Dear All,

I have just found this poem among papers from, I think, the "Persian period" of
the Sybirak's tulaczka. It is, obviously in Polish and I have not yet translated
it.

" O Mamo otrzyj lzy"  przez Jurka Bitschana

O! Mamo otrzyj lzy

Z usmiechem do mnie mow

Ta krew, co z piersi broczy,

Ta krew, co za nasz Lwow.

Ja bilem sie tak samo,

Jak starszy Mamo chwal

Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo

Tylko mi Polski zal!

Z prawdziwym karabinem,

U pierwszych stalem chwat.

O nie placz za tym synem,

Ze za Ojczyzne padl.

Z krwawa na kurtce plama

Odchodze dumny w dal,

Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo

Tylko mi Polski zal!

Mamo? czy jestes ze mna?

Nie slysze Twoich slow.

W oczach mi troche ciemno.

Obronilismy Lwow.

Zostaniesz biedna sama.

Bacznosc! Za Lwow! Cel! Pal!

Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo

Tylko mi Polski zal!

Sorry it's written out on an English keyboard. I can only think the poem was
part of an Akademia in one of the camps. I found it very touching and wanted to
share it.

Basia (UK)

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A documentary film which must be seen!

To commemorate the 71st anniversary of the invasion of Poland and the beginning
of WWII, on Sept. 9, 2010 at 7:15 P.M. in SPK, 206 Beverley St, Toronto will be
shown the documentary film "For Your Freedom and Ours". This film, produced from
archival wartime footage, portraits the substantial contribution of the Polish
nation to the Allied victory, reflects on the tragic betrayal and abandonment of
Poland to Stalin's Russia by the American President Roosevelt and English Prime
Minister Churchill at Teheran and Yalta, and concludes that it took the Poles
another 45 years of struggle to finally liberate their country themselves.

Film is in English. Admittance is free and everyone welcome.

www.mdavideo.net



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http://www.thenews.pl/national/artykul138772_communist-crime-prosecutions-to-be-\
discontinued.html


Communist crime prosecutions to be discontinued?01.09.2010 11:48
Up to 200 communist-era crime cases may be discontinued in Poland after a
Supreme Court ruling.

In August, the Supreme Court put a stop to a case in which two  communist
policemen, Jan D. and Janusz N. were charged for taking  repressive measures
against workers who staged a protest in Radom in 1976. The court ruled that the
case was unconstitutional.


The Institute of National Remembrance (IPN)  -  which examines communist and
Nazi era crimes - warns that the Supreme  Court’s ruling may set a precedent
for
discontinuing at least 20 percent  of communism-related cases currently being
investigated by the  institute, except murder and manslaughter cases.

  A classified list of 200 cases which might be discontinued  includes the murder
of priest Jerzy Popieluszko, Solidarity chaplain, of  Stanislaw Pyjas, member of
the anti-communist student movement and  Grzegorz Przemyk, son of an
oppositionist.




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Basiu, it's very nice by bringing this out for others to see.  This poem is
about  Orleta Lwowskie

(Lvovs Young Eagles or Lvovs Eaglets), boys and girls fighting with Ukrainians
after First WW.
This actualy is a song, very popular in pre-WW 2 Polish schools.  There is a
cemetery in Lvov
dedicated to Orleta Lwowskie.

Ed (s. j.)



________________________________
From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 7:38:15 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] A poem

 
Dear All,

I have just found this poem among papers from, I think, the "Persian period" of
the Sybirak's tulaczka. It is, obviously in Polish and I have not yet translated
it.

" O Mamo otrzyj lzy" przez Jurka Bitschana

O! Mamo otrzyj lzy

Z usmiechem do mnie mow

Ta krew, co z piersi broczy,

Ta krew, co za nasz Lwow.

Ja bilem sie tak samo,

Jak starszy Mamo chwal

Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo

Tylko mi Polski zal!

Z prawdziwym karabinem,

U pierwszych stalem chwat.

O nie placz za tym synem,

Ze za Ojczyzne padl.

Z krwawa na kurtce plama

Odchodze dumny w dal,

Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo

Tylko mi Polski zal!

Mamo? czy jestes ze mna?

Nie slysze Twoich slow.

W oczach mi troche ciemno.

Obronilismy Lwow.

Zostaniesz biedna sama.

Bacznosc! Za Lwow! Cel! Pal!

Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo

Tylko mi Polski zal!

Sorry it's written out on an English keyboard. I can only think the poem was
part of an Akademia in one of the camps. I found it very touching and wanted to
share it.

Basia (UK)

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A youtube film with a rendition of this song can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv6s9_5OZJ0&feature=related

Roman

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Edward Bator <bator.edward@...> wrote:
>
> Basiu, it's very nice by bringing this out for others to see.  This poem is
> about  Orleta Lwowskie
>
> (Lvovs Young Eagles or Lvovs Eaglets), boys and girls fighting with Ukrainians
> after First WW.
> This actualy is a song, very popular in pre-WW 2 Polish schools.  There is a
> cemetery in Lvov
> dedicated to Orleta Lwowskie.
>
> Ed (s. j.)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 7:38:15 AM
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] A poem
>
>  
> Dear All,
>
> I have just found this poem among papers from, I think, the "Persian period"
of
> the Sybirak's tulaczka. It is, obviously in Polish and I have not yet
translated
> it.
>
> " O Mamo otrzyj lzy" przez Jurka Bitschana
>
> O! Mamo otrzyj lzy
>
> Z usmiechem do mnie mow
>
> Ta krew, co z piersi broczy,
>
> Ta krew, co za nasz Lwow.
>
> Ja bilem sie tak samo,
>
> Jak starszy Mamo chwal
>
> Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo
>
> Tylko mi Polski zal!
>
> Z prawdziwym karabinem,
>
> U pierwszych stalem chwat.
>
> O nie placz za tym synem,
>
> Ze za Ojczyzne padl.
>
> Z krwawa na kurtce plama
>
> Odchodze dumny w dal,
>
> Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo
>
> Tylko mi Polski zal!
>
> Mamo? czy jestes ze mna?
>
> Nie slysze Twoich slow.
>
> W oczach mi troche ciemno.
>
> Obronilismy Lwow.
>
> Zostaniesz biedna sama.
>
> Bacznosc! Za Lwow! Cel! Pal!
>
> Tylko mi Ciebie Mamo
>
> Tylko mi Polski zal!
>
> Sorry it's written out on an English keyboard. I can only think the poem was
> part of an Akademia in one of the camps. I found it very touching and wanted
to
> share it.
>
> Basia (UK)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone knew anything about searching for burial records of
Poles who died in Kazakhstan in 1942? I am currently searching for any
information regarding my grandmother who died there from typhus after my family
arrived there from Siberia.
Karolinka

