Hi Ann,



Welcome to the Group!



I read your post with interest and a little confusion.  Was it your father who

was in the Air Force?  If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

right away.  He originally signed up for Anders Army.  At that time in the USSR,

there was only one Polish army.  Your father was probably transferred to the Air

Force later on when he was in the Middle East.



My father followed a similar path.  He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early

1943.  He also traveled from Capetown.



I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India.  Do you

have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?



I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain.  That would be

interesting to find out.  Do you know if your father was being transferred to

train to become a paratrooper?  That is the story my father always told us,

although we have no record of his training.  The records we received from the

Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured

Division.  I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.



If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

know.  I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on.  Thanks.



Barbara Soja Revoet

Connecticut





--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce

> myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern Poland,

> and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother

> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle

> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his

> family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

later

> to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If anyone

> can help me with this I would be most pleased. 

>

>

> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. 

His

> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where

> she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and

> were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most terrible

> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

>

> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea

> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He

> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on. 

Any

> help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's

> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped

me

> a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,

> London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

00-926

> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves of

> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I

> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records

of

> my family.

>

> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -

> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail

> ok@...

>

>

> I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how

to

> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.   I

> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

>

> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

>  

>

> Ann

>

Welcome, Ann.

Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division in

my Dad's case).

I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have any

dates for various legs of your father's journey?

If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in South

Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

will recognize someone.



I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the

USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find

as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed

with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he

endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.



Contact:

Irena Czernichowska

czernichowska@...



General address

archives@...



Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining to

your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

suggestions given here between brackets.)



Family Name:  (include alternative spellings)



First Name:



Birth Date:



Birth Location:



Father:



Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)



Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service prior

to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details could

assist finding documents.)



Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any details

of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or service,

etc.)



You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents have

been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.



Good luck in your quest.



John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada









________________________________

From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial





Hi Ann,



Welcome to the Group!



I read your post with interest and a little confusion.  Was it your father who

was in the Air Force?  If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

right away.  He originally signed up for Anders Army.  At that time in the USSR,

there was only one Polish army.  Your father was probably transferred to the Air

Force later on when he was in the Middle East.





My father followed a similar path.  He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early

1943.  He also traveled from Capetown.





I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India.  Do you

have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?





I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain.  That would be

interesting to find out.  Do you know if your father was being transferred to

train to become a paratrooper?  That is the story my father always told us,

although we have no record of his training.  The records we received from the

Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured

Division.  I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.





If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

know.  I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on.  Thanks.



Barbara Soja Revoet

Connecticut



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce

> myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern Poland,

> and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother

> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle

> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his



> family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

>later

>

> to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If anyone

> can help me with this I would be most pleased.

>

>

> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. 

His

>

> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where

> she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and



> were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most terrible

> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

>

> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea

> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He

> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.

>Any

>

> help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's

> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped

>me

>

> a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,

> London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

>00-926

>

> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves of



> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I

> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records

>of

>

> my family.

>

> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -



> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail

> ok@...

>

>

> I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how

to

>

> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.   I



> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

>

> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

>

>

> Ann

>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello John,

I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My father

was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When

word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a recruitment

record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

presented to the Airforce were acceptable.



He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he

joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be more

information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed

and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.



Thanks very much.

Anna Franklin

Edmonton, Canada.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:

>

> Welcome, Ann.

> Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division

in

> my Dad's case).

> I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have

any

> dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

South

> Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

> will recognize someone.

>

> I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the

> USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find

> as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed

> with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he

> endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

>

> Contact:

> Irena Czernichowska

> czernichowska@...

>

> General address

> archives@...

>

> Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining

to

> your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> suggestions given here between brackets.)

>

> Family Name:  (include alternative spellings)

>

> First Name:

>

> Birth Date:

>

> Birth Location:

>

> Father:

>

> Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

>

> Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

prior

> to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

could

> assist finding documents.)

>

> Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

details

> of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

service,

> etc.)

>

> You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

have

> been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

>

> Good luck in your quest.

>

> John Halucha

> Sault Ste Marie, Canada

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

>

> Hi Ann,

>

> Welcome to the Group!

>

> I read your post with interest and a little confusion.  Was it your father who

> was in the Air Force?  If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

> right away.  He originally signed up for Anders Army.  At that time in the

USSR,

> there was only one Polish army.  Your father was probably transferred to the

Air

> Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

>

>

> My father followed a similar path.  He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

> Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early

> 1943.  He also traveled from Capetown.

>

>

> I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India.  Do you

> have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

>

>

> I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain.  That would

be

> interesting to find out.  Do you know if your father was being transferred to

> train to become a paratrooper?  That is the story my father always told us,

> although we have no record of his training.  The records we received from the

> Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured

> Division.  I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

>

>

> If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

> know.  I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on.  Thanks.

>

> Barbara Soja Revoet

> Connecticut

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce

> > myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern

Poland,

> > and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle

> > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and

his

>

> > family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> >later

> >

> > to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If

anyone

> > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> >

> >

> > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. 

His

> >

> > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> > Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

where

> > she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

and

>

> > were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most

terrible

> > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> >

> > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea

> > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He

> > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.

> >Any

> >

> > help would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

grandmother's

> > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

helped

> >me

> >

> > a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,

> > London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> >00-926

> >

> > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves

of

>

> > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I

> > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

records

> >of

> >

> > my family.

> >

> > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia

-

>

> > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail

> > ok@

> >

> >

> > I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how

to

> >

> > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.  

I

>

> > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> >

> > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> >

> >

> > Ann

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Hi Anna welcome to the group. What's the name of the uncle from Poland who was

in the middle east and Italy? Do you know which unit of the Polish 2nd Corps he

was in, or what was his job was?



Regards

Chris..................







________________________________

From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:17:32 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



 

Hello John,

I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My father

was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When

word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a recruitment

record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

presented to the Airforce were acceptable.



He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he

joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be more

information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed

and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.



Thanks very much.

Anna Franklin

Edmonton, Canada.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:

>

> Welcome, Ann.

> Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division

in

>

> my Dad's case).

> I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have

>any

>

> dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

>South

>

> Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

> will recognize someone.

>

> I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the



> USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find



> as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed



> with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he



> endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

>

> Contact:

> Irena Czernichowska

> czernichowska@...

>

> General address

> archives@...

>

> Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining

>to

>

> your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> suggestions given here between brackets.)

>

> Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

>

> First Name:

>

> Birth Date:

>

> Birth Location:

>

> Father:

>

> Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

>

> Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

>prior

>

> to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

>could

>

> assist finding documents.)

>

> Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

details

>

> of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

service,

>

> etc.)

>

> You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

have

>

> been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

>

> Good luck in your quest.

>

> John Halucha

> Sault Ste Marie, Canada

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

>

> Hi Ann,

>

> Welcome to the Group!

>

> I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who

> was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

> right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,



> there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

Air

>

> Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

>

>

> My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

> Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early



> 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

>

>

> I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

> have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

>

>

> I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be



> interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

> train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

> Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured



> Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

>

>

> If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

> know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

>

> Barbara Soja Revoet

> Connecticut

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce



> > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,



> > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and

>his

>

>

> > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> >later

> >

> > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone



> > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> >

> >

> > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.

>His

>

> >

> > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where



> > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

and

>

>

> > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible



> > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> >

> > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea



> > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He

> > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.

> >Any

> >

> > help would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

grandmother's

>

> > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

helped

>

> >me

> >

> > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> >00-926

> >

> > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves

of

>

>

> > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

records

>

> >of

> >

> > my family.

> >

> > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia

>-

>

>

> > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > ok@

> >

> >

> > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how

>to

>

> >

> > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I



>

> > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> >

> > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> >

> >

> > Ann

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Chris,



Very nice to hear from you. I am sorry I don't have much information about my

uncle. My dad told me very little about his war years or about my uncle's. My

uncle's name was Stanislaw Filipek. He was born in 1909 in Moravia,

Czechoslovakia. He was captured by the Russians September 19, 1939 and joined

Anders Army at Tockoje in September,2, 1941. After the war his wife joined him

in England and they lived with us for 3 years before emmigrating to Aregentina.

He died in 1970. I have gone through the 35 or so letters he wrote to my dad

during the war to see if there is any indication of his regiment number. This is

what I found (I don't speak or write Polish and I haven't had the letters

translated yet):



-No.8573 A.R.P, Polish Forces 341, C.M.F. (date stamp is illegible)

-6.5.43, PA/Forces 341 C.M.F.

-12.6.43, PA/Forces 341 C.M.F.

-5.5.44, PA/Forces 342

-28.9.46, Polish Forces 344, Middle East



Perhaps the above indicates which unit he was in. I am sorry, I know very little

about the army. I do have a photograph of my father and uncle in their uniforms

if you think this would help. Let me know and I will send it on. In the

photograph you can see his flashes and his medals.



Regards,

Anna.





--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <wroblew705@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Anna welcome to the group. What's the name of the uncle from Poland who

was

> in the middle east and Italy? Do you know which unit of the Polish 2nd Corps

he

> was in, or what was his job was?

>

> Regards

> Chris..................

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:17:32 AM

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

>  

> Hello John,

> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

father

> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When

> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

>

> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he

> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

more

> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed

> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

>

> Thanks very much.

> Anna Franklin

> Edmonton, Canada.

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome, Ann.

> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division

in

> >

> > my Dad's case).

> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have

> >any

> >

> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

> >South

> >

> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

> > will recognize someone.

> >

> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

the

>

> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

find

>

> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

stayed

>

> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what

he

>

> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

> >

> > Contact:

> > Irena Czernichowska

> > czernichowska@

> >

> > General address

> > archives@

> >

> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

> >to

> >

> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> > suggestions given here between brackets.)

> >

> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

> >

> > First Name:

> >

> > Birth Date:

> >

> > Birth Location:

> >

> > Father:

> >

> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

> >

> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

> >prior

> >

> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

> >could

> >

> > assist finding documents.)

> >

> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

details

> >

> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

service,

> >

> > etc.)

> >

> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

have

> >

> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

> >

> > Good luck in your quest.

> >

> > John Halucha

> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann,

> >

> > Welcome to the Group!

