Where can one buy a copy of First to Fight, does anyone know? It
doesn't seem to be up on Amazon yet. Who are the publishers?

Monica

On 2 Sep 2009, at 11:08, <loasby@...> wrote:

>
> Seventy years after the Nazi invasion of Poland, the first official
> war memorial in the UK to the 500,000 Poles who fought under British
> command in the second world war is to be dedicated as part of an
> emotional "last campaign" by veterans.
>
> Despite being the fourth largest allied army in the fight against
> Germany, Poland's role in the allies' ultimate victory has long been
> overlooked, said organisers.
>
> Polish veterans were profoundly shocked to discover young people in
> Britain asking whether Poland fought with Germany. To ensure the
> Polish contribution to Britain's war effort is never forgotten, a
> new book, First to Fight, is published today, the anniversary of the
> invasion.
>
> The book comes ahead of the unveiling of the Ł300,000 memorial at
> the National Memorial Arboretum on 19 September.
>
> "So many Polish veterans are no longer with us. They are dropping
> very fast. All we see are obituaries," said Dr Marek Stella-Sawicki,
> chair of the Polish War Memorial Committee and editor of the book
> detailing the roles of those who fought through personal accounts of
> surviving veterans.
>
> Lady Thatcher, patron of Conservative Friends of Poland and
> supporter of the last campaign, said: "We must never forget Poland's
> unique contribution to Britain's freedom and the defeat of Nazi
> Germany.
>
> "Poland fought alongside us from the first day of the war to the
> last. Her people showed extraordinary bravery, many giving their
> lives as the ultimate sacrifice. But the freedoms for which they
> fought were to be cruelly denied them in the postwar world."
>
> General the Lord Guthrie, a former chief of the defence staff, said:
> "We owe much to the Poles who came to join us in our struggle. There
> was a time when the only allies the British commonwealth had were
> Polish and large numbers died in battle many miles from their
> country. We are right to remember those gallant men and women, who,
> at a very difficult time in both our countries' histories, were our
> firm friends and allies."
>
> A ceremony at Westerplatte fort, in the harbour of Gdansk, Poland,
> where the first salvos of the war were fired, takes place today.
> Those attending include the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, the
> German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and Britain's foreign secretary,
> David Miliband.
>
> Sawicki, professor of computer science at University College London,
> whose parents met "through the wire" at a prisoner of war camp in
> Germany, said Poland was slighted when its soldiers and sailors were
> denied representation in the 1946 Victory Parade.
>
> He added that though the Arboretum, near Lichfield, Staffordshire,
> contained some 130 war memorials, until now none had been dedicated
> to the Poles killed during the second world war. Much of the
> Ł300,000 came from the public.
>
> As well as personal accounts, First to Fight also includes for the
> first time a full English translation of Stalin's signed order to
> execute 14,736 of the Polish Officer Corps at Katyn Forest, Russia,
> in 1940.
>
> From
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/01/polish-war-effort-memorial-book
>
> Rob
> Nottingham ,UK
>
>
>

Monica Janowski
318 Cranbrook Road
Ilford, Essex
IG2 6EP
Tel 020 8491 3041
monica.janowski@...

Monica,

This might help:

First to Fight: Poland's contribution to the Allied Victory in WWII
ISBN: 978-0-9557824-4-2
296 pages
Softcover
Illustrated with many photographs
UK Ł19.95

May not be on general release as yet, as they may want the launch to
coincide with the unveiling of the memorial.

More here - http://www.polishforcesmemorial.com/

Rob
Nottingham UK

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Sent: 02 September 2009 11:22
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Britain finally honours Polish war effort with
first official memorial


Where can one buy a copy of First to Fight, does anyone know? It
doesn't seem to be up on Amazon yet. Who are the publishers?

Monica

On 2 Sep 2009, at 11:08, <loasby@...> wrote:

>
> Seventy years after the Nazi invasion of Poland, the first official
> war memorial in the UK to the 500,000 Poles who fought under British
> command in the second world war is to be dedicated as part of an
> emotional "last campaign" by veterans.
>
> Despite being the fourth largest allied army in the fight against
> Germany, Poland's role in the allies' ultimate victory has long been
> overlooked, said organisers.
>
> Polish veterans were profoundly shocked to discover young people in
> Britain asking whether Poland fought with Germany. To ensure the
> Polish contribution to Britain's war effort is never forgotten, a
> new book, First to Fight, is published today, the anniversary of the
> invasion.
>
> The book comes ahead of the unveiling of the Ł300,000 memorial at
> the National Memorial Arboretum on 19 September.
>
> "So many Polish veterans are no longer with us. They are dropping
> very fast. All we see are obituaries," said Dr Marek Stella-Sawicki,
> chair of the Polish War Memorial Committee and editor of the book
> detailing the roles of those who fought through personal accounts of
> surviving veterans.
>
> Lady Thatcher, patron of Conservative Friends of Poland and
> supporter of the last campaign, said: "We must never forget Poland's
> unique contribution to Britain's freedom and the defeat of Nazi
> Germany.
>
> "Poland fought alongside us from the first day of the war to the
> last. Her people showed extraordinary bravery, many giving their
> lives as the ultimate sacrifice. But the freedoms for which they
> fought were to be cruelly denied them in the postwar world."
>
> General the Lord Guthrie, a former chief of the defence staff, said:
> "We owe much to the Poles who came to join us in our struggle. There
> was a time when the only allies the British commonwealth had were
> Polish and large numbers died in battle many miles from their
> country. We are right to remember those gallant men and women, who,
> at a very difficult time in both our countries' histories, were our
> firm friends and allies."
>
> A ceremony at Westerplatte fort, in the harbour of Gdansk, Poland,
> where the first salvos of the war were fired, takes place today.
> Those attending include the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, the
> German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and Britain's foreign secretary,
> David Miliband.
>
> Sawicki, professor of computer science at University College London,
> whose parents met "through the wire" at a prisoner of war camp in
> Germany, said Poland was slighted when its soldiers and sailors were
> denied representation in the 1946 Victory Parade.
>
> He added that though the Arboretum, near Lichfield, Staffordshire,
> contained some 130 war memorials, until now none had been dedicated
> to the Poles killed during the second world war. Much of the
> Ł300,000 came from the public.
>
> As well as personal accounts, First to Fight also includes for the
> first time a full English translation of Stalin's signed order to
> execute 14,736 of the Polish Officer Corps at Katyn Forest, Russia,
> in 1940.
>
> From
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/01/polish-war-effort-memorial
> -book
>
> Rob
> Nottingham ,UK
>
>
>

Monica Janowski
318 Cranbrook Road
Ilford, Essex
IG2 6EP
Tel 020 8491 3041
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Thanks. I've emailed the contact person on the website so hope to hear
something back.

Monica

On 2 Sep 2009, at 12:07, <loasby@...> <loasby@...> wrote:

> Monica,
>
> This might help:
>
> First to Fight: Poland's contribution to the Allied Victory in WWII
> ISBN: 978-0-9557824-4-2
> 296 pages
> Softcover
> Illustrated with many photographs
> UK Ł19.95
>
> May not be on general release as yet, as they may want the launch to
> coincide with the unveiling of the memorial.
>
> More here - http://www.polishforcesmemorial.com/
>
> Rob
> Nottingham UK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of Monica Janowski
> Sent: 02 September 2009 11:22
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Britain finally honours Polish war
> effort with
> first official memorial
>
> Where can one buy a copy of First to Fight, does anyone know? It
> doesn't seem to be up on Amazon yet. Who are the publishers?
>
> Monica
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 11:08, <loasby@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Seventy years after the Nazi invasion of Poland, the first official
> > war memorial in the UK to the 500,000 Poles who fought under British
> > command in the second world war is to be dedicated as part of an
> > emotional "last campaign" by veterans.
> >
> > Despite being the fourth largest allied army in the fight against
> > Germany, Poland's role in the allies' ultimate victory has long been
> > overlooked, said organisers.
> >
> > Polish veterans were profoundly shocked to discover young people in
> > Britain asking whether Poland fought with Germany. To ensure the
> > Polish contribution to Britain's war effort is never forgotten, a
> > new book, First to Fight, is published today, the anniversary of the
> > invasion.
> >
> > The book comes ahead of the unveiling of the Ł300,000 memorial at
> > the National Memorial Arboretum on 19 September.
> >
> > "So many Polish veterans are no longer with us. They are dropping
> > very fast. All we see are obituaries," said Dr Marek Stella-Sawicki,
> > chair of the Polish War Memorial Committee and editor of the book
> > detailing the roles of those who fought through personal accounts of
> > surviving veterans.
> >
> > Lady Thatcher, patron of Conservative Friends of Poland and
> > supporter of the last campaign, said: "We must never forget Poland's
> > unique contribution to Britain's freedom and the defeat of Nazi
> > Germany.
> >
> > "Poland fought alongside us from the first day of the war to the
> > last. Her people showed extraordinary bravery, many giving their
> > lives as the ultimate sacrifice. But the freedoms for which they
> > fought were to be cruelly denied them in the postwar world."
> >
> > General the Lord Guthrie, a former chief of the defence staff, said:
> > "We owe much to the Poles who came to join us in our struggle. There
> > was a time when the only allies the British commonwealth had were
> > Polish and large numbers died in battle many miles from their
> > country. We are right to remember those gallant men and women, who,
> > at a very difficult time in both our countries' histories, were our
> > firm friends and allies."
> >
> > A ceremony at Westerplatte fort, in the harbour of Gdansk, Poland,
> > where the first salvos of the war were fired, takes place today.
> > Those attending include the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, the
> > German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and Britain's foreign secretary,
> > David Miliband.
> >
> > Sawicki, professor of computer science at University College London,
> > whose parents met "through the wire" at a prisoner of war camp in
> > Germany, said Poland was slighted when its soldiers and sailors were
> > denied representation in the 1946 Victory Parade.
> >
> > He added that though the Arboretum, near Lichfield, Staffordshire,
> > contained some 130 war memorials, until now none had been dedicated
> > to the Poles killed during the second world war. Much of the
> > Ł300,000 came from the public.
> >
> > As well as personal accounts, First to Fight also includes for the
> > first time a full English translation of Stalin's signed order to
> > execute 14,736 of the Polish Officer Corps at Katyn Forest, Russia,
> > in 1940.
> >
> > From
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/01/polish-war-effort-memorial
> > -book
> >
> > Rob
> > Nottingham ,UK
> >
> >
> >
>
> Monica Janowski
> 318 Cranbrook Road
> Ilford, Essex
> IG2 6EP
> Tel 020 8491 3041
> monica.janowski@...
>
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Monica,