Hi Karolinka.
Zero chanches.as nobody where they been dieing if it in army there are record.
Ted

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "karolinkamichalczyszyn" <hamc@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I was wondering if anyone knew anything about searching for burial records of
Poles who died in Kazakhstan in 1942? I am currently searching for any
information regarding my grandmother who died there from typhus after my family
arrived there from Siberia.
> Karolinka
>

Hi Danuta,



Thank you so much for the original. I finally watched the entire youtube
clip and was thrilled to see the Polish church in Irkutsk close to the end
(10 mins in). I have not yet managed to find out much about the Irkutsk
oblast, where my maternal family were sent but this may just be the lead
I've been waiting for. Maybe the priest will have records? Now the minor
detail of finding the address!



Apologies for not replying sooner, I've been away.



Kind regards - Barbara













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 Hello all,
 I am interested in finding info about my father's family in Gluzy, located in
Kielc Busko.  The last name is Krzemien.  I don't know the Polish spelling. 
My
grandfather was Gregory, killed in 1917-1918, not sure of exact date. My
grandmother was Mary and there were 3 boys, John, Joe, Andrew & 2 girls, Tekla &
Christine.  I also have another spelling for the area they were in: 
Buskozruj,
Kielc.  My dad was born in 1911, went to Siberia and was in the Polish army. 
Went to Canada where he recuperated from a back injury and met other Poles that
chose to go there.  Any info will be greatly appreciated.  Thank U and God
Bless.....CJ



________________________________
From: karolinkamichalczyszyn <hamc@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 7:14:37 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: New member: introduction

 


Hello Romauld,
the information I have is rather sketchy - but I will do my best! My family were
farmers in Kolonia Senkow (near Brezezany) and my grandfather was one of the
post WWI army settlers. My father, Jan Michalczyszyn, was born in 1925 and was
one of 9 children. My uncle Stanislaw is still alive and lives in New York
State. As far as I can gather, on Feb 10, 1940, the NKVD broke through the door
in the middle of the night, gave the family 30 minutes to pack, and then
transported the family to the rairoad station. They were then taken in cattle
wagons: Tarnopol to Volochysk, then to Vinnitsya, Kiev, Moscow, Nizhny Novogrod,
Kazan, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk. i think at this stage they wend on sleighs over
the frozen Yenisey River: Podkamennaya Tunguska, following a tributary of the
Yenisey, called the Velmo, until they reached the Teya river. At the point where
these two rivers intersect is a place called Zimovaya Teya, which is where their
settlement was. There was not nearly enough food. My uncle climbed the trees,
knocked down pine cones, and roasted them so that they would pop open and he
could extract the seeds inside for food.

When the amnesty was called, my grandmother said 'we will not survive another
winter here'. Luckily, none of them had died. So the entire family left with
their belongings on rafts and made their way to Kazakhstan. Here, some of the
family stayed, but my father and 2 brothers took a transport ship to Pahlevi. I
don't know the name of the transport ship they went on. While my father and his
brothers were travelling, my grandmother contracted typhus in Kazakhstan and
died, they didn't find out until years later that she had passed away.

From here it gets a little sketchy, I know that they joined the armed forces,
that Uncle Mikolaj fought at Monte Cassino, and that my father and Uncle
Stanislaw ended up in England. Some of the family resettled in Poland, we
settled in the UK and Uncle Stanislaw in America.

I guess what I am trying to do is to collect as much information about my
family, but also i am trying to find out as much as I can of the collective
experience. One great resource is a book that i have found by Tadeusz
Piotrowski, called 'the Polish deportees of Worls War II. I also managed to
locate an interwar map that shows Kolonia Senkow. My father passed away when I
was 6 years old, I guess this is a sort of 'in memoriam' for him.

Karolinka

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, <romlipin@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Karolinka,
> Welcome to the group. Could you give us some more info about your relatives? I
>know that this is sometimes difficult. I am sure that you will find a lot of
>information from members of this group that will be helpful in your work.
>
> Regards
> Romuald
> ---- karolinkamichalczyszyn <hamc@...> wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > I have joined this group because my family was one of the many deported from
>Poland to Siberia.
> > My family lived in Kolonia Senkow Kuropatniki (Tarnopol province) and were
>deported on Feb 10 1940 to a 'settlement' in Krasnoyarsk, I don't know where
the
>exact location is, but it was a place called Zimovaya Teya, on the Teya River.
>(and I don't think I spelled the name of this correctly!)
> > My family left on rafts when there was the amnesty, and my father and his
>brothers made it to Pahlevi.
> > When I found out about my family's deportation I realised that this is what
i
>needed to write my next book on (just to let you know - I am a novelist not a
>historian, so I am trying to write novel based on the historical experiences of
>my family)
> > I have been feverishly researching - particularly over the past few months.
I
>would definately like to share what I have found and look forward to hearing
>other people's stories. In particular, I have found some documents from the
>Hoover Institution most recently which have been very useful, and I am now
>beginning to look at passenger lists and so forth.
> > I look forward to being a part of this group very much.
> > Caroline (Karolinka)
> >
> >
>




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71 rocznica wybuchu II wojny światowej w Bydgoszczy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvlJpm70hgQ&feature=channel

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Poland, Belarus, Lithuania. Where is it? June 1941. Kielmy, Różana, Jonawa,
Liepaja - Libawa - Libau



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlQquPVcJTI

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Anyone out there with a Masters degree or higher, this is your chance to apply
for a scholarship to research our Kresy-Siberia history in Poland.