> >

> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

USSR,

>

> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

Air

> >

> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

> >

> >

> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

early

>

> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

> >

> >

> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

> >

> >

> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would

be

>

> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

Armoured

>

> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

> >

> >

> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

> >

> > Barbara Soja Revoet

> > Connecticut

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

introduce

>

> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

Poland,

>

> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and

> >his

> >

> >

> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> > >later

> > >

> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

anyone

>

> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.

> >His

> >

> > >

> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

where

>

> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

and

> >

> >

> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

terrible

>

> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> > >

> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

Sea

>

> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

> > >Any

> > >

> > > help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

grandmother's

> >

> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

helped

> >

> > >me

> > >

> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> > >00-926

> > >

> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves

of

> >

> >

> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

records

> >

> > >of

> > >

> > > my family.

> > >

> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

Siberia

> >-

> >

> >

> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > > ok@

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.

I

>

> >

> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> > >

> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> > >

> > >

> > > Ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

It's nice to see another member from Edmonton....I live here also

.



hania







________________________________

From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:17:32 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



 

Hello John,

I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My father

was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When

word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a recruitment

record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

presented to the Airforce were acceptable.



He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he

joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be more

information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed

and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.



Thanks very much.

Anna Franklin

Edmonton, Canada.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:

>

> Welcome, Ann.

> Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division

in

>

> my Dad's case).

> I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have

>any

>

> dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

>South

>

> Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

> will recognize someone.

>

> I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the



> USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find



> as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed



> with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he



> endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

>

> Contact:

> Irena Czernichowska

> czernichowska@...

>

> General address

> archives@...

>

> Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining

>to

>

> your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> suggestions given here between brackets.)

>

> Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

>

> First Name:

>

> Birth Date:

>

> Birth Location:

>

> Father:

>

> Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

>

> Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

>prior

>

> to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

>could

>

> assist finding documents.)

>

> Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

details

>

> of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

service,

>

> etc.)

>

> You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

have

>

> been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

>

> Good luck in your quest.

>

> John Halucha

> Sault Ste Marie, Canada

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

>

> Hi Ann,

>

> Welcome to the Group!

>

> I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who

> was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

> right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,



> there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

Air

>

> Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

>

>

> My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

> Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early



> 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

>

>

> I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

> have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

>

>

> I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be



> interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

> train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

> Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured



> Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

>

>

> If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

> know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

>

> Barbara Soja Revoet

> Connecticut

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce



> > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,



> > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and

>his

>

>

> > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> >later

> >

> > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone



> > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> >

> >

> > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.

>His

>

> >

> > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where



> > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

and

>

>

> > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible



> > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> >

> > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea



> > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He

> > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.

> >Any

> >

> > help would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

grandmother's

>

> > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

helped

>

> >me

> >

> > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> >00-926

> >

> > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves

of

>

>

> > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

records

>

> >of

> >

> > my family.

> >

> > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia

>-

>

>

> > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > ok@

> >

> >

> > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how

>to

>

> >

> > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I



>

> > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> >

> > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> >

> >

> > Ann

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Hania,

How nice to know I am not the only one from Edmonton. How is your research

coming? I have just started on this quest and new to this group so still

figuring out all the ins and outs of reading and sending messages. I hope I can

be of help to someone although at the moment, I haven't delved into this area of

my family history very much. Looks like winter will be here soon so am looking

forward to hibernating and lots of research.



Cheers,

Anna.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...> wrote:

>

> It's nice to see another member from Edmonton....I live here also

> .

>

> hania

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:17:32 AM

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

>  

> Hello John,

> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

father

> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When

> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

>

> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he

> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

more

> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed

> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

>

> Thanks very much.

> Anna Franklin

> Edmonton, Canada.

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome, Ann.

> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division

in

> >

> > my Dad's case).

> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have

> >any

> >

> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

> >South

> >

> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

> > will recognize someone.

> >

> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

the

>

> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

find

>

> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

stayed

>

> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what

he

>

> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

> >

> > Contact:

> > Irena Czernichowska

> > czernichowska@

> >

> > General address

> > archives@

> >

> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

> >to

> >

> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> > suggestions given here between brackets.)

> >

> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

> >

> > First Name:

> >

> > Birth Date:

> >

> > Birth Location:

> >

> > Father:

> >

> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

> >

> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

> >prior

> >

> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

> >could

> >

> > assist finding documents.)

> >

> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

details

> >

> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

service,

> >

> > etc.)

> >

> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

have

> >

> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

> >

> > Good luck in your quest.

> >

> > John Halucha

> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann,

> >

> > Welcome to the Group!

> >

> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

USSR,

>

> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

Air

> >

> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

> >

> >

> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

early

>

> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

> >

> >

> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

> >

> >

> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would

be

>

> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

Armoured

>

> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

> >

> >

> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

> >

> > Barbara Soja Revoet

> > Connecticut

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

introduce

>

> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

Poland,

>

> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and

> >his

> >

> >

> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> > >later

> > >

> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

anyone

>

> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.

> >His

> >

> > >

> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

where

>

> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

and

> >

> >

> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

terrible

>

> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> > >

> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

Sea

>

> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

> > >Any

> > >

> > > help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

grandmother's

> >

> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

helped

> >

> > >me

> > >

> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> > >00-926

> > >

> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves

of

> >

> >

> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

records

> >

> > >of

> > >

> > > my family.

> > >

> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

Siberia

> >-

> >

> >

> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > > ok@

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.

I

>

> >

> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> > >

> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> > >

> > >

> > > Ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit excited. 

Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was a flight mechanic

working on the Spitfires.  I have his Air Force Record which says he was

enlisted in June 1942.  He did spend some time in Scotland at the beginning. 

He

ended up in the South East of England.   Like your Dad mine was also

in Bombay,

and then Cape Town before coming to England. 





Good luck with the research.

 

Ann

 









________________________________

From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



 

Hello John,

I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My father

was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When

word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a recruitment

record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

presented to the Airforce were acceptable.



He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he

joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be more

information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed

and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.



Thanks very much.

Anna Franklin

Edmonton, Canada.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:

>

> Welcome, Ann.

> Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division

in

>

> my Dad's case).

> I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have

>any

>

> dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

>South

>

> Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

> will recognize someone.

>

> I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the



> USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find



> as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed



> with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he



> endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

>

> Contact:

> Irena Czernichowska

> czernichowska@...

>

> General address

> archives@...

>

> Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining

>to

>

> your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> suggestions given here between brackets.)

>

> Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

>

> First Name:

>

> Birth Date:

>

> Birth Location:

>

> Father:

>

> Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

>

> Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

>prior

>

> to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

>could

>

> assist finding documents.)

>

> Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

details

>

> of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

service,

>

> etc.)

>

> You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

have

>

> been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

>

> Good luck in your quest.

>

> John Halucha

> Sault Ste Marie, Canada

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

>

> Hi Ann,

>

> Welcome to the Group!

>

> I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who

> was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

> right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,



> there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

Air

>

> Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

>

>

> My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

> Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early



> 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

>

>

> I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

> have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

>

>

> I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be



> interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

> train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

> Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured



> Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

>

>

> If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

> know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

>

> Barbara Soja Revoet

> Connecticut

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce



> > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,



> > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and

>his

>

>

> > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> >later

> >

> > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone



> > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> >

> >

> > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.

>His

>

> >

> > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where



> > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

and

>

>

> > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible



> > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> >

> > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea



> > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He

> > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.

> >Any

> >

> > help would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

grandmother's

>

> > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

helped

>

> >me

> >

> > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> >00-926

> >

> > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves

of

>

>

> > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

records

>

> >of

> >

> > my family.

> >

> > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia

>-

>

>

> > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > ok@

> >

> >

> > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how

>to

>

> >

> > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I



>

> > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> >

> > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> >

> >

> > Ann

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Ann,



Yes, it is very exciting to get the snippets of information and to read of

other's experiences and stories. It turns out to be a small world, doesn't it!

My dad was in the 315 Squadron and flew Spitfires until he was shot down. He

then was posted to other squadrons. The documents he kept don't tell very much

but the little my mum told me, I speculate that he suffered battle fatique or

might have had attacks of some type of malaria he caught in Russia. I am

awaiting his service record from the RAF to see what happened. I can hardly

wait. Have you seen the log books that were transcribed from the Polish

Squadron's books held at the National Archives? Did your dad tell you the name

of the ships he was on? Oh, so many questions.



Good hunting,

Anna.







--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit

excited. 

> Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was a flight mechanic

> working on the Spitfires.  I have his Air Force Record which says he was

> enlisted in June 1942.  He did spend some time in Scotland at the

beginning.  He

> ended up in the South East of England.   Like your Dad mine was also

in Bombay,

> and then Cape Town before coming to England. 

>

>

> Good luck with the research.

>  

> Ann

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

>  

> Hello John,

> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

father

> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When

> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

>

> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he

> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

more

> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed

> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

>

> Thanks very much.

> Anna Franklin

> Edmonton, Canada.

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome, Ann.

> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division

in

> >

> > my Dad's case).

> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have

> >any

> >

> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

> >South

> >

> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

> > will recognize someone.

> >

> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

the

>

> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

find

>

> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

stayed

>

> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what

he

>

> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

> >

> > Contact:

> > Irena Czernichowska

> > czernichowska@

> >

> > General address

> > archives@

> >

> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

> >to

> >

> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> > suggestions given here between brackets.)

> >

> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

> >

> > First Name:

> >

> > Birth Date:

> >

> > Birth Location:

> >

> > Father:

> >

> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

> >

> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

> >prior

> >

> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

> >could

> >

> > assist finding documents.)

> >

> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

details

> >

> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

service,

> >

> > etc.)

> >

> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

have

> >

> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

> >

> > Good luck in your quest.

> >

> > John Halucha

> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann,

> >

> > Welcome to the Group!

> >

> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

USSR,

>

> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

Air

> >

> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

> >

> >

> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

early

>

> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

> >

> >

> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

> >

> >

> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would

be

>

> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

Armoured

>

> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

> >

> >

> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

> >

> > Barbara Soja Revoet

> > Connecticut

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

introduce

>

> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

Poland,

>

> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and

> >his

> >

> >

> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> > >later

> > >

> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

anyone

>

> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.

