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#4776 From: "Martin Serkosky" <serkosky@...>
Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:12 am
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Our movie with Andrzej Wajda
srokowski2002
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Hi Eve, I also share the same experience as you. For my generation (late 40's), only the ones who are interested in "everything Polish" know about Katyn and the deportations. I believe big-name stars in Hollywood would give the film credibility. I think alot of stars would jump at the chance of being in this type of film. So many Hollywood celebrities seem to have a social conscience and would like to make the world aware of wrong-doings. Subtitles would definetly drag the movie down (boring and "B" quality). Its truly amazing in this day and age a movie about Katyn hasn't hit the screen. This type of film could stir interest among our young people to explore their Polish roots. My kids could be an exception, both are very proud and intersested in their Polish roots (late teens). A movie about Katyn could be the equivalent to (effect of) the American film "Roots".
----- Original Message -----
From: Eve5J@...
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:51 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Re: Our movie with Andrzej Wajda

Graham -
You are correct, of course.  I had a particular relative in mind from my husband's side of the family, not mine, when I wrote that.  He had never heard of Katyn until hearing it from me, but neither would I consider that person well-informed!  Ha!  Notice I wrote "most."  I probably should have said there are far more people that have some smattering of Katyn knowledge than of the deportations.   

Ideally the film should have mass worldwide appeal to the average "Joe" who is uninformed.  You are correct also--subtitles should be out because average Joes do not go to "art" films, let alone subtitled films.

Eve

I'm sorry to disagree, but most people who would regularly pass for 'well-informed' have NEVER heard of Katyn, and what would end up as being distributed as a limited (Coasts-only!) art-house foreign language movie, by however eminent a veteran director, would do damn all but to peg it as an en passant backwater of 20th Century history, interesting but ultimately of limited importance in the wider course of events (eg 6million.....), and it's extremely unlikely that a film from such a source would do anything (because its primary audience wouldn't need it) to develop and explain the context and consequencies of Katyn. And that really does need to be explained. Having read the post, I phoned my son, at a leading UK university. I caught him (surprise) in the bar, with a group of 16 chums (3 of whom were reading modern history). I got him to ask about Katyn. Only one of them (a biologist) had ever heard of Katyn, but he got the details of what had happened wrong. And that biologist's name was..........Janek Zamoyski.




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#4777 From: Dlachocki@...
Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:08 am
Subject: Re: Re: pre-WWI roots in the Kresy / Belarus
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To All,
I am very much interested to get my (Poleszuka)hands on that book. Could it be possibly available in U.S Can anybody help me with information how to get it?

Czesc!
Dezio Lachocki

#4778 From: Graham Sanders <g@...>
Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:55 am
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Our movie with Andrzej Wajda
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Does anyone remember a superb BBC dramatised documentary about Katyn around 30
yrs ago? It would be interesting to get that out to the History Channel and
equivalents. Does anyone remember the details? It might have been a Monitor or a
Chronicle programme, and intercut re-enactment with the Nazi disinternment
footage. It certainly antedates Louis Fitzgibbon's book, so maybe around 1969?
Must still exist in a vault somewhere.

g

---- Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> Hi Eve, I also share the same experience as you. For my generation (late
40's), only the ones who are interested in "everything Polish" know about Katyn
and the deportations. I believe big-name stars in Hollywood would give the film
credibility. I think alot of stars would jump at the chance of being in this
type of film. So many Hollywood celebrities seem to have a social conscience and
would like to make the world aware of wrong-doings. Subtitles would definetly
drag the movie down (boring and "B" quality). Its truly amazing in this day and
age a movie about Katyn hasn't hit the screen. This type of film could stir
interest among our young people to explore their Polish roots. My kids could be
an exception, both are very proud and intersested in their Polish roots (late
teens). A movie about Katyn could be the equivalent to (effect of)  the American
film "Roots".
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Eve5J@...
>   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:51 PM
>   Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Re: Our movie with Andrzej Wajda
>
>
>   Graham -
>   You are correct, of course.  I had a particular relative in mind from my
husband's side of the family, not mine, when I wrote that.  He had never heard
of Katyn until hearing it from me, but neither would I consider that person
well-informed!  Ha!  Notice I wrote "most."  I probably should have said there
are far more people that have some smattering of Katyn knowledge than of the
deportations.
>
>   Ideally the film should have mass worldwide appeal to the average "Joe" who
is uninformed.  You are correct also--subtitles should be out because average
Joes do not go to "art" films, let alone subtitled films.
>
>   Eve
>
>
>     I'm sorry to disagree, but most people who would regularly pass for
'well-informed' have NEVER heard of Katyn, and what would end up as being
distributed as a limited (Coasts-only!) art-house foreign language movie, by
however eminent a veteran director, would do damn all but to peg it as an en
passant backwater of 20th Century history, interesting but ultimately of limited
importance in the wider course of events (eg 6million.....), and it's extremely
unlikely that a film from such a source would do anything (because its primary
audience wouldn't need it) to develop and explain the context and consequencies
of Katyn. And that really does need to be explained. Having read the post, I
phoned my son, at a leading UK university. I caught him (surprise) in the bar,
with a group of 16 chums (3 of whom were reading modern history). I got him to
ask about Katyn. Only one of them (a biologist) had ever heard of Katyn, but he
got the details of what had happened wrong. And that biologist's name
was..........Janek Zamoyski.
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#4779 From: Eve5J@...
Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 4:52 pm
Subject: Previous Deportations of Poles to Siberia
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Group:

Reading the book Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing that we have been discussing recently, continually I come across deportees talking about posioleks that were built by either Polish or Ukrainians prior to their arrival.  Here is a passage from page 426:

"Those who were still there spoke with us in exquisite Polish.  Some of them possessed Polish books.  I remember some of the names such as Dr. Fracowski, Orlowski, Rusiecki, Bocianowski, Kuczewski, and Sienkiewicz.  They were very bitter that no one remembered them and that no protest about their deportation had been made by the Polish authorities.  Certainly there is plenty of talk about Poles in Kazakhstan, but I've never seen mention of Poles, who lived in Archangel Province of the Komi Republic."

This is true.  What about these previously deported people and the Poles who choose to stay in Siberia when amnesty was granted? 

Eve Jesionka Jankowicz

#4780 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:28 am
Subject: Locations of Family History Centres ("Mormom records")
skwisniowski
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Barbara,
There is a "Family History Centre", which provides access to microfilmed genealogy records, in Toulouse.  I hope that is near your home.  It is at:

10, Avenue de Levaur
Toulouse, Haut-Garonne, France
Phone: 33-5-61119281
Hours: M, T, Th, F, Sa 9:00-13:00, 14:00-18:00

Information on using this service (and on centres elsewhere in France and around the world) can be found at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp

Best of luck.
Stefan Wisniowski

...Were the Mormon records in any special place?  Each time I have looked at them they seem to be big on the States and great Britain, but poor on elsewhere.  In fact, I can read Cyrillic -- I studied Russian at the University of Toronto and some of it remains!

Barbara

#4781 From: "Halina Szulakowska" <halina_szulakowska@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: Re: pre-WWI roots in the Kresy / Belarus
halina_szulakowska@...
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Dezio,

I think you'll have difficulty buying a copy of 'Polesie Wschodnie', with it
being out of print - you'll have to try through someone that deals in
second-hand or antiquarian books.

:o(

Halina


>From: Dlachocki@...
>Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>CC: Dlachocki@...
>Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: pre-WWI roots in the Kresy / Belarus
>Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:08:43 EST
>
>To All,
>I am very much interested to get my (Poleszuka)hands on that book. Could it
>be possibly available in U.S Can anybody help me with information how to
>get
>it?
>
>Czesc!
>Dezio Lachocki


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#4782 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: Previous Deportations of Poles to Siberia
skwisniowski
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Ewa
It sounds like this reference is to the Poles who were deported from the western USSR (eg. eastern Ukraine) in the 1930's (ie. prior to the war).  There were Poles all through this area, though thinning out generally as one went further east.  And the Ukrainians were also deported during the "Great Famine" imposed by Stalin to force farm collectivisation.  Millions died, and many were deported to build the special settlements that were later there (their previous inhabitants having died or been moved on) for some of the Poles to move into.

Stefan Wisniowski

...
This is true.  What about these previously deported people and the Poles who choose to stay in Siberia when amnesty was granted?  

Eve Jesionka Jankowicz

#4783 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Our movie with Andrzej Wajda
skwisniowski
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We are also still looking, without success, for "Struggles for Poland" from the BCC vaults.  Anybody have any insights on getting in to their old archives?
Stefan Wisniowski

From: Graham Sanders <g@...>

Does anyone remember a superb BBC dramatised documentary about Katyn around 30 yrs ago? It would be interesting to get that out to the History Channel and equivalents. Does anyone remember the details? It might have been a Monitor or a Chronicle programme, and intercut re-enactment with the Nazi disinternment footage. It certainly antedates Louis Fitzgibbon's book, so maybe around 1969? Must still exist in a vault somewhere.

