G'day Stasia,A Big Welcome from a member of K-Siberia.
  No I am not an 'aussie' but I do have relatives in Matcham outside Sydney &
have been a few times- great country but am now too old to travel so far
only 86 years old.
please let them know as much as possible regards your family, they have
helped me a lot & still are .
Kind regards.
Cynthia Pukiello, widow of Michael died 1981 very suddenly.

----- Original Message -----
From: <kms0902@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:39 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Please welcome new member


Please welcome new member, Stasia Taylor, of Perth Australia.  Stasia was
involved in the 60th anniversary of the arrival of Polish deportees to
Australia last weekend, and her daughter Christine Goddard of California has
agreed to assist us with our Survivor Interview Project.

Stasia, please tell us a little about your interest in the Group, and your
family background.  I'm sure that our members will be very helpful in any
researches you are looking to undertake.

Krystyna

--
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& Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum Administrator
www.Kresy-Siberia.org
also Kresy-Siberia Group Moderator
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia
email:
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Gentle members,

For the benefit of members, the below message from "mysfloss" was from
Richard Myszka from France.

For the future, it is good etiquette to write our name and location on our
e-mail messages for the benefit of others.



Regards



--
STEFAN WI�NIOWSKI
Foundation President

Kresy-Siberia Foundation
"Established to inspire, promote and support research, remembrance and
recognition of Polish citizens' struggles in the Eastern Borderlands and in
Exile during World War 2."  Registered in Poland (KRS 0000326445), UK
(Company No. 6946138), Australia (ABN 63136599776) & other countries
pending.

  <http://www.kresy-siberia.org/> www.Kresy-Siberia.org

ul. Krakowskie Przedmie�cie 64 lok. 31

00-322 Warszawa, Polska

tel/fax +48 22 556 90 55

Personal:
Seaforth NSW 2092 Australia
Stefan.Wisniowski@...

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of mysfloss
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 1:59 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] stations



Hi I would be like some help in tracking down the likely railway station
which my father was transpoted from.He came from the village of Waniow which
is situated 7kms east from Belz and 20kms south west of sokal, any ideas.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi:  I happened across this group and thought I might be able to get some
insight into my mother's experience. In 1939 when she was 17, she was "picked
up" by the Russians and sent to a camp in Siberia. I don't know exactly why but
was told it had something to do with the activities of her brother, who got her
entangled. I know little about how long she was in the gulag or what happened to
her while there. She did was eventually released and ended up in Persia with the
allied army. Ultimately, once the war ended, she landed in Bolton, England in a
displaced persons camp. There she met my father and the two were given the
option of being relocated to either Canada, the US, or Australia. They chose the
US and came over by ship, landing in New York in April 1951. That's all I know
and am trying to fill in the gaps.

Bozena

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, <kms0902@...> wrote:
>
> Please welcome Bozena Lamparska to the group.
>
> Bozena, please tell us what your connection is to the Kresy-Siberia story, and
how our members can help you in any research areas ?
>
> Krystyna
>
> --
> KRYSTYNA SZYPOWSKA
> Foundation Director, Kresy-Siberia Foundation
> & Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum Administrator
> www.Kresy-Siberia.org
> also Kresy-Siberia Group Moderator
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia
> email:
> Krystyna.Szypowska@...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> My name is Bozena Lamparska and I live in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I also can not find the train from Kostopol, Wolyn.Our car from Janowa Dolina
was
attached to main train in Kostopol .

Ed, stary junak



--- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@... <kms0902@...> wrote:

From: kms0902@... <kms0902@...>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains: numbers don't add up
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:18 PM







 









       I believe this list only covers the trains that originated in the USSR.
Many Polish trains were also commandeered for this purpose.  This list does not
include them.



Krystyna Szypowska

Ontario Canada

------------ --------- ---



Another ignorant and/or naive question...



There are some 230 trains in the list, with on average, 1500 people on each
train. This gives around 345,000 deportees.



Now I heard statements that, based on the number of trains and 'passengers' per
train, the real number of deportees is somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 million.
Something doesn't add up here, even if you allow for a few unlisted trains.



Will somebody enlighten me as to the reason for this discrepancy?



Janusz



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hold it!  The statement should be : "for USSR ...left Kresy". Just a small
adjustment.
Ed, stary junak.


--- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@... <kms0902@...> wrote:

From: kms0902@... <kms0902@...>
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:05 PM







 









       Hi Junusz,



Feb 10th is the first date of deportation.



The dates shown on the list are the dates the trains left the USSR heading for
the Kresy stations.



Krystyna Szypowska

Ontario Canada



--- In Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com, "Antoni Kazimierski" <ASKAZIMIERSKI@
...> wrote:

> the database with lists of stations and destinations.



A naive and/or ignorant question: 17 Feb 1940 is considered to be the 1st day of
deportations from Kresy. But the database lists some 50+ train departures
_before_ that date, and for that matter, no departures on 17 Feb.

able and willing to provide an explanation?



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Actually, Ed, the original statement is correct.  The list originated in the
USSR.  The schedule shows the trains that left the USSR, for example on Feb 5th,
and headed to the Kresy region to pick up people that were to be deported on Feb
10th.

Krystyna Szypowska
Ontario Canada



----- Original Message -----
From: ed Bator
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains


Hold it!  The statement should be : "for USSR ...left Kresy". Just a small
adjustment.
Ed, stary junak.

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@... <kms0902@...> wrote:

From: kms0902@... <kms0902@...>
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:05 PM



Hi Junusz,

Feb 10th is the first date of deportation.

The dates shown on the list are the dates the trains left the USSR heading for
the Kresy stations.

Krystyna Szypowska

Ontario Canada




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See, I got a tunnel mind. I thought who cares when and where they came from,
it's when
and where from they hauled my but. You will accept my apologies?, I hope. As we
used to say in polish: "Wracam honor do kieszeni"   Ed, stary junak (that's my
excuse).

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@... <kms0902@...> wrote:

From: kms0902@... <kms0902@...>
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 6:55 PM







 









       Actually, Ed, the original statement is correct.  The list originated in
the USSR.  The schedule shows the trains that left the USSR, for example on Feb
5th, and headed to the Kresy region to pick up people that were to be deported
on Feb 10th.



Krystyna Szypowska

Ontario Canada



----- Original Message -----

From: ed Bator

To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains



Hold it!  The statement should be : "for USSR ...left Kresy". Just a small
adjustment.

Ed, stary junak.



--- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@sympatico. ca <kms0902@sympatico. ca> wrote:



From: kms0902@sympatico. ca <kms0902@sympatico. ca>

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains

To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:05 PM



Hi Junusz,



Feb 10th is the first date of deportation.



The dates shown on the list are the dates the trains left the USSR heading for
the Kresy stations.



Krystyna Szypowska



Ontario Canada



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Disregard this last comment. I have to eat a humble pie. You see, am not as fast
on your postings as you young wiper snappers, my favor expression to my
granddaughters. 
Ed, stary junak.

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, ed Bator <edijadzia@...> wrote:

From: ed Bator <edijadzia@...>
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 6:47 PM







 









       Hold it!  The statement should be : "for USSR ...left Kresy". Just a
small adjustment.

Ed, stary junak.



--- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@sympatico. ca <kms0902@sympatico. ca> wrote:



From: kms0902@sympatico. ca <kms0902@sympatico. ca>

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains

To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:05 PM



 



Hi Junusz,



Feb 10th is the first date of deportation.



The dates shown on the list are the dates the trains left the USSR heading for
the Kresy stations.



Krystyna Szypowska



Ontario Canada



--- In Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com, "Antoni Kazimierski" <ASKAZIMIERSKI@
...> wrote:



> the database with lists of stations and destinations.



A naive and/or ignorant question: 17 Feb 1940 is considered to be the 1st day of
deportations from Kresy. But the database lists some 50+ train departures
_before_ that date, and for that matter, no departures on 17 Feb.



able and willing to provide an explanation?



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ed,

Kostopol is listed on lines 47 and 79.

The easiest way to find a name is to go to "Edit" on the top menu, select "find
on this page", and type a few letters from the name you are looking for eg
"kos". All the text with these letters will be highlighted)


Pozdrowienia

Janusz Z
syn Junaka!


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ed Bator
   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:42 PM
   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains: numbers don't add up



   I also can not find the train from Kostopol, Wolyn.Our car from Janowa Dolina
was
   attached to main train in Kostopol .

   Ed, stary junak

   --- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@... <kms0902@...> wrote:

   From: kms0902@... <kms0902@...>
   Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains: numbers don't add up
   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:18 PM



   I believe this list only covers the trains that originated in the USSR. Many
Polish trains were also commandeered for this purpose. This list does not
include them.

