Od: richard.czarnecki

Do: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Wysłano: 8 stycznia 2002 14:00

Temat: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Translation help for you - Abercorn camp article - here's the help for Stefan Wisniowski, Sydney

on Stefan Wisniowski, Sydney - Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

Hi Stefan, cześć, witam,

here’s a test as translate the very short first text as a volunteer, you’ve asked for it. It’s very interested but arduous & with some difficulties because at first I’m not a professional translator, then I’ve just only software for translations between German & English languages (not for Polish – do maybe have someone from the group free software for translation between Polish + German + English?, it would be very helpfully for me) & then there are same words in the texts, coming from east Polish or Ukrainian or Russian?, which all my dictionaries don’t know at all, like “Oblast” or “Posiolek”?. But if nobody shall translate the secound one text for you, which’s a lot longer & my translate is satisfying you, wait a few days please & I’ll translate for you also that text. All that is very interested at anyway.

See also the attachment.

Greetings. Cześć.

Yours. Richard in Hamburg.

Regards, pozdrawiam,

 

THORNY AWAY ACCORDING TO ABERCORN

 

My father was a forester, from this basis the whole family is in the first group of the marketed ones deported – to Oblast (area/district) Archangielsk. During a few months we lived in Posiolek Iksa (Ring Niandom), where Ukrainians who were deported from Ukraine 1930 lived. When the building of the hut/shack was ended in the deeper taiga areas, Polish families were brought onto the place which one designated as “Quarter 93”. We were same families. When one announced the amnesty for the banished Polish, ones through which representation of the Polish embassy informs in Archangelsk, at the end of October 1941 there we broke then open south direction of the Soviet Union.

----- Original Message -----

From: Stefan Wisniowski

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:52 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Traanslation help please - Abercorn camp article

Hi all,
Could I ask for a volunteer to translate the Polish excerpt on Abercorn camp
in Africa, which can be found attached as 3 JPEG images on the previous
message "More on Abercorn"?

I believe that it would be of interest not only to Rachael, whose mother
stayed there, but also to the rest of the group.

Please reply to let the list know if you are volunteering so we do not
duplicate your efforts.  Many thanks in advance - dziekuje serdecznie.

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FLASZECKI Eugeniusz <eugeniusz.flaszecki@...> napisał:

>Lwów: oficjalne otwarcie Cmentarza Orl±t
>
> Ambasador Ukrainy w Polsce, Dmytro Pawłyczko potwierdził, że pod koniec
> lutego 2002 roku nast±pi uroczyste otwarcie Cmentarza Orl±t, w którym udział
> wezm± prezydenci obu krajów.
> Udało się osi±gn±ć kompromis...
>
> 2002-01-02 01:04
> 
> <http://www.fotoputto.com.pl/lwow/news/dod_komentarz.php3?temat=[18.12]_Lwów> :_oficjalne_otwarcie_Cmentarza_Orl±t> skomentuj  |
> <http://www.fotoputto.com.pl/lwow/news/komentarze.php3?temat=[18.12]_Lwów:_o> ficjalne_otwarcie_Cmentarza_Orl±t> komentarze [0] |
> <http://www.fotoputto.com.pl/lwow/news/drukuj.php3?temat=[18.12]_Lwów:_oficj> alne_otwarcie_Cmentarza_Orl±t>  |
> <http://www.fotoputto.com.pl/lwow/news/wyslij.php3?temat=[18.12]_Lwów:_oficj> alne_otwarcie_Cmentarza_Orl±t>  |
> <http://www.fotoputto.com.pl/lwow/news/news_full.php3?tm=2002-01-02_01:04>

>
> Eugeniusz Flaszecki
> 

Apologies, the last post is a bit misleading
it's all in Polish

Paul

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I have received this notification of a new Polish book which takes places in the Kresy during WW2 and is a type of memoir of experiences.  I am pleased to pass this information on to the group.  Although I could translate it, the book is in Polish and if you can't read the e-mail, you probably won't be able to read the book!

Jasne?
Pozdrawiam,

From: Pawe? Tkaczyk <midea@...>
Subject: Nowa ksiazka

Midea, sp. z o.o.
ul. Norwida 19/6
50-374 Wroc?aw
tel. (71) 328 09 87
NIP: 898-16-32-322  
Witam serdecznie,

Reprezentujeś wroc?awskie wydawnictwo ASTRUM. Pracujemy w?as´nie nad ksiaśz™kaś, której akcja osadzona jest na Kresach, w czasach II Wojny S´wiatowej. Ksiaśz™ka pisana jest przez "kogos´ stamtaśd" - stanowi cos´ w rodzaju rozliczenia sieś z przesz?os´ciaś (jest miejscami pikantna i skandalizujaśca, autor pisze pod pseudonimem). Planowany termin wydania to marzec 2002.