#4784 From: jagna8@...
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:11 am
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Our movie with Andrzej Wajda
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I asked my friend who was involved in making 'The Struggles for Poland' - she promised to find out the possibilities of distributing it, but obviously needs further pushing. I'll call her this week.
I will take this opportunity to let the group know of two new developments on 'A Forgotten Odyssey' front. One is that something called 'Open University Broadcasts', an educational body in Israel, licensed the 'educational video rights' for 5 years. Secondly, the State University of California are planning to show our film on April 29, in the event commemorating the Holocaust.
All the best,
Jagna and Aneta

#4785 From: Eve5J@...
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:48 am
Subject: Re: Previous Deportations of Poles to Siberia
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Stefan,
Yes, these Poles were from Minsk according to the book, and it was the 1930s.  I forgot to include the date in my post.  The thing that I found surprising about this, was again the Polish Government "forgot" about those Poles as well.  The particular posiolek the writer referred to was built by these previously deported Poles and not Ukrainians. 

Some months ago my aunt told me that her teacher in the USSR had a Polish surname which she still remembers.  Some of the posioleks were built by Ukrainians and others by Poles.  I wonder if any of the previously deported left the USSR when amnesty was granted.

The writer must have been incorrect though, because Minsk was part of interwar Poland, wasn't it.  How could the Soviets deport Polish citizens at that time?  Interesting.

Ewa  


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It sounds like this reference is to the Poles who were deported from the western USSR (eg. eastern Ukraine) in the 1930's (ie. prior to the war).  There were Poles all through this area, though thinning out generally as one went further east.  And the Ukrainians were also deported during the "Great Famine" imposed by Stalin to force farm collectivisation.  Millions died, and many were deported to build the special settlements that were later there (their previous inhabitants having died or been moved on) for some of the Poles to move into.




#4786 From: amkar@...
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:17 pm
Subject: Reason magazine -- June 2000, Hollywood's Missing Movies by Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley
concernedcon...
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Check out this link.  It explains why a film about the deportations
hasn't been made yet.  Very interesting...

Barb & Vyto
http://reason.com/0006/fe.kb.hollywoods.shtml

#4787 From: "Richard Widerynski" <richpna@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Previous Deportations of Poles to Siberia
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Dear Ewa,
I read your message regarding deportations of Poles from Minsk.  When I was in Poland in '91 for the funeral of my uncle Wacek, we stayed with the friends the Iwinski family outside of Gdansk.  I was reading the wonderful book "Katyn" by Allan Paul.  As a result we spent many an evening talking about the war. Mr. Iwinski (who was from the Minsk region) recounted that the Soviet/Finnish war included many Polish soldiers who as a result of the annexation of eastern Poland were immediately impressed into the Soviet military and forced to fight on their side. (He himself was fortunately rejected by the Soviets because of problem with his ears.)  The losses of Poles from the eastern part of Poland in my opinion were many times the number we use in regards to the deportations which also occurred during this period.  I don't think we will ever know how many Polish citizens were lost. We can never forget those individuals either.
Take care
Rich Widerynski
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Eve5J@...
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 7:48 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Previous Deportations of Poles to Siberia

Stefan,
Yes, these Poles were from Minsk according to the book, and it was the 1930s.  I forgot to include the date in my post.  The thing that I found surprising about this, was again the Polish Government "forgot" about those Poles as well.  The particular posiolek the writer referred to was built by these previously deported Poles and not Ukrainians. 

Some months ago my aunt told me that her teacher in the USSR had a Polish surname which she still remembers.  Some of the posioleks were built by Ukrainians and others by Poles.  I wonder if any of the previously deported left the USSR when amnesty was granted.

The writer must have been incorrect though, because Minsk was part of interwar Poland, wasn't it.  How could the Soviets deport Polish citizens at that time?  Interesting.

Ewa  


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It sounds like this reference is to the Poles who were deported from the western USSR (eg. eastern Ukraine) in the 1930's (ie. prior to the war).  There were Poles all through this area, though thinning out generally as one went further east.  And the Ukrainians were also deported during the "Great Famine" imposed by Stalin to force farm collectivisation.  Millions died, and many were deported to build the special settlements that were later there (their previous inhabitants having died or been moved on) for some of the Poles to move into.