Another new book that you might be interested in is:

"NO GREATER ALLY: The Untold Story of Poland's Forces in World War II" by
Kenneth K. Koskodan
ISBN-13: 978 1 84603 365 0
Publisher: Osprey
Price: Ł12.59 from Amazon.co.uk
http://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Greater-Ally-Polands-Military/dp/1846033659/ref=sr_1_\
1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251902787&sr=8-1

I just found the book on Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1557504644?ie=UTF8&tag=marcorboo-20&linkCode=as\
2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1557504644


Barbara Charuba
Barrie ON Canada


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Monica Janowski
Sent: September 2, 2009 7:19 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Britain finally honours Polish war effort with
first official memorial

Thanks. I've emailed the contact person on the website so hope to hear
something back.

Monica

On 2 Sep 2009, at 12:07, <loasby@...> <loasby@...> wrote:

> Monica,
>
> This might help:
>
> First to Fight: Poland's contribution to the Allied Victory in WWII
> ISBN: 978-0-9557824-4-2
> 296 pages
> Softcover
> Illustrated with many photographs
> UK Ł19.95
>
> May not be on general release as yet, as they may want the launch to
> coincide with the unveiling of the memorial.
>
> More here - http://www.polishforcesmemorial.com/
>
> Rob
> Nottingham UK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of Monica Janowski
> Sent: 02 September 2009 11:22
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Britain finally honours Polish war
> effort with
> first official memorial
>
> Where can one buy a copy of First to Fight, does anyone know? It
> doesn't seem to be up on Amazon yet. Who are the publishers?
>
> Monica
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 11:08, <loasby@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Seventy years after the Nazi invasion of Poland, the first official
> > war memorial in the UK to the 500,000 Poles who fought under British
> > command in the second world war is to be dedicated as part of an
> > emotional "last campaign" by veterans.
> >
> > Despite being the fourth largest allied army in the fight against
> > Germany, Poland's role in the allies' ultimate victory has long been
> > overlooked, said organisers.
> >
> > Polish veterans were profoundly shocked to discover young people in
> > Britain asking whether Poland fought with Germany. To ensure the
> > Polish contribution to Britain's war effort is never forgotten, a
> > new book, First to Fight, is published today, the anniversary of the
> > invasion.
> >
> > The book comes ahead of the unveiling of the Ł300,000 memorial at
> > the National Memorial Arboretum on 19 September.
> >
> > "So many Polish veterans are no longer with us. They are dropping
> > very fast. All we see are obituaries," said Dr Marek Stella-Sawicki,
> > chair of the Polish War Memorial Committee and editor of the book
> > detailing the roles of those who fought through personal accounts of
> > surviving veterans.
> >
> > Lady Thatcher, patron of Conservative Friends of Poland and
> > supporter of the last campaign, said: "We must never forget Poland's
> > unique contribution to Britain's freedom and the defeat of Nazi
> > Germany.
> >
> > "Poland fought alongside us from the first day of the war to the
> > last. Her people showed extraordinary bravery, many giving their
> > lives as the ultimate sacrifice. But the freedoms for which they
> > fought were to be cruelly denied them in the postwar world."
> >
> > General the Lord Guthrie, a former chief of the defence staff, said:
> > "We owe much to the Poles who came to join us in our struggle. There
> > was a time when the only allies the British commonwealth had were
> > Polish and large numbers died in battle many miles from their
> > country. We are right to remember those gallant men and women, who,
> > at a very difficult time in both our countries' histories, were our
> > firm friends and allies."
> >
> > A ceremony at Westerplatte fort, in the harbour of Gdansk, Poland,
> > where the first salvos of the war were fired, takes place today.
> > Those attending include the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, the
> > German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and Britain's foreign secretary,
> > David Miliband.
> >
> > Sawicki, professor of computer science at University College London,
> > whose parents met "through the wire" at a prisoner of war camp in
> > Germany, said Poland was slighted when its soldiers and sailors were
> > denied representation in the 1946 Victory Parade.
> >
> > He added that though the Arboretum, near Lichfield, Staffordshire,
> > contained some 130 war memorials, until now none had been dedicated
> > to the Poles killed during the second world war. Much of the
> > Ł300,000 came from the public.
> >
> > As well as personal accounts, First to Fight also includes for the
> > first time a full English translation of Stalin's signed order to
> > execute 14,736 of the Polish Officer Corps at Katyn Forest, Russia,
> > in 1940.
> >
> > From
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/01/polish-war-effort-memorial
> > -book
> >
> > Rob
> > Nottingham ,UK
> >
> >
> >
>
> Monica Janowski
> 318 Cranbrook Road
> Ilford, Essex
> IG2 6EP
> Tel 020 8491 3041
> monica.janowski@...
>
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Sorry it flew off before I had a chance to add my name,