Chcielibys´my, aby informacja o ksiaśz™ce dotar?a do jak najwieśkszej ilos´ci ludzi zainteresowanych taś tematykaś. Z pewnos´ciaś Pana orientacja w s´rodowisku Kresowiaków mog?aby nam pomóc. Prosilibys´my o podanie adresów, telefonów lub e-maili os´rodków kultury kresowej (czasopisma, fundacje, stowarzyszenia). Jes´li nie sprawi to Panu k?opotu, oczywis´cie.

Wiem równiez™, z™e istniejaś grupy dyskusyjne pos´wieścone kresowiakom i ich kulturze. Niestety - mam problemy z dotarciem do nich. Czy by?by Pan tak uprzejmy i przes?a? mój apel (im wieścej informacji tym lepiej) na te listy?

Pozdrawiam i licześ na pozytywny odzew

Pawe? Tkaczyk  p-tkaczyk@...
Wydawnictwo ASTRUM   www.astrum.wroc.pl <http://www.astrum.wroc.pl>

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Od: Stefan Wisniowski

Do: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

DW: Pawe? Tkaczyk

Wysłano: 10 stycznia 2002 14:25

Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Nowa ksiazka

I have received this notification of a new Polish book which takes places in the Kresy during WW2 and is a type of memoir of experiences.  I am pleased to pass this information on to the group.  Although I could translate it, the book is in Polish and if you can't read the e-mail, you probably won't be able to read the book!

Jasne?
Pozdrawiam,

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Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

From: Pawe? Tkaczyk <midea@...>
Subject: Nowa ksiazka

Midea, sp. z o.o.
ul. Norwida 19/6
50-374 Wroc?aw
tel. (71) 328 09 87
NIP: 898-16-32-322  
Witam serdecznie,

Reprezentujeœ wroc?awskie wydawnictwo ASTRUM. Pracujemy w?as´nie nad ksiaœz™kaœ, której akcja osadzona jest na Kresach, w czasach II Wojny S´wiatowej. Ksiaœz™ka pisana jest przez "kogos´ stamtaœd" - stanowi cos´ w rodzaju rozliczenia sieœ z przesz?os´ciaœ (jest miejscami pikantna i skandalizujaœca, autor pisze pod pseudonimem). Planowany termin wydania to marzec 2002.

Chcielibys´my, aby informacja o ksiaœz™ce dotar?a do jak najwieœkszej ilos´ci ludzi zainteresowanych taœ tematykaœ. Z pewnos´ciaœ Pana orientacja w s´rodowisku Kresowiaków mog?aby nam pomóc. Prosilibys´my o podanie adresów, telefonów lub e-maili os´rodków kultury kresowej (czasopisma, fundacje, stowarzyszenia). Jes´li nie sprawi to Panu k?opotu, oczywis´cie.

Wiem równiez™, z™e istniejaœ grupy dyskusyjne pos´wieœcone kresowiakom i ich kulturze. Niestety - mam problemy z dotarciem do nich. Czy by?by Pan tak uprzejmy i przes?a? mój apel (im wieœcej informacji tym lepiej) na te listy?

Pozdrawiam i liczeœ na pozytywny odzew

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You may have already seen this very interesting article on compensation for
properties of the people dislocated from the Kresy when they were taken over
by the USSR after WW2.

It is from the Warsaw Voice from 1 April 2001 (no, it is not a "Prima
Aprilis" - April Fools Day joke).

http://www.warsawvoice.pl/v649/News07.html
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Stefan Wisniowski

This {then} truth what writes on page {side}
http://www.warsawvoice.pl/v649/News07.html

I have judgement given in Poland in 1996 year
Office Premiere RP in Poland writes" not can {perhaps} show {point} of
time -limit of settlement of matter"
Office Presidential RP And. Kwasniewski" does not answer on magazines
{writing}"
State on 2002 01 10
Wladyslaw Czapski look  http://fire.us.wroc.pl/biorytm/

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Wyslano: 10 stycznia 2002 15:10
Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] The Legacy of Relocation and compensation


> You may have already seen this very interesting article on compensation
for
> properties of the people dislocated from the Kresy when they were taken
over
> by the USSR after WW2.
>
> It is from the Warsaw Voice from 1 April 2001 (no, it is not a "Prima
> Aprilis" - April Fools Day joke).
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Hello everyone,

Being a new member (since January 1, 2001), I took Stefan's advice and
read through all of the previous messages in order to bring myself
upto date and to avoid going over the same ground. This was VERY
tedious (although interesting). As the number of messages posted
climbs ever higher, new members will find this task quite daunting.