Regards



Stefan Wisniowski

SYDNEY







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Czesc Basiu,

That's great that this youtube has given you some insight on the church in
Irkutsk. I wish you success in your research.

pozdrawiam,
Danuta :)


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Barbara Scrivens
   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:08 PM
   Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] We - the Polish Exiles - Danuta's posting of
23/08/10





   Hi Danuta,

   Thank you so much for the original. I finally watched the entire youtube
   clip and was thrilled to see the Polish church in Irkutsk close to the end
   (10 mins in). I have not yet managed to find out much about the Irkutsk
   oblast, where my maternal family were sent but this may just be the lead
   I've been waiting for. Maybe the priest will have records? Now the minor
   detail of finding the address!

   Apologies for not replying sooner, I've been away.

   Kind regards - Barbara

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pXtKRPd5qU

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Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern Poland,
and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother
Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle
brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his
family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then later
to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If anyone
can help me with this I would be most pleased. 


I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.  His
brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where
she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and
were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most terrible
with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He
came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped me
a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,
London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my
grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa, 00-926
Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves of
the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I
also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records of
my family.

I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -
KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail
ok@....


I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how to
obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.   I
would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
 

Ann

I could not access this site.  I would like to find out when my father was in
Siberia




________________________________
From: ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 2:44:17 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] burial

 
Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern Poland,
and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother
Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle
brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his
family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
later

to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If anyone
can help me with this I would be most pleased. 

I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.  His
brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where
she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and
were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most terrible
with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He
came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on. 
Any

help would be greatly appreciated.

I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped me

a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,
London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my
grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
00-926

Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves of
the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I
also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records of

my family.

I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -
KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail
ok@....

I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how
to
obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.   I
would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
 

Ann




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Dear Ann,

Welcome!

My mother and her family were deported to Altaiski Kraj to a slave camp called
Barnaul. Hope this helps.

Basia (UK)
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ANN SIBURUTH
   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:44 PM
   Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] burial



   Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
   myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern Poland,
   and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother
   Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
   Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle
   brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his
   family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
later
   to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If anyone
   can help me with this I would be most pleased.

   I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. 
His
   brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
   Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where
   she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and
   were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most terrible
   with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

   I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
   to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He
   came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on. 
Any
   help would be greatly appreciated.

   I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
   grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped
me
   a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,
   London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my
   grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
00-926
   Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves of
   the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I
   also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records
of
   my family.

   I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -
   KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail
   ok@....

   I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how
to
   obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.   I
   would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

   Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)


   Ann





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Hi CJ.



Would you mind sharing your name and location with us, it is a tradition here
that we are friends and colleagues and do not operate anonymously.



For new members, our main Information sources are located at
http://www.kresy-siberia.com/reference.html



There you will find info on the Karta Centre, including their website.  Their
database is at http://www.indeks.karta.org.pl/en/



(NB ok@... is not a site, it is an email address!)



Regards

Stefan Wisniowski

SYDNEY





From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of CJ Merfeld
Sent: Friday, 3 September 2010 06:15
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] ok@...





I could not access this site.  I would like to find out when my father was in
Siberia

________________________________
From: ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...
<mailto:ann.siburuth%40btinternet.com> >
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 2:44:17 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] burial


Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern Poland,
and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother
Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle
brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his
family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then later

to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If anyone
can help me with this I would be most pleased.

I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.  His
brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where
she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and
were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most terrible
with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He
came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.  Any

help would be greatly appreciated.

I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped me

a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,
London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my
grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa, 00-926

Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves of
the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I
also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records of

my family.

I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -
KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail
ok@... <mailto:ok%40karta.org.pl> .

I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how to
obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.   I
would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)


Ann

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Please welcome my long time friend, CJ Merfeld to the group!  I'm glad to see
you joined, CJ!  I'm sure you will learn a lot.

I searched for your father's village, Gluzy, in Google and saw where it is
located in southern Poland, but searching for Gluzy and Krzemien together only
brought up the city Krzemien, not the surname.  There are other ways to search
for family names which I will try later.

Again, welcome to the group!  I will help you as much as I can.  We will have to
get together to talk soon.

Barb Soja Revoet
Connecticut


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, CJ Merfeld <merfster1@...> wrote:
>
>  Hello all,
>  I am interested in finding info about my father's family in Gluzy, located
in
> Kielc Busko.  The last name is Krzemien.  I don't know the Polish
spelling.  My
> grandfather was Gregory, killed in 1917-1918, not sure of exact date. My
> grandmother was Mary and there were 3 boys, John, Joe, Andrew & 2 girls, Tekla
&
> Christine.  I also have another spelling for the area they were in: 
Buskozruj,
> Kielc.  My dad was born in 1911, went to Siberia and was in the Polish
army. 
> Went to Canada where he recuperated from a back injury and met other Poles
that
> chose to go there.  Any info will be greatly appreciated.  Thank U and God
> Bless.....CJ
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: karolinkamichalczyszyn <hamc@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 7:14:37 AM
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: New member: introduction
>
>  
>
>
> Hello Romauld,
> the information I have is rather sketchy - but I will do my best! My family
were
> farmers in Kolonia Senkow (near Brezezany) and my grandfather was one of the
> post WWI army settlers. My father, Jan Michalczyszyn, was born in 1925 and was
> one of 9 children. My uncle Stanislaw is still alive and lives in New York
> State. As far as I can gather, on Feb 10, 1940, the NKVD broke through the
door
> in the middle of the night, gave the family 30 minutes to pack, and then
> transported the family to the rairoad station. They were then taken in cattle
> wagons: Tarnopol to Volochysk, then to Vinnitsya, Kiev, Moscow, Nizhny
Novogrod,
> Kazan, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk. i think at this stage they wend on sleighs
over
> the frozen Yenisey River: Podkamennaya Tunguska, following a tributary of the
> Yenisey, called the Velmo, until they reached the Teya river. At the point
where
> these two rivers intersect is a place called Zimovaya Teya, which is where
their
> settlement was. There was not nearly enough food. My uncle climbed the trees,
> knocked down pine cones, and roasted them so that they would pop open and he
> could extract the seeds inside for food.
>
> When the amnesty was called, my grandmother said 'we will not survive another
> winter here'. Luckily, none of them had died. So the entire family left with
> their belongings on rafts and made their way to Kazakhstan. Here, some of the
> family stayed, but my father and 2 brothers took a transport ship to Pahlevi.
I
> don't know the name of the transport ship they went on. While my father and
his
> brothers were travelling, my grandmother contracted typhus in Kazakhstan and
> died, they didn't find out until years later that she had passed away.
>
> From here it gets a little sketchy, I know that they joined the armed forces,
> that Uncle Mikolaj fought at Monte Cassino, and that my father and Uncle
> Stanislaw ended up in England. Some of the family resettled in Poland, we
> settled in the UK and Uncle Stanislaw in America.
>
> I guess what I am trying to do is to collect as much information about my
> family, but also i am trying to find out as much as I can of the collective
> experience. One great resource is a book that i have found by Tadeusz
> Piotrowski, called 'the Polish deportees of Worls War II. I also managed to
> locate an interwar map that shows Kolonia Senkow. My father passed away when I
> was 6 years old, I guess this is a sort of 'in memoriam' for him.
>
> Karolinka
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, <romlipin@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Karolinka,
> > Welcome to the group. Could you give us some more info about your relatives?
I
> >know that this is sometimes difficult. I am sure that you will find a lot of
> >information from members of this group that will be helpful in your work.
> >
> > Regards
> > Romuald
> > ---- karolinkamichalczyszyn <hamc@> wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > > I have joined this group because my family was one of the many deported
from
> >Poland to Siberia.
> > > My family lived in Kolonia Senkow Kuropatniki (Tarnopol province) and were
> >deported on Feb 10 1940 to a 'settlement' in Krasnoyarsk, I don't know where
the
> >exact location is, but it was a place called Zimovaya Teya, on the Teya
River.
> >(and I don't think I spelled the name of this correctly!)
> > > My family left on rafts when there was the amnesty, and my father and his
> >brothers made it to Pahlevi.
> > > When I found out about my family's deportation I realised that this is
what i
> >needed to write my next book on (just to let you know - I am a novelist not a
> >historian, so I am trying to write novel based on the historical experiences
of
> >my family)
> > > I have been feverishly researching - particularly over the past few
months. I
> >would definately like to share what I have found and look forward to hearing
> >other people's stories. In particular, I have found some documents from the
> >Hoover Institution most recently which have been very useful, and I am now
> >beginning to look at passenger lists and so forth.
> > > I look forward to being a part of this group very much.
> > > Caroline (Karolinka)
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks for the article, John.  Unbelievable.