With warmest regards,

Krys - Ipswich, UK

(Krystyna Dobrzanska - researching Starzak)

P.S. Barbara the book link leads to "First to Fight: AN INSIDE VIEW OF THE
US MARINE CORPS!  to
> Monica,
>
> Another new book that you might be interested in is:
>
> "NO GREATER ALLY: The Untold Story of Poland's Forces in World War II" by
> Kenneth K. Koskodan
> ISBN-13: 978 1 84603 365 0
> Publisher: Osprey
> Price: Ł12.59 from Amazon.co.uk
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Greater-Ally-Polands-Military/dp/1846033659/ref=sr_1_\
1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251902787&sr=8-1
>
>
>
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Thanks, Krys.

Monica

On 2 Sep 2009, at 15:47, Krys Dobrzanski wrote:

> Monica,
>
> Another new book that you might be interested in is:
>
> "NO GREATER ALLY: The Untold Story of Poland's Forces in World War
> II" by
> Kenneth K. Koskodan
> ISBN-13: 978 1 84603 365 0
> Publisher: Osprey
> Price: Ł12.59 from Amazon.co.uk
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Greater-Ally-Polands-Military/dp/1846033659/ref=sr_1_\
1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251902787&sr=8-1
>
>
>
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Barbara - I think the book you've found is about the US Marine Corps...

Monica

On 2 Sep 2009, at 15:52, Barbara Charuba wrote:

> I just found the book on Amazon.com
>
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1557504644?ie=UTF8&tag=marcorboo-20&linkCode=as\
2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1557504644
>
>
> Barbara Charuba
> Barrie ON Canada
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> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> ] On
> Behalf Of Monica Janowski
> Sent: September 2, 2009 7:19 AM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Britain finally honours Polish war
> effort with
> first official memorial
>
> Thanks. I've emailed the contact person on the website so hope to hear
> something back.
>
> Monica
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 12:07, <loasby@...> <loasby@...> wrote:
>
>> Monica,
>>
>> This might help:
>>
>> First to Fight: Poland's contribution to the Allied Victory in WWII
>> ISBN: 978-0-9557824-4-2
>> 296 pages
>> Softcover
>> Illustrated with many photographs
>> UK Ł19.95
>>
>> May not be on general release as yet, as they may want the launch to
>> coincide with the unveiling of the memorial.
>>
>> More here - http://www.polishforcesmemorial.com/
>>
>> Rob
>> Nottingham UK
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>> ]
>> On Behalf Of Monica Janowski
>> Sent: 02 September 2009 11:22
>> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Britain finally honours Polish war
>> effort with
>> first official memorial
>>
>> Where can one buy a copy of First to Fight, does anyone know? It
>> doesn't seem to be up on Amazon yet. Who are the publishers?
>>
>> Monica
>>
>> On 2 Sep 2009, at 11:08, <loasby@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Seventy years after the Nazi invasion of Poland, the first official
>>> war memorial in the UK to the 500,000 Poles who fought under British
>>> command in the second world war is to be dedicated as part of an
>>> emotional "last campaign" by veterans.
>>>
>>> Despite being the fourth largest allied army in the fight against
>>> Germany, Poland's role in the allies' ultimate victory has long been
>>> overlooked, said organisers.
>>>
>>> Polish veterans were profoundly shocked to discover young people in
>>> Britain asking whether Poland fought with Germany. To ensure the
>>> Polish contribution to Britain's war effort is never forgotten, a
>>> new book, First to Fight, is published today, the anniversary of the
>>> invasion.
>>>
>>> The book comes ahead of the unveiling of the Ł300,000 memorial at
>>> the National Memorial Arboretum on 19 September.
>>>
>>> "So many Polish veterans are no longer with us. They are dropping
>>> very fast. All we see are obituaries," said Dr Marek Stella-Sawicki,
>>> chair of the Polish War Memorial Committee and editor of the book
>>> detailing the roles of those who fought through personal accounts of
>>> surviving veterans.
>>>
>>> Lady Thatcher, patron of Conservative Friends of Poland and
>>> supporter of the last campaign, said: "We must never forget Poland's
>>> unique contribution to Britain's freedom and the defeat of Nazi
>>> Germany.
>>>
>>> "Poland fought alongside us from the first day of the war to the
>>> last. Her people showed extraordinary bravery, many giving their
>>> lives as the ultimate sacrifice. But the freedoms for which they
>>> fought were to be cruelly denied them in the postwar world."
>>>
>>> General the Lord Guthrie, a former chief of the defence staff, said:
>>> "We owe much to the Poles who came to join us in our struggle. There
>>> was a time when the only allies the British commonwealth had were
>>> Polish and large numbers died in battle many miles from their
>>> country. We are right to remember those gallant men and women, who,
>>> at a very difficult time in both our countries' histories, were our
>>> firm friends and allies."
>>>
>>> A ceremony at Westerplatte fort, in the harbour of Gdansk, Poland,
>>> where the first salvos of the war were fired, takes place today.
>>> Those attending include the Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, the
>>> German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and Britain's foreign secretary,
>>> David Miliband.
>>>
>>> Sawicki, professor of computer science at University College London,
>>> whose parents met "through the wire" at a prisoner of war camp in
>>> Germany, said Poland was slighted when its soldiers and sailors were
>>> denied representation in the 1946 Victory Parade.
>>>
>>> He added that though the Arboretum, near Lichfield, Staffordshire,
>>> contained some 130 war memorials, until now none had been dedicated
>>> to the Poles killed during the second world war. Much of the
>>> Ł300,000 came from the public.
>>>
>>> As well as personal accounts, First to Fight also includes for the
>>> first time a full English translation of Stalin's signed order to
>>> execute 14,736 of the Polish Officer Corps at Katyn Forest, Russia,
>>> in 1940.
>>>
>>> From
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/01/polish-war-effort-memorial
>>> -book
>>>
>>> Rob
>>> Nottingham ,UK
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Stefan, I will do my best ........krystyna

