Yes, PAL it is.  (although many Aussie machines read NTSC as well, in
keeping with our tradition of taking the best from Europe and from America).
Stefan

> From: John Nieurzyla <j.nieurzyla@...>
> Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:48:47 +0100
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] BBC program
>
> Hi List
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> As well as having a VHS video recorder, the important part that has been
> missed out, is we operate on a signal called PAL, does Australia use PAL
> as well?
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----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Havers

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] BBC4 Radio program

Linder

can I trouble you for a copy

Paul

At 12:40 09/22/2001 +0100, you wrote:

Dear Stefan,

Bogdan Wilamowski video'd it for me. Not watched it yet. Are the video
machines the same in Australia as we have here? Ours are called VHS, I
wonder if my tape would work on your's? If so, I can easily get it copied
and snail-mail to you.

Linder
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia Group <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:41 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] BBC4 Radio program


> BBC Radio presents the story of "A Forgotten Odyssey", aired on last
Monday
> 17 September.
>
> It will be on their website probably for only for another day or so.
>
> If you are interested, please go to
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/17_09_01/monday/info4.shtml
>
> Here is the description of the program:
> Monday 17 September 2001.
> Just sixteen days after Hitler invaded Poland from the west, the Russians
> rolled in from the east.
>
> Whole communities had to abandon their homes and were packed into cattle
> trains heading into the depths of Russia. Some died along the way, many
died
> in the labour camps where they were forced to work.
>
> Jenni Murray investigates this forgotten odyssey of nearly two million
> Poles, with Sister Aniela Nowak, who was evacuated to Russia, at the age
of
> nine, and Anita Prazmowska, a Senior Lecturer in international history, at
> the London School of Economics.
>
> The film, 'Forgotten Odyssey' is being shown tonight on the BBC's History
> Channel.
>
> <Let me know if you know of any way to save this interview!>
> --
> Stefan Wisniowski
> Australia
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Hi Andy,

Yes of course [not seen it myself yet] If I can do it before Friday, I will,
then I go to USA for 3 weeks till 20th Oct - but certainly after, if you can
wait that long?

Linder
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Kowaluk <a_kowaluk@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] BBC4 Radio program


> Hi Linder,
>
> I would be interested in a copy as well.  I'm happy to cover the cost of
> postage and handling.  We use VHS here in Australia.
>
> Andy Kowaluk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Linder Ladbrooke <linder@...>
> To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] BBC4 Radio program
>
>
> > Dear Stefan,
> >
> > Bogdan Wilamowski video'd it for me. Not watched it yet. Are the video
> > machines the same in Australia as we have here? Ours are called VHS, I
> > wonder if my tape would work on your's? If so, I can easily get it
copied
> > and snail-mail to you.
> >
> > Linder
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
> > To: Kresy-Siberia Group <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:41 AM
> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] BBC4 Radio program
> >
> >
> > > BBC Radio presents the story of "A Forgotten Odyssey", aired on last
> > Monday
> > > 17 September.
> > >
> > > It will be on their website probably for only for another day or so.
> > >
> > > If you are interested, please go to
> > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/17_09_01/monday/info4.shtml
> > >
> > > Here is the description of the program:
> > > Monday 17 September 2001.
> > > Just sixteen days after Hitler invaded Poland from the west, the
> Russians
> > > rolled in from the east.
> > >
> > > Whole communities had to abandon their homes and were packed into
cattle
> > > trains heading into the depths of Russia. Some died along the way,
many
> > died
> > > in the labour camps where they were forced to work.
> > >
> > > Jenni Murray investigates this forgotten odyssey of nearly two million
> > > Poles, with Sister Aniela Nowak, who was evacuated to Russia, at the
age
> > of
> > > nine, and Anita Prazmowska, a Senior Lecturer in international
history,
> at
> > > the London School of Economics.
> > >
> > > The film, 'Forgotten Odyssey' is being shown tonight on the BBC's
> History
> > > Channel.
> > >
> > > <Let me know if you know of any way to save this interview!>
> > > --
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> > > Australia
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Good point Bruce. Australia operates with PAL and is proud of the fact.


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To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] BBC program


> Hi List
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Dear Eve,

Thank you the report on the Pope's visit to Kazakhstan. There are
many Poles there whom the Polish government is trying to repatriate.
My mother sent money and supplies for Polish schools in Kazakhstan
and received letters written in old-fashioned Polish intermingled
with Russianisms and local languages.

The date 1936 is probably not a typo. Many Poles found themselves
trapped in the USSR even as Poland was reborn after WWI.