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#4788 From: "Custance.family" <Custance.family@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: Reason magazine -- June 2000, Hollywood's Missing Movies byKenneth Lloyd Billingsley
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Hi Barb and Vyto
 
Having read your suggested article with great interest, I found the e mail address of the gentleman that wrote it and have just sent him an e mail, see below.........I hope you approve!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm afraid I do things on impulse. He might not be able to help at all, but I thought it was worth a try as we are struggling to get the right contacts so far. I think we should all keep trying and explore every avenue. Hope you all agree.
 
Dianne
...............................................
Dear Mr Billingsley
 
I have just read your article about "Why American films have ignored life under communism" and found it very interesting.
 
My mother was a young Polish girl of 6, when she and her family were deported from Eastern Poland by the Russians. I have recently joined a group where we are all directly related to people who suffered terribly at the hands of the Soviet Union, during World War II. We all have first hand information about what really happened, which we have documented on our web site. We have an abundance of research material, which in the right hands, could be turned into an exceptional film...........a film to tell the world things that have been covered up by the Allied Forces and the Soviet Union for over 60 years.
 
We really need someone in the film industry to take a keen interest in our mission to tell the world our stories. Would you be interested in helping us or at least advising us on how to make contact with the right people?
 
Please feel welcome to visit our web sites to get a taste of what we are all about.
 
 If you are interested I can then get you further access to our sites and would be honoured if you wanted to read my family's story "Zbigniew's Story".
 
I hope you can help us.
 
Regards
 
Dianne Custance

----- Original Message -----
From: amkar@...
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Reason magazine -- June 2000, Hollywood's Missing Movies byKenneth Lloyd Billingsley

Check out this link.  It explains why a film about the deportations
hasn't been made yet.  Very interesting...

Barb & Vyto



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http://reason.com/0006/fe.kb.hollywoods.shtml

#4789 From: "Custance.family" <Custance.family@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 7:48 pm
Subject: Re: Reason magazine -- June 2000, Hollywood's Missing Movies byKenneth Lloyd Billingsley
diannecustance
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Hi
 
It's Dianne again.
Another brick wall. You know the e mail I sent to Billingsley(below)..............well it's come back............problem with the address or something.
I almost got excited there.
 
(74551.271@...) - This is the address given at the bottom of his article. Does anyone know why it didn't work?
 
Dianne
Dear Mr Billingsley

I have just read your article about "Why American films have ignored =
life under communism" and found it very interesting.

My mother was a young Polish girl of 6, when she and her family were =
deported from Eastern Poland by the Russians. I have recently joined a =
group where we are all directly related to people who suffered terribly =
at the hands of the Soviet Union, during World War II. We all have first =
hand information about what really happened, which we have documented on =
our web site. We have an abundance of research material, which in the =
right hands, could be turned into an exceptional film...........a film =
to tell the world things that have been covered up by the Allied Forces =
and the Soviet Union for over 60 years.

We really need someone in the film industry to take a keen interest in =
our mission to tell the world our stories. Would you be interested in =
helping us or at least advising us on how to make contact with the right =
people?=20

Please feel welcome to visit our web sites to get a taste of what we are =
all about.
     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia
  http://www.AForgottenOdyssey.com

 If you are interested I can then get you further access to our sites =
and would be honoured if you wanted to read my family's story =
"Zbigniew's Story".

I hope you can help us.

Regards

Dianne Custance
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: amkar@...
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Reason magazine -- June 2000, Hollywood's Missing Movies byKenneth Lloyd Billingsley

Check out this link.  It explains why a film about the deportations
hasn't been made yet.  Very interesting...

Barb & Vyto




http://reason.com/0006/fe.kb.hollywoods.shtml

#4790 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Previous Deportations of Poles to Siberia
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No,
Minsk, the capital of Belarus, was in the USSR, though close by the pre-1939 Polish border.
See http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/maps/Poland1921-39.gif

You might be thinking of Minsk Mazowiecki, just east of Warszawa.
See http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=decimal&latitude=52.1833&longitude=21.5667

Stefan Wisniowski

The writer must have been incorrect though, because Minsk was part of interwar Poland, wasn't it.  How could the Soviets deport Polish citizens at that time?  Interesting.

Ewa   

#4791 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: Reason magazine -- June 2000, Hollywood's Missing Movies byKenneth Lloyd Billingsley
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Hi Dianne

Keep trying!  you had an old link (2000) but try him at his new location:
klbillingsley@...

