful to whoever suggested bringing in a camera. I bought an app. For my iPhone called "Turbo Scan" and have all the documents scanned in in colour!

The MOD give photocopies of all documentation, carefully put together, – but of course it is in black and white.

I need to read every document very carefully, many times, and I will go through all the posts which the group have sent me, all over again, to help me piece my father's story.

There are still gaps – namely his location in Siberia - but once I have processed what I have to date, I will pursue further.

Incidentally "those rumours" - "those little things I had heard" were all true!! I was not "making things up – creating my own truth" as I was beginning to think I may be.

My father had been with the airforce at the beginning of the war. Then he joined the army in Scotland. I think it was because he was so ill after getting to Scotland that he was unable to joining the training group for the planes as I had been told.

I will, when I get back to Australia, put everything together, especially with dates, so it makes sense to me and I will post it on the site with pleas for help as to how to do it.

I love John Halucha's beautifully organised pages.. I know I will have some questions.

I am going to The Sikorski on Wednesday and see what I can find there. I hope to see examples of medals my father received (one will be sent to me) as well as the 9th Battalion's standard/colours.

I feel very emotional – but in a good way

Tonight I will sleep well.

Basia Zielinska Sydney Australia (On visit to England)

Basia, I envy your ability to visit the British MoD offices in person. The staff there have been so helpful dealing by mail that I imagine they are super nice in person.

Also, I think you may have to pay 30 pounds for the information - a small price for the precious documentation and answers that you will doubtless find.

John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada

Hi Danielle

I think it unlikely he was with the Carpathians. It rings no bells for me at all.

Thank you very much for writing

Warm regards

Basia Zielinska

Sydney Australia, London,Swindon, Fairford , UK, Leer Germany

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