----- Original Message -----

From: Stefan Wisniowski

To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:27 PM

Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia

 

Krys

Please bring back a photo of each gravestone and a transcript of the burial records !

Thanks

Stefan

From: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Kresy- Siberia@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Krystyna Freiburger
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:10 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia

 

I am leaving this coming Saturday for Africa and I will be visiting Lusaka, Zambia (used to be Northen Rhodesia) where my mom and oldest brother spent 5 years during the war. Of course the camp is no longer there but I will visit the  Polish Cemetary. If anyone of you has someone buried there please let me know and I will be sure to light a candle and say a few prayers. Kasisi Children's Home is also still there and I will be visiting Sister Mariola who will show me around......

Krystyna Freiburger

Onatrio, Canada

----- Original Message -----

From: Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com ; krystynafreiburger@... ; Jozef M. Matyjek S.J. ; Jozef Matyjek

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia

Hi, Krystyna,
Please contact  Fr. Josef Matyjek, SJ - missionary from Poland for many years in Zambia, Lusaca and Mumbwa. Please let him now about Polish graves!
Home telephone 260 211 800085 ( 260 -Zambia, 211  you add when colling from outside Zambia)
His cell phone is 260 955 689 689. 
955 this is # telephone company: Cell Z
Thank you very much,  Bog zaplac
Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska
from Atlanta, Georgia, USA

Krystyna Freiburger wrote:

 

Stefan, I will do my best ........krystyna

----- Original Message -----

From: Stefan Wisniowski

To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:27 PM

Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia

 

Krys

Please bring back a photo of each gravestone and a transcript of the burial records !

Thanks

Stefan

From: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Kresy- Siberia@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Krystyna Freiburger
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:10 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia

I am leaving this coming Saturday for Africa and I will be visiting Lusaka, Zambia (used to be Northen Rhodesia) where my mom and oldest brother spent 5 years during the war. Of course the camp is no longer there but I will visit the  Polish Cemetary. If anyone of you has someone buried there please let me know and I will be sure to light a candle and say a few prayers. Kasisi Children's Home is also still there and I will be visiting Sister Mariola who will show me around......

Krystyna Freiburger

Onatrio, Canada

Hi Elzbieta...thank you for the information about Ks Josef Matyjek......