Barb Soja Revoet
Connecticut


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:
>
>
http://www.thenews.pl/national/artykul138772_communist-crime-prosecutions-to-be-\
discontinued.html
>
>
> Communist crime prosecutions to be discontinued?01.09.2010 11:48
> Up to 200 communist-era crime cases may be discontinued in Poland after a
> Supreme Court ruling.
>
> In August, the Supreme Court put a stop to a case in which two  communist
> policemen, Jan D. and Janusz N. were charged for taking  repressive measures
> against workers who staged a protest in Radom in 1976. The court ruled that
the
> case was unconstitutional.
>
>
> The Institute of National Remembrance (IPN)  -  which examines communist and
> Nazi era crimes - warns that the Supreme  Court’s ruling may set a precedent
for
> discontinuing at least 20 percent  of communism-related cases currently being
> investigated by the  institute, except murder and manslaughter cases.
>
>  A classified list of 200 cases which might be discontinued  includes the
murder
> of priest Jerzy Popieluszko, Solidarity chaplain, of  Stanislaw Pyjas, member
of
> the anti-communist student movement and  Grzegorz Przemyk, son of an
> oppositionist.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Ann,

Welcome to the Group!

I read your post with interest and a little confusion.  Was it your father who
was in the Air Force?  If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force
right away.  He originally signed up for Anders Army.  At that time in the USSR,
there was only one Polish army.  Your father was probably transferred to the Air
Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

My father followed a similar path.  He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish
Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early
1943.  He also traveled from Capetown.

I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India.  Do you
have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain.  That would be
interesting to find out.  Do you know if your father was being transferred to
train to become a paratrooper?  That is the story my father always told us,
although we have no record of his training.  The records we received from the
Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured
Division.  I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me
know.  I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on.  Thanks.

Barbara Soja Revoet
Connecticut


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
> myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern Poland,
> and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother
> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle
> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his
> family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
later
> to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If anyone
> can help me with this I would be most pleased. 
>
>
> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. 
His
> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
> Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where
> she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and
> were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most terrible
> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.
>
> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He
> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on. 
Any
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped
me
> a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,
> London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my
> grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
00-926
> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves of
> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I
> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records
of
> my family.
>
> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -
> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail
> ok@...
>
>
> I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how
to
> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.   I
> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.
>
> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
>  
>
> Ann
>

Welcome, Ann.
Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon
after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division in
my Dad's case).
I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed
through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have any
dates for various legs of your father's journey?
If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in South
Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at
http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749
There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you
will recognize someone.

I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the
USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find
as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed
with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at
Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he
endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a
deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar
documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

Contact:
Irena Czernichowska
czernichowska@...

General address
archives@...

Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining to
your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove
suggestions given here between brackets.)

Family Name:  (include alternative spellings)

First Name:

Birth Date:

Birth Location:

Father:

Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service prior
to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details could
assist finding documents.)

Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any details
of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or service,
etc.)

You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents have
been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

Good luck in your quest.

John Halucha
Sault Ste Marie, Canada




________________________________
From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial


Hi Ann,

Welcome to the Group!

I read your post with interest and a little confusion.  Was it your father who
was in the Air Force?  If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force
right away.  He originally signed up for Anders Army.  At that time in the USSR,
there was only one Polish army.  Your father was probably transferred to the Air
Force later on when he was in the Middle East.


My father followed a similar path.  He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish
Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early
1943.  He also traveled from Capetown.


I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India.  Do you
have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?


I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain.  That would be
interesting to find out.  Do you know if your father was being transferred to
train to become a paratrooper?  That is the story my father always told us,
although we have no record of his training.  The records we received from the
Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured
Division.  I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.


If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me
know.  I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on.  Thanks.