K. Lloyd Billingsley
Editorial Director

Editorial Director Lloyd Billingsley has been widely published on topics including on popular culture, defense policy, education reform, and many other current policy issues. He has written a number of PRI education studies, including Californiašs Charter Schools: Empowering Parents, Students, and Teachers and Expanding the Charter Idea, and was editor of the Institutešs Voices on Choice: The Education Reform Debate. Mr. Billingsley  is also the author of six books, including Hollywood Party: How Communism Seduced the American Film Industry in the 1930s and 1940s.

His articles have appeared in the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, and many other publications. Before joining PRI, Mr. Billingsley was a journalism fellow at the Center for the Study of Popular Culture in Los Angeles, and he was also formerly a correspondent for Spectator magazine and Washington Times

From: "Custance.family" <Custance.family@...>

It's Dianne again.
Another brick wall. You know the e mail I sent to Billingsley(below)..............well it's come back............problem with the address or something.
I almost got excited there.

(74551.271@...) - This is the address given at the bottom of his article. Does anyone know why it didn't work?

#4792 From: Dlachocki@...
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:08 am
Subject: Re: Re: pre-WWI roots in the Kresy / Belarus
dlachocki
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Halina,

Thank you for a helpful suggestion. I am not about to give up.

Dezio

#4793 From: "b.davoust" <b.davoust@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 6:42 am
Subject: Re: Locations of Family History Centres ("Mormom records")
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Thanks a lot, Stefan.  I didn't realize they were here in France.  I too live in Toulouse.
 
Barbara Davoust

#4794 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:25 am
Subject: FW: [PAC_ND] Documentary on Nazi persecution
skwisniowski
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Dear group members,

While this is not exactly concerned with the Soviet persecution of Polish
citizens, it is clearly related as an associated story.  Also, many of us
(like me) had families persecuted by both the Germans and the Soviets -
especially while these two were in their friendship alliance.

For those of us without any complaints against the Nazis, this is may be an
interesting insight to accompany our recent discussions about having a film
made on the deportations.

Stefan Wisniowski

----------
> From: "Richard Widerynski" <richpna@...>
> Reply-To: "Richard Widerynski" <richpna@...>
> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:09:09 -0800
> To: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
> Subject: Fw: [PAC_ND] Documentary on Nazi persecution
>
> Dear Stefan,
> Am forwarding the following request. I believe it may fit in with the goals
> of the Siberia/Kresy organization.
> Take care,
> Rich Widerynski
> Subject: [PAC_ND] Documentary on Nazi persecution
>
>
>> From:
>> Aldona Wos, M.D.
>> Member, United States Holocaust Memorial Council
>>
>> Richard C. Lukas, Ph.D., L.H.D.
>> Historian and Author of "The Forgotten Holocaust"
>> and "Did the Children Cry?"
>>
>> Bozenna Urbanowicz Gilbride
>> Associate Producer,
>> Film: "ZEGOTA: Council for Aid to Jews in Occupied Poland: 1942-1945"
>>
>> March 20, 2003
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Please help!  We only have four weeks to raise $100,000 or an
>> opportunity to educate the world about the Christian Polish experience
>> during World War II will be lost.  Any amount that you can send, $50 or
>> as much as $5,000, is vitally important.  We must not let this project
>> die.
>>
>> Especially since nearly 100 hours of interview footage has already been
>> filmed.
>>
>> The two-hour Documentary, Nazi Persecution of Polish Christians (working
>> title), produced by Barbara Herbich, with sponsorship from the New York
>> Foundation for the Arts, is an educational and historical film in
>> progress that is desperately in need of post-production funding.  She
>> has spent four years working on this historically significant
>> documentary about the little known facts of the victimization of the
>> Polish Christians by the Nazis.
>>
>> Of the $300,000 production budget, approximately $200,000 has been
>> raised from various corporations, foundations and individuals. However,
>> $100,000 is needed for post-production costs to be raised within the
>> next four weeks, or the project will not be completed.
>>
>> Please send contributions to:  New York Foundation for the Arts
>> 155 Avenue of the Americas
>> New York, NY  10013-1507
>> Attn:  Tina Travis
>>
>> Please note:  Barbara Kathleen Herbich for Nazi persecution of Polish
>> Christians
>>
>> All contributions are tax-deductible.
>>
>> The film is the creation of Barbara Kathleen Herbich Academy Award
>> Nominee and winner of international film awards including two CINE Gold
>> Eagles.
>>
>> Our opinion is that this film has the potential of being perhaps the
>> most important documentary presentation of Poland's victimization under
>> the Nazis since the end of World War II.
>>
>> Antony Polonsky, the Albert Abramson Professor of Holocaust Studies
>> atBrandeis University says, "I strongly support Ms. Herbich's
>> film-in-progress.  I very much hope that the film obtains the financial
>> backing it deserves."
>>
>> PBS Executive, Anne Robinson wrote to Ms. Herbich, "The film...promises
>> to be a sensitive presentation of a complex and difficult subject.  Your
>> proposed film on an important and little known chapter in the history of
>> Polish citizens during the Nazi era is well-suited as a special for our
>> national prime time schedule."
>>
>> In addition to broadcasts on PBS and possibly the History Channel,
>> through Direct Cinema Limited, videocassettes will be available to
>> schools, universities, libraries, community centers and museums.
>> Special screenings will encourage public discussion through a broad
>> range of church, civic and educational organizations.
>>
>> Exhaustive research has gone into this extraordinary project.  For a
>> summary of this film project by Barbara Herbich, see
>> http://www.pacwashmetrodiv.org/projects/
>>
>> Please support this nearly funded project through a contribution TODAY
>> and by forwarding this to anyone and everyone that you know who might be
>> interested in helping as well.  You will make a difference in how
>> history is viewed.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Aldona Wos, M.D.
>> Richard C. Lukas, Ph.D., L.H.D.
>> Bozenna Urbanowicz Gilbride
>>