I hope to be an active participant in the group. I am not computer
literate (I can't even open e-mail attachments - don't laugh, this is
embarrassing). My Polish language skills are poor. I will have to help
out in other ways.

I would first like to thank Stefan and his colleagues for producing
and maintaining the site. I have already learned so much.

Henry

Here are some websites that have helped me with my research:

1)Polish medals at http://home.golden.net/~medals/polish.html

Not as thorough as a book on the subject but a great first place to go
to. I was able to learn about and identify most of my father's medals
at this site.

2)Map of Poland at www.pilot.pl

A great search engine for towns and villages of modern day Poland.
Enter the name of the town and click on "pokaz miasto." Also, there
is a useful feature when you don't know the correct spelling of a
place. Enter the first few letters follwed by an asterisk. The engine
then lists all of the possibilities with their geographical location.

3) FEEFHS map room at www.FEEFHS.org (click on "Map Room")

The Federation of Eastern European Family History Societies website.
They have old maps on line such as Galicia, Belarus and so on. Look up
the map and pull out your magnifying glass.

Also, I just came across this site:

Instytut Jozefa Pilsudskiego at http://dione.ids.pl/~ijp

The Jozef Pilsudski Institute of America in New York City. Their
website is under construction. I have e-mailed them and they have
described themselves as a small, non-profit archive with limited
resources. The website offers a tantalizing taste of what can be found
in their files. We will have to visit the Institue in person and have
a look around.

Hope this is helpful,

Henry

Hello William:
I am also sending this to the Kresy-Siberia group, in case it means
something to someone else.

Well, its rather late but better late than never.
Around 6 months ago I asked you about my surname, your response is below
and in it you refered me to:
Instytut Jezyka Polskiego PAN

I wrote them and I did receive a response.  You asked that I share it
and here is are some excerpts from the Instytut.  The Instytut also
found several similiar names as you did in the Polish register, but no
exact matches of Z.elwietro. There are certain diacritical marks that I
can not emulate so I will just place the mark after the letter it works
on (eg. Z.elwietro).  One diacritical mark that I can't make is a
upside-down ^, which is heavily used in these excerpts.  With your
indulgence I will use ^ in its place.

"Your surname seems to have a Lithuanian origin."
"In the Lithuanian alphabet your surname would be spelt Z^elvietro, but
I have not found any Z^elvietro nor Z^elvetro."  First, I supposed, that
the source of your surname was the name of a village, but I have found
no village with such name. So I suppose that your name was created with
two parts: Z^e.ly~s and Ve.'tra (note there are 2 diacritical marks)
which were personal names.  The name Z^e.ly~s comes from the Lithuainian
verb z^elti, apz^elti which means  'to grow up, to rise'. The name
Ve.'tra means'a whirlwind, a tempest'."
"I have found also the names of villages with the same source as your
surname:
Z^e.liai (in Lithuania, near Pagegiai, Plas^kiai and near the town
Gaideliai) and Ve.trakaimis (in Lithuania near Ylava, Udravangis,
Skrumbainai and nowadays Wiatrowiec in Poland, near the town of
Sepopol.  The names of villages have its sources in personal names:
Z^e.ly~s and Ve.'tra, the same as the source of your surname."

That's the focus of the response.  I feel better now than I did before,
so that's something.  I'm happy with the results although I was upset to
hear that my International Postal Money order was not accepted in
Poland, (the fee for the service).  I can't think of a more secure,
reliable method of sending money.

I also want to thank the many individuals on this list who have directly
and indirectly helped me so far (esp. Barbara, Stefan, William, Irene
and others.  And to thank all listers who go out of the way to help
others and do their best to maintain calm when the topics get 'dodgy' as
you Brits say.