Barbara Soja Revoet
Connecticut

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
> myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern Poland,
> and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother
> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle
> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his

> family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
>later
>
> to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If anyone
> can help me with this I would be most pleased.
>
>
> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. 
His
>
> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
> Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where
> she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and

> were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most terrible
> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.
>
> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He
> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.
>Any
>
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped
>me
>
> a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,
> London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my
> grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
>00-926
>
> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves of

> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I
> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records
>of
>
> my family.
>
> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -

> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail
> ok@...
>
>
> I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how
to
>
> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.   I

> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.
>
> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
>
>
> Ann
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all,
In preparation for hosting the Katyn Forest Massacre exhibit put together by the
"Rada Pamieci..." in our Central Library in Buffalo, I've offered to provide the
library with a list of books they can pull from their collection for a special
display adjacent to the exhibit. (I'd also like to talk them into buying some
books they may not have in their collection.)
I've copied the bibliography from "Kresy-Siberia" and am looking for more.
Perhaps one of you has put together a similar list of books.
I'm looking for books on both occupations, the Nazi as well as the Soviet.
Thanks in advance,
Andy GolebiowskiBuffalo, N.Y.U.S.A.








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello John,
I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My father
was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When
word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he
joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the
Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a recruitment
record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he
presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he
joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be more
information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the
Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and
Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed
and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

Thanks very much.
Anna Franklin
Edmonton, Canada.

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome, Ann.
> Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon
> after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division
in
> my Dad's case).
> I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed
> through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have
any
> dates for various legs of your father's journey?
> If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in
South
> Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at
> http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749
> There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you
> will recognize someone.
>
> I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the
> USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find
> as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed
> with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at
> Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he
> endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a
> deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar
> documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.
>
> Contact:
> Irena Czernichowska
> czernichowska@...
>
> General address
> archives@...
>
> Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining
to
> your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove
> suggestions given here between brackets.)
>
> Family Name:  (include alternative spellings)
>
> First Name:
>
> Birth Date:
>
> Birth Location:
>
> Father:
>
> Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)
>
> Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service
prior
> to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details
could
> assist finding documents.)
>
> Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any
details
> of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or
service,
> etc.)
>
> You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents
have
> been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.
>
> Good luck in your quest.
>
> John Halucha
> Sault Ste Marie, Canada
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial
>
>
> Hi Ann,
>
> Welcome to the Group!
>
> I read your post with interest and a little confusion.  Was it your father who
> was in the Air Force?  If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force
> right away.  He originally signed up for Anders Army.  At that time in the
USSR,
> there was only one Polish army.  Your father was probably transferred to the
Air
> Force later on when he was in the Middle East.
>
>
> My father followed a similar path.  He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish
> Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early
> 1943.  He also traveled from Capetown.
>
>
> I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India.  Do you
> have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?
>
>
> I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain.  That would
be
> interesting to find out.  Do you know if your father was being transferred to
> train to become a paratrooper?  That is the story my father always told us,
> although we have no record of his training.  The records we received from the
> Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured
> Division.  I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.
>
>
> If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me
> know.  I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on.  Thanks.
>
> Barbara Soja Revoet
> Connecticut
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
> > myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern
Poland,
> > and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother
> > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
> > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle
> > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and
his
>
> > family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
> >later
> >
> > to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If
anyone
> > can help me with this I would be most pleased.
> >
> >
> > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. 
His
> >
> > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
> > Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,
where
> > she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,
and
>
> > were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most
terrible
> > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.
> >
> > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
> > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He
> > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.
> >Any
> >
> > help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her
grandmother's
> > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has
helped
> >me
> >
> > a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,
> > London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my
> > grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
> >00-926
> >
> > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves
of
>
> > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I
> > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no
records
> >of
> >
> > my family.
> >
> > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia
-
>
> > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail
> > ok@
> >
> >
> > I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how
to
> >
> > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.  
I
>
> > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.
> >
> > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
> >
> >
> > Ann
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Anna welcome to the group. What's the name of the uncle from Poland who was
in the middle east and Italy? Do you know which unit of the Polish 2nd Corps he
was in, or what was his job was?

Regards
Chris..................



________________________________
From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:17:32 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

 
Hello John,
I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My father
was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When
word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he
joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the
Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a recruitment
record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he
presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he
joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be more
information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the
Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and
Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed
and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

Thanks very much.
Anna Franklin
Edmonton, Canada.

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome, Ann.
> Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon
> after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division
in
>
> my Dad's case).
> I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed
> through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have
>any
>
> dates for various legs of your father's journey?
> If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in
>South
>
> Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at
> http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749
> There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you
> will recognize someone.
>
> I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the

> USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find

> as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed

> with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at
> Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he

> endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a
> deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar
> documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.
>
> Contact:
> Irena Czernichowska
> czernichowska@...
>
> General address
> archives@...
>
> Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining
>to
>
> your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove
> suggestions given here between brackets.)
>
> Family Name: (include alternative spellings)
>
> First Name:
>
> Birth Date:
>
> Birth Location:
>
> Father:
>
> Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)
>
> Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service
>prior
>
> to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details
>could
>
> assist finding documents.)
>
> Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any
details
>
> of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or
service,
>
> etc.)
>
> You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents
have
>
> been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.
>
> Good luck in your quest.
>
> John Halucha
> Sault Ste Marie, Canada
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial
>
>
> Hi Ann,
>
> Welcome to the Group!
>
> I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who
> was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force
> right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,

> there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the
Air
>
> Force later on when he was in the Middle East.
>
>
> My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish
> Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early

> 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.
>
>
> I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you
> have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?
>
>
> I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be

> interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to
> train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,
> although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the
> Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured

> Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.
>
>
> If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me
> know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.
>
> Barbara Soja Revoet
> Connecticut
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce

> > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,

> > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother
> > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
> > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle
> > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and
>his
>
>
> > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
> >later
> >
> > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone

> > can help me with this I would be most pleased.
> >
> >
> > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.
>His
>
> >
> > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
> > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where

> > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,
and
>
>
> > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible

> > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.
> >
> > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea

> > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He
> > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.
> >Any
> >
> > help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her
grandmother's
>
> > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has
helped
>
> >me
> >
> > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,
> > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my
> > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
> >00-926
> >
> > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves
of
>
>
> > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I
> > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no
records
>
> >of
> >
> > my family.
> >
> > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia
>-
>
>
> > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail
> > ok@
> >
> >
> > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how
>to
>
> >
> > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I

>
> > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.
> >
> > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
> >
> >
> > Ann
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's nice to see another member from Edmonton....I live here also
.

hania



________________________________
From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:17:32 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

 
Hello John,
I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My father
was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When
word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he
joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the
Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a recruitment
record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he
presented to the Airforce were acceptable.