#4795 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:31 am
Subject: FW: [PAC_ND] New book on Borderland events in WW2
skwisniowski
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Richard,
I believe that this book is mainly in Polish, is it not (other than the
intro)?

Stefan Wisniowski

> From: "Richard Widerynski" <richpna@...>
>
> Dear Stefan,
> Don't know if you or the KS group are aware of this new book so I'm sending
> on some info.
> Regards,
> Rich Widerynski
>
> Subject: [PAC_ND] New book on Borderland events in WW2
>
>
>> EJSZYSZKI: THE BACKGROUND TO THE EVENTS IN EJSZYSZKI - THE EPILOGUE TO
>> POLISH-JEWISH RELATIONS IN THE EASTERN BORDERLANDS, 1944-1945.
>> Marek Jan Chodakiewicz, Ed.
>> 554 pgs.
>> Fronda Publications, Warsaw 2003
>> Price 40.50 zl. (ab. $10) when ordered online (plus S&H)
>> http://www.ksiegarnia.fronda.pl/sklep.php?a=4&id=973
>>
>> A 2-volume collection of NKVD (precursor of KGB) records, Jewish and
>> Christian memoirs and historical essays collected and edited with a
>> bi-lingual (English and Polish) introduction by Marek Jan Chodakiewicz,
>> Kosciuszko Chair Professor of Polish Studies at the University of
>> Virginia and nominee in 2002 for the J. Mackiewicz award for his book
>> "Jews and Poles, 1918-1955" (Fronda, 2000). This is the first historical
>> work in Poland on the true events in Ejszyszki, making possible the
>> refutation of the theses of Yaffa Eliach in this matter. Fascinating
>> reading!
>>
>> The contributors include Dr. John Radzilowski, Dr. Jaroslaw Wolkonowski,
>> and others.
>> The eye witness testimonies are by Icchak Sonensohn, Wanda Lisowska,
>> Leibke Kaganovich, Witold Andruszkiewicz, and others.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