Thank you,
Joe



"William F. Hoffman" wrote:
>
> To: Joe Zelwietro <deplib@...>
>
> Hi,
>
> > I hope you can help.  I have been trying to learn more about my heritage
> > and see if I have any family in Poland.  I have NEVER found anyone with
> > my surname, not in Canada (my birthplace) nor anywhere else (major US
> > cities, London UK, Paris and (many Polish websites).  I have been told
> > by other Poles that the name is unique.  I am presently in the process
> > of confirming my Polish citizenship and even the Polish Consulate in
> > Canada admit that the name is rare. My father emigrated after the WWII.
> > The name  has been anglicized to Zelwietro. Although on my father's Army
> > Polish discharge papers it is written:
> > Zelwietro (but with a . above the Z)
> > He was born in a small village near Wilno (now Vilnius) and was called
> > Bortkiwiecze in 1919.
> > Have you ever heard or seen that name.
>
> I had not ever run into this name before, and none of my sources discuss its
> origin. However, I can give you a little info that may prove helpful.
>
> I use Z* online to indicate the dotted z, which is pronounced much like the
> "zh" in "Zhivago," or like the "s" in English "measure." So for clarity's
> sake, to distinguish it from possible forms with undotted Z, I'd spell it
> Z*ELWIETRO, and it would be pronounced roughly "zhelv-YET-row."
>
> As of 1990, according to the best data available (the _Slownik nazwisk
> wspolczesnie w Polsce uzywanych_, "Directory of Surnames in Current Use in
> Poland," which covers about 94% of the population of Poland), there were no
> Polish citizens who spelled the name Z*ELWIETRO. But there were 13 who
> spelled it Z*ELWETRA, all living somewhere in Bydgoszcz province. There were
> another 8 who spelled it Z*ELWETRO, living in the provinces of Legnica (5)
> and Opole (3). There was also 1 named Z*ELWIETR, living somewhere in Krakow
> province. From the point of view of a student and names, it is highly likely
> these are all variants of one basic name -- the differences in spelling and
> pronunciation are very tiny, and the basic name is highly distinctive. It is
> also quite possible they all came from the same area originally, and have
> been widely dispersed because of all the dislocations caused by wars over
> the last century.
>
> Unfortunately I don't have access to further details such as first names or
> addresses, so I can't tell you how to find that info. But in the July 2000
> issue of the _Polish-American Journal_, the PAJ Answerman suggested one can
> find individuals or families "by contacting the one office in Poland that
> has on file the addresses of all people currently living in Poland:
> Centralne Biuro Adresowe, ul. Kazimierzowska 60, 02-543 Warsaw, POLAND." I
> have no idea whether this works or not, I've never tried it. But I thought
> it worth passing on, in case it might help you find some relatives. This
> name is rare enough that if you got in contact with any of the people
> mentioned above, it might just lead somewhere.
>
> None of the sources I have mention the origin of this name. If you would
> like to get an opinion from the real experts and don't mind spending about
> $20, you can write the Anthroponymic Workshop of the Polish Language
> Institute in Krakow. The staff consists of Polish scholars specializing in
> name origins, with access to large collections of material on the subject;
> there is surely no one else in the world better qualified to answer
> questions on Polish names. They can correspond in English, and the charge
> for researching a single name is seldom more than $20. You write to them
> with your request, and the individual who does the research will reply, and
> will tell you how much he/she is charging and how best to send payment. It
> is usually quite painless, and most people I hear from are very satisfied
> with the results; but the staff has been a bit slow lately in answering
> letters -- they have lots of other work to do, after all -- so patience is
> advisable. If you'd like to give this a try, here's the address:
>
>      Instytut Jezyka Polskiego PAN
>      Pracownia Antroponimiczna
>      Al. Mickiewicza 31
>      31-120 Kraków
>      POLAND
>
> If you do write them and get an answer, I'd be interested in hearing what
> they say. I seldom run into a name for which I have no idea at all about its
> origin. If you can pass on some info on the name's origin, I'd like to
> include it in future versions of my book on Polish surnames.
>
> That's about all I can tell you. I hope it's some help, and wish you the
> best of luck with your research.
>
> William F. Hoffman
> Author, "Polish Surnames: Origins & Meanings"

Thanks for the note, Henry, and for your offer to help out as well as the
useful website links, which we will put on to our website.  It is important
to spread the information we have and to help others understand the history.

I am not sure what else we can do about reading all of the messages, except
to say that there is a "search" function on the website so that people can
look for messages with specific items of interest.  My next suggestion is
that you visit our website, www.AForgottenOdyssey.com" and follow the links
for further information.  Then, get a copy of the film itself, which is in
English and is excellent (if you are in Toronto, group member Wanda Truksa
has a copy).