From the chapter Poland, the Enemy Nation in "The Black Book of
Communism":

"By 1924 the repatration of Poles under the Treaty of Riga was coming
to an end, although there were still between 1.1 and 1.2 million in
the USSR. The vast majority of these lived in either Ukraine and
Belorussia." p.364

"The Poles, regardless of whether they were Soviet citizens, suffered
every aspect of Stalinist terror: the hunt for spies, dekulakization,
anticlericalism, national and ethnic "cleansing," the Great Purge,
the purges of border regions and of the Red Army itself,
"pacification" operations to help the Polish communists into power,
and all the forms that terror took, including forced labor, the
execution of prisoners of war, and mass deportations of groups of
people labeled as "socially dangerous elements." p364

"In Ukraine, Polish resistance [to collectivization] was fierce and
had to be broken by force. According to figures at the time, the
population of the regions inhabited by Poles fell by around 25% in
1933 alone." p365

"In the summer of 1937, the NKVD embarked on new repressions against
national minorities, beginning with the Germans and moving on to the
Poles." p366

"According to an NKVD report of 10 July 1938, the number of prisoners
of Polish origin was 134,519, 53% of whom came from Ukraine or
Belorussia. Between 40 and 50 percent (between 54,000 and 67,000)
were shot. The survivors were sent to camps or deported to
Kazakhstan. The Poles account for some 10% of the total number of
victims of the Great Purge and for around 40% of the victims of
purges against national minorities. These figures are, if anything
understated, since thousands of Poles were deported from Ukraine and
Belorussia for reasons unconnected with the "Polish Operation." p367

And Soviet deportations of Poles to Kazakhstan and the Gulag
continued AFTER the end of World War Two. But that is another chapter.

Chris Gladun, Toronto

Dear group members, I seek your advice.

As the list owner and moderator, I have adopted a policy of "approving" new
members because of the sensitive nature of some of the dialogue and privacy
concerns of some members of the group.

However, I do not wish to discourage new members, as there are few of us and
there is strength in numbers.  As a new group, we are keen to grow and
include as many people as possible with a genuine interest in this issue.

So, do you think that I should ask new members to send me a brief note
introducing themselves and outlining their interest in the  Kresy-Siberia
issue before they can join the group? As an option, if they you request I
could keep their note private, but otherwise I would like to use it to
introduce them the group.

Please tell me what you think, but let's not crowd the list with responses -
please send your advice directly to my e-mail box at SWisniowski@....
Thanks
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Kresy-Siberia List Moderator

I would like to introduce Marek Duchnowski to the group.  Please visit his
site.  I have already put a link to it on "www.AForgottenOdyssey.com".
Perhaps you can put a link on your site to that one and to the mailing list,
Marek.
Regards,
Stefan
----------
From: Marek Duchnowski <marek@...>
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1904 02:56:35 +0100
To: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia

Dear Stefan

Dziekuje bardzo za witanie.

My background is that I am a second generation Pole brought up by Polish
parents in Manchester,UK. My father was a young boy who went through the
terrible ordeal of being removed forcibly from their home in Rowne in 1940.
He will not talk about his experiences because it is too painful for him.
His little sister Basia died on the trucks of starvation.

My connection with all of this began last year at a meeting of the
Association of the families of Borderland settlers annual meeting which my
father and myself attended.

What transpired at this meeting was that a book had been translated into
English by an ex English headmaster entitled "Stalins Ethnic Cleansing" so
that generations of Poles living abroad that could not speak English could
still find out about what had happened. Because of this book I know what he
went through and my children will also know. This is an extremely important
book for all the Polish generations.

Iwas so taken a back that I dedicated my time to develop the website
www.stalinsethniccleansing.com to promote the book and hopefully build links
with Poles like yourself all over the World.

I would be grateful if you could make people aware of the site and please
could you encourage anyone to forward their website details so we can create
some cross links and hopefully increase the traffic.

I am really looking forward to being part of the group and hopefully can
contribute

Czesc

Marek Duchnowski

> From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:46:33 +1100
> To: <marek@...>
> Subject: Kresy-Siberia
>
> Hi Marek
> I have received your request to join the Kresy-Siberia group.  That's great!
>
> Can you please give me some brief info on your background and the nature of
> your connection with all of this?  I will send that info around to the list
> as an introduction to you and join you up.
> Thanks
> --
> Stefan Wisniowski
> Australia
>
>

Stefan,
You asked me before if I knew what church my family was baptized in.
This is what i have gotten so far. They were from Strzelce in the
state (Woj.) of Kielce. The county is Busko-Zdroj. The church was
Olesnica. Also i need to find out information on the town Bozy-now?
THanks
Cindi

Welcome to Henrietta,

I would think that inquiries at the Archiwum Akt Dawnych in Warsaw may yield
up birth records for the town of Podhajce (assuming that was in partitioned
Poland).  Henrietta, have you tried the archives?
Have you tried the list at PolandBorderSurnames-L@...?
Can anybody suggest any other avenues for her to explore?