> >His

> >

> > >

> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

where

>

> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

and

> >

> >

> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

terrible

>

> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> > >

> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

Sea

>

> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

> > >Any

> > >

> > > help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

grandmother's

> >

> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

helped

> >

> > >me

> > >

> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> > >00-926

> > >

> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves

of

> >

> >

> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

records

> >

> > >of

> > >

> > > my family.

> > >

> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

Siberia

> >-

> >

> >

> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > > ok@

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.

I

>

> >

> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> > >

> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> > >

> > >

> > > Ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

Hiya Anna, I use the National Archives quite a lot  researching my family

history, but I didn't know they held the Squadron's notes.  Will most

definately

have a nosey at that one so thanks for that information.  I don't know the name

of the ships he travelled on, which is one of the things I am trying to find

out.  He just didn't like to talk about Siberia at all.  It was like he was

trying to block it all out.  What I do remember about him was that he couldn't

stand it on Telly when either children or women were screaming - he just

couldn't cope with it.



I have just read a book called "Finding Poland" by a chap called Mathew Kelly -

it's about a family from Hruzdowa who were tansported in April 1940.  They

were wives and children, and were sent to Khazakistan.   They sailed on the

Caspian Sea on the "Batory", a famous Polish ship.   What part of Poland did

your dad come from?  My dad came from a small village called Oryzkowce which

is

somewhere close to Lwow.  I am hoping very much that we can go back next year,

to find out more.  





Hope the RAF records prove helpful.  I got my Dad's last year, but it didn't

help me much.  I am making the assumption that you also live in

England.    Best

wishes

 

Ann

 









________________________________

From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 21:46:33

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



 

Hello Ann,



Yes, it is very exciting to get the snippets of information and to read of

other's experiences and stories. It turns out to be a small world, doesn't it!

My dad was in the 315 Squadron and flew Spitfires until he was shot down. He

then was posted to other squadrons. The documents he kept don't tell very much

but the little my mum told me, I speculate that he suffered battle fatique or

might have had attacks of some type of malaria he caught in Russia. I am

awaiting his service record from the RAF to see what happened. I can hardly

wait. Have you seen the log books that were transcribed from the Polish

Squadron's books held at the National Archives? Did your dad tell you the name

of the ships he was on? Oh, so many questions.



Good hunting,

Anna.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit

excited. 

>

> Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was a flight

mechanic

> working on the Spitfires.  I have his Air Force Record which says he was

> enlisted in June 1942.  He did spend some time in Scotland at the

beginning. 

>He

>

> ended up in the South East of England.   Like your Dad mine was

also

>in Bombay,

>

> and then Cape Town before coming to England. 

>

>

> Good luck with the research.

>  

> Ann

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

>  

> Hello John,

> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

>father

>

> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When



> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

>

> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

>

> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he



> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

>more

>

> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed



> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

>

> Thanks very much.

> Anna Franklin

> Edmonton, Canada.

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome, Ann.

> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division

>in

>

> >

> > my Dad's case).

> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have



> >any

> >

> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

> >South

> >

> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you



> > will recognize someone.

> >

> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

>the

>

>

> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

>find

>

>

> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

>stayed

>

>

> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what

>he

>

>

> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

> >

> > Contact:

> > Irena Czernichowska

> > czernichowska@

> >

> > General address

> > archives@

> >

> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

>

> >to

> >

> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> > suggestions given here between brackets.)

> >

> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

> >

> > First Name:

> >

> > Birth Date:

> >

> > Birth Location:

> >

> > Father:

> >

> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

> >

> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

> >prior

> >

> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

> >could

> >

> > assist finding documents.)

> >

> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

>details

>

> >

> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

>service,

>

> >

> > etc.)

> >

> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

>have

>

> >

> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

> >

> > Good luck in your quest.

> >

> > John Halucha

> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann,

> >

> > Welcome to the Group!

> >

> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

>

> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force



> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

>USSR,

>

>

> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

>Air

>

> >

> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

> >

> >

> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish



> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

>early

>

>

> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

> >

> >

> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you



> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

> >

> >

> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would

>be

>

>

> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to



> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the



> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

>Armoured

>

>

> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

> >

> >

> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

>

> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

> >

> > Barbara Soja Revoet

> > Connecticut

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

>introduce

>

>

> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

>Poland,

>

>

> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and



> >his

> >

> >

> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> > >later

> > >

> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

>anyone

>

>

> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.



> >His

> >

> > >

> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

>

> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

>where

>

>

> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

>and

>

> >

> >

> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

>terrible

>

>

> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> > >

> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

>Sea

>

>

> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

>

> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

>

> > >Any

> > >

> > > help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

>grandmother's

>

> >

> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

>helped

>

> >

> > >me

> > >

> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,



> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> > >00-926

> > >

> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves

>of

>

> >

> >

> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I



> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

>records

>

> >

> > >of

> > >

> > > my family.

> > >

> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

>Siberia

>

> >-

> >

> >

> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > > ok@

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

>

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.

>I

>

>

> >

> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> > >

> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> > >

> > >

> > > Ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Ann,



The Ship Batory was not sailing on the Caspian Sea. It was taking people from

Basra to Karachi. My family were taken from their camp in Ahvaz to Basra where

they embarked on the Batory. Ahvaz is just over the border into Iran from Iraq -

across the Shatt -al -Arab. They were all so thrilled to be sailing on a Polish

ship with Polish sailors. I wonder where Matthew Kelly got his information?



Unlike your father my family used to talk non-stop about their experiences

whenever they met up so I have been soaked in them from my earliest days. I

remember taking my mother to see a film and unfortunately the trailer showed a

massive long train travelling through the Steppe. We had to leave in a hurry as

she couldn't watch.Like your father, she couldn't take any screaming or shooting

on the TV. They were all very scarred by their experiences and I guess a lot

went on down the generations.



all the best,  Basia (UK)





   ----- Original Message -----

   From: ANN SIBURUTH

   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:08 PM

   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial







   Hiya Anna, I use the National Archives quite a lot  researching my family

   history, but I didn't know they held the Squadron's notes.  Will most

definately

   have a nosey at that one so thanks for that information.  I don't know the

name

   of the ships he travelled on, which is one of the things I am trying to find

   out.  He just didn't like to talk about Siberia at all.  It was like he was

   trying to block it all out.  What I do remember about him was that he couldn't

   stand it on Telly when either children or women were screaming - he just

   couldn't cope with it.



   I have just read a book called "Finding Poland" by a chap called Mathew Kelly

-

   it's about a family from Hruzdowa who were tansported in April 1940.  They

   were wives and children, and were sent to Khazakistan.   They sailed on the

   Caspian Sea on the "Batory", a famous Polish ship.   What part of Poland did

   your dad come from?  My dad came from a small village called Oryzkowce which

is

   somewhere close to Lwow.  I am hoping very much that we can go back next year,

   to find out more.



   Hope the RAF records prove helpful.  I got my Dad's last year, but it didn't

   help me much.  I am making the assumption that you also live in England.   

Best

   wishes



   Ann





   ________________________________

   From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 21:46:33

   Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial





   Hello Ann,



   Yes, it is very exciting to get the snippets of information and to read of

   other's experiences and stories. It turns out to be a small world, doesn't it!

   My dad was in the 315 Squadron and flew Spitfires until he was shot down. He

   then was posted to other squadrons. The documents he kept don't tell very much

   but the little my mum told me, I speculate that he suffered battle fatique or

   might have had attacks of some type of malaria he caught in Russia. I am

   awaiting his service record from the RAF to see what happened. I can hardly

   wait. Have you seen the log books that were transcribed from the Polish

   Squadron's books held at the National Archives? Did your dad tell you the name

   of the ships he was on? Oh, so many questions.



   Good hunting,

   Anna.



   --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

   >

   > Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit

excited.Â

   >

   > Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was a flight

mechanic

   > working on the Spitfires.  I have his Air Force Record which says he was

   > enlisted in June 1942.  He did spend some time in Scotland at the

beginning.Â

   >He

   >

   > ended up in the South East of England.   Like your Dad mine was also

   >in Bombay,

   >

   > and then Cape Town before coming to England.Â

   >

   >

   > Good luck with the research.

   > Â

   > Ann

   > Â

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > ________________________________

   > From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

   > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   > Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

   > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

   >

   > Â

   > Hello John,

   > I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

   >father

   >

   > was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area.

When



   > word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where

he

   > joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

   > Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

   >

   > record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

   > presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

   >

   > He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where

he



   > joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

   >more

   >

   > information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

   > Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa

and

   > Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have

listed



   > and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

   >

   > Thanks very much.

   > Anna Franklin

   > Edmonton, Canada.

   >

   > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

   > >

   > > Welcome, Ann.

   > > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and

soon

   > > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured

Division

   >in

   >

   > >

   > > my Dad's case).

   > > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

   > > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you

have



   > >any

   > >

   > > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

   > > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

   > >South

   > >

   > > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

   > > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

   > > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe

you



   > > will recognize someone.

   > >

   > > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

   >the

   >

   >

   > > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

   >find

   >

   >

   > > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

   >stayed

   >

   >

   > > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

   > > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on

what

   >he

   >

   >

   > > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

   > > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

   > > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

   > >

   > > Contact:

   > > Irena Czernichowska

   > > czernichowska@

   > >

   > > General address

   > > archives@

   > >

   > > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

   >

   > >to

   > >

   > > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research.

(Remove

   > > suggestions given here between brackets.)

   > >

   > > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

   > >

   > > First Name:

   > >

   > > Birth Date:

   > >

   > > Birth Location:

   > >

   > > Father:

   > >

   > > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

   > >

   > > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

   > >prior

   > >

   > > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

   > >could

   > >

   > > assist finding documents.)

   > >

   > > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

   >details

   >

   > >

   > > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

   >service,

   >

   > >

   > > etc.)

   > >

   > > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

   >have

   >

   > >

   > > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

   > >

   > > Good luck in your quest.

   > >

   > > John Halucha

   > > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > > ________________________________

   > > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

   > > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   > > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

   > > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

   > >

   > >

   > > Hi Ann,

   > >

   > > Welcome to the Group!