I hope that we can put on foot a number of "projects" to get people involved
in ways that further their own goals as well.  I'm sure that we would like
to have help with specific sections of the website, such as "Photographs",
"References", "Links", "Family Database", "Frequently Asked Questions", etc.
Certainly, I ask all members to forward anything they find of interest in
these categories so we can put them up for the group.

We have been pretty ad hoc so far, as is appropriate in a starting up mode.
I invite any comments from people who wish to suggest (and volunteer for)
some specific projects to move us forward on "Research, Remembrance, and
Recognition" of our families' experiences.

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

> From: "henrysokolowski" <hsokol@...>
> Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:40:14 -0000
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] reading all messages
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Being a new member (since January 1, 2001), I took Stefan's advice and
> read through all of the previous messages in order to bring myself
> upto date and to avoid going over the same ground. This was VERY
> tedious (although interesting). As the number of messages posted
> climbs ever higher, new members will find this task quite daunting.
>
> I hope to be an active participant in the group. I am not computer
> literate (I can't even open e-mail attachments - don't laugh, this is
> embarrassing). My Polish language skills are poor. I will have to help
> out in other ways.
>
> I would first like to thank Stefan and his colleagues for producing
> and maintaining the site. I have already learned so much.
>
> Henry

Stefan

From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <linder@...>

Dear Group,

Can someone help me out please?

I'm trying to fill a gap in my fathers life. He was 25 years old, farmer, living/working in Nachaczow [Nahaciv], Jaworow [Jahaciv], Lwow [Lviv] when the 'September Campaign' began. He was 'grabbed' and sent to Siberia.

Now, I've always assumed that he was 'grabbed', probably, from his home or the fields, BUT, I'm sure I've read recently[somewhere on the Net], that at the age of 21 years, young men enlisted into 'some sort of Army/Forces', this would be 1934/1935?

This is the old Kresy area, now West Ukraine, right on the current border with Poland.

Thanks people

Linder

Anyone with any idea's?

Great idea, Henry, please go ahead. I encourage other members to do likewise
if they can.  We now have over 70 members, and the more we get, the better
chance of making connections and getting things done!  I would also like to
find a way to get some members from Poland into the group (there are over 1
million former residents of Kresy or their descendants there, many of who
went through USSR exile - some of them may be interested in learning more
about the history or be able to help us) - perhaps Wladyslaw can assist on
this one.

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

> From: Henry Sokolowski <hsokol@...>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:05:35 -0500
> To: kresy-siberia-owner@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: attracting new members
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> I would like to try, with your permission, to spread the word about
> Kresy-Siberia to local and Canadian groups such as internet groups,
> churches, clubs and so on. I hope to accomplish this by all possible
> means of communication such as letters, notes or posted bulletins that
> would go something like this (in Polish and English):
>
> TO ALL SURVIVORS AND RELATIVES OF SURVIVORS OF THE SOVIET DEPORTATIONS
> TO SIBERIA IN THE WWII ERA
> You are invited to join our internet group "Kresy-Siberia" dedicated to
> the research, recognition and remembrance of the people and events of
> this unfortunate period in Polish history.
> Visit our site at ...
>
> What do you think?
>
> Henry Sokolowski
>
>
>
>

I must agree with Henry, being a little more computer literate but my
writing and deciphering of Polish is not good.  However my Aunt is a
translator here and works for many government agencies so I will bring
her 'talents' into use for us.
BJ

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Edith Cowan University
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>>> hsokol@... 11/01/02 12:40:14 am >>>
Hello everyone,

Being a new member (since January 1, 2001), I took Stefan's advice and

read through all of the previous messages in order to bring myself
upto date and to avoid going over the same ground. This was VERY
tedious (although interesting). As the number of messages posted
climbs ever higher, new members will find this task quite daunting.

I hope to be an active participant in the group. I am not computer
literate (I can't even open e-mail attachments - don't laugh, this is
embarrassing). My Polish language skills are poor. I will have to help

out in other ways.

I would first like to thank Stefan and his colleagues for producing
and maintaining the site. I have already learned so much.

Henry


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Od: Stefan Wisniowski

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Wysłano: 11 stycznia 2002 01:46

Temat: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Question from Linder Stachnik

Linder,
If he was in the armed forces (or the border forces) he would have been captured by the Red Army in September 1939 and sent to a POW camp in the USSR.  Can you give us any clues about what happened to him in Siberia and afterwards?  It is now possible to research old soviet archives and they may be able to yield more information...
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From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <linder@...>

Dear Group,

Can someone help me out please?