   Krystyna Szypowska

   Ontario Canada

   ------------ --------- ---

   Another ignorant and/or naive question...

   There are some 230 trains in the list, with on average, 1500 people on each
train. This gives around 345,000 deportees.

   Now I heard statements that, based on the number of trains and 'passengers'
per train, the real number of deportees is somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5
million. Something doesn't add up here, even if you allow for a few unlisted
trains.

   Will somebody enlighten me as to the reason for this discrepancy?

   Janusz

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Zosia,

If this has not helped do let me know and I can send you the full list of Uktym
names, which I have on a spreadsheet. You can use that to get to the individual
database entries.


Janusz Z


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Antoni Kazimierski
   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:13 PM
   Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Research---Jaszynska



   Zosiu,
   Just as an alternative way of finding things in Karta Indeks Represjonowanych;
   Go to indeks represionowanych
   Wyniki
   on l/hand side at wyszukiwanie w bazie danych
   go to opis losow
   then go to miejsce represji and enter UKTYM
   you'll see the names of all Jaszynski or Jaszynska at that place; as well as
others; there were 336 people at that posiolek.

   Good luck, but come back if not successful.

   Changing the keyboard is done via the Control panel and marking keys on top
with pencil works well. (Except black keyboard)

   Simply by pressing Alt and long Shift keys TOGETHER changes from one language
to another. I have it in Cyrillic as well; it all works fine.
   antoni530

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--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "janusz_ks" <kresy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "mysfloss" <mysfloss@> wrote:
> > Hi I would be like some help in tracking down the likely railway
> > station which my father was transpoted from.He came from the village
> > of Waniow  which is situated 7kms east from Belz and 20kms south west > of
sokal
> I note the operative word 'likely' :-)
> In this case, relying solely on the map of the area, the nearest stations on
the Krystynopol to Rawa Ruska line were Ostr�w (10 km E. of Belz), Zuzel (3km
E.) then Belz, and then Staje (11 km W. of Belz).
>
> I have no idea whether the deportees were taken from every village to the
nearest station, or whether they were grouped together with people from
neighbouring villages and taken to a larger station.  I guess the procedure
varied anyway.
>
> Janusz.
>
Thanks for that Janusz and apologies for not putting my name in full.
richard Myszka

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Kresy-Siberia
group.

   File        : /Deportation Train charts/Danutas train route to Siberia.pdf
   Uploaded by : elzuniao <elzunia@...>
   Description : Danuta, lying on the top bunk in the train wagon, could see
through the tiny window and wrote in her dairy the names of all the stations
they passed

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/files/Deportation%20Train%20charts/D\
anutas%20train%20route%20to%20Siberia.pdf

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles

Regards,

elzuniao <elzunia@...>

I think #47 is the train my mum was on. They were living in Tuczyn and were
taken to station Lubomirka. This train left from Kostopol, near by on the same
train line.



 
<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oD6KSytXxRP-DpP-ylKb1p5hVDL6SYpB_4B8N41wnmdaZ7pCLq\
zYRLpDy98iAAlz-KabH0G1x3YkI9-Z5BRl/Deportation%20Train%20charts/Danutas%20train%\
20route%20to%20Siberia.pdf> Danutas train route to Siberia.pdf
From Lubomirka to Kotlas. Danuta, lying on the top bunk in the train wagon,
could see through the tiny window at the top and wrote in her dairy the names of
all the stations they passed



pozdrowienia
Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
Alingsås, Sweden
Names: Maczka. Gradosielski.
Kresy: Osada Krechowiecka. Wilno.
Siberia: Monastyriok. Siewzeldorlag, Komi.
Army: Pestki 316 Transport. Sappers 5KDP.



   _____

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JanZ
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:59 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains: numbers don't add up





Ed,

Kostopol is listed on lines 47 and 79.

The easiest way to find a name is to go to "Edit" on the top menu, select "find
on this page", and type a few letters from the name you are looking for eg
"kos". All the text with these letters will be highlighted)

Pozdrowienia

Janusz Z
syn Junaka!

----- Original Message -----
From: ed Bator
To: Kresy-Siberia@ <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains: numbers don't add up

I also can not find the train from Kostopol, Wolyn.Our car from Janowa Dolina
was
attached to main train in Kostopol .

Ed, stary junak

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@sympatico. <mailto:kms0902%40sympatico.ca> ca
<kms0902@sympatico. <mailto:kms0902%40sympatico.ca> ca> wrote:

From: kms0902@sympatico. <mailto:kms0902%40sympatico.ca> ca <kms0902@sympatico.
<mailto:kms0902%40sympatico.ca> ca>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains: numbers don't add up
To: Kresy-Siberia@ <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:18 PM

I believe this list only covers the trains that originated in the USSR. Many
Polish trains were also commandeered for this purpose. This list does not
include them.

Krystyna Szypowska

Ontario Canada

------------ --------- ---

Another ignorant and/or naive question...

There are some 230 trains in the list, with on average, 1500 people on each
train. This gives around 345,000 deportees.

Now I heard statements that, based on the number of trains and 'passengers' per
train, the real number of deportees is somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 million.
Something doesn't add up here, even if you allow for a few unlisted trains.

Will somebody enlighten me as to the reason for this discrepancy?

Janusz

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

16.30 Polish time!

   _____

From: Aneta Hoffmann ll Fundacja Kresy - Syberia
[mailto:aneta.hoffmann@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:51 AM
To: Stefan Wisniowski (Kresy-Siberia)
Subject: rekonstrukcja historyczna deportacji - Przemysl 28.02 WAZNE - IMPORTANT



Szanowni Państwo/ Dear All,

W dniu dzisiejszym w Przemyslu o godz. 16.30 odbedzie sie widowisko historyczne
- rekonstrukcja wywozek Polakow w dniu 10 lutego 1940. Fundacja Kresy-Syberia
bedzie na zywo uczestniczyc w tych uroczystosciach.
Pragne jednak poinformowac, iz dzieki Internetowi bezposrednia transmisje ww
uroczystosci bedzie mozna obejrzec o tej samej godzinie na stronie glownego
organizatora - Centrum Kulturalnego w Przemyslu. Z uwagi na range wydarzenia i
organizatorow sadze, ze bedzie to widowisko wazne i wyjatkowe.

Oto link do transmisji :
http://ck.przemysl.pl/index.php?option=com_content
<http://ck.przemysl.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=403&Itemid=58>
&task=view&id=403&Itemid=58

Today in Przemysl on 16.30 Polish time, the historical reconstruction of 10 Feb
1940 deportations will take place. Kresy-Siberia Foundation will be present
there in place.
However I would like to inform you that thanks to Internet possibilities, on the
website of main organiser - Centrum Kulturalne in Przemysl (city cultural
centre) at the same time we will be able to see this reconstruction live. Taking
into consideration the rank of the event and organisers, I think the
reconstruction will be important and unique.

Here is a link to live transmission :
http://ck.przemysl.pl/index.php?option=com_content
<http://ck.przemysl.pl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=403&Itemid=58>
&task=view&id=403&Itemid=58

Serdecznie polecam/ Highly recommend,

Pozdrawiam serdecznie/ Best regards

Aneta Hoffmann
Fundacja Kresy-Syberia






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If you need to work out the ”start” station of your train, have a look at
the train map on the Gallery

http://kresy-siberia.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=8315



pozdrowienia
Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
Alingsås, Sweden
Names: Maczka. Gradosielski.
Kresy: Osada Krechowiecka. Wilno.
Siberia: Monastyriok. Siewzeldorlag, Komi.
Army: Pestki 316 Transport. Sappers 5KDP.



   _____

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ed Bator
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:42 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains: numbers don't add up





I also can not find the train from Kostopol, Wolyn.Our car from Janowa Dolina
was
attached to main train in Kostopol .

Ed, stary junak

--- On Sat, 2/27/10, kms0902@sympatico. <mailto:kms0902%40sympatico.ca> ca
<kms0902@sympatico. <mailto:kms0902%40sympatico.ca> ca> wrote:

From: kms0902@sympatico. <mailto:kms0902%40sympatico.ca> ca <kms0902@sympatico.
<mailto:kms0902%40sympatico.ca> ca>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains: numbers don't add up
To: Kresy-Siberia@ <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 3:18 PM



I believe this list only covers the trains that originated in the USSR. Many
Polish trains were also commandeered for this purpose. This list does not
include them.

Krystyna Szypowska

Ontario Canada

------------ --------- ---

Another ignorant and/or naive question...

There are some 230 trains in the list, with on average, 1500 people on each
train. This gives around 345,000 deportees.

Now I heard statements that, based on the number of trains and 'passengers' per
train, the real number of deportees is somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 million.
Something doesn't add up here, even if you allow for a few unlisted trains.