   > >

   > > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

   >

   > > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air

Force



   > > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

   >USSR,

   >

   >

   > > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to

the

   >Air

   >

   > >

   > > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

   > >

   > >

   > > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st

Polish



   > > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

   >early

   >

   >

   > > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

   > >

   > >

   > > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do

you



   > > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

   > >

   > >

   > > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That

would

   >be

   >

   >

   > > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred

to



   > > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

   > > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from

the



   > > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

   >Armoured

   >

   >

   > > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

   > >

   > >

   > > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

   >

   > > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

   > >

   > > Barbara Soja Revoet

   > > Connecticut

   > >

   > > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

   > > >

   > > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

   >introduce

   >

   >

   > > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

   >Poland,

   >

   >

   > > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest

brother

   > > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

   > > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

   > > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him

and



   > >his

   > >

   > >

   > > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and

then

   > > >later

   > > >

   > > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

   >anyone

   >

   >

   > > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

   > > >

   > > >

   > > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in

U.S.S.R.



   > >His

   > >

   > > >

   > > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

   >

   > > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

   >where

   >

   >

   > > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September

1941,

   >and

   >

   > >

   > >

   > > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

   >terrible

   >

   >

   > > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

   > > >

   > > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

   >Sea

   >

   >

   > > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

   >

   > > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

   >

   > > >Any

   > > >

   > > > help would be greatly appreciated.

   > > >

   > > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

   >grandmother's

   >

   > >

   > > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

   >helped

   >

   > >

   > > >me

   > > >

   > > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes

Gate,



   > > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

   > > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

   > > >00-926

   > > >

   > > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace

graves

   >of

   >

   > >

   > >

   > > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help.

I



   > > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

   >records

   >

   > >

   > > >of

   > > >

   > > > my family.

   > > >

   > > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

   >Siberia

   >

   > >-

   > >

   > >

   > > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

   > > > ok@

   > > >

   > > >

   > > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

   >

   > >to

   > >

   > > >

   > > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave

U.S.S.R.

   >I

   >

   >

   > >

   > > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

   > > >

   > > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

   > > >

   > > >

   > > > Ann

   > > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   > >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   >



   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Milligan" <bwbm@...> wrote:

> The Ship Batory was not sailing on the Caspian Sea.

[...]

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: ANN SIBURUTH

>   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

>   Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:08 PM

>   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>   They sailed on the

>   Caspian Sea on the "Batory", a famous Polish ship.

The only famous Polish ship called Batory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Batory

never got anywhere near the Caspian Sea.

Have  a quick glance on a world map to see why.

thanks for that Basia, but it is in his book so I don't know where he got his

info. 



 

Ann

 









________________________________

From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, 4 September, 2010 8:21:58

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



 

Hello Ann,



The Ship Batory was not sailing on the Caspian Sea. It was taking people from

Basra to Karachi. My family were taken from their camp in Ahvaz to Basra where

they embarked on the Batory. Ahvaz is just over the border into Iran from Iraq -

across the Shatt -al -Arab. They were all so thrilled to be sailing on a Polish

ship with Polish sailors. I wonder where Matthew Kelly got his information?



Unlike your father my family used to talk non-stop about their experiences

whenever they met up so I have been soaked in them from my earliest days. I

remember taking my mother to see a film and unfortunately the trailer showed a

massive long train travelling through the Steppe. We had to leave in a hurry as

she couldn't watch.Like your father, she couldn't take any screaming or shooting

on the TV. They were all very scarred by their experiences and I guess a lot

went on down the generations.



all the best, Basia (UK)



----- Original Message -----

From: ANN SIBURUTH

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hiya Anna, I use the National Archives quite a lot researching my family

history, but I didn't know they held the Squadron's notes. Will most definately

have a nosey at that one so thanks for that information. I don't know the name

of the ships he travelled on, which is one of the things I am trying to find

out. He just didn't like to talk about Siberia at all. It was like he was

trying to block it all out. What I do remember about him was that he couldn't

stand it on Telly when either children or women were screaming - he just

couldn't cope with it.



I have just read a book called "Finding Poland" by a chap called Mathew Kelly -

it's about a family from Hruzdowa who were tansported in April 1940. They

were wives and children, and were sent to Khazakistan. They sailed on the

Caspian Sea on the "Batory", a famous Polish ship. What part of Poland did

your dad come from? My dad came from a small village called Oryzkowce which is

somewhere close to Lwow. I am hoping very much that we can go back next year,

to find out more.



Hope the RAF records prove helpful. I got my Dad's last year, but it didn't

help me much. I am making the assumption that you also live in England. Best

wishes



Ann





________________________________

From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 21:46:33

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hello Ann,



Yes, it is very exciting to get the snippets of information and to read of

other's experiences and stories. It turns out to be a small world, doesn't it!

My dad was in the 315 Squadron and flew Spitfires until he was shot down. He

then was posted to other squadrons. The documents he kept don't tell very much

but the little my mum told me, I speculate that he suffered battle fatique or

might have had attacks of some type of malaria he caught in Russia. I am

awaiting his service record from the RAF to see what happened. I can hardly

wait. Have you seen the log books that were transcribed from the Polish

Squadron's books held at the National Archives? Did your dad tell you the name

of the ships he was on? Oh, so many questions.



Good hunting,

Anna.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit

excited.Â

>

>

> Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was a flight

mechanic

> working on the Spitfires. I have his Air Force Record which says he was

> enlisted in June 1942. He did spend some time in Scotland at the

beginning.Â

>

>He

>

> ended up in the South East of England.  Like your Dad mine

was also

>in Bombay,

>

> and then Cape Town before coming to England.Â

>

>

> Good luck with the research.

> Â

> Ann

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

> Â

> Hello John,

> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

>father

>

> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When





> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

>

>

> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

>

> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he





> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

>more

>

> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed





> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

>

> Thanks very much.

> Anna Franklin

> Edmonton, Canada.

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome, Ann.

> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division



>in

>

> >

> > my Dad's case).

> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have





> >any

> >

> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

> >South

> >

> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you





> > will recognize someone.

> >

> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

>the

>

>

> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

>find

>

>

> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

>stayed

>

>

> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what

>he

>

>

> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

> >

> > Contact:

> > Irena Czernichowska

> > czernichowska@

> >

> > General address

> > archives@

> >

> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

>

>

> >to

> >

> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> > suggestions given here between brackets.)

> >

> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

> >

> > First Name:

> >

> > Birth Date:

> >

> > Birth Location:

> >

> > Father:

> >

> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

> >

> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

> >prior

> >

> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

> >could

> >

> > assist finding documents.)

> >

> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

>details

>

> >

> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

>service,

>

> >

> > etc.)

> >

> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

>have

>

> >

> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

> >

> > Good luck in your quest.

> >

> > John Halucha

> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann,

> >

> > Welcome to the Group!

> >

> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

>

>

> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force





> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

>USSR,

>

>

> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

>Air

>

> >

> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

> >

> >

> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish





> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

>early

>

>

> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

> >

> >

> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you





> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

> >

> >

> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would

>be

>

>

> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to





> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the





> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

>Armoured

>

>

> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

> >

> >

> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

>

>

> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

> >

> > Barbara Soja Revoet

> > Connecticut

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

>introduce

>

>

> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

>Poland,

>

>

> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and





> >his

> >

> >

> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> > >later

> > >

> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

>anyone

>

>

> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.





> >His

> >

> > >

> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

>

>

> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

>where

>

>

> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

>and

>

> >

> >

> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

>terrible

>

>

> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> > >

> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

>Sea

>

>

> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

>

>

> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

>

>

> > >Any

> > >

> > > help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

>grandmother's

>

> >

> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

>helped

>

> >

> > >me

> > >

> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,





> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> > >00-926

> > >

> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves



>of

>

> >

> >

> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I





> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

>records

>

> >

> > >of

> > >

> > > my family.

> > >

> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

>Siberia

>

> >-

> >

> >

> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > > ok@

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

>

>

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.



>I

>

>

> >

> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> > >

> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> > >

> > >

> > > Ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>



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Hello Basia, here I am again, I was so concerned by my information regarding the

Stefan Batory, that I doubled checked the book "Finding Poland".  I am afraid

to

say I got confused again - Mathew Kelly writes that between 10th August

and 1st

September 1942 twenty six ships brought 69,247 polish people across the Caspian

Sea, 25,501 were civilians.    Thinking about it, and knowing the geography

of

it, I can't believe how I got confused - must be early senility!!!!!!  He goes

onto write that the ships were dangerously overcrowded and crammed aboard were

people suffering really bad illnesses (I won't go into detail it's not very

nice).  Many were so weakened, and the crossings so rough that some fell

overboard and drowned.  It was a 2 day voyage, and just kept going day and

night.

 

To Andy - I have read the book "Behind Closed Doors", and found it most

illuminating, and couldn't put it down.  I can now understand how my Dad became

so bitter after the war.  I also watched the drama-docu programme on telly

which

supported the book.



There are also some more interesting books to read:  "Slaves in Paradise" by a

lady called Leokadia T. Majewicz.  Her family came from the South East of

Poland

about 24km from the Russian border.  They were on the 10th February 1940

transport.  I have spoken to her on the phone, as she lives in Cumbria in

England.  Another book to read which I bought in Australia is "The Persian

Blanket "- the life of Janina Milek.  It is written by a chap called Tim

Chappell who she came into contact with once she emigrated to Perth, Western

Australia.  Both stories are very sad in parts.



I am also in a possession of a Family Research Book "Tracing Your Ancestors -

2nd World War.  There are some interesting topics in, which once I have sorted

it all out, will put it on this site - don't want to make any more

mistakes!!!!!  There are details on Passenger lists, and how to find out more

about the Polish soldiers, and airmen. 





Where abouts in England do you live Barbara?   I live in Lancashire.



Best wishes

Ann

 









________________________________

From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, 4 September, 2010 8:21:58

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



 

Hello Ann,



The Ship Batory was not sailing on the Caspian Sea. It was taking people from

Basra to Karachi. My family were taken from their camp in Ahvaz to Basra where

they embarked on the Batory. Ahvaz is just over the border into Iran from Iraq -

across the Shatt -al -Arab. They were all so thrilled to be sailing on a Polish

ship with Polish sailors. I wonder where Matthew Kelly got his information?