I'm trying to fill a gap in my fathers life. He was 25 years old, farmer, living/working in Nachaczow [Nahaciv], Jaworow [Jahaciv], Lwow [Lviv] when the 'September Campaign' began. He was 'grabbed' and sent to Siberia.

Now, I've always assumed that he was 'grabbed', probably, from his home or the fields, BUT, I'm sure I've read recently[somewhere on the Net], that at the age of 21 years, young men enlisted into 'some sort of Army/Forces', this would be 1934/1935?

This is the old Kresy area, now West Ukraine, right on the current border with Poland.

Thanks people

Linder

Anyone with any idea's?

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Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Question from Linder Stachnik

Dear Group,

 

Can someone help me out please?

 

I'm trying to fill a gap in my fathers life. He was 25 years old, farmer, living/working in Nachaczow [Nahaciv], Jaworow [Jahaciv], Lwow [Lviv] when the 'September Campaign' began. He was 'grabbed' and sent to Siberia.

 

Now, I've always assumed that he was 'grabbed', probably, from his home or the fields, BUT, I'm sure I've read recently[somewhere on the Net], that at the age of 21 years, young men enlisted into 'some sort of Army/Forces', this would be 1934/1935?

 

This is the old Kresy area, now West Ukraine, right on the current border with Poland.

 

Thanks people

 

Linder

 

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Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Polesie map

PoleToday sie is near the boarder of Ukraine.

Click here: http://www.login.eunet.no/~lyngar/lions/m-test3

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Dear Group,
 
Can someone help me out please?
 
I'm trying to fill a gap in my fathers life. He was 25 years old, farmer, living/working in Nachaczow [Nahaciv], Jaworow [Jahaciv], Lwow [Lviv] when the 'September Campaign' began. He was 'grabbed' and sent to Siberia.
 
Now, I've always assumed that he was 'grabbed', probably, from his home or the fields, BUT, I'm sure I've read recently[somewhere on the Net], that at the age of 21 years, young men enlisted into 'some sort of Army/Forces', this would be 1934/1935?
 
This is the old Kresy area, now West Ukraine, right on the current border with Poland.
 
Thanks people
 
Linder
 
Anyone with any idea's?

Hello People:
    I've been a member of this group for a few months and I never had a chance to post a message, due to Christmas and moving, getting hooked up to the internet again, my brand new computer was laid to rest, the hard drive died, and the list goes on.
    First I just like to thank the people who thought up the idea of this web site, my father who passed away this year would have been very proud that we think enough of our fore fathers, that we do not let their memories die.
    When my father passed away he left his medals and some personal papers to me, I was fortunate enough that a lot of his original papers are intacted. I was hoping that someone out there could help me with some of the information on my fathers' Certificate of Demobilization, it is hard to understand the writing, it was issued in "Predappio Italy on Oct. 15, 1946." I cannot find that name on the map.  I have only four of his medals, on the same certificate on part 14 under decorations they are listed as follows,"Br.K.Z.zM., K.M.C., G.W.1939/45., G.IT., B.C.M.S., C.MONTE CAS., The 1939/45 STAR, IT STAR." In part 18 and 19 it states that he was demobilized from the Polish Forces abroad on Nov. 13 1946 and transfered to Service Territorial. I'm getting a little ahead of myself, the questions I was asking, what are the medals that are listed and what was "Service Territorial"? And finally my dads' place of birth is listed as "Karlowicze pawii Rohiczyn waj: Polesie Polska" and to top it off I cannot find that on the map.
    Looking back and trying to imagin what my father went through by being deported to Siberia and fighting with the British, one would think that coming to Canada would be his first real taste of living in a free country, I thought so, until I ran across a wallet size docuement with my dads name on it ,  it reads "Department of Labour Canada. This is to certify that Polish Veteran Leon Bancarz has discharged the undertaking made with the Government of Canada to remain in specified employment for a fixed period of time upon admission to Canada. Dated Aug.22/49. Its signed by the minister of Labour and the Deputy Minister, I remember that my dad told me one time that he had to work on a farm in Quebec for two years in order to stay in Canada, my mother had to work on a farm also she also had no choice, but in her case she was deported to Germany, from Poland. So if anyone out there can help me? Thank you.
                                                                                  God Bless, Gary.                          
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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