He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he
joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be more
information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the
Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and
Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed
and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.

Thanks very much.
Anna Franklin
Edmonton, Canada.

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome, Ann.
> Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon
> after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division
in
>
> my Dad's case).
> I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed
> through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have
>any
>
> dates for various legs of your father's journey?
> If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in
>South
>
> Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at
> http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749
> There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you
> will recognize someone.
>
> I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the

> USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find

> as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed

> with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at
> Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he

> endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a
> deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar
> documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.
>
> Contact:
> Irena Czernichowska
> czernichowska@...
>
> General address
> archives@...
>
> Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining
>to
>
> your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove
> suggestions given here between brackets.)
>
> Family Name: (include alternative spellings)
>
> First Name:
>
> Birth Date:
>
> Birth Location:
>
> Father:
>
> Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)
>
> Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service
>prior
>
> to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details
>could
>
> assist finding documents.)
>
> Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any
details
>
> of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or
service,
>
> etc.)
>
> You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents
have
>
> been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.
>
> Good luck in your quest.
>
> John Halucha
> Sault Ste Marie, Canada
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial
>
>
> Hi Ann,
>
> Welcome to the Group!
>
> I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who
> was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force
> right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,

> there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the
Air
>
> Force later on when he was in the Middle East.
>
>
> My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish
> Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early

> 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.
>
>
> I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you
> have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?
>
>
> I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be

> interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to
> train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,
> although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the
> Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured

> Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.
>
>
> If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me
> know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.
>
> Barbara Soja Revoet
> Connecticut
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce

> > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,

> > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother
> > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
> > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle
> > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and
>his
>
>
> > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
> >later
> >
> > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone

> > can help me with this I would be most pleased.
> >
> >
> > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.
>His
>
> >
> > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
> > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where

> > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,
and
>
>
> > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible

> > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.
> >
> > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea

> > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He
> > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.
> >Any
> >
> > help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her
grandmother's
>
> > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has
helped
>
> >me
> >
> > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,
> > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my
> > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
> >00-926
> >
> > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves
of
>
>
> > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I
> > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no
records
>
> >of
> >
> > my family.
> >
> > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia
>-
>
>
> > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail
> > ok@
> >
> >
> > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how
>to
>
> >
> > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I

>
> > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.
> >
> > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
> >
> >
> > Ann
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Barbara, thanks very much.  I honestly do not know which camp they were
in
- only that he worked in the forest.  They were working 12-14 hours per day,
and
guarded by the wretched NKVD.  In his deposition he states that the camp
informants were Ukrainian.  Accommodation he writes were old pre-war buildings,
and they had to sleep on wooden boards.  There were hardly any roads only rough
tracks which made it very hard to walk.  They were given black bread and
gruel. 
He wouldn't talk much about his experiences, as he found them too painful.  He
did tell me once though that in the warmer months, bugs used to get into the
cracks in the huts, and they had to use knives and boiling water inserted into
the cracks to kill them.  How did you know where your Mother was?  Did she
tell
you?  I just wish I knew where to go for information as they must be on a list
or record somewhere.

Kind regards
 
Ann
 




________________________________
From: Barbara Milligan <bwbm@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 2 September, 2010 22:04:22
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] burial

 
Dear Ann,

Welcome!

My mother and her family were deported to Altaiski Kraj to a slave camp called
Barnaul. Hope this helps.

Basia (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: ANN SIBURUTH
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:44 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] burial

Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,
and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother
Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle
brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his
family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then later
to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone
can help me with this I would be most pleased.

I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. His
brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where
she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and
were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible
with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.

I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He
came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped me

a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,
London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my
grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa, 00-926
Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves of
the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I
also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records of

my family.

I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -
KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail
ok@....

I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how to
obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I
would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.

Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)


Ann

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hiya Barbara, thanks for your message, I am receiving all sorts of really good
information.  Now then you have me confused!!!!  I have read many documents
and
books regarding the plight of the Polish people coming out of Siberia, and there
is indeed no mention of the Air Force, only Anders Army.  Dad thought he was
just such a wonderful person.  In fact I remember meeting him here in England
when I was quite young.  Anyhow down to business:  I have a copy of his Air
Force Record, and on looking more carefully at the writing it does say "Polish
Armed Forces, enrolled in U.S.S.R. 7th February 1942".  So I do
apologise.   
With it being an RAF document, I just assumed he went into a separate
movement. 
His engagement in the RAF was 12th June 1942.  I remember he talked about being
in Scotland for a time, and then he came to Blackpool (not far from us), and
then he went down South towards London, and the South East.  Dad was in RAF
306 Polish Squadron as a flight mechanic on the Spitfires.
 
Once they reached Persia, Dad travelled onto England, and his brother went to
the Middle East, and then to Monte Cassino in Italy.   Sadly I have no
pictures
of him during his travels, only his time in England in the RAF.   I have
attached a photo of him and his brother in their uniforms.  Dad has a
moustache.    He told me he was in Bombay, and then moved to Cape Town, where
he
came to England.  If I manage to find out more I would certainly let you know
as
it would be just fantastic to find someone who travelled with Dad.
Ann
 




________________________________
From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 7:03:20
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

 
Hi Ann,

Welcome to the Group!

I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who
was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force
right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,
there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the Air
Force later on when he was in the Middle East.


My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish
Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early
1943. He also traveled from Capetown.


I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you
have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?


I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be
interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to
train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,
although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the
Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured
Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.