Unlike your father my family used to talk non-stop about their experiences

whenever they met up so I have been soaked in them from my earliest days. I

remember taking my mother to see a film and unfortunately the trailer showed a

massive long train travelling through the Steppe. We had to leave in a hurry as

she couldn't watch.Like your father, she couldn't take any screaming or shooting

on the TV. They were all very scarred by their experiences and I guess a lot

went on down the generations.



all the best, Basia (UK)



----- Original Message -----

From: ANN SIBURUTH

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hiya Anna, I use the National Archives quite a lot researching my family

history, but I didn't know they held the Squadron's notes. Will most definately

have a nosey at that one so thanks for that information. I don't know the name

of the ships he travelled on, which is one of the things I am trying to find

out. He just didn't like to talk about Siberia at all. It was like he was

trying to block it all out. What I do remember about him was that he couldn't

stand it on Telly when either children or women were screaming - he just

couldn't cope with it.



I have just read a book called "Finding Poland" by a chap called Mathew Kelly -

it's about a family from Hruzdowa who were tansported in April 1940. They

were wives and children, and were sent to Khazakistan. They sailed on the

Caspian Sea on the "Batory", a famous Polish ship. What part of Poland did

your dad come from? My dad came from a small village called Oryzkowce which is

somewhere close to Lwow. I am hoping very much that we can go back next year,

to find out more.



Hope the RAF records prove helpful. I got my Dad's last year, but it didn't

help me much. I am making the assumption that you also live in England. Best

wishes



Ann





________________________________

From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 21:46:33

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hello Ann,



Yes, it is very exciting to get the snippets of information and to read of

other's experiences and stories. It turns out to be a small world, doesn't it!

My dad was in the 315 Squadron and flew Spitfires until he was shot down. He

then was posted to other squadrons. The documents he kept don't tell very much

but the little my mum told me, I speculate that he suffered battle fatique or

might have had attacks of some type of malaria he caught in Russia. I am

awaiting his service record from the RAF to see what happened. I can hardly

wait. Have you seen the log books that were transcribed from the Polish

Squadron's books held at the National Archives? Did your dad tell you the name

of the ships he was on? Oh, so many questions.



Good hunting,

Anna.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit

excited.Â

>

>

> Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was a flight

mechanic

> working on the Spitfires. I have his Air Force Record which says he was

> enlisted in June 1942. He did spend some time in Scotland at the

beginning.Â

>

>He

>

> ended up in the South East of England.  Like your Dad mine

was also

>in Bombay,

>

> and then Cape Town before coming to England.Â

>

>

> Good luck with the research.

> Â

> Ann

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

> Â

> Hello John,

> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

>father

>

> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When





> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

>

>

> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

>

> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he





> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

>more

>

> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed





> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

>

> Thanks very much.

> Anna Franklin

> Edmonton, Canada.

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome, Ann.

> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division



>in

>

> >

> > my Dad's case).

> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have





> >any

> >

> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

> >South

> >

> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you





> > will recognize someone.

> >

> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

>the

>

>

> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

>find

>

>

> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

>stayed

>

>

> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what

>he

>

>

> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

> >

> > Contact:

> > Irena Czernichowska

> > czernichowska@

> >

> > General address

> > archives@

> >

> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

>

>

> >to

> >

> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> > suggestions given here between brackets.)

> >

> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

> >

> > First Name:

> >

> > Birth Date:

> >

> > Birth Location:

> >

> > Father:

> >

> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

> >

> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

> >prior

> >

> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

> >could

> >

> > assist finding documents.)

> >

> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

>details

>

> >

> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

>service,

>

> >

> > etc.)

> >

> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

>have

>

> >

> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

> >

> > Good luck in your quest.

> >

> > John Halucha

> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann,

> >

> > Welcome to the Group!

> >

> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

>

>

> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force





> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

>USSR,

>

>

> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

>Air

>

> >

> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

> >

> >

> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish





> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

>early

>

>

> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

> >

> >

> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you





> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

> >

> >

> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would

>be

>

>

> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to





> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the





> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

>Armoured

>

>

> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

> >

> >

> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

>

>

> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

> >

> > Barbara Soja Revoet

> > Connecticut

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

>introduce

>

>

> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

>Poland,

>

>

> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and





> >his

> >

> >

> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> > >later

> > >

> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

>anyone

>

>

> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.





> >His

> >

> > >

> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

>

>

> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

>where

>

>

> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

>and

>

> >

> >

> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

>terrible

>

>

> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> > >

> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

>Sea

>

>

> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

>

>

> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

>

>

> > >Any

> > >

> > > help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

>grandmother's

>

> >

> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

>helped

>

> >

> > >me

> > >

> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,





> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> > >00-926

> > >

> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves



>of

>

> >

> >

> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I





> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

>records

>

> >

> > >of

> > >

> > > my family.

> > >

> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

>Siberia

>

> >-

> >

> >

> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > > ok@

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

>

>

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.



>I

>

>

> >

> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> > >

> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> > >

> > >

> > > Ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>



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--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

> Mathew Kelly writes that between 10th August and 1st

> September 1942 twenty six ships brought 69,247 polish people

> across the Caspian  Sea, 25,501 were civilians. 

These numbers include those transported overland (by rail via Ashkhabad)



>  It was a 2 day voyage, and just kept going day and

> night.

Other sources say 'day and a half'.

I don't know of many ships which stop overnight :-)

My mother sailed on the MS Batory from Egypt arriving in Taranto, Italy on

4.5.1944.







pozdrowienia

Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson

Alingsås, Sweden

Names: Maczka. Gradosielski.

Kresy: Osada Krechowiecka. Wilno.

Siberia: Monastyriok. Siewzeldorlag, Komi.

Army: Pestki 316 Transport. Sappers 5KDP.







   _____



From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of ANN SIBURUTH

Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 8:11 PM

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Out of the U.S.S.R.











Hello Basia, here I am again, I was so concerned by my information regarding the

Stefan Batory, that I doubled checked the book "Finding Poland".  I am afraid to

say I got confused again - Mathew Kelly writes that between 10th August and 1st

September 1942 twenty six ships brought 69,247 polish people across the Caspian

Sea, 25,501 were civilians.    Thinking about it, and knowing the geography of

it, I can't believe how I got confused - must be early senility!!!!!!  He goes

onto write that the ships were dangerously overcrowded and crammed aboard were

people suffering really bad illnesses (I won't go into detail it's not very

nice).  Many were so weakened, and the crossings so rough that some fell

overboard and drowned.  It was a 2 day voyage, and just kept going day and

night.



To Andy - I have read the book "Behind Closed Doors", and found it most

illuminating, and couldn't put it down.  I can now understand how my Dad became

so bitter after the war.  I also watched the drama-docu programme on telly which

supported the book.



There are also some more interesting books to read:  "Slaves in Paradise" by a

lady called Leokadia T. Majewicz.  Her family came from the South East of Poland

about 24km from the Russian border.  They were on the 10th February 1940

transport.  I have spoken to her on the phone, as she lives in Cumbria in

England.  Another book to read which I bought in Australia is "The Persian

Blanket "- the life of Janina Milek.  It is written by a chap called Tim

Chappell who she came into contact with once she emigrated to Perth, Western

Australia.  Both stories are very sad in parts.



I am also in a possession of a Family Research Book "Tracing Your Ancestors -

2nd World War.  There are some interesting topics in, which once I have sorted

it all out, will put it on this site - don't want to make any more

mistakes!!!!!  There are details on Passenger lists, and how to find out more

about the Polish soldiers, and airmen.



Where abouts in England do you live Barbara?   I live in Lancashire.



Best wishes

Ann





________________________________

From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@... <mailto:bwbm%40talktalk.net> >

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Saturday, 4 September, 2010 8:21:58

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial





Hello Ann,



The Ship Batory was not sailing on the Caspian Sea. It was taking people from

Basra to Karachi. My family were taken from their camp in Ahvaz to Basra where

they embarked on the Batory. Ahvaz is just over the border into Iran from Iraq -

across the Shatt -al -Arab. They were all so thrilled to be sailing on a Polish

ship with Polish sailors. I wonder where Matthew Kelly got his information?



Unlike your father my family used to talk non-stop about their experiences

whenever they met up so I have been soaked in them from my earliest days. I

remember taking my mother to see a film and unfortunately the trailer showed a

massive long train travelling through the Steppe. We had to leave in a hurry as

she couldn't watch.Like your father, she couldn't take any screaming or shooting

on the TV. They were all very scarred by their experiences and I guess a lot

went on down the generations.



all the best, Basia (UK)



----- Original Message -----

From: ANN SIBURUTH

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hiya Anna, I use the National Archives quite a lot researching my family

history, but I didn't know they held the Squadron's notes. Will most definately

have a nosey at that one so thanks for that information. I don't know the name

of the ships he travelled on, which is one of the things I am trying to find

out. He just didn't like to talk about Siberia at all. It was like he was

trying to block it all out. What I do remember about him was that he couldn't

stand it on Telly when either children or women were screaming - he just

couldn't cope with it.



I have just read a book called "Finding Poland" by a chap called Mathew Kelly -

it's about a family from Hruzdowa who were tansported in April 1940. They

were wives and children, and were sent to Khazakistan. They sailed on the

Caspian Sea on the "Batory", a famous Polish ship. What part of Poland did

your dad come from? My dad came from a small village called Oryzkowce which is

somewhere close to Lwow. I am hoping very much that we can go back next year,

to find out more.



Hope the RAF records prove helpful. I got my Dad's last year, but it didn't

help me much. I am making the assumption that you also live in England. Best

wishes



Ann



________________________________

From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@... <mailto:annafranklin%40shaw.ca> >

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 21:46:33

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hello Ann,



Yes, it is very exciting to get the snippets of information and to read of

other's experiences and stories. It turns out to be a small world, doesn't it!

My dad was in the 315 Squadron and flew Spitfires until he was shot down. He

then was posted to other squadrons. The documents he kept don't tell very much

but the little my mum told me, I speculate that he suffered battle fatique or

might have had attacks of some type of malaria he caught in Russia. I am

awaiting his service record from the RAF to see what happened. I can hardly

wait. Have you seen the log books that were transcribed from the Polish

Squadron's books held at the National Archives? Did your dad tell you the name

of the ships he was on? Oh, so many questions.