Stefan

From: Henrietta Parenteau <henrietta.parenteau@...>

Hi, I have been trying to locate my father's family for the past number of
years but have failed.  My grandfather Frank Kozlowski was born in Podhajce
in about 1873 he lived there with his family until he left for Canada in
1899.  He left behind brothers Stefan, Marcyn, Jozef and sisters Maria and
Kasha.  It is believed his father was Jozef and maybe the mother Paulina,
she died in about 1893-94.  When my grandfather passed away in 1941 all
contact was lost with the family.  My father who is now 85 and in poor
health has always wanted to know where or what happened to the other part of
his family.  If possible to find the children or grandchildren of these
people.  Can you help me in any way.

Yours truly,
Henrietta Parenteau(Kozloski)

Dear group members, I seek your advice.

As the list owner and moderator, I have adopted a policy of "approving" new
members because of the sensitive nature of some of the dialogue and privacy
concerns of some members of the group.

However, I do not wish to discourage new members, as there are few of us and
there is strength in numbers.  As a new group, we are keen to grow and
include as many people as possible with a genuine interest in this issue.

So, do you think that I should ask new members to send me a brief note
introducing themselves and outlining their interest in the  Kresy-Siberia
issue before they can join the group? As an option, if they you request I
could keep their note private, but otherwise I would like to use it to
introduce them the group.

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Dear Tom,
Your interest is a bit off topic for the Kresy-Siberia group.  However, I
will send your note out to the group as a one-time request, and see if
anybody has some suggestions, and ask them to come back directly to you.
The best groups for these type of inquiries are
PolandBorderSurnames-L@... and POLAND-ROOTS-L@..., which I
have also taken the liberty of forwarding your request to in case some new
people there can assist you. I hope that helps.
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From: Tclong24@...
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:05:04 EDT
To: swisniowski@...
Subject: (no subject)

Stefan: I joined this list to see if I could learn anything about my
ancestors. I have joined other lists but have had no success in finding any
information or any one else trying to trace the name DESPERAK, who is my
great-grandfather and his wife Anna.  I don't know if he came from Poland
because I have heard that he was from Bohemia and came across the border and
met his wife. I don't know if I will find any information on this list, but
I thought would be worth an attempt.
Respectfully yours, Tom Long

unsubscribe for 3 weeks please

Please welcome Jean-Pierre Sangin to the group.

His family history (from Wilno in the Kresy) is on the web at:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/sangin/home/english.html

Here is an excerpt from his webpage:
My grand-father's name is Jan Songin. His parents are Josef Songin and
Alexandra Dorniak. He was born in Tietiance (then Russia, and after Poland
but now Lithuania). In 1930, my grand-father immigrated into France in order
to marry Marie-Anne Sawosto my grand-mother. Her parents are Josef Sawosto
and Pelagia Czyz. She gave him five sons and daughters, the first Maryan (my
father Maurice), my uncles and aunts Edward, Jean-Claude, Genevičve and
Monique. The day my grand-father married my grand-mother, the clerk made a
mistake on the register and since then our surname is Sangin.

Several millions Poles left their country because of war or economic
reasons. Now many Songin are in USA, France, England, Australia, Germany...
There was a Songin deported from Poland to Alma-Ata, capital of the
Kazakhstan and a cousin who lives in Australia. One day, I should like to
visit my relatives in Lithuania, in Poland, in USA... But before, I hope to
make some contacts with them.

Thanks, J-P.

Regards,
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Kresy-Siberia List Moderator

Please check out this site and let me know what you think about:
- Content
- Format
- Any other ideas for material or links?

Would any of you be interested in hosting a "Siberian" film evening showing
the "A Forgotten Odyssey" film in your home towns?  We did this last Friday
in Sydney for the local Polonia and our English-speaking guests (the movie
is in English) and it was a great success - very moving.

We had the Polish Consul there and politicians from State and Federal
levels, as well as actual survivors from Siberia, as special guests.  The
local Polish Scouts and the Australian Veterans Association (RSL) are
interested in screenings for their groups.  So quite a success as far as
"getting the word out".