If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me
know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

Barbara Soja Revoet
Connecticut

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
> myself, and also try to help if I can.  My father was born in Eastern
Poland,
> and our family name is Wojturski.  He was arrested with his oldest brother
> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia.  For some strange reason the middle
> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and
his

> family.  They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
>later
>
> to another place in Altajski Kraj.  However I do not know the camp. If
anyone
> can help me with this I would be most pleased. 
>
>
> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. 
His
>
> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
> Monte Cassino.  My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,
where
> she died of Typhus.  I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,
and

> were sent to work on the collective farms.  The conditions were most
terrible
> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.
>
> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.  He
> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on. 
>Any
>
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped
>me
>
> a lot in finding out more about my Dad.  Their address is:  20 Princes Gate,
> London SW7 1PT.  I also received much help from Poland regarding my
> grandmother's burial in Teheran.  Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
>00-926
>
> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland.  They are the people who help trace graves
of

> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia.  Maybe they could help.  I
> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records
>of
>
> my family.
>
> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -

> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa.  E-mail
> ok@...
>
>
> I hope this information is useful.  My last question is does anyone know how
to
>
> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.  
I

> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.
>
> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
>  
>
> Ann
>




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Hiya John, thanks ever so much for your help - everyone has been so kind in
helping with information.  It was his brother Julek, who went to the middle
east, and then to Monte Cassino in Italy with the Polish Army.   Once they
reached Persia, and had received "the treatment" of de lousing etc, and was
built up with good food, he was sent to Palestine.  Dad on the other hand came
to England via Bombay in India, and Cape Town, South Africa.  He was in the
RAF,
Polish Squadron 306, and was a flight mechanic working on the Spitfires.

Wouldn't it be great if we could find their exit visas?  I shall certainly
contact Stamford Uni to see if they can help.  After war ended Uncle Julek
arrived in England in the South East, but he decided to return home to Poland,
whilst dad stayed in England.  Our family now live in Rogozno, which is near
to
Poznan.   I have a dream to return to Lwow next year, and try to find out
more.   Thanks again John.  If I do find anything more out about the exit
visas I will certainly let you know.
 
Ann
 




________________________________
From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 3 September, 2010 11:23:55
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

 
Welcome, Ann.
Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon
after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division in
my Dad's case).
I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed
through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have any

dates for various legs of your father's journey?
If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in South

Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at
http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749
There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you
will recognize someone.

I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from the
USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to find
as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours, stayed
with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at
Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what he
endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a
deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar
documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.

Contact:
Irena Czernichowska
czernichowska@...

General address
archives@...

Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents pertaining to

your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove
suggestions given here between brackets.)

Family Name: (include alternative spellings)

First Name:

Birth Date:

Birth Location:

Father:

Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)

Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service prior

to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details could

assist finding documents.)

Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any details
of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or service,
etc.)

You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents have
been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.

Good luck in your quest.

John Halucha
Sault Ste Marie, Canada

________________________________
From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial

Hi Ann,

Welcome to the Group!

I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father who
was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force
right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the USSR,
there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the Air
Force later on when he was in the Middle East.

My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish
Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or early
1943. He also traveled from Capetown.

I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you
have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?

I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would be
interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to
train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,
although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the
Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish Armoured
Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.

If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let me
know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.

Barbara Soja Revoet
Connecticut

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to introduce
> myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern Poland,
> and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother
> Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
> Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle
> brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and his


> family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
>later
>
> to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If anyone
> can help me with this I would be most pleased.
>
>
> I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R. His

>
> brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought at
> Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran, where
> she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941, and

> were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most terrible
> with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.
>
> I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian Sea
> to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa. He
> came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came on.
>Any
>
> help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her grandmother's
> grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has helped
>me
>
> a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,
> London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my
> grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
>00-926
>
> Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves of

> the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I
> also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no records
>of
>
> my family.
>
> I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to Siberia -


> KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail
> ok@...
>
>
> I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know how to

>
> obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R. I

> would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.
>
> Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
>
>
> Ann
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Chris,

Very nice to hear from you. I am sorry I don't have much information about my
uncle. My dad told me very little about his war years or about my uncle's. My
uncle's name was Stanislaw Filipek. He was born in 1909 in Moravia,
Czechoslovakia. He was captured by the Russians September 19, 1939 and joined
Anders Army at Tockoje in September,2, 1941. After the war his wife joined him
in England and they lived with us for 3 years before emmigrating to Aregentina.
He died in 1970. I have gone through the 35 or so letters he wrote to my dad
during the war to see if there is any indication of his regiment number. This is
what I found (I don't speak or write Polish and I haven't had the letters
translated yet):

-No.8573 A.R.P, Polish Forces 341, C.M.F. (date stamp is illegible)
-6.5.43, PA/Forces 341 C.M.F.
-12.6.43, PA/Forces 341 C.M.F.
-5.5.44, PA/Forces 342
-28.9.46, Polish Forces 344, Middle East

Perhaps the above indicates which unit he was in. I am sorry, I know very little
about the army. I do have a photograph of my father and uncle in their uniforms
if you think this would help. Let me know and I will send it on. In the
photograph you can see his flashes and his medals.

Regards,
Anna.