Good hunting,

Anna.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> ,

ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit

excited.Â

>

>

> Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was a flight

mechanic

> working on the Spitfires. I have his Air Force Record which says he was

> enlisted in June 1942. He did spend some time in Scotland at the

beginning.Â

>

>He

>

> ended up in the South East of England.  Like your Dad mine

was also

>in Bombay,

>

> and then Cape Town before coming to England.Â

>

>

> Good luck with the research.

> Â

> Ann

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

> Â

> Hello John,

> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

>father

>

> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When



> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

>

>

> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

>

> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he



> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

>more

>

> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed



> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

>

> Thanks very much.

> Anna Franklin

> Edmonton, Canada.

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>

, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome, Ann.

> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division



>in

>

> >

> > my Dad's case).

> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have



> >any

> >

> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

> >South

> >

> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you



> > will recognize someone.

> >

> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

>the

>

>

> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

>find

>

>

> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

>stayed

>

>

> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what

>he

>

>

> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

> >

> > Contact:

> > Irena Czernichowska

> > czernichowska@

> >

> > General address

> > archives@

> >

> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

>

>

> >to

> >

> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> > suggestions given here between brackets.)

> >

> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

> >

> > First Name:

> >

> > Birth Date:

> >

> > Birth Location:

> >

> > Father:

> >

> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

> >

> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

> >prior

> >

> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

> >could

> >

> > assist finding documents.)

> >

> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

>details

>

> >

> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

>service,

>

> >

> > etc.)

> >

> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

>have

>

> >

> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

> >

> > Good luck in your quest.

> >

> > John Halucha

> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann,

> >

> > Welcome to the Group!

> >

> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

>

>

> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force



> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

>USSR,

>

>

> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

>Air

>

> >

> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

> >

> >

> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish



> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

>early

>

>

> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

> >

> >

> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you



> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

> >

> >

> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would

>be

>

>

> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to



> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the



> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

>Armoured

>

>

> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

> >

> >

> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

>

>

> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

> >

> > Barbara Soja Revoet

> > Connecticut

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

<mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> , ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

>introduce

>

>

> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

>Poland,

>

>

> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and



> >his

> >

> >

> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> > >later

> > >

> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

>anyone

>

>

> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.



> >His

> >

> > >

> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

>

>

> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

>where

>

>

> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

>and

>

> >

> >

> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

>terrible

>

>

> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> > >

> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

>Sea

>

>

> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

>

>

> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

>

>

> > >Any

> > >

> > > help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

>grandmother's

>

> >

> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

>helped

>

> >

> > >me

> > >

> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,



> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> > >00-926

> > >

> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves



>of

>

> >

> >

> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I



> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

>records

>

> >

> > >of

> > >

> > > my family.

> > >

> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

>Siberia

>

> >-

> >

> >

> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > > ok@

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

>

>

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.



>I

>

>

> >

> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> > >

> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> > >

> > >

> > > Ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>



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Hello Ann,



I live between the Highlands ( Scotland) and Oxford. As you will gather, I go up

and down the M6 like a yoyo - through Lancashire. Do let me know if you visit

either of my places as it would be fum to meet.

I am very interested in your genealogy book/research.



all the best,  Barbara / Basia (UK)

   ----- Original Message -----

   From: ANN SIBURUTH

   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:11 PM

   Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Out of the U.S.S.R.







   Hello Basia, here I am again, I was so concerned by my information regarding

the

   Stefan Batory, that I doubled checked the book "Finding Poland".  I am afraid

to

   say I got confused again - Mathew Kelly writes that between 10th August and

1st

   September 1942 twenty six ships brought 69,247 polish people across the

Caspian

   Sea, 25,501 were civilians.    Thinking about it, and knowing the geography of

   it, I can't believe how I got confused - must be early senility!!!!!!  He goes

   onto write that the ships were dangerously overcrowded and crammed aboard were

   people suffering really bad illnesses (I won't go into detail it's not very

   nice).  Many were so weakened, and the crossings so rough that some fell

   overboard and drowned.  It was a 2 day voyage, and just kept going day and

   night.



   To Andy - I have read the book "Behind Closed Doors", and found it most

   illuminating, and couldn't put it down.  I can now understand how my Dad

became

   so bitter after the war.  I also watched the drama-docu programme on telly

which

   supported the book.



   There are also some more interesting books to read:  "Slaves in Paradise" by a

   lady called Leokadia T. Majewicz.  Her family came from the South East of

Poland

   about 24km from the Russian border.  They were on the 10th February 1940

   transport.  I have spoken to her on the phone, as she lives in Cumbria in

   England.  Another book to read which I bought in Australia is "The Persian

   Blanket "- the life of Janina Milek.  It is written by a chap called Tim

   Chappell who she came into contact with once she emigrated to Perth, Western

   Australia.  Both stories are very sad in parts.



   I am also in a possession of a Family Research Book "Tracing Your Ancestors -

   2nd World War.  There are some interesting topics in, which once I have sorted

   it all out, will put it on this site - don't want to make any more

   mistakes!!!!!  There are details on Passenger lists, and how to find out more

   about the Polish soldiers, and airmen.



   Where abouts in England do you live Barbara?   I live in Lancashire.



   Best wishes

   Ann





   ________________________________

   From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@...>

   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Saturday, 4 September, 2010 8:21:58

   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial





   Hello Ann,



   The Ship Batory was not sailing on the Caspian Sea. It was taking people from

   Basra to Karachi. My family were taken from their camp in Ahvaz to Basra where

   they embarked on the Batory. Ahvaz is just over the border into Iran from Iraq

-

   across the Shatt -al -Arab. They were all so thrilled to be sailing on a

Polish

   ship with Polish sailors. I wonder where Matthew Kelly got his information?



   Unlike your father my family used to talk non-stop about their experiences

   whenever they met up so I have been soaked in them from my earliest days. I

   remember taking my mother to see a film and unfortunately the trailer showed a

   massive long train travelling through the Steppe. We had to leave in a hurry

as

   she couldn't watch.Like your father, she couldn't take any screaming or

shooting

   on the TV. They were all very scarred by their experiences and I guess a lot

   went on down the generations.



   all the best, Basia (UK)



   ----- Original Message -----

   From: ANN SIBURUTH

   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:08 PM

   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



   Hiya Anna, I use the National Archives quite a lot researching my family

   history, but I didn't know they held the Squadron's notes. Will most

definately

   have a nosey at that one so thanks for that information. I don't know the name

   of the ships he travelled on, which is one of the things I am trying to find

   out. He just didn't like to talk about Siberia at all. It was like he was

   trying to block it all out. What I do remember about him was that he couldn't

   stand it on Telly when either children or women were screaming - he just

   couldn't cope with it.



   I have just read a book called "Finding Poland" by a chap called Mathew Kelly

-

   it's about a family from Hruzdowa who were tansported in April 1940. They

   were wives and children, and were sent to Khazakistan. They sailed on the

   Caspian Sea on the "Batory", a famous Polish ship. What part of Poland did

   your dad come from? My dad came from a small village called Oryzkowce which is

   somewhere close to Lwow. I am hoping very much that we can go back next year,

   to find out more.



   Hope the RAF records prove helpful. I got my Dad's last year, but it didn't

   help me much. I am making the assumption that you also live in England. Best

   wishes



   Ann



   ________________________________

   From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 21:46:33

   Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



   Hello Ann,



   Yes, it is very exciting to get the snippets of information and to read of

   other's experiences and stories. It turns out to be a small world, doesn't it!

   My dad was in the 315 Squadron and flew Spitfires until he was shot down. He

   then was posted to other squadrons. The documents he kept don't tell very much

   but the little my mum told me, I speculate that he suffered battle fatique or

   might have had attacks of some type of malaria he caught in Russia. I am

   awaiting his service record from the RAF to see what happened. I can hardly

   wait. Have you seen the log books that were transcribed from the Polish

   Squadron's books held at the National Archives? Did your dad tell you the name

   of the ships he was on? Oh, so many questions.



   Good hunting,

   Anna.



   --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

   >

   > Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit

excited.Â

   >

   >

   > Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was a flight

mechanic

   > working on the Spitfires. I have his Air Force Record which says he was

   > enlisted in June 1942. He did spend some time in Scotland at the

beginning.Â

   >

   >He

   >

   > ended up in the South East of England.  Like your Dad

mine was also

   >in Bombay,

   >

   > and then Cape Town before coming to England.Â

   >

   >

   > Good luck with the research.

   > Â

   > Ann

   > Â

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > ________________________________

   > From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

   > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   > Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

   > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

   >

   > Â

   > Hello John,

   > I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

   >father

   >

   > was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area.

When



   > word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where

he

   > joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

   > Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

   >

   >

   > record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

   > presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

   >

   > He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where

he



   > joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

   >more

   >

   > information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

   > Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa

and

   > Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have

listed



   > and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

   >

   > Thanks very much.

   > Anna Franklin

   > Edmonton, Canada.

   >

   > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

   > >

   > > Welcome, Ann.

   > > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and

soon

   > > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured

Division



   >in

   >

   > >

   > > my Dad's case).

   > > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

   > > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you

have



   > >any

   > >

   > > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

   > > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

   > >South

   > >

   > > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

   > > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

   > > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe

you



   > > will recognize someone.

   > >

   > > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

   >the

   >

   >

   > > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

   >find

   >

   >

   > > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

   >stayed

   >

   >

   > > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

   > > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on

what

   >he

   >

   >

   > > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

   > > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

   > > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

   > >

   > > Contact:

   > > Irena Czernichowska

   > > czernichowska@

   > >

   > > General address

   > > archives@

   > >

   > > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

   >

   >

   > >to

   > >

   > > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research.

(Remove

   > > suggestions given here between brackets.)

   > >

   > > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

   > >

   > > First Name:

   > >

   > > Birth Date:

   > >

   > > Birth Location:

   > >

   > > Father:

   > >

   > > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

   > >

   > > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

   > >prior

   > >

   > > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

   > >could

   > >

   > > assist finding documents.)

   > >

   > > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

   >details

   >

   > >

   > > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

   >service,

   >

   > >

   > > etc.)

   > >

   > > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

   >have

   >

   > >

   > > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

   > >

   > > Good luck in your quest.