#4796 From: "H. MacDonald" <hel.mac@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:24 pm
Subject: earlier deportees; kresy #541
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Of the thirty-eight individuals I interviewed for my research, a large
number recalled encountering on their arrival Ukrainians, Poles, and others
(e.g. German, Japanese, Chechen, etc.) who had been there for some years.  A
couple commented how fortunate they felt because when they arrived the
'settlement' was at least already built and established; even expressing
gratitude that there was warmth when they arrived, noting the lives lost
when the first 'settlers' arrived to the wilderness, no warm 'home' to rest
in after a long day's labour.  For those who did not arrive at an
established settlement, their first task was to build rudimentary, crude
housing (barracks), etc. out of the wilderness, often using only the tools
they brought.  As we all know, it was a hard life, all round.  When groups
arrived to 'established' settlements, there were people to 'mentor' them, if
you will; offer advice, such as where to find edible mushrooms in the
forest, which guards were nasty, which kind, and so on.  Many were shocked
when they realized how long previous arrivals had been there, some feeling
initial terrible waves of hopelessness when learning that others had been
there 10 or more years---in some cases since WWI and the Polish/Soviet war
1919/20, or even earlier, more than one generation!---having settled into a
kind of surreal family/community life.  I expect most of you heard of the
Russian expression, noted, I believe, in Stefan Weydenfeld's book, "The Ice
Road":  "This is where you will live and this is where you will die."
Inherent ideological hopelessness...  In my work, I learned of some ways in
which survival 'wins':  sometimes in the form of 'faith', and/or out of the
strength/courage/imagination of mothers, and/or in the ability to draw on
the most basic primitive instincts to live, and/or a necessary measure of
hope.  Hope that Poland and the world would never forget them and,
ultimately, free them.  Those who came out were 'permitted'... many were
held back because their labour was so desperately needed for the Soviet war
effort, and camp commanders had outputs to generate, orders to fill, and if
they failed, they too would find themselves suffering harder labour.  What a
system!  The fear of each individual dictates how they interact with/treat
others.  Hunger, sufferance of labour, loss of dignity, all terrible fears
that drove the machine!  Even today, incentives are often established to
draw workers to the remote resource-based camps, including coal mines,
forestry, etc., only for workers to find after a long period of labour, the
pay not always forthcoming.  I recall reading about coal miner's striking
some years ago... the system still depends on labour, most of it sojourners
who have families, homes, communities elsewhere.  The remote 'places' not
always appealing for long-term family/community living, and the money not
always trickling down to labour's pockets.  Just some musings... Helen.

#4797 From: jmicchelli@...
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:55 am
Subject: Re: earlier deportees; kresy #541
micchelli77
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Helen,
Just a bit of trivia -  on my recent trip to Germany a friend of mine had some pictures of the Germans who had been deported to Siberia before the Poles - these Germans were building the railroad that eventually carried our relatives to Siberia.
janie



In a message dated 3/31/2003 7:24:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, hel.mac@... writes:


Of the thirty-eight individuals I interviewed for my research, a large
number recalled encountering on their arrival Ukrainians, Poles, and others
(e.g. German, Japanese, Chechen, etc.) who had been there for some years...........



#4798 From: "Richard Widerynski" <richpna@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: FW: [PAC_ND] New book on Borderland events in WW2
feb10transport
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Dear Stefan,
I assume your right, it is probably in Polish.
Rich Widerynski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
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Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:31 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] FW: [PAC_ND] New book on Borderland events in WW2


Richard,
I believe that this book is mainly in Polish, is it not (other than the
intro)?

Stefan Wisniowski

> From: "Richard Widerynski" <richpna@...>
>
> Dear Stefan,
> Don't know if you or the KS group are aware of this new book so I'm
sending
> on some info.
> Regards,
> Rich Widerynski
>
> Subject: [PAC_ND] New book on Borderland events in WW2
>
>
>> EJSZYSZKI: THE BACKGROUND TO THE EVENTS IN EJSZYSZKI - THE EPILOGUE TO
>> POLISH-JEWISH RELATIONS IN THE EASTERN BORDERLANDS, 1944-1945.
>> Marek Jan Chodakiewicz, Ed.
>> 554 pgs.
>> Fronda Publications, Warsaw 2003
>> Price 40.50 zl. (ab. $10) when ordered online (plus S&H)
>> http://www.ksiegarnia.fronda.pl/sklep.php?a=4&id=973
>>
>> A 2-volume collection of NKVD (precursor of KGB) records, Jewish and
>> Christian memoirs and historical essays collected and edited with a
>> bi-lingual (English and Polish) introduction by Marek Jan Chodakiewicz,
>> Kosciuszko Chair Professor of Polish Studies at the University of
>> Virginia and nominee in 2002 for the J. Mackiewicz award for his book
>> "Jews and Poles, 1918-1955" (Fronda, 2000). This is the first historical
>> work in Poland on the true events in Ejszyszki, making possible the
>> refutation of the theses of Yaffa Eliach in this matter. Fascinating
>> reading!
>>
>> The contributors include Dr. John Radzilowski, Dr. Jaroslaw Wolkonowski,
>> and others.
>> The eye witness testimonies are by Icchak Sonensohn, Wanda Lisowska,
>> Leibke Kaganovich, Witold Andruszkiewicz, and others.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



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#4799 From: "Robert Ambros" <AmbrosR@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 5:26 pm
Subject: Novel about Anders' Army wins award
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Hello.  I have just been informed that my historical novel about
Anders'Army entitled 'The Brief Sun' has won 1st place in the
10th Annual Writer's Digest International Self-Published Book Awards -
  genre fiction category.  There were over 2100 books entered with
over 350 in the genre fiction category.