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <wroblew705@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Anna welcome to the group. What's the name of the uncle from Poland who
was
> in the middle east and Italy? Do you know which unit of the Polish 2nd Corps
he
> was in, or what was his job was?
>
> Regards
> Chris..................
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: annafranklin85 <annafranklin@...>
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:17:32 AM
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial
>
>  
> Hello John,
> I am very interested in the information you, Ann and Barb have posted. My
father
> was arrested and charged with being a spy and sent to the White Sea area. When
> word of the amnesty was known, he travelled to Olmazor near Tashkent where he
> joined Anders Army. I have found his "Certificate Of Graduation" from the
> Officer Cadet School where he trained as a rifleman. Also, I have a
recruitment
> record stating that the documents from his detainment and enlistment that he
> presented to the Airforce were acceptable.
>
> He told me he also left from Bombay via Capetown and then to Scotland where he
> joined the Airforce. I am waiting for his RAF records so hope there will be
more
> information. I am also trying to find information on my uncle who was in the
> Polish Army when he was captured. He went on to fight in the North Africa and
> Italian Campaigns. I will certainly follow up on the resources you have listed
> and, hopefully, be able to fill in a lot of blanks.
>
> Thanks very much.
> Anna Franklin
> Edmonton, Canada.
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, John Halucha <john.halucha@> wrote:
> >
> > Welcome, Ann.
> > Like your father and Barb's, mine survived the USSR to join Anders and soon
> > after transfer to the Polish Forces in Britain (1st Polish Armoured Division
in
> >
> > my Dad's case).
> > I am also curious about the route from Persia to the UK. My father passed
> > through Palestine, but I am not aware of a detour through India. Do you have
> >any
> >
> > dates for various legs of your father's journey?
> > If his route took him through the huge Polish camps at Pietermaritzburg in
> >South
> >
> > Africa, you might be interested in some of the photos in the album at
> > http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=17749
> > There are several unidentified Polish soldiers featured there, and maybe you
> > will recognize someone.
> >
> > I have also been searching for my father's "amnesty"/travel documents from
the
>
> > USSR, but since he transferred to the UK the records are not as simple to
find
>
> > as they are for those who stayed with Anders. But my uncle, like yours,
stayed
>
> > with the 2nd Corps after departing the USSR, and the Hoover Institution at
> > Stanford University has several documents that threw a lot of light on what
he
>
> > endured. In addition to a copy of the travel document, I got a copy of a
> > deposition my uncle wrote in his own hand. You may be able to find similar
> > documents for your Uncle Julek - and maybe for your father, too.
> >
> > Contact:
> > Irena Czernichowska
> > czernichowska@
> >
> > General address
> > archives@
> >
> > Write an e-mail requesting any information and copies of documents
pertaining
> >to
> >
> > your relative. You can use this point-form format to ease research. (Remove
> > suggestions given here between brackets.)
> >
> > Family Name: (include alternative spellings)
> >
> > First Name:
> >
> > Birth Date:
> >
> > Birth Location:
> >
> > Father:
> >
> > Mother: (including maiden name in brackets, if known)
> >
> > Transport: (Last known location and occupation in Poland, military service
> >prior
> >
> > to and in 1939, when departed Poland and under what circumstances. Details
> >could
> >
> > assist finding documents.)
> >
> > Army service: (Mention when the soldier came under British Command, any
details
> >
> > of units, rank, military decorations, dates and locations of action or
service,
> >
> > etc.)
> >
> > You could begin with an e-mail inquiry. If you are notified that documents
have
> >
> > been found, you can request that copies be mailed to your postal address.
> >
> > Good luck in your quest.
> >
> > John Halucha
> > Sault Ste Marie, Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: barb_soja_revoet <beemail27@>
> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 2:03:20 AM
> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: burial
> >
> >
> > Hi Ann,
> >
> > Welcome to the Group!
> >
> > I read your post with interest and a little confusion. Was it your father
who
> > was in the Air Force? If he joined in the USSR, he didn't join the Air Force
> > right away. He originally signed up for Anders Army. At that time in the
USSR,
>
> > there was only one Polish army. Your father was probably transferred to the
Air
> >
> > Force later on when he was in the Middle East.
> >
> >
> > My father followed a similar path. He ended up fighting under the 1st Polish
> > Armoured Division out of Scotland and arrived in Britain in late 1942 or
early
>
> > 1943. He also traveled from Capetown.
> >
> >
> > I am curious if my father followed your father's route through India. Do you
> > have any records or pictures of your father's trek through India?
> >
> >
> > I wonder if they were on the same ship from Capetown to Britain. That would
be
>
> > interesting to find out. Do you know if your father was being transferred to
> > train to become a paratrooper? That is the story my father always told us,
> > although we have no record of his training. The records we received from the
> > Ministry of Defense only show him being transferred to the 1st Polish
Armoured
>
> > Division. I wonder if there are more detailed records out there.
> >
> >
> > If you find out the name of your father's ship out of Capetown, please let
me
> > know. I have a feeling it's the same one my father was on. Thanks.
> >
> > Barbara Soja Revoet
> > Connecticut
> >
> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, ANN SIBURUTH <ann.siburuth@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Everybody, I am a new member of the group, and would like to
introduce
>
> > > myself, and also try to help if I can. My father was born in Eastern
Poland,
>
> > > and our family name is Wojturski. He was arrested with his oldest brother
> > > Julek, and their mother on Saturday 10th February 1940 in the village of
> > > Oryzkowce and transported to Siberia. For some strange reason the middle
> > > brother Juzek wasn't arrested, but there was a much worse fate for him and
> >his
> >
> >
> > > family. They were first sent to a place called Juzny-Leso-Punkt, and then
> > >later
> > >
> > > to another place in Altajski Kraj. However I do not know the camp. If
anyone
>
> > > can help me with this I would be most pleased.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a copy of his Air Force record, and he joined somewhere in U.S.S.R.
> >His
> >
> > >
> > > brother Julek joined "Anders Army" and was sent to Palestine, and fought
at
> > > Monte Cassino. My grandmother is buried in Dulhab cemetery in Teheran,
where
>
> > > she died of Typhus. I know that they were in Samarkand in September 1941,
and
> >
> >
> > > were sent to work on the collective farms. The conditions were most
terrible
>
> > > with the cold, snow and having to sleep out in the open.
> > >
> > > I would love to know what ships my dad travelled on - across the Caspian
Sea
>
> > > to Persia, then onto Bombay in India, and then to Capetown South Africa.
He
> > > came to England in 1942, but I cannot find the name of the ship he came
on.
> > >Any
> > >
> > > help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > I have received an e-mail from a lady who is trying to find her
grandmother's
> >
> > > grave in Khazakistan - The Sikorski Institute and Museum in London has
helped
> >
> > >me
> > >
> > > a lot in finding out more about my Dad. Their address is: 20 Princes Gate,
> > > London SW7 1PT. I also received much help from Poland regarding my
> > > grandmother's burial in Teheran. Rada Ochrony Pamieci Walk I Meczenstwa,
> > >00-926
> > >
> > > Warszawa, Ul. Wspolna 2, Poland. They are the people who help trace graves
of
> >
> >
> > > the Polish people who died coming out of Siberia. Maybe they could help. I
> > > also contacted the International Red Cross in Geneva, but they had no
records
> >
> > >of
> > >
> > > my family.
> > >
> > > I also have another website address of all Polish people deported to
Siberia
> >-
> >
> >
> > > KARTA Centre (Osrodek KARTA), UL.nARBUTTA 29, 02-536, Warszawa. E-mail
> > > ok@
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope this information is useful. My last question is does anyone know
how
> >to
> >
> > >
> > > obtain copies of the exit visas the Polish people needed to leave U.S.S.R.
I
>
> >
> > > would very much like to have a copy of my Dad's.
> > >
> > > Ann Siburuth (nee Wojturska)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ann
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>