Will somebody enlighten me as to the reason for this discrepancy?

Janusz

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http://www.iranian.com/History/Nov97/Polish/





For the life of a child
Polish World War II refugees in Iran

By Robert D. Burgener
November 4, 1997
The Iranian

Filipina Stadnicka sat next to the hospital bed and cradled the hand of her
seven year old daughter Zofia. The sun was rising over the hospital for
Displaced Persons located northwest of Tehran in a sparsely settled area
that didn't even have a name. The doctor had told her the child was dying.

Most of the patients, former prisoners of war who ended up in Iran after the
Soviets released them in 1941, and the staff of Polish doctors and nurses
had left. It was a year now since the war had ended and those who weren't
afraid of the communists had gone back to Poland, others had left for new
lives in Mexico or any country that would take them.

Filipina, her mother and father and young daughter had stayed in Tehran
living in a single room they rented from a family on Nahid Street. Filipina
had a job teaching at the French School. She had been a teacher back home in
Poland until the summer of 1939.

Zofia was three that summer when they left for a short vacation at her
parents' home in eastern Poland near the Ukrainian border. Filipina's
husband was the police commissioner for their region in western Poland and
had no free time, so she and "Zosha" went alone. The morning they were
preparing to leave, news came that the Germans had invaded Poland and within
days they heard bombs falling near her parents' home. Not from German guns.

The Soviet Union had invaded Poland's eastern frontier. Her husband had
managed one phone call to her after the surrender to Germany. He and other
prisoners of war were being taken to a place called Katyn. She never saw her
husband again. In 1941 she and the rest of the world learned that the Soviet
army had massacred 4,000 Polish military officers and civilian officials in
Katyn forest.

She looked down at her daughter's unconscious face. So much had happened to
them. The knock on her parent's door after midnight and the Soviet secret
police giving the family one hour to gather their belongings. Being loaded
into the cattle cars of a train headed east for the steeps of Kazakstan and
the labor camps and finally Comrade Stalin's announcement in 1941 that they
were free to go home - but what home.

The trek across the Caspian to Iran with her mother and daughter , following
in the footsteps of the re-constituted Polish Army which had been sent to
Iran to guard the oil fields, had been marked with one of the few joyous
moments of the war years when they discovered that her father and brother
were alive and the family was reunited.

Now, this. Two days before, she and Zosha were crossing a street in Tehran
enroute to school when the Iranian Army truck came round the corner and
struck them. Filipina's injuries were not serious but Zosha's young body was
badly broken and the doctor said that without a new miracle drug called
penicillin, the infection that was spreading would kill her.

When Filipina arrived at Nahid street several of her Iranian neighbors had
gathered to offer condolences and help. Shoja Ashrafi, a Captain in the
Iranian cavalry, lived just up the street and he and Filipina had managed to
exchange a few words in French since she could not speak Farsi and he didn't
know Polish.

She shared the grave prognosis and the doctor's comment about the miracle
drug. It was Friday, the Moslem sabbath, and she knew it would be impossible
to find anyone at the Ministry of Health and that was the only place that
could distribute such new and scarce medications.

Returning to the hospital, she sat between her daughter's bed and the open
window. A cool evening breeze had begun to ease the stifling heat and as she
leaned closer to the window she heard the sound of horses' hooves. She
looked out to see Captain Ashrafi and his sergeant galloping toward the
hospital.

The doctor, accompanied by Captain Ashrafi, burst into Zosha's room and
announced that at last they had penicillin.

The young Captain, had rode to the health minister's home where he shared
his concerns - evidently in a most convincing way. The Minister went to his
office and removed one of only four vials of penicillin in all of Iran and
gave it to Captain Ashrafi - "for the life of a child."



Captain Ashrafi & Zofia Jozefowicz-Niedzwiecka

Zofia Jozefowicz-Niedzwiecka returned to Poland to attend university. She
went on to be a senior interpreter for the Polish Parliament involved in
many high-level exchanges between Warsaw and Tehran. She retired from the
Persian studies department of the University of Warsaw.

Captain Ashrafi and Filipina were married in Tehran and had three children
of their own. One son and a daughter are successful business executives with
American companies and another son is a justice on the New Jersey Supreme
Court. Mrs. Ashrafi died on August 1st of this year while visiting Zofie in
Warsaw.

Copyright Robert D. Burgener. Permission to reprint given to The Iranian.

For information on a documentary video on this almost-forgotten chapter of
World War II, see "Tales <http://www.iranian.com/Sponsors/WWII/index.html>
of the Persian Corridor - Bridge To Victory".





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Witajcie;

My mother and her family were taken off at Zloczow train station to  wait under
guard in the castle for assembly to contine their forced deportation.

Their nearest train station was Zarwanica.

Mom returned  to Poland from Kazakhstan in 1946.



Have recent couple pics of Zloczow castle if anyone interested to view.

Pozdrawiam serdecznie

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http://sybiracy.w.interia.pl/
http://www.gulagmuseum.org/museums/museum_71/kartochka.htm







To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
From: mysfloss@...
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:25:28 +0000
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: stations







--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "janusz_ks" <kresy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "mysfloss" <mysfloss@> wrote:
> > Hi I would be like some help in tracking down the likely railway
> > station which my father was transpoted from.He came from the village
> > of Waniow which is situated 7kms east from Belz and 20kms south west > of
sokal
> I note the operative word 'likely' :-)
> In this case, relying solely on the map of the area, the nearest stations on
the Krystynopol to Rawa Ruska line were Ostr�w (10 km E. of Belz), Zuzel (3km
E.) then Belz, and then Staje (11 km W. of Belz).
>
> I have no idea whether the deportees were taken from every village to the
nearest station, or whether they were grouped together with people from
neighbouring villages and taken to a larger station. I guess the procedure
varied anyway.
>
> Janusz.
>
Thanks for that Janusz and apologies for not putting my name in full.
richard Myszka





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Polish Passage to Iran





A forgotten story of the exodus of refugees during World War II lies buried in a
cemetery in a poor neighbourhood in south Tehran. The Doulab cemetery contains
rows of Polish graves where hundreds of refugees fleeing war-torn Europe are
buried.

Following the invasion of Poland by the Soviet and German armies in 1939,
thousands of Poles were sent off to Russian prison camps in Siberia. When Nazi
Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, Joseph Stalin freed the Polish
prisoners so that they could join a Polish army being formed by the Allies which
was to assemble in Iran. In a matter of months hundreds of thousands of these
released Polish prisoners, including women and children, were allowed to enter
Iran from Russia via the Caspian port of Anzali, then called Bandar Pahlavi.

Within weeks of their arrival in Iran, thousands had died from malnutrition and
disease. The men who survived volunteered for the new Polish army but the
remainder, mainly women and children who had nowhere else to go, remained in
Iran. Most of them eventually emigrated to other parts of the world but some
stayed and settled in Iran, where a few may be still be living.

“The Lost Requiem” by the Iranian filmmaker, Khosrow Sinai, tells the story
of the Polish exodus and the plight of these refugees in wartime Iran. Sinai
says that on a visit to Doulab cemetery in Tehran in 1970 he saw the Polish
graves and was inspired to find out more and to make a documentary about the
Polish refugees. It took him twelve years to complete the film during which he
had to track down and interview the surviving Poles in Iran and other countries
as far away as New Zealand.

In this multimedia report, Khosrow Sinai tells the moving story of the Polish
exodus to Iran and the refugees whose lives were so dramatically transformed.







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http://www.blindowl.org/Polish.html







Forgotten Chapter of History Buried in Polish Graves in Iran


Isfahan - Miasto Dzieci Polskich



Isfahan - Miasto Dzieci Polskich (Isfahan - City of Polish Chidren)

From time to time, the lone caretaker at the dreary cemetery gets a letter
from abroad asking him to light a candle at one of the hundreds of identical
headstones at the far end of the walled, unmarked graveyard.

Polish stampA forgotten chapter of World War II is buried in this Roman
Catholic cemetery in a poor neighborhood of Tehran. The occasional candles
are the only flickers of remembrance for these 1,892 Polish men, women, and
children far from home and for the calamity that befell them.

In September 1939, Hitler and Stalin pounced on Poland, dismembering it in
one of the bleakest chapters of Polish history. Stalin had tens of thousands
of Poles carted off to his prison camps, but when Hitler invaded the Soviet
Union in 1941, Stalin freed the Poles and agreed they could join a Polish
army being formed by the Allies.

That force was to assemble in Persia, the old name of modern-day Iran, which
was then under British influence. In a matter of weeks, floods of starving,
haggard Poles began trudging toward Iran, most to volunteer for the new
army, but many among them were women and children who had no place else to
go. In all, between 114,000 and 300,000 Poles are thought to have made it to
Iran.