I'm not quite sure what I should tell him about the polish graves....maybe you mean that I ask him about the Polish graves.....maybe he can help with getting a transcript.

krystyna piotrowska freiburger

ontario, canada

----- Original Message -----

From: Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com ; krystynafreiburger@... ; Jozef M. Matyjek S.J. ; Jozef Matyjek

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia

Hi, Krystyna,
Please contact  Fr. Josef Matyjek, SJ - missionary from Poland for many years in Zambia, Lusaca and Mumbwa. Please let him now about Polish graves!
Home telephone 260 211 800085 ( 260 -Zambia, 211  you add when colling from outside Zambia)
His cell phone is 260 955 689 689. 
955 this is # telephone company: Cell Z
Thank you very much,  Bog zaplac
Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska
from Atlanta, Georgia, USA

Krystyna Freiburger wrote:

 

Stefan, I will do my best ........krystyna

----- Original Message -----

From: Stefan Wisniowski

To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:27 PM

Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia

 

Krys

Please bring back a photo of each gravestone and a transcript of the burial records !

Thanks

Stefan

From: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Kresy- Siberia@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Krystyna Freiburger
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:10 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia

I am leaving this coming Saturday for Africa and I will be visiting Lusaka, Zambia (used to be Northen Rhodesia) where my mom and oldest brother spent 5 years during the war. Of course the camp is no longer there but I will visit the  Polish Cemetary. If anyone of you has someone buried there please let me know and I will be sure to light a candle and say a few prayers. Kasisi Children's Home is also still there and I will be visiting Sister Mariola who will show me around......

Krystyna Freiburger

Onatrio, Canada

 

Is this O. Józef Matyjek SJ ? Główną troską, spośród państw afrykańskich, polscy jezuici otaczają Zambię. Najbardziej znanym misjonarzem Zambii, jest o. Adam Kozłowiecki SJ, mianowany kardynałem w 1998 roku. O specyfice pracy na południu Afryki opowie nam O. Józef Matyjek SJ. http://www.jezuici. pl/pow/articles/ 30/n/5   Pozdrawiam bardzo serdecznie Krystyna Styrna --- 3.9.09 (Czw), Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska <egurtle@emory. edu> napisał(a): Od: Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska <egurtle@emory. edu> Temat: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia Do: "Krystyna Freiburger" <krystynafreiburger@ sympatico. ca> DW: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com, "Jozef M. Matyjek S.J." <jmmatyjek@zamnet. zm>, "Jozef Matyjek" <jmmatyjek@yahoo. com> Data: 3 Wrzesień 2009 (Czwartek), 16:36   Hello Krystyna Fr Josef knew my mother Dr. Maria Tomaszewska and her lager history (10 years Czelabinsk Siberia, returned to Poland in 1954 after 10 years of the lager camp and my and my grandmother  Kazakhstan/Siberia  experience from 1940 to 1946. I am not sure if he knows about Polish Graves.    If it will be too difficult  - he is sometimes in very remote areas - don't worry about t it.. have a wonderful trip Elzbieta  from Atlanta, GA, USA Krystyna Freiburger wrote: Hi Elzbieta...thank you for the information about Ks Josef Matyjek..... . I'm not quite sure what I should tell him about the polish graves....maybe you mean that I ask him about the Polish graves.....maybe he can help with getting a transcript. krystyna piotrowska freiburger ontario, canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com ; krystynafreiburger@ sympatico. ca ; Jozef M. Matyjek S.J. ; Jozef Matyjek Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia Hi, Krystyna, Please contact  Fr. Josef Matyjek, SJ - missionary from Poland for many years in Zambia, Lusaca and Mumbwa. Please let him now about Polish graves! Home telephone 260 211 800085 ( 260 -Zambia, 211  you add when colling from outside Zambia) His cell phone is 260 955 689 689.  955 this is # telephone company: Cell Z Thank you very much,  Bog zaplac Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska from Atlanta, Georgia, USA Krystyna Freiburger wrote:   Stefan, I will do my best ........krystyna ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Wisniowski To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia   Krys Please bring back a photo of each gravestone and a transcript of the burial records ! Thanks Stefan From: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Kresy- Siberia@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Krystyna Freiburger Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:10 AM To: Kresy-Siberia@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Lusaka Zambia I am leaving this coming Saturday for Africa and I will be visiting Lusaka, Zambia (used to be Northen Rhodesia) where my mom and oldest brother spent 5 years during the war. Of course the camp is no longer there but I will visit the  Polish Cemetary. If anyone of you has someone buried there please let me know and I will be sure to light a candle and say a few prayers. Kasisi Children's Home is also still there and I will be visiting Sister Mariola who will show me around...... Krystyna Freiburger Onatrio, Canada

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Has any one been watching the *World War 2 Behind Closed Doors*
programme on the Yesterday Channel.
Makes interesting watching as some of the information is an eye opener.