   > >

   > > John Halucha

   > > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > > ________________________________

   > > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

   > > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

   > > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

   > > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

   > >

   > >

   > > Hi Ann,

   > >

   > > Welcome to the Group!

   > >

   > > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

   >

   >

   > > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air

Force



   > > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

   >USSR,

   >

   >

   > > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to

the

   >Air

   >

   > >

   > > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

   > >

   > >

   > > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st

Polish



   > > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

   >early

   >

   >

   > > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

   > >

   > >

   > > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do

you



   > > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

   > >

   > >

   > > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That

would

   >be

   >

   >

   > > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred

to



   > > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

   > > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from

the



   > > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

   >Armoured

   >

   >

   > > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

   > >

   > >

   > > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

   >

   >

   > > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

   > >

   > > Barbara Soja Revoet

   > > Connecticut

   > >

   > > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

   > > >

   > > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

   >introduce

   >

   >

   > > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

   >Poland,

   >

   >

   > > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest

brother

   > > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

   > > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

   > > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him

and



   > >his

   > >

   > >

   > > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and

then

   > > >later

   > > >

   > > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

   >anyone

   >

   >

   > > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

   > > >

   > > >

   > > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in

U.S.S.R.



   > >His

   > >

   > > >

   > > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

   >

   >

   > > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

   >where

   >

   >

   > > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September

1941,

   >and

   >

   > >

   > >

   > > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

   >terrible

   >

   >

   > > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

   > > >

   > > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

   >Sea

   >

   >

   > > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

   >

   >

   > > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

   >

   >

   > > >Any

   > > >

   > > > help would be greatly appreciated.

   > > >

   > > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

   >grandmother's

   >

   > >

   > > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

   >helped

   >

   > >

   > > >me

   > > >

   > > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes

Gate,



   > > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

   > > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

   > > >00-926

   > > >

   > > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace

graves



   >of

   >

   > >

   > >

   > > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help.

I



   > > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

   >records

   >

   > >

   > > >of

   > > >

   > > > my family.

   > > >

   > > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

   >Siberia

   >

   > >-

   > >

   > >

   > > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

   > > > ok@

   > > >

   > > >

   > > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

   >

   >

   > >to

   > >

   > > >

   > > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave

U.S.S.R.



   >I

   >

   >

   > >

   > > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

   > > >

   > > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

   > > >

   > > >

   > > > Ann

   > > >

   > >

   > >

   > >

   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   > >

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   >



   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hiya Barbara, we live not far from the junction on the M6 which says Blackburn

and Clitheroe A59.  We are about 40 minutes away.   So if you've time to stop

sometime let me know!.

 

Ann

 









________________________________

From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, 8 September, 2010 18:48:37

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Out of the U.S.S.R.



 

Hello Ann,



I live between the Highlands ( Scotland) and Oxford. As you will gather, I go up

and down the M6 like a yoyo - through Lancashire. Do let me know if you visit

either of my places as it would be fum to meet.



I am very interested in your genealogy book/research.



all the best, Barbara / Basia (UK)

----- Original Message -----

From: ANN SIBURUTH

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:11 PM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Out of the U.S.S.R.



Hello Basia, here I am again, I was so concerned by my information regarding the



Stefan Batory, that I doubled checked the book "Finding Poland". I am afraid to

say I got confused again - Mathew Kelly writes that between 10th August and 1st

September 1942 twenty six ships brought 69,247 polish people across the Caspian

Sea, 25,501 were civilians. Thinking about it, and knowing the geography of

it, I can't believe how I got confused - must be early senility!!!!!! He goes

onto write that the ships were dangerously overcrowded and crammed aboard were

people suffering really bad illnesses (I won't go into detail it's not very

nice). Many were so weakened, and the crossings so rough that some fell

overboard and drowned. It was a 2 day voyage, and just kept going day and

night.



To Andy - I have read the book "Behind Closed Doors", and found it most

illuminating, and couldn't put it down. I can now understand how my Dad became

so bitter after the war. I also watched the drama-docu programme on telly which

supported the book.



There are also some more interesting books to read: "Slaves in Paradise" by a

lady called Leokadia T. Majewicz. Her family came from the South East of Poland

about 24km from the Russian border. They were on the 10th February 1940

transport. I have spoken to her on the phone, as she lives in Cumbria in

England. Another book to read which I bought in Australia is "The Persian

Blanket "- the life of Janina Milek. It is written by a chap called Tim

Chappell who she came into contact with once she emigrated to Perth, Western

Australia. Both stories are very sad in parts.



I am also in a possession of a Family Research Book "Tracing Your Ancestors -

2nd World War. There are some interesting topics in, which once I have sorted

it all out, will put it on this site - don't want to make any more

mistakes!!!!! There are details on Passenger lists, and how to find out more

about the Polish soldiers, and airmen.



Where abouts in England do you live Barbara? I live in Lancashire.



Best wishes

Ann





________________________________

From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, 4 September, 2010 8:21:58

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hello Ann,



The Ship Batory was not sailing on the Caspian Sea. It was taking people from

Basra to Karachi. My family were taken from their camp in Ahvaz to Basra where

they embarked on the Batory. Ahvaz is just over the border into Iran from Iraq -



across the Shatt -al -Arab. They were all so thrilled to be sailing on a Polish

ship with Polish sailors. I wonder where Matthew Kelly got his information?



Unlike your father my family used to talk non-stop about their experiences

whenever they met up so I have been soaked in them from my earliest days. I

remember taking my mother to see a film and unfortunately the trailer showed a

massive long train travelling through the Steppe. We had to leave in a hurry as

she couldn't watch.Like your father, she couldn't take any screaming or shooting



on the TV. They were all very scarred by their experiences and I guess a lot

went on down the generations.



all the best, Basia (UK)



----- Original Message -----

From: ANN SIBURUTH

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hiya Anna, I use the National Archives quite a lot researching my family

history, but I didn't know they held the Squadron's notes. Will most definately

have a nosey at that one so thanks for that information. I don't know the name

of the ships he travelled on, which is one of the things I am trying to find

out. He just didn't like to talk about Siberia at all. It was like he was

trying to block it all out. What I do remember about him was that he couldn't

stand it on Telly when either children or women were screaming - he just

couldn't cope with it.



I have just read a book called "Finding Poland" by a chap called Mathew Kelly -

it's about a family from Hruzdowa who were tansported in April 1940. They

were wives and children, and were sent to Khazakistan. They sailed on the

Caspian Sea on the "Batory", a famous Polish ship. What part of Poland did

your dad come from? My dad came from a small village called Oryzkowce which is

somewhere close to Lwow. I am hoping very much that we can go back next year,

to find out more.



Hope the RAF records prove helpful. I got my Dad's last year, but it didn't

help me much. I am making the assumption that you also live in England. Best

wishes



Ann



________________________________

From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 21:46:33

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hello Ann,



Yes, it is very exciting to get the snippets of information and to read of

other's experiences and stories. It turns out to be a small world, doesn't it!

My dad was in the 315 Squadron and flew Spitfires until he was shot down. He

then was posted to other squadrons. The documents he kept don't tell very much

but the little my mum told me, I speculate that he suffered battle fatique or

might have had attacks of some type of malaria he caught in Russia. I am

awaiting his service record from the RAF to see what happened. I can hardly

wait. Have you seen the log books that were transcribed from the Polish

Squadron's books held at the National Archives? Did your dad tell you the name

of the ships he was on? Oh, so many questions.



Good hunting,

Anna.



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hiya Anna, I was most interested to read your message, and got a bit

>excited.Â

>

>

>

> Dad was in 306 Squadron which was a Polish one.  He was

a flight

>mechanic

>

> working on the Spitfires. I have his Air Force Record which says he

was

> enlisted in June 1942. He did spend some time in Scotland at the

>beginning.Â

>

>

>He

>

> ended up in the South East of England.Â

 Like your Dad mine

>was also

>

>in Bombay,

>

> and then Cape Town before coming to England.Â

>

>

> Good luck with the research.

> Â

> Ann

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>

> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 16:17:32

> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

>

> Â

> Hello John,

> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My

>father

>

> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When





> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he

> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the

> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a

recruitment

>

>

>

> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he

> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

>

> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he





> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be

>more

>

> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the

> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and

> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed





> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

>

> Thanks very much.

> Anna Franklin

> Edmonton, Canada.

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:

> >

> > Welcome, Ann.

> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division





>in

>

> >

> > my Dad's case).

> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have





> >any

> >

> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?

> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in

> >South

> >

> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you





> > will recognize someone.

> >

> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from

>the

>

>

> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to

>find

>

>

> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,

>stayed

>

>

> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what

>he

>

>

> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

> >

> > Contact:

> > Irena Czernichowska

> > czernichowska@

> >

> > General address

> > archives@

> >

> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents

pertaining

>

>

>

> >to

> >

> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

> > suggestions given here between brackets.)

> >

> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

> >

> > First Name:

> >

> > Birth Date:

> >

> > Birth Location:

> >

> > Father:

> >

> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

> >

> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service

> >prior

> >

> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details

> >could

> >

> > assist finding documents.)

> >

> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any

>details

>

> >

> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or

>service,

>

> >

> > etc.)

> >

> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents

>have

>

> >

> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

> >

> > Good luck in your quest.

> >

> > John Halucha

> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>

> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann,

> >

> > Welcome to the Group!

> >

> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father

who

>

>

>

> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force





> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the

>USSR,

>

>

> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the

>Air

>

> >

> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

> >

> >

> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish





> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or

>early

>

>

> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

> >

> >

> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you





> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

> >

> >

> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would

>be

>

>

> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to





> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the





> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish

>Armoured

>

>

> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

> >

> >

> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let

me

>

>

>

> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

> >

> > Barbara Soja Revoet

> > Connecticut

> >

> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to

>introduce

>

>

> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern

>Poland,

>

>

> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and





> >his

> >

> >

> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

> > >later

> > >

> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If

>anyone

>

>

> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.





> >His

> >

> > >

> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought

at

>

>

>

> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,

>where

>

>

> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,

>and

>

> >

> >

> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most

>terrible

>

>

> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

> > >

> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian

>Sea

>

>

> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.

He

>

>

>

> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came

on.