Most eventually moved on to other parts of the world. Some stayed on in
Iran, where only about a dozen are still alive. Among them is Helena
Stelmach, 69, who lives with her Iranian husband. They have two sons in
their early 30s.

Anna Borkowska, 83 and probably the oldest of the survivors in Iran, also
married an Iranian, a police officer, and had a son. Her husband died in
1968, and their son died in 1982 at age 26. Her mother died several years
later.

Despite the decades that have passed since they were cast up on Iran's
shores, both women fit reluctantly into their present lives. They speak the
language of their childhood; Persian is uttered with thick accents and
frequent pauses to search for words. Both took the last names of their
Iranian husbands but prefer their Polish ones.

When Borkowska sits at a cheap piano in the living room to relieve the
loneliness, the words of Polish songs stir her modest home. On the stairs
outside Stelmach's flat, a pile of Polish magazines waits to be thrown out.

Both homes display photos of Iran's late Islamic leader, Khomeini, alongside
pictures of Pope John Paul II and portraits of Jesus and Mary.

A world at war had forgotten the tens of thousands of sick, starving Poles
enslaved in Stalin's forced labor camps. In the summer of 1941, startling
news began circulating among the inmates: Hitler had invaded Russia.

At a hellish prison in the thick Basharova forest of Arkhangelsk, the
Russian commandant had told the arriving prisoners that they would remain
there forever, Anna Borkowska recalls. But now, the Soviet Union was in
danger.

On a grim day like any other, as they toiled in the forest felling firs and
dragging them to the river, the commandant summoned the prisoners for
stunning announcement: They were free.

Two years earlier, weeks before Borkowska's 23rd birthday, her life had been
shattered by war and exile. She was in love with Jan, a fellow university
student she hoped to marry. She never learned what became of him and never
again walked the streets outside her Warsaw home, where they had strolled
hand-in-hand, Anna humming a new song she had learned on the piano, autumn
leaves crackling under their feet.

Stalin began emptying Poland of anyone who could resist the occupation.
First went military officers and their families, then the intelligentsia,
and last anyone with wealth, influence, or education. Borkowska's father was
a shipyard executive, and his two children, Anna and Victor, had both
finished college.

When the door-to-door arrests began, the family escaped to the home of a
poor relative in the countryside, where Anna's father died. One midnight,
weeks later, the rest of the family was picked up by the Russian secret
police, herded into locked freight trains with thousands of other deportees
and banished to Siberia.

There, only the strongest survived. Borkowska's brother, two years younger,
was not among them. He caught pneumonia and died alone in a hospital a year
before they were all set free.

"When we buried him, he had a pained expression on his face," Borkowska
says.

"It was because he died alone, without anyone around who cared," she adds,
clutching the favorite remembrance of her brother, a childhood photograph
showing the boyish Victor with an oversized violin under his chin.

With the deadly Siberian winter approaching, and afraid that orders for
their release could be revoked, swarms of exiles from all corners of Russia,
Siberia, Vorkuta, the Ural Mountains, Kolyma, Novosibirsk, and Kazakhstan
began dragging themselves toward Persia. They abandoned hard labor camps,
prisons, forests, mines - anywhere Stalin had needed slaves.

This time when they loaded into railway cars there was no despair, but
hunger, disease, and death traveled with them. Rape, murder, and theft were
other perils of the road, especially for women or children traveling alone.

On a cold day as winter approached, ten-year-old Helena Stelmach and her
mother huddled off a train in Tashkent, capital of Soviet Uzbekistan. They
joined forces with a young widow and her child in search of food and
shelter.

An old man in a shabby coffeehouse fed the ragged travelers and gave them
shelter at a vacant house. But his was not an act of kindness. He returned
that night and tried to attack the women, who fled into the icy darkness,
dragging their children behind. A kinder man gave them a place to sleep in
peace by the warmth of a furnace at his bakery.

The boats and small ships that ferried the Poles across the Caspian Sea on
the last leg of their journey were vessels of hope. But greatly overloaded
and without clean drinking water or sanitation, for some they became the
bearers of death. The murky sea bottom was the graveyard for those who began
to drop from typhoid and other diseases.

Many of the dying were children. Stelmach, whose father had been off
fighting the Germans when mother and daughter were deported to Siberia,
survived the voyage through a stroke of luck.

"The ship's captain had a son suffering from hemophilia. Mother knew
nursing, and she offered to care for the boy in return for a place in the
cabin and good food and water," Stelmach recalls. "All around us on the
boats, people were dropping like flies."

Finally, on a bitterly cold morning, the refugees began going ashore at the
Iranian port of Anzali, broken, sick, hungry, and infested with lice. There
was fresh snow on the ground the morning Gholam Abdol-Rahimi, a struggling
photographer in Anzali, emerged from bed to witness ships disgorging
disheveled refugees.

"They were in bad shape, thin, ill, and in rags," Abdol-Rahimi said in the
"Lost Requiem," a film made in 1983 by the Iranian director Khosrow Sina'i.

"A friend of mine, a carpenter, used to make boxes (coffins) for them. About
50 were dying every day."

Abdol-Rahimi's photographs are perhaps the most complete account of the
catastrophe. But his work was never recognized or published. He died at age
83, recalling until the end, his friends say, the morning he woke to find
the refugee ships in port.

In all, 2,806 refugees died within a few months of arriving and were buried
in cemeteries around Iran. Their alien names and the dates on their
tombstones chronicle a calamity, even to a visitor without knowledge of
their history. Etched on row after row of identical tombstones is a single
year of death: 1942

The majority of the arrivals - men, women and children as young as 14 -
signed up for the new Polish army led by Gen. Wladyslaw Anders, which
compiled a distinguished combat record fighting alongside the British,
Americans, and other Allies. For the rest, new lives began with a bus
journey to refugee camps in Tehran, Isfahan, and several other cities.

"The friendly Persian people crowded round the buses shouting what must have
been words of welcome and pushed gifts of dates, nuts, roasted peas with
raisins, and juicy pomegranates through the open windows," wrote Krystyna
Skwarko, a schoolteacher who came with her own two sick children to take
charge of a growing orphanage in Isfahan.

Skwarko's book, "The Invited," recounts the journey from Anzali, then
through Persia and on to New Zealand, where she and 700 orphans were
eventually resettled. She died in 1995.

More than 13,000 of the arrivals were children, many orphans whose parents
had died on the way. In Russia, starving mothers had pushed their children
onto passing trains to Iran in hopes of saving them. Skwarko's impossible
task was to wipe the scars of war from children who had been robbed of their
childhood.

"I can never erase from memory the sight of an emaciated 14-year-old girl,
standing apart from a newly arrived group, holding a tiny sister tightly in
her arms. The smaller so thin that the skin of her arms and legs hung
loosely, as on an old man," Skwarko wrote. "The older girl, Irenka Wozniak,
whispered as I went up to her: 'I could manage to save only little Ewunia.'"

But amid the heart-rending tales, there are happier accounts of parents who
were reunited with their children. Jewish orphans were cared for by a Jewish
organization in Iran and later sent to Israel. Others went on to new lives
in the United States, Britain, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, and
elsewhere.

Few residents of Ahvaz in southwestern Iran remember how the downtown
neighborhood known as Campulu got its name. It was once "Camp Polonia," one
of several camps built for the refugees in cities around Iran.

Like Campulu, most signs of the Polish journey have faded. Boarding houses,
hospitals, schools, and orphanages built with Allied funds were used by the
refugees for two years, but nothing remains to indicate their past.

The laughter, music and cigarette smoke of the Polonia bar and restaurant in
downtown Tehran, where Allied servicemen mingled with Polish girls, is a
distant memory, like the bright neon "Polonia" sign that once beckoned
clients. The basement bar became a chocolate factory, and then the print
shop it is today.

< their advertise to scarves the adopted prostitutes refugees; among common
were typhus of treatment heads Shaved Sina?i. maker film according
headscarves, red bright with clients attracted once Polish Polonia, old far
not Embassy, British>

Photographs of the time show smartly dressed Polish women in long skirts
working as office secretaries, peering through microscopes in laboratories
or working as nurses.

"Polish maids were sought by well-to-do Iranian ladies who wanted to learn
makeup and Western fashions from their servants, who often had better
backgrounds and education than the employers themselves," said Sina'i, who
was born the year before the influx.

Many nights, Polish musicians organized soirees to raise money for fellow
refugees. Theater and dance entertained those who could afford it. Even the
poorest could revel in forgotten pleasures like clean beds, warmth,
plentiful food, and enough room to stretch the legs at night.

Sina'i's "Lost Requiem" captures some of the spirit of those times. But like
its name, the film itself is lost, never promoted and today thought to be
collecting dust somewhere in the vaults of Iran's state television.