Paul

Unit recognition from old photos is an interesting (albeit geeky)hobby â€" and
your father's picture is a tough one - simply as it doesn't give much to go on.
The triangulur collar pennon, at first glance would usually mean armoured troops
but the 5th Kresowa INFANTRY arm path would seem to contradict that. And if he
was infantry why doesn't have the same style if insignia that we see on so many
other pictures? Please indulge my small essay on Polish Army insignia:

In 1939, to indicate what soldiers did, most of the Polish Army wore coloured
rectangular patches on their tunic. They had the traditional zig-zag on the
front and bottom and a coloured strip of piping along the back edge.
Traditionally the infantry has always worn blue patches with yellow piping as
their arm-of-service colours. For reference the other arms were:

Generals: Dark blue - crimson
Infantry: Dark blue - yellow
Frontier Defence Corps: Dark blue â€" dark green
Rifle Battalions: Dark blue â€" dark green
Field Artillery: Dark Green - black
Medium Artillery: Dark Green - scarlet
Heavy Artillery: Dark green â€" raspberry red
Survey Artillery: Dark Green - white
Anti-Aircraft Artillery: Dark Green - yellow
Engineers: Black - scarlet
Railway Engineers: Black â€" cherry red
Ordnance: Emerald green - black
Signals: Black â€" cornflower blue
Military Police: Scarlet â€" light yellow
Legal Service: Raspberry red - black
Geographical Service: Black - white
Commissaries: Black - scarlet
Administrative Services: Royal blue â€" cherry red
Chaplains: Violet â€" no piping.
Doctors: Cherry red â€" dark blue
Pharmacists: Cherry red â€" cornflower blue
Dentists: Cherry red â€" light blue
Vetinaries: Cherry red â€" dark green

None of this told you which unit the soldier was with, just simply what he didin
the army. If you wanted to know the actual unit you would have to look at his
breast badge. Each unit had a metal/metal and enamel badge that he wore on his
left breast (often given out to commemorate one years service with that unit).
If you look at the badges of the time you will see that the colour theme often
also reflects the arm of service colour. Infantry badges are often blue,
artillery are green, engineers are red, signals are light blue and armoured
units are orange (more about that presently).

Mounted units were not included in the above scheme. Cavalry would wear their
unit pennons on their collars next to the zig-zag. These pennons would represent
the pennons they also carried on their lance. They had the familiar two point
design which I’m sure we are familiar with.

There was only one arm of service in the Polish Army of 1939 that wore a
triangular patch â€" armoured units. They used a black and orange triangular
pennon with the black on top.

The Polish Armed Forces in the West used a similar but slightly more complex
system of identification which was a mix of British and Polish styles that has
led to difficulty for researchers to identify soldiers from the lesser know
units. Firstly the arm of service patch was kept but redesigned to fit British
style battle dress. Infantry would wear a blue pentagon (on jackets) or diamonds
(on battle dress) with yellow piping in the top. Other arms would wear patches
based on the old 1939 colours (although there were some modifications). Unit
identification came down to shoulder patches as in the British Army. The
triangular patch was originally kept exclusively for armour with the same colour
scheme as 1939, but was also extended to motorized artillery which was given a
black and dark green triangular pennon. This situation continued until the
campaign in Italy where things got a little chaotic.

There seemed to have been as explosion of badges and insignia in Italy. There
was a plan to replace the Polish arm-of-service patch with the British version
â€" a thin multi coloured strip worn under the unit badge on the left arm, but
this never really caught on. What did catch on was the wearing of unit insignia
on the beret (or painted directly on the helmet). This was also accompanied with
collar insignia replacing arm-or-service insignia… or sometimes the unit
insignia was worn directly on the arm of service patch. It is all very
confusing.

Coming back to the matter in hand â€" the triangular collar patch is actually
quite rare in 2 Polcorps in Italy… and more so in the 5th Kresowa. It is very
rare to see picture of troops wearing a triangular pennon. Black and white
photos can only help us with shade â€" dark on top; light on the bottom.
Anti-aircraft artillery, artillery supply companies and workshop/maintenance
companies all wore triangles; the artillery based units had the light colour on
top (variations of orange/red over dark green)… the workshop/maintenance
companies wore black and orange with the black on top and it is here that my
best guess lies and here where I think you should be looking. There is, to the
best of my knowledge, no definitive reference for this subject. Most works
dealing with insignia only deal with the major front line units and very few
have the space or the inclination to add all of the support units.The good news
is that the number of troops in this area would have been comparatively small.
The bad news: there were a lot of small specialized units whose records may not
have been well preserved. Fixing Polish tanks is not as glamourous as blowing up
German ones, even if it was just as important to the greater effort.

So that's my non-conclusive conclusion. It could be the pennon of one of the
workshop/maintenance companies of the 5th Kresowa Inf. Div.

Best regards, Mark Ostrowski

----- Original Message -----

From: Ed Bachorz

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Cc: mark_oyun@...

Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 7:15 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] INTERESTING VIDEO

 

This is a very interesting video... It is 4:29 long... At 1:13 of the video, look at the soldier saluting... The pennon on his uniform is similar to my father's... As you say, however, in black & white, identifying them is diffucult... Here is the video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4TuPa_PU2g&feature=related Thank you...Edward Bachorz --- On Sun, 9/6/09, mark_oyun <mark_oyun@yahoo.com> wrote: From: mark_oyun <mark_oyun@yahoo.com> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: PENNON To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 8:06 AM   Unit recognition from old photos is an interesting (albeit geeky)hobby â€" and your father's picture is a tough one - simply as it doesn't give much to go on. The triangulur collar pennon, at first glance would usually mean armoured troops but the 5th Kresowa INFANTRY arm path would seem to contradict that. And if he was infantry why doesn't have the same style if insignia that we see on so many other pictures? Please indulge my small essay on Polish Army insignia: In 1939, to indicate what soldiers did, most of the Polish Army wore coloured rectangular patches on their tunic. They had the traditional zig-zag on the front and bottom and a coloured strip of piping along the back edge. Traditionally the infantry has always worn blue patches with yellow piping as their arm-of-service colours. For reference the other arms were: Generals: Dark blue - crimson Infantry: Dark blue - yellow Frontier Defence Corps: Dark blue â€" dark green Rifle Battalions: Dark blue â€" dark green Field Artillery: Dark Green - black Medium Artillery: Dark Green - scarlet Heavy Artillery: Dark green â€" raspberry red Survey Artillery: Dark Green - white Anti-Aircraft Artillery: Dark Green - yellow Engineers: Black - scarlet Railway Engineers: Black â€" cherry red Ordnance: Emerald green - black Signals: Black â€" cornflower blue Military Police: Scarlet â€" light yellow Legal Service: Raspberry red - black Geographical Service: Black - white Commissaries: Black - scarlet Administrative Services: Royal blue â€" cherry red Chaplains: Violet â€" no piping. Doctors: Cherry red â€" dark blue Pharmacists: Cherry red â€" cornflower blue Dentists: Cherry red â€" light blue Vetinaries: Cherry red â€" dark green None of this told you which unit the soldier was with, just simply what he didin the army. If you wanted to know the actual unit you would have to look at his breast badge. Each unit had a metal/metal and enamel badge that he wore on his left breast (often given out to commemorate one years service with that unit). If you look at the badges of the time you will see that the colour theme often also reflects the arm of service colour. Infantry badges are often blue, artillery are green, engineers are red, signals are light blue and armoured units are orange (more about that presently). Mounted units were not included in the above scheme. Cavalry would wear their unit pennons on their collars next to the zig-zag. These pennons would represent the pennons they also carried on their lance. They had the familiar two point design which I’m sure we are familiar with. There was only one arm of service in the Polish Army of 1939 that wore a triangular patch â€" armoured units. They used a black and orange triangular pennon with the black on top. The Polish Armed Forces in the West used a similar but slightly more complex system of identification which was a mix of British and Polish styles that has led to difficulty for researchers to identify soldiers from the lesser know units. Firstly the arm of service patch was kept but redesigned to fit British style battle dress. Infantry would wear a blue pentagon (on jackets) or diamonds (on battle dress) with yellow piping in the top. Other arms would wear patches based on the old 1939 colours (although there were some modifications) . Unit identification came down to shoulder patches as in the British Army. The triangular patch was originally kept exclusively for armour with the same colour scheme as 1939, but was also extended to motorized artillery which was given a black and dark green triangular pennon. This situation continued until the campaign in Italy where things got a little chaotic. There seemed to have been as explosion of badges and insignia in Italy. There was a plan to replace the Polish arm-of-service patch with the British version â€" a thin multi coloured strip worn under the unit badge on the left arm, but this never really caught on. What did catch on was the wearing of unit insignia on the beret (or painted directly on the helmet). This was also accompanied with collar insignia replacing arm-or-service insignia… or sometimes the unit insignia was worn directly on the arm of service patch. It is all very confusing. Coming back to the matter in hand â€" the triangular collar patch is actually quite rare in 2 Polcorps in Italy… and more so in the 5th Kresowa. It is very rare to see picture of troops wearing a triangular pennon. Black and white photos can only help us with shade â€" dark on top; light on the bottom. Anti-aircraft artillery, artillery supply companies and workshop/maintenanc e companies all wore triangles; the artillery based units had the light colour on top (variations of orange/red over dark green)… the workshop/maintenanc e companies wore black and orange with the black on top and it is here that my best guess lies and here where I think you should be looking. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no definitive reference for this subject. Most works dealing with insignia only deal with the major front line units and very few have the space or the inclination to add all of the support units.The good news is that the number of troops in this area would have been comparatively small. The bad news: there were a lot of small specialized units whose records may not have been well preserved. Fixing Polish tanks is not as glamourous as blowing up German ones, even if it was just as important to the greater effort. So that's my non-conclusive conclusion. It could be the pennon of one of the workshop/maintenanc e companies of the 5th Kresowa Inf. Div. Best regards, Mark Ostrowski