>

>

>

> > >Any

> > >

> > > help would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her

>grandmother's

>

> >

> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has

>helped

>

> >

> > >me

> > >

> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,





> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

> > >00-926

> > >

> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves





>of

>

> >

> >

> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I





> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no

>records

>

> >

> > >of

> > >

> > > my family.

> > >

> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to

>Siberia

>

> >-

> >

> >

> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> > > ok@

> > >

> > >

> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know

how

>

>

>

> >to

> >

> > >

> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.





>I

>

>

> >

> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

> > >

> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

> > >

> > >

> > > Ann

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>



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Hiya John, thanks ever so much for your help - everyone has been so kind in

helping with information.  It was his brother Julek, who went to the middle

east, and then to Monte Cassino in Italy with the Polish Army.   Once they

reached Persia, and had received "the treatment" of de lousing etc, and was

built up with good food, he was sent to Palestine.  Dad on the other hand came

to England via Bombay in India, and Cape Town, South Africa.  He was in the

RAF,

Polish Squadron 306, and was a flight mechanic working on the Spitfires.



Wouldn't it be great if we could find their exit visas?  I shall certainly

contact Stamford Uni to see if they can help.  After war ended Uncle Julek

arrived in England in the South East, but he decided to return home to Poland,

whilst dad stayed in England.  Our family now live in Rogozno, which is near

to

Poznan.   I have a dream to return to Lwow next year, and try to find out

more.   Thanks again John.  If I do find anything more out about the exit

visas I will certainly let you know.

 

Ann

 









________________________________

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 11:23:55

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



 

Welcome, Ann.

Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division in

my Dad's case).

I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have any



dates for various legs of your father's journey?

If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in South



Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

will recognize someone.



I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the

USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find

as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed

with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he

endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.



Contact:

Irena Czernichowska

czernichowska@...



General address

archives@...



Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining to



your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

suggestions given here between brackets.)



Family Name: (include alternative spellings)



First Name:



Birth Date:



Birth Location:



Father:



Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)



Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service prior



to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details could



assist finding documents.)



Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any details

of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or service,

etc.)



You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents have

been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.



Good luck in your quest.



John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada



________________________________

From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hi Ann,



Welcome to the Group!



I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who

was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,

there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the Air

Force later on when he was in the Middle East.



My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early

1943. He also traveled from Capetown.



I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?



I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be

interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured

Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.



If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.



Barbara Soja Revoet

Connecticut



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce

> myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,

> and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his





> family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

>later

>

> to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone

> can help me with this I would be most pleased.

>

>

> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. His



>

> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where

> she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and



> were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible

> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

>

> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea

> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He

> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.

>Any

>

> help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's

> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped

>me

>

> a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

>00-926

>

> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves of



> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records

>of

>

> my family.

>

> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -





> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> ok@...

>

>

> I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how to



>

> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I



> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

>

> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

>

>

> Ann

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hiya John, just checking through some messages I saved from the Group - I have

received such a lot of useful information.  I checked the photo's from

the South

Africa camp, and didn't recognise anyone - more's the pity!  I also went on the

Polish Resettlement site to look for the ship and passenger list for my Dad. 

There is nothing for 1942 when he arrived in England.  So another brick

wall.  I

still have some more enquiries to make so hopefully something will turn up. 

It's as if he didn't exist!   I wonder why the records are so hard to find.

 

Ann

 









________________________________

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 11:23:55

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



 

Welcome, Ann.

Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division in

my Dad's case).

I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have any



dates for various legs of your father's journey?

If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in South



Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

will recognize someone.



I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the

USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find

as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed

with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he

endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.



Contact:

Irena Czernichowska

czernichowska@...



General address

archives@...



Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining to



your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

suggestions given here between brackets.)



Family Name: (include alternative spellings)



First Name:



Birth Date:



Birth Location:



Father:



Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)



Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service prior



to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details could



assist finding documents.)



Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any details

of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or service,

etc.)



You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents have

been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.



Good luck in your quest.



John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada



________________________________

From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hi Ann,



Welcome to the Group!



I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who

was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,

there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the Air

Force later on when he was in the Middle East.



My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early

1943. He also traveled from Capetown.



I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?



I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be

interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured

Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.



If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.



Barbara Soja Revoet

Connecticut



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce

> myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,

> and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his





> family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

>later

>

> to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone

> can help me with this I would be most pleased.

>

>

> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. His



>

> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where

> she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and



> were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible

> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

>

> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea

> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He

> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.

>Any

>

> help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's

> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped

>me

>

> a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

>00-926

>

> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves of



> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records

>of

>

> my family.

>

> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -





> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> ok@...

>

>

> I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how to



>

> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I



> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

>

> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

>

>

> Ann

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Ann







So, what is the “Polish Resettlement site� anyway?







Stefan



Sydney







From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of ANN SIBURUTH

Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial











Hiya John, just checking through some messages I saved from the Group - I have

received such a lot of useful information.  I checked the photo's from the South

Africa camp, and didn't recognise anyone - more's the pity!  I also went on the

Polish Resettlement site to look for the ship and passenger list for my Dad.

There is nothing for 1942 when he arrived in England.  So another brick wall.  I

still have some more enquiries to make so hopefully something will turn up.

It's as if he didn't exist!   I wonder why the records are so hard to find.



Ann





________________________________

From: John Halucha <john.halucha@... <mailto:john.halucha%40yahoo.com> >

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 11:23:55

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial





Welcome, Ann.

Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon

after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division in

my Dad's case).

I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed

through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have any



dates for various legs of your father's journey?

If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in South



Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at

http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749

There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you

will recognize someone.



I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the

USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find

as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed

with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at

Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he

endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a

deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar

documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.



Contact:

Irena Czernichowska

czernichowska@... <mailto:czernichowska%40hoover.stanford.edu>



General address

archives@... <mailto:archives%40hoover.stanford.edu>



Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining to



your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove

suggestions given here between brackets.)



Family Name: (include alternative spellings)



First Name:



Birth Date:



Birth Location:



Father:



Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)



Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service prior



to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details could



assist finding documents.)



Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any details

of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or service,

etc.)



You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents have

been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.



Good luck in your quest.



John Halucha

Sault Ste Marie, Canada



________________________________

From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@... <mailto:beemail27%40aol.com> >

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial



Hi Ann,



Welcome to the Group!



I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who

was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force

right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,

there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the Air

Force later on when he was in the Middle East.



My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish

Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early

1943. He also traveled from Capetown.



I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you

have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?



I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be

interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to

train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,

although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the

Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured

Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.



If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me

know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.



Barbara Soja Revoet

Connecticut



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> ,

ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:

>

> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce

> myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,

> and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother

> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of

> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle

> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his



> family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then

>later

>

> to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone

> can help me with this I would be most pleased.

>

>

> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. His



>

> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at

> Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where

> she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and



> were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible

> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

>

> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea

> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He

> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.

>Any

>

> help would be greatly appreciated.

>

> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's

> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped

>me

>

> a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,

> London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my

> grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,

>00-926

>

> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves of



> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I

> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records

>of

>

> my family.

>

> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -



> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail

> ok@...

>

>

> I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how to



>

> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I



> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

>

> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)

>

>

> Ann

>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Stefan,



Polish Resettlement Archives;

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/browser.asp?CATLN=3&CATID=13374&GPE\

=False&DOWN=FALSE&MARKER=0



John



--- On Tue, 21/9/10, Stefan Wisniowski (Kresy-Siberia)

<stefan.wisniowski@...> wrote:



From: Stefan Wisniowski (Kresy-Siberia) <stefan.wisniowski@...>

Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, 21 September, 2010, 7:47















 



















       Hi Ann







So, what is the “Polish Resettlement site� anyway?







Stefan







Sydney







From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of ANN SIBURUTH



Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45



To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com



Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial







Hiya John, just checking through some messages I saved from the Group - I have



received such a lot of useful information.  I checked the photo's from the South



Africa camp, and didn't recognise anyone - more's the pity!  I also went on the



Polish Resettlement site to look for the ship and passenger list for my Dad.



There is nothing for 1942 when he arrived in England.  So another brick wall.  I



still have some more enquiries to make so hopefully something will turn up.



It's as if he didn't exist!   I wonder why the records are so hard to find.







Ann











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From: John Halucha <john.halucha@... <mailto:john.halucha%40yahoo.com> >



To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>



Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 11:23:55



Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial







Welcome, Ann.



Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon



after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division in



my Dad's case).



I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed



through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have any







dates for various legs of your father's journey?



If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in South







Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at



http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749



There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you



will recognize someone.







I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the



USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find



as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed



with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at



Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he



endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a



deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar



documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.







Contact:



Irena Czernichowska



czernichowska@... <mailto:czernichowska%40hoover.stanford.edu>







General address



archives@... <mailto:archives%40hoover.stanford.edu>







Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining to







your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove



suggestions given here between brackets.)







Family Name: (include alternative spellings)







First Name:







Birth Date:







Birth Location:







Father:







Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)







Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service prior







to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details could







assist finding documents.)







Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any details



of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or service,



etc.)







You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents have



been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.







Good luck in your quest.







John Halucha



Sault Ste Marie, Canada







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From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@... <mailto:beemail27%40aol.com> >



To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>



Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM



Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial







Hi Ann,







Welcome to the Group!







I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who



was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force



right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,



there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the Air



Force later on when he was in the Middle East.







My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish



Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early



1943. He also traveled from Capetown.







I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you



have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?







I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be



interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to



train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,



although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the



Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured



Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.







If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me



know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.







Barbara Soja Revoet



Connecticut







--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> ,

ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:



>



> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce



> myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,



> and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother



> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of



> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle



> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his







> family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then



>later



>



> to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone



> can help me with this I would be most pleased.



>



>



> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. His







>



> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at



> Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where



> she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and







> were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible



> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.



>



> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea



> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He



> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.



>Any



>



> help would be greatly appreciated.



>



> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's



> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped



>me



>



> a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,



> London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my



> grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,



>00-926



>



> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves of







> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I



> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records



>of



>



> my family.



>



> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -







> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail



> ok@...



>



>



> I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how to







>



> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I







> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.



>



> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)



>



>



> Ann



>







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