Occasionally, letters arrive from abroad at the Polish Embassy in Tehran,
inquiring about a dead parent or other kin buried at one of the graveyards.
The embassy sends back photographs of the cemetery and grave.

The letters to the embassy, or to the cemetery itself, come from Britain,
New Zealand, the United States, wherever the Polish refugees who passed
through Iran, have settled. Last year, a woman who had passed through Iran
as a child came to visit her mother's grave.

The dozen or so Polish survivors still living in Iran are not close. They
would rather forget the tragedy that binds them. Occasionally, they get
together for Christmas at the embassy or at rare reunions. Once they are
gone, the grim cemeteries will remain the only footprints through Iran of
the Poles' sad, forgotten journey.

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Endnote:

* The Polish Postal Service has commemorated the role Isfahan played
during World War II in caring for Polish orphans.

The new stamp, "Isfahan - the City of Polish Children", went on sale in June
2008. It depicts a pupil at school No. 15 near Isfahan (Stanislaw
Stojakowski), standing in front of a Persian carpet woven at the city's
Carpet School in 1944.

In 1942, Isfahan housed thousands of Polish orphans released from the Soviet
work camps of Siberia and Kazakhstan. At the peak, twenty one areas of the
city were exclusively allocated to the welfare of the ragged and emaciated
orphans who had been sent there from reception centers in Anzali, Tehran,
and Mashhad. Many of them remained in the city for up to three years,
earning it the title "City of Polish Children", the name which also appears
(in Polish) on the stamp's First Day Commemorative Cover. In Addition, the
cover sports a design showing hundreds of the Polish names fading illegibly
into oblivion.

Between 1942 and 1945, Iran played host to almost 150,000 men, women, and
children of the "Polish Exodus from Russia". The majority of the children
ended up in Isfahan.

The stamp, issued on the 10th of June 2008, has a face value of 2 zloty 40
groszy, and is already proving extremely popular with the Polish public.





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DULAB CEMETERY IN TEHRAN

Meydane Shohada, Khiabane Pirouzi, Chaharrahe Shokofeh, Chaharrahe Sheyda,
Khiabane Ahmad Reza Tajeri no 284

  آدرس گورستان لهستاني در تهران

ميدان شهدا، خيابان  پيروزی ، چهارراه شکوفه،
چهارراه شيدا، خيابان احمد رضا تاجری شماره 284

CEMETERY IN MASHHAD

Ave. Amel, Gabrestan Arameneh

  آدرس قبرستان لهستاني در مشهد

خيابان عامل آرامگاه لهستانيها در مشهد



CEMETERY IN ESFAHAN

Se Rahe Khiabane Nezami, Nareside be Bimarestane  Alzahra

  آدرس گورستان لهستاني دراصفهان

بطرف سه را ه خيابان نظامی ،نرسيده  به
بيمارستان الزهرا  - آرامگاه لهستانيها در
اصفهان



CEMETERY IN BANDAR-E ANZALI

Mantaghe Akhar Khar

Vis a Vis Golzare Shohada

Janbe Gabrestane Aramaneh

آدرس گورستان لهستاني در بندر انزلی

منطقه آخر خط، جهان گانی، روبروی گلزار
شهدا،جنب قبرشتان ارامنه



CEMETERY IN AHVAZ

Markaze  Shahr ,

Meydane Bar Frousha  Sabegh

Janbe  Sazmane Bargh, Gabrestane Massiyiha

آدرس گورستان لهستاني در مشهد

مرکز شهر، ميدان بارفروشا سابق ، جنب سازمان
برق ،

قبرشتان مسيح ها





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Lucynko witaj;

would you happen to know if we strill keep in contact with the survivors
currently still living in Iran?

Pozdrawiam serdecznie

Krystyna Styrna
http://sybiracy.w.interia.pl/
http://www.gulagmuseum.org/museums/museum_71/kartochka.htm
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82a_L%C4%85decka







To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
From: lucynaartymiuk@...
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 01:18:17 +1100
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] The addresses of Polish cemeteries in Iran









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DULAB CEMETERY IN TEHRAN

Meydane Shohada, Khiabane Pirouzi, Chaharrahe Shokofeh, Chaharrahe Sheyda,
Khiabane Ahmad Reza Tajeri no 284

آدرس گورستان لهستاني در تهران

ميدان شهدا، خيابان پيروزی ، چهارراه شکوفه،
چهارراه شيدا، خيابان احمد رضا تاجری شماره 284

CEMETERY IN MASHHAD

Ave. Amel, Gabrestan Arameneh

آدرس قبرستان لهستاني در مشهد

خيابان عامل آرامگاه لهستانيها در مشهد



CEMETERY IN ESFAHAN

Se Rahe Khiabane Nezami, Nareside be Bimarestane Alzahra

آدرس گورستان لهستاني دراصفهان

بطرف سه را ه خيابان نظامی ،نرسيده به
بيمارستان الزهرا - آرامگاه لهستانيها در
اصفهان



CEMETERY IN BANDAR-E ANZALI

Mantaghe Akhar Khar

Vis a Vis Golzare Shohada

Janbe Gabrestane Aramaneh

آدرس گورستان لهستاني در بندر انزلی

منطقه آخر خط، جهان گانی، روبروی گلزار
شهدا،جنب قبرشتان ارامنه



CEMETERY IN AHVAZ

Markaze Shahr ,

Meydane Bar Frousha Sabegh

Janbe Sazmane Bargh, Gabrestane Massiyiha

آدرس گورستان لهستاني در مشهد

مرکز شهر، ميدان بارفروشا سابق ، جنب سازمان
برق ،

قبرشتان مسيح ها




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Dunno



But I read somewhere that the Polish embassy does



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Lucynko witaj;

would you happen to know if we strill keep in contact with the survivors
currently still living in Iran?

Pozdrawiam serdecznie

Krystyna Styrna
http://sybiracy. <http://sybiracy.w.interia.pl/> w.interia.pl/
http://www.gulagmus <http://www.gulagmuseum.org/museums/museum_71/kartochka.htm>
eum.org/museums/museum_71/kartochka.htm
http://pl.wikipedia <http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82a_L%C4%85decka>
.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82a_L%C4%85decka







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DULAB CEMETERY IN TEHRAN

Meydane Shohada, Khiabane Pirouzi, Chaharrahe Shokofeh, Chaharrahe Sheyda,
Khiabane Ahmad Reza Tajeri no 284

آدرس گورستان لهستاني در تهران

ميدان شهدا، خيابان پيروزی ، چهارراه شکوفه،
چهارراه شيدا، خيابان احمد رضا تاجری شماره 284

CEMETERY IN MASHHAD

Ave. Amel, Gabrestan Arameneh

آدرس قبرستان لهستاني در مشهد

خيابان عامل آرامگاه لهستانيها در مشهد



CEMETERY IN ESFAHAN

Se Rahe Khiabane Nezami, Nareside be Bimarestane Alzahra

آدرس گورستان لهستاني دراصفهان

بطرف سه را ه خيابان نظامی ،نرسيده به
بيمارستان الزهرا - آرامگاه لهستانيها در
اصفهان



CEMETERY IN BANDAR-E ANZALI

Mantaghe Akhar Khar

Vis a Vis Golzare Shohada

Janbe Gabrestane Aramaneh

آدرس گورستان لهستاني در بندر انزلی

منطقه آخر خط، جهان گانی، روبروی گلزار
شهدا،جنب قبرشتان ارامنه



CEMETERY IN AHVAZ

Markaze Shahr ,

Meydane Bar Frousha Sabegh

Janbe Sazmane Bargh, Gabrestane Massiyiha

آدرس گورستان لهستاني در مشهد

مرکز شهر، ميدان بارفروشا سابق ، جنب سازمان
برق ،

قبرشتان مسيح ها




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hmmmmm





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKNg6eBhho





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I agree, Lucyna: Hmmmmm.....
The images are interesting, but the propaganda voice-over that speaks of the
"courageous three-year march" of the Polish families to Iran describes it as
fleeing from the invading Nazis while totally hiding that they were in fact
victims of the Soviet gulags - as is noted by the poster and in the comments.
At least the clip uses the map of Poland with 1939 boundaries intact. It looks
as though the producers were not yet aware that Churchill and Roosevelt were
plotting with Stalin to give him the part of Poland that he had invaded and
occupied as Hitler's henchman.
Thanks for the link.

John Halucha
Sault Ste Marie, Canada




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Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 9:00:49 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Polish refugees In Iran | A forgotten chapter of World
War II


hmmmmm

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MuKNg6eBhho


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http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/veterans/bargielowski.html







Jakub Bargielowski D.F.C. Fighter Pilot 315 Squadron (Polish)

Kuba portrait
Jakub Bargielowski D.F.C.