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Australia

I have received this pertinent article off the web from Wladyslaw Czapski,
and have attempted a translation of the salient facts.  My Aunt died and was
buried in Teheran on the day after her 18th birthday.  It is possible that
many of us have family members buried in these cemeteries.

Wes Adamczyk has told me about an excursion being organised from London to
Iran to attend the 50th anniversary ceremonies of the "Great Escape" next
April.  Current events make a trip to south-central Asia problematic, but I
can pass on details to anybody interested.

Here is the article (with gratitude to my Saturday Polish school language
skills and apologies in advance for any flaws in the translation).

http://si.pol.pl/servlet/daily/news?data=2001-09-08&nr=2

TRANSLATION:
Andrzej Przewoznik:  Experts going to Iran next month.

Polish Radio reports that Polish experts are going to Iran next month to
agree plans with local authorities for remembrance ceremonies for the exiled
Polish civilians and military personnel buried there.  In 1942, the Poles
left the then Soviet Union with General Anders' army and managed to reach
Iran.  Many died from exhaustion after their sojourn in the forced labour
camps.  Secretary of the "Council to Protect the Memory of Struggle and
Suffering", Andrzej Przewoznik, said that state ceremonies commemorating the
exiles will take place in Iran next year.  He added that the Council decided
to restore all the cemeteries in this country where Poles are buried.
Andrzej Przewoznik said that scores of other cemeteries will be restored in
other countries that the civilian population and the army of General Anders
reached from the Soviet Union.  Beyond Iran, restorations are underway in
Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and India as well as in Africa.  [Saturday, 8
September 2001].

ORIGINAL:
Andrzej Przewoz´nik: za miesiaśc eksperci jadaś do Iranu
Za miesiaśc do Iranu wyjadaś polscy eksperci, aby uzgodnic´ z tamtejszymi
w?adzami plan uroczystos´ci, które majaś upamieśtnic´ pochowanych tam
polskich uchodz´ców cywilnych i wojskowych -- poinformowa?o Polskie Radio. W
1942 roku wyszli oni z ówczesnego Zwiaśzku Radzieckiego i wraz z armiaś
genera?a Andersa dotarli do Iranu. Wielu zmar?o z powodu wycien´czenia po
pobycie w ?agrach. Sekretarz Rady Ochrony Pamieści Walki i Meśczen´stwa
Andrzej Przewoz´nik powiedzia?, z™e uroczystos´ci pan´stwowe
upamieśtniajaśce uchodz´ców odbeśdaś sieś w Iranie w przysz?ym roku. Doda?,
z™e Rada zdecydowa?a o uporzaśdkowaniu wszystkich cmentarzy w tym kraju,
gdzie pochowani saś Polacy. Andrzej Przewoz´nik powiedzia?, z™e
uporzaśdkowanych zostanie tez™ kilkadziesiaśt innych cmentarzy na terenach
róz™nych pan´stw, gdzie ze Zwiaśzku Radzieckiego dotar?a ludnos´c´ cywilna i
armia genera?a Andersa. Oprócz Iranu, prace renowacyjne trwajaś w
Kazachstanie, Uzbekistanie, w Indiach oraz w Afryce.    [ sobota, 8
wrzes´nia 2001 ]

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Stefan Wisniowski
Australia

Wladyslaw Czapski - Wroclaw - Poland. www.us.wroc.pl/bio-rytm/main.htm
  biorytm@...

I received magazine {writing} from Polish Embassy in Teheran about my Mother
Janina deceased Czapska in 1942.

Magazine {writing} gave No of grave.
Who ascertained death.
Why died {dead} and when.
Who accompanied on cemetery.
What left from her fortune in ZSRR
Embassy Poland in Teheran wrote that these given has from 1942 rouk.
I think that Embassy has record {of} Polish c
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Od: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>
Do: "Kresy-Siberia Group" <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Wyslano: 26 wrzesnia 2001 10:38
Temat: [Kresy-Siberia] Polish graves in Iran to be restored


I have received this pertinent article off the web from Wladyslaw Czapski,
and have attempted a translation of the salient facts.  My Aunt died and was
buried in Teheran on the day after her 18th birthday.  It is possible that
many of us have family members buried in these cemeteries.

Wes Adamczyk has told me about an excursion being organised from London to
Iran to attend the 50th anniversary ceremonies of the "Great Escape" next
April.  Current events make a trip to south-central Asia problematic, but I
can pass on details to anybody interested.