I believe this is further evidence that people who are not of Polish
descent find this story fascintating with exposure being the limiting
factor.

For anyone interested, there is an electronic version of this novel
available under "files."

Thanks,
Bob Ambros

#4800 From: Eve5J@...
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: Novel about Anders' Army wins award
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Congratulations, Bob!  This is spectacular news!  First Place!

Eve

#4801 From: jmicchelli@...
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Novel about Anders' Army wins award
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Bob,
Wonderful news!!  Congratulations...............
janie :-)




I have just been informed that my historical novel about
> Anders'Army entitled 'The Brief Sun' has won 1st place in the
> 10th Annual Writer's Digest International Self-Published Book Awards - genre
fiction category.  There were over 2100 books entered with over 350 in the genre
fiction category.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Ambros

#4802 From: "Krystyna Freiburger" <krystynafreiburger@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: Novel about Anders' Army wins award
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Wonderful wonderful news...congratulations Bob !!!
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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Novel about Anders' Army wins award

Hello.  I have just been informed that my historical novel about
Anders'Army entitled 'The Brief Sun' has won 1st place in the
10th Annual Writer's Digest International Self-Published Book Awards -
genre fiction category.  There were over 2100 books entered with
over 350 in the genre fiction category.

I believe this is further evidence that people who are not of Polish
descent find this story fascintating with exposure being the limiting
factor.

For anyone interested, there is an electronic version of this novel
available under "files."

Thanks,
Bob Ambros





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#4803 From: "Anthony Dzimitrowicz" <adzimitrowicz@...>
Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:22 pm
Subject: Re: Novel about Anders' Army wins award
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Congratulations on your award. You can take much pride in this event due to your effort. I do have one question, that is, where (which web site) might I find the electronic version of your book?
Thank you and I look forward to reading your book.
Anthony Dzimitrowicz 
 
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Wonderful wonderful news...congratulations Bob !!!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Novel about Anders' Army wins award

Hello.  I have just been informed that my historical novel about
Anders'Army entitled 'The Brief Sun' has won 1st place in the
10th Annual Writer's Digest International Self-Published Book Awards -
genre fiction category.  There were over 2100 books entered with
over 350 in the genre fiction category.

I believe this is further evidence that people who are not of Polish
descent find this story fascintating with exposure being the limiting
factor.

For anyone interested, there is an electronic version of this novel
available under "files."

Thanks,
Bob Ambros





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#4804 From: "John Mahoney" <mahoneys@...>
Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Previous Deportations of Poles to Siberia
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There are lots of interesting sites under a search "forced labor camps in siberia". One of these sites talks about the deportees in the early 30's,and most of them were executed prior to amnesty.  There are over 4000 sites I only have checked out  about 30. Some of course repeat. Also there is a book about Stalin the Purge of The thirties. I made have read about it in there.----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Previous Deportations of Poles to Siberia

Stefan,
Yes, these Poles were from Minsk according to the book, and it was the 1930s.  I forgot to include the date in my post.  The thing that I found surprising about this, was again the Polish Government "forgot" about those Poles as well.  The particular posiolek the writer referred to was built by these previously deported Poles and not Ukrainians. 

Some months ago my aunt told me that her teacher in the USSR had a Polish surname which she still remembers.  Some of the posioleks were built by Ukrainians and others by Poles.  I wonder if any of the previously deported left the USSR when amnesty was granted.

The writer must have been incorrect though, because Minsk was part of interwar Poland, wasn't it.  How could the Soviets deport Polish citizens at that time?  Interesting.

Ewa  


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It sounds like this reference is to the Poles who were deported from the western USSR (eg. eastern Ukraine) in the 1930's (ie. prior to the war).  There were Poles all through this area, though thinning out generally as one went further east.  And the Ukrainians were also deported during the "Great Famine" imposed by Stalin to force farm collectivisation.  Millions died, and many were deported to build the special settlements that were later there (their previous inhabitants having died or been moved on) for some of the Poles to move into.





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#4805 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 2:01 am
Subject: Re: Novel about Anders' Army wins award
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This can be downloaded from the page
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/files/

The specific file, for direct access, is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/files/The%20Brief%20Sun.pdf

Stefan Wisniowski

Congratulations on your award. You can take much pride in this event due to your effort. I do have one question, that is, where (which web site) might I find the electronic version of your book?
Thank you and I look forward to reading your book.
Anthony Dzimitrowicz

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