Jakub Bargielowski is known as either Kuba (the diminutive form of the name)
to his Polish friends and relatives or as John by his friends in Australia.

Kuba was born on the 25th of July 1921 in a place called Garbow near Lublin.
Garbow is situated about 20 kilometres from Lublin on the main highway from
Lublin to Warsaw.

Kuba attended the local school, which consisted of only one room. Four years
later his father sent him to a cousin in Deblin, where he continued his
education to the completion of Primary school. Deblin was a base for the
Polish Air Force Officer's Training School. He often saw aircraft flying
about and took great interest in them.

In the spring of 1937, Kuba applied to the Air Force Cadet School in
Bydgoszcz. He was eventually called to Warsaw, to the Central Medical
Establishment and then to Bydgoszcz for the entry examination, which he
passed. Later he was selected for the NCO pilot's course. At the end of
spring, 1938 he went with the first squadron on the gliding course to
Ustianova. Flying was carried out on a glider of very simple construction
called the "Crow". At the end of the course in Ustianova the course returned
to Swiecie, from where they were posted to a place called Sobiejuchy near
Znin. There they started their training on single engined aircraft, the
R.W.D. 8.

Kuba tells the story of when he went home on his first leave. His dear Mum
found out he was training to be a pilot and gave him some sound advice.
"Remember son, always fly slow and low and nothing will happen to you." Not
knowing anything about flying, she was certain that her advice was the best
in the world.

315 squadron painting

In Autumn 1938 he moved to flying aerobatic aircraft at Krosno. In late
Spring 1939 he was posted to Ulez on the six week advanced pilot's course.
At the end of the Ulez course there was the opportunity to go to Deblin to
do the fighter pilot's course. The base commander asked who wished to become
a fighter pilot and who wanted to be on bombers. Those who wanted to be in
fighters were split in to pairs and required to undertake a flying test,
performing a series of manoeuvres whilst being observed from the ground. The
second part of the contest was to shoot down, with a camera gun, paper
parachutes, which were thrown at varying heights. The trainee was required
to attack it from different angles. With the results analysed, Kuba was
found t be the best of the trainees and was assured of place in the fighter
pilot's course.

Kuba was there as war erupted and on the 6th of September the Germans bombed
the airfield. On the 8th, the Cadets were formed up for a long march and
went south-east towards a rendezvous with transport that would take them
into Romania. After the first day, the main roads were so choked with
refugee traffic they moved to smaller roads and travelled at night. They
made good progress until they reached a Polish strong point at Wlodzimeirz
Wolynski, Officer Cadet School of Artillery where their infantry training
was put to use. The School was being attacked by the Germans. The cadets
witnessed one of the last cavalry charges of the war where the Polish
Cavalry destroy German infantry which had been deprived of armour support.
Prior to the assault being renewed, the cadets were ordered out of the area.

A couple of days later on the 18th of September, the group were near Dubno
and noted armoured cars and heavy lorries which had red stars painted on
them. Captured!! All the boys were unhappy about it as they felt that the
Russians had betrayed them. Held in the Polish Army barracks there, their
number swelled every day as more Polish servicemen were captured. All the
officers were separated and taken away. On the 26th of September, the
soldiers and airmen in the barracks were loaded into cattle wagons and
transported into modern day Bellarus. It was here that he unsuccessfully
tried to escape.



On the 1st of October he was at a transit point in Novograd and on the 20th,
Kuba was one of about a thousand people moved to the Black Sea where they
spent the winter at hard labour in a quarry. Kuba made pans to escape when
the weather warmed up in May 1940 they were again loaded into cattle trucks
and taken to another quarry the far North. After refusing to sign documents
in Russian and English that stated that because the men were there
voluntarily, they did not want the Americans to pay the Russians upkeep of
one dollar per man per day. The Russians were very angry and the NKVD came
in to begin interrogation. On the 22nd of May 1940, Kuba and his group of
about three hundred prisoners were taken from their usual quarry to another,
where they were formed into four lines told to raise their arms and forced
to kneel on the ice.

A little distance from the men were some tarpaulins. When they were lifted
they saw a number of machine-guns with soldiers manning them, ready to fire.
They waited on the ice, kneeling with their arms raised, waiting to die.
When some people could no longer hold their hand up or kneel without swaying
, they were encouraged with the aid of a bayonet to correct their position.

Above them, on the top of the fifty-metre escarpment stood an officer and
next to him was a soldier carrying a portable radio with a battery the size
fitted to a car. During the night, there was a heavy snowfall. The men
sensed the Russians were having troubles with their communications system
and were awaiting further orders. they were on the ice from 7pm till about
5am the following morning. Everyone was praying but Kuba did not believe
that this was the end. He believed that they only wanted to scare the men
because we did not work hard enough.

The shift they were supposed to relieve was still working and one of the
workers left his place of work to relieve himself and saw them all kneeling
on the ice as by now there was enough light to see. He returned to his
workmates and told them what he had seen. The entire shift picked up their
tools, ran to high ground and began to shout and wave their tools in a
threatening manner. The NKVD Officer in charge realising that what was
planned for us would not remain secret, gave the order for the men to return
to the camp.

On returning to the camp, they were given a small piece of bread. Then they
were ordered to assemble, with all their belongings for another inspection
and search. Kuba had a small pocket knife which he hid in his piece of bread
and did not lose it.

bargilowski cadet 2 1938 small

The Russians then led them to the railway station where they were loaded
into cattle trucks. In the middle of the floor of each truck was a pipe with
a metal funnel, the Russian version of a luxury toilet. Each truck carried
about forty people. There was just enough room to breathe. They travelled
for a week in these conditions to a camp even further north, called Kotlas.
Three or four days later as part of a column one thousand strong Kuba was
marched out to a place called 24 Lagpunkt-Chobju Uchta, near the River
Pieczara, where the men would have to cut down trees and build themselves a
camp. Oil had been discovered there, which was the reason for the activity.

At this point Kuba became very sick with a blindness and he was moved to
Camp 13 (Termination). The blindness developed in paralysis and muscular
spasm. Kuba was waiting to die. After some time one of the other prisoners
brought in some pine branches, stripped the needles off and boiled them up
in a billy can. Reluctantly he drank the vile concoction and began to
recover and soon was able to get up and walk around.

On the 8th of October 1940, the men were moved to 9 Lagpunkt near a place
called Chyria Woryk, where they worked a sawmill, cut down trees and built a
railway line. It was here that Kuba experienced the lowest temperature of
his entire life. It was -64C.

In June 1941 he was transferred back south. At this time the British plan to
get the Polish Armed Forces out of Russian was beginning to take effect. As
pilots were in great need in England, they were separated out and one
hundred and sixty-four of them were railed to Arkangelsk before being put on
a returning steamer and sent to England. When the y made it to the ship in
late August, they were all overjoyed to have been released from Russian
slavery.

Kuba reached England in mid-October 1941. They were sent to Hucknall for
quarantine and medical check-ups. ON the 21st of February 1942, Kuba was
posted to St. Andrews for the basic airman's course, which he competed in
June. From there he was posted to back to Hucknall to do basic flying
training again and from there he was transferred to 25 (P) EFTS at Newton.
ON the 17th of January 1943, Kuba was awarded his pilot's wings and was
promoted to Sergeant.



From there he went to 41 OTU at Hawarden near Chester towing targets and
from there to 61 OTU at Rednal at the end of August. He was at Rednal doing
air gunnery until the 28th of December.

315 squadron ops map

Then he was posted into 315 Squadron at Heston onto Spitfires. He, Mike
Gorzula and Kaz Kijak were now flying together although they were not in the
same social group. Kaz was married and would go to see his wife and son at
every opportunity while Kuba was popular with the ladies.

At 315, Kuba flew the MkVb Spitfire on eight missions before the squadron
changed over to Mustang IIIs. On his first mission the engine began to run
rough at altitude and, very disappointed and worried about being thought a
coward, he turned back. At lower altitudes the engine came back on song but
he returned anyway. It turned out to be another case of a defective
supercharger and the aircraft was sent back for repairs.

In late March 1944 315 Squadron flew to Llanbedr in Wales for gunnery
practice. It was here that Kuba's skill behind the trigger became apparent.

Just prior to D-Day, whilst over France at 32,000 feet, on a fighter sweep,
enemy aircraft were spotted below. Kuba dropped into a very steep power
dive. He remembers that eh aircraft quickly became uncontrollable and with a
loud crack, the canopy blew off! Kuba immediately backed off the throttle
and eventually regained control. By this time he was down at 17,000 feet and
had recognised the enemy aircraft as Spitfires. With no combat to engage in,
the Mustangs levelled off and set course for home.

On the 7th of June, after a dive bombing mission, Kuba and his comrades
climbed for height. Kuba was a little higher and behind his comrades and on
emerging into a clear space between cloud layers, Kuba found himself in the
midst of a formation of Me109s. He was above and behind the leader, gaining
on him. Kuba immediately cut power in an effort to get in behind him and at
that moment the German saw him and winged over to port, to escape. At the
same time, the German number 3 also winged over, but to starboard. In an
ugly scene, the two collided and fell to earth. Kuba jerked his stick back
and rammed the throttle forwards to avoid them and climbed into clear air at
17,000ft. Disoriented and rather shaken by what he had seen and his narrow
escape, he slowly spiralled up to 18,000 whilst calling Fighter Control for
a course to steer home. Then, routinely looking in the rear view mirror, he
was shocked to find the rest of the German staffel filling it, preparing to
fire. He automatically, pushed over into a steep dive and then added a
little sideslip. A second later tracer and cannon rounds streamed past to
starboard. Further side slipping at judicious moments foiled two other
attacks and eventually the Germans gave up. Kuba's claim for two was denied
by the squadron's Intelligence Officer as they had not been shot down, a
decision which caused some ill feeling in the squadron.

fotokarabin 026 web          fotokarabin 032 web
Top left: Film Bojowy(Combat) No. 2599 2 T.A.F. Fl/Sgt. Bargielowski 315
Dyon (Squadron) 12-06-1944 Atakowanie (Attacking) Fw. 190.
Right: Film Bojowy (Combat) No. 7775 ADGB. Fl/Sgt. Bargielowski 315 Dyon
(Squadron) 18-07-1944 Mustang. Atakowanie Latajagej Bomby (Attacking flying
bomb - V1)

On the 12th of June, Kuba was part of a section of four aircraft flying to
dive-bomb a target in France. Over Seese, the squadron leader called that he
had spotted several FW190s below. Every one dropped their bombs and dove
down to attack. Kuba noticed that his port wing was heavy and found that the
bomb had not dropped from its rack. Following procedure, he briefly fired
his guns to jar it loose. The firing had dropped him slightly behind the
others and he found himself in behind him at full throttle and closing to
firing range. The German spotted him and peeled away to port. Kuba was too
close and too fast to stay with him and the German whipped around and was on
his tail. Kuba thought he was in real trouble. Pulling with all his
strength, the stick in his lap and banking vertically, Kuba knew he could
not out-turn the Fw190 on his tail. With nothing for it, he pulled ten
degrees of flap and he found himself again on the tail of the German. He
opened fire and shot him down.

P51 FW190
315 Squadron attacking Fw190.

A few moments later he saw a Mustang chasing an Fw190. They were vertical
and Kuba sense the German was going to loop or maybe do an Immelmann turn.
As the German's belly came uppermost, Kuba pounced on him from in front and
began firing. The German was good. He was upside down, in a loop and a
number of his bullets went through the arc of Kuba's propeller. Kuba dived
under him at a distance of four or five metres and could see the German was
on fire. He vanished into the trees below and died.

At about the same time that Rommel was straffed and injured, Kuba attacked a
limousine and escort in the same area. He was convinced that it was he that
had shot Rommel up.
During July and August 315 did many anti-Diver patrols against the V1
flying-bombs being sent over from France. Kuba watched and analysed the
attacks he witnessed and decided that he would only attack from behind. He
got three chances to do this and knocked each one down.

Kuba flew in the Battle of Beauvais on the 18th of August. In a whirl of
banking and firing, Kuba claimed nine and one possible. A couple of weeks
later the area was liberated. The number of wrecks discovered tallies with
the total kills claimed, including Kuba's nine.

The next few months were mainly spent doing long-range daylight bomber
escort missions. He flew escort on the aircraft carrying paratroopers to
Operation Market Garden at Arnhem and Nijmegen in Holland. On his last
patrol over the area, there was an unidentified yellow Spitfire flying,
criss-crossing the area.

(3) 315 escort Beaufighter
315 Squadron escorting Beaufighters (A.R.Society archive)

On the 1st of November 1944, 315 Squadron was posted to Peterhead in
Scotland where they flew escort for Beaufighters and Mosquitoes doing
anti-shipping strikes along the coast of Norway. These flights lasted
between five and six hours. The flights to Norway, via Sumburgh Island were
at fifty feet to keep under the German radar. Flying that low was stressful.
On the 7th of December on a mission to Gossen Island, Kuba's section (he was
number 2) were flying through broken cloud when an Me 109 infiltrated the
formation and shot down the section leader. Kuba witnessed this and diving
hard, angrily chased the attacker. Firing short bursts that did not seem to
have any effect, they neared the sea. The Me109 made to pull up hard and
Kuba anticipating this, pulled up a little earlier. The 109 came squarely
into his sights and he hit it with a good burst. The Me109 disintegrated and
fell into the sea. Meanwhile Kuba was himself pulling very hard on the stick
to avoid bellying into the water. He blacked out for a moment and came to he
was climbing steeply going through 4,000 feet. He eased back to level, went
back to coarse pitch and throttled back, could see no-one, and the radio was
out so turned south-west and settled back for the long trip home. In that
action, 315 Squadron, even though the squadron wasn't there in full
strength, shot down six Me109s and two probables.

On the 28th of December, saw another mission to Norway. Cloud cover was
total and in layers. The Mosquitoes dropped through a hole in the clouds
down to sea level. Kuba was the last of the escort and he delayed before
dropping through. Just then many Me109s materialised out of the cloud with
Kuba amongst them. He radioed the situation and lined up on the one in front
of him. Before he could fire, the engine of the Me109 exploded and the
aircraft fell into the sea.

bargieowski smalll

On the 3rd of April 1945, Kuba was awarded the Distinguished Flying Medal
and then taken off operations. He appreciated that as his nerves were
getting rather strained.

Kuba was credited with five and a half kills and three V1s.

At the end of the war, until disbandment of the Polish Air Force in 1946, he
served in 303 Squadron.

Because of unfriendly conditions in Poland he could not return to the land
he loved and missed for his whole life.

In 1948 he emigrated to Australia. On arrival he worked on the New South
Wales Railways, at one point working as an engine cleaner, then as a
technician in the Post Master General's Department.

Kuba opal mining at White Cliffs web
Kuba mining for Opals

After a year he bought a truck with a friend and moved to Coober Pedy in
South Australia and began mining and polishing opal. He would spend the
cooler months in the opal fields and then take his raw opals back to his
house in Sydney where he would cut and polish them. After some time, Kuba
moved his digging to the town of White Cliffs in far northern New South
Wales. He also bought raw opal from other miners, returning home as the
weather warmed up to cut polish and sell. He sold the opals all over the
world.

Kuba at White Cliffs web
Kuba at White Cliffs

In 1960 for the first time since the end of the war, he visited Poland. Kuba
officially retired in 1964 but every season until the early 1990s would
travel to White Cliffs.

He married briefly in the late 1950s but divorced soon after. He has no
children.

Kuba was very proud of his military service. He instituted ANZAC Day
services at White Cliff in the early 1960s and arranged for a cairn to be
built, commemorating servicemen and women.



Since about 2005, Kuba has been affected by the onset of dementia. He is
currently living a pleasant life in a good nursing home in Sydney Australia.

Article researched and written for the Aircrew Remembrance Society by Alan
Scheckenbach of Canberra, Australia.
Kuba Bargielowski 4 December 2009 web





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KRYSIU, ANTONI and ALL:

When we first discussed the deportation train lists quite a while ago, I was
able to narrow down the train we were deported on to Antonowka, Sarny (#26) with
the "departure date" of Feb 1st, 1940 since the only other trains (two) which
left from Sarny had a much later "departure date" (April).  Yet to this day, I
cannot reconcile the “arrival station” listed as Morzenga with what I know.
Though the disclaimer is that even names of stations can vary but are near 
enough, the distance between stations listed in this case, seems to preclude
that.

A few weeks after we left Sarny, we arrived at the very last functional station
which was Szabrycha (Polish spelling), and I have the name of that station from
several Sybiraks including Romanko’s memoirs
(http://www.romanko.net/book/ch4.htm).  Our eventual destination was Posiolek
Darovatka and/or Poldnevitsa, reached by sleigh from the station.  Before we
were released on “amnesty” almost two years later, tracks had been laid from
Darovatka to Poldnevitsa by those interred.

But my question is:  what possible explanation could there be for Morzenga being
listed in place of Szabrycha as the  “arrival station”?  There’s no
question that Szabrycha existed in 1940 yet even our K-S Walking Encyclopedia,
Antoni, was not familiar with it as I recall and I don’t see it on any of the
lists.  Morzenga, according to the memoirs in "Halina’s War" 
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/19/a6774519.shtml) which I just
read, is 200km north of Vologda and even further west of Szabrycha train station
and those posiolkis.  One explanation would be that the train dropped off some
deportees then reversed its way and headed southeast to the last train station
where we were deposited.  Even if so, why wouldn’t Szabrycha then be listed as
the final destination?  Yet there is no mention of that station that I can find
despite the fact that there were quite a few deportees in both those posiolkis.

Your explanation, Krysiu, that the date shown is the one on which the train left
the USSR for Kresy, would logically explain the difference between that
"departure date" of February 1st and the actual deportation date of February 10,
1940.  My suggestion would be to add "from USSR" to the "Departure Date" heading
on those lists because one wonders, when quickly glancing at the lists, why a
train would be left at a station for 10 days amid rumors of dispossession
without some kind of fallout.

BOZENA �" Florida, USA

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, <kms0902@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Junusz,
>
> Feb 10th is the first date of deportation.
>
> The dates shown on the list are the dates the trains left the USSR heading for
the Kresy stations.
>
> Krystyna Szypowska
> Ontario Canada
>
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Antoni Kazimierski" <ASKAZIMIERSKI@>
wrote:
> > the database with lists of stations and destinations.
>
> A naive and/or ignorant question: 17 Feb 1940 is considered to be the 1st day
of deportations from Kresy. But the database lists some 50+ train departures
_before_ that date, and for that matter, no departures on 17 Feb.
> able and willing to provide an explanation?
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

During the war, many trains and tracks were damaged. Rarely did they operate
as scheduled. There are many citations regarding this in NOBLE FLIGHT.
Chris Gniewosz
Portland Oregon

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2:10 PM, tinijoroga <tinijoroga@...> wrote:

>
>
> KRYSIU, ANTONI and ALL:
>
> When we first discussed the deportation train lists quite a while ago, I
> was able to narrow down the train we were deported on to Antonowka, Sarny
> (#26) with the "departure date" of Feb 1st, 1940 since the only other trains
> (two) which left from Sarny had a much later "departure date" (April). Yet
> to this day, I cannot reconcile the “arrival station� listed as Morzenga
> with what I know. Though the disclaimer is that even names of stations can
> vary but are near enough, the distance between stations listed in this case,
> seems to preclude that.
>
> A few weeks after we left Sarny, we arrived at the very last functional
> station which was Szabrycha (Polish spelling), and I have the name of that
> station from several Sybiraks including Romanko’s memoirs (
> http://www.romanko.net/book/ch4.htm). Our eventual destination was
> Posiolek Darovatka and/or Poldnevitsa, reached by sleigh from the station.
> Before we were released on “amnesty� almost two years later, tracks had
> been laid from Darovatka to Poldnevitsa by those interred.
>
> But my question is: what possible explanation could there be for Morzenga
> being listed in place of Szabrycha as the “arrival station� ? There’s
> no question that Szabrycha existed in 1940 yet even our K-S Walking
> Encyclopedia, Antoni, was not familiar with it as I recall and I don’t see
> it on any of the lists. Morzenga, according to the memoirs in "Halina’s
> War" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/19/a6774519.shtml) which
> I just read, is 200km north of Vologda and even further west of Szabrycha
> train station and those posiolkis. One explanation would be that the train
> dropped off some deportees then reversed its way and headed southeast to the
> last train station where we were deposited. Even if so, why wouldn’t
> Szabrycha then be listed as the final destination? Yet there is no mention
> of that station that I can find despite the fact that there were quite a few
> deportees in both those posiolkis.
>
> Your explanation, Krysiu, that the date shown is the one on which the train
> left the USSR for Kresy, would logically explain the difference between that
> "departure date" of February 1st and the actual deportation date of February
> 10, 1940. My suggestion would be to add "from USSR" to the "Departure Date"
> heading on those lists because one wonders, when quickly glancing at the
> lists, why a train would be left at a station for 10 days amid rumors of
> dispossession without some kind of fallout.
>
> BOZENA �" Florida, USA
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>,
> <kms0902@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Junusz,
> >
> > Feb 10th is the first date of deportation.
> >
> > The dates shown on the list are the dates the trains left the USSR
> heading for the Kresy stations.
> >
> > Krystyna Szypowska
> > Ontario Canada
> >
> >
> > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com <Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Antoni Kazimierski" <ASKAZIMIERSKI@> wrote:
> > > the database with lists of stations and destinations.
> >
> > A naive and/or ignorant question: 17 Feb 1940 is considered to be the 1st
> day of deportations from Kresy. But the database lists some 50+ train
> departures _before_ that date, and for that matter, no departures on 17 Feb.
> > able and willing to provide an explanation?
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Hello Bozena
 
I was looking at the deportation trains, and I see a problem for me.  My father
was captured by the russians, and deported to siberia, archangielsk, camp name
jekodim.  I am wonmdering if there waere special trains for captured soldiers,
as it would not make much sense for russians to lrelease soldiers and let them
go back to their homes before deporting them.  I sent an email to Antomi,
askint if there was any info on that problem.  Your story sounds right, as my
cousins were also taken away.
 
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Rysiek

--- On Sun, 2/28/10, tinijoroga <tinijoroga@...> wrote:


From: tinijoroga <tinijoroga@...>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Deportation trains
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 5:10 PM


 



KRYSIU, ANTONI and ALL:

When we first discussed the deportation train lists quite a while ago, I was
able to narrow down the train we were deported on to Antonowka, Sarny (#26) with
the "departure date" of Feb 1st, 1940 since the only other trains (two) which
left from Sarny had a much later "departure date" (April). Yet to this day, I
cannot reconcile the “arrival station� listed as Morzenga with what
I know. Though the disclaimer is that even names of stations can vary but are
near enough, the distance between stations listed in this case, seems to
preclude that.

A few weeks after we left Sarny, we arrived at the very last functional station
which was Szabrycha (Polish spelling), and I have the name of that station from
several Sybiraks including Romanko’s memoirs (http://www.romanko.
net/book/ ch4.htm). Our eventual destination was Posiolek Darovatka and/or
Poldnevitsa, reached by sleigh from the station. Before we were released on
“amnesty� almost two years later, tracks had been laid from
Darovatka to Poldnevitsa by those interred.

But my question is: what possible explanation could there be for Morzenga being
listed in place of Szabrycha as the “arrival station�?
There’s no question that Szabrycha existed in 1940 yet even our K-S
Walking Encyclopedia, Antoni, was not familiar with it as I recall and I
don’t see it on any of the lists. Morzenga, according to the memoirs in
"Halina’s War" (http://www.bbc. co.uk/ww2peoples war/stories/
19/a6774519. shtml) which I just read, is 200km north of Vologda and even
further west of Szabrycha train station and those posiolkis. One explanation
would be that the train dropped off some deportees then reversed its way and
headed southeast to the last train station where we were deposited. Even if so,
why wouldn’t Szabrycha then be listed as the final destination? Yet there
is no mention of that station that I can find despite the fact that there were
quite a few deportees in both those posiolkis.

Your explanation, Krysiu, that the date shown is the one on which the train left
the USSR for Kresy, would logically explain the difference between that
"departure date" of February 1st and the actual deportation date of February 10,
1940. My suggestion would be to add "from USSR" to the "Departure Date" heading
on those lists because one wonders, when quickly glancing at the lists, why a
train would be left at a station for 10 days amid rumors of dispossession
without some kind of fallout.

BOZENA â€" Florida, USA

--- In Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com, <kms0902@... > wrote:
>
> Hi Junusz,
>
> Feb 10th is the first date of deportation.
>
> The dates shown on the list are the dates the trains left the USSR heading for
the Kresy stations.
>
> Krystyna Szypowska
> Ontario Canada
>
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com, "Antoni Kazimierski" <ASKAZIMIERSKI@ >
wrote:
> > the database with lists of stations and destinations.
>
> A naive and/or ignorant question: 17 Feb 1940 is considered to be the 1st day
of deportations from Kresy. But the database lists some 50+ train departures
_before_ that date, and for that matter, no departures on 17 Feb.
> able and willing to provide an explanation?
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Group

Does anyone know what happened to the Polish children who were sent from Iran to
Rongai, Kenya?

I am looking for Antonina (Antosia) Szulc or for any information that would help
me to locate her.  She was in Teheran in 1942.  Her parents, Marian and Emilia,
died in Kazakhstan and two sisters, Maria and Elzbieta, died before Antonina and
her younger brother Kazimierz reached Iran.  Her three older brothers, Wladek,
Jozef and Antoni, joined the Polish Army in the Soviet Union.

Thank you

Halina (NZ)