Here is the article (with gratitude to my Saturday Polish school language
skills and apologies in advance for any flaws in the translation).

http://si.pol.pl/servlet/daily/news?data=2001-09-08&nr=2

TRANSLATION:
Andrzej Przewoznik:  Experts going to Iran next month.

Polish Radio reports that Polish experts are going to Iran next month to
agree plans with local authorities for remembrance ceremonies for the exiled
Polish civilians and military personnel buried there.  In 1942, the Poles
left the then Soviet Union with General Anders' army and managed to reach
Iran.  Many died from exhaustion after their sojourn in the forced labour
camps.  Secretary of the "Council to Protect the Memory of Struggle and
Suffering", Andrzej Przewoznik, said that state ceremonies commemorating the
exiles will take place in Iran next year.  He added that the Council decided
to restore all the cemeteries in this country where Poles are buried.
Andrzej Przewoznik said that scores of other cemeteries will be restored in
other countries that the civilian population and the army of General Anders
reached from the Soviet Union.  Beyond Iran, restorations are underway in
Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and India as well as in Africa.  [Saturday, 8
September 2001].

ORIGINAL:
Andrzej Przewoz´nik: za miesiaoc eksperci jadao do Iranu
Za miesiaoc do Iranu wyjadao polscy eksperci, aby uzgodnic´ z tamtejszymi
w?adzami plan uroczystos´ci, które majao upamieotnic´ pochowanych tam
polskich uchodz´ców cywilnych i wojskowych -- poinformowa?o Polskie Radio. W
1942 roku wyszli oni z ówczesnego Zwiaozku Radzieckiego i wraz z armiao
genera?a Andersa dotarli do Iranu. Wielu zmar?o z powodu wycien´czenia po
pobycie w ?agrach. Sekretarz Rady Ochrony Pamieoci Walki i Meoczen´stwa
Andrzej Przewoz´nik powiedzia?, zTe uroczystos´ci pan´stwowe
upamieotniajaoce uchodz´ców odbeodao sieo w Iranie w przysz?ym roku. Doda?,
zTe Rada zdecydowa?a o uporzaodkowaniu wszystkich cmentarzy w tym kraju,
gdzie pochowani sao Polacy. Andrzej Przewoz´nik powiedzia?, zTe
uporzaodkowanych zostanie tezT kilkadziesiaot innych cmentarzy na terenach
rózTnych pan´stw, gdzie ze Zwiaozku Radzieckiego dotar?a ludnos´c´ cywilna i
armia genera?a Andersa. Oprócz Iranu, prace renowacyjne trwajao w
Kazachstanie, Uzbekistanie, w Indiach oraz w Afryce.    [ sobota, 8
wrzes´nia 2001 ]

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Australia



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Please check out this site and let me know what you think about:
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Would any of you be interested in hosting a "Siberian" film evening showing
the "A Forgotten Odyssey" film in your home towns?  We did this last Friday
in Sydney for the local Polonia and our English-speaking guests (the movie
is in English) and it was a great success - very moving.

We had the Polish Consul there and politicians from State and Federal
levels, as well as actual survivors from Siberia, as special guests.  The
local Polish Scouts and the Australian Veterans Association (RSL) are
interested in screenings for their groups.  So quite a success as far as
"getting the word out".

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How about a link to my Kresy site,
content so far is good but as I've said before you need Meta tags etc
I have some decent backgrounds if you want a sample let me know

Paul


At 17:54 09/26/2001 +1100, you wrote:

Please check out this site and let me know what you think about:
- Content
- Format
- Any other ideas for material or links?

Would any of you be interested in hosting a "Siberian" film evening showing
the "A Forgotten Odyssey" film in your home towns?  We did this last Friday
in Sydney for the local Polonia and our English-speaking guests (the movie
is in English) and it was a great success - very moving.

We had the Polish Consul there and politicians from State and Federal
levels, as well as actual survivors from Siberia, as special guests.  The
local Polish Scouts and the Australian Veterans Association (RSL) are
interested in screenings for their groups.  So quite a success as far as
"getting the word out".

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Australia

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Donald can you resend please, the result was unreadable on my email
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thank you

John

Hi Paul

I have been away a couple of days so haven't had time to do more to the
site.
The meta tags are a good idea.  I have relied on Stefan for content and
I've just crunched out the HTML.
If you have ideas on some meta tags/keywords I could incorporate into
the site that would be great.
Also what's the URL of your site for the links page

Steve

I would like to welcome Jerry Schneider to the group. Here is Jerry's story,
I hope that we can help him with his research.
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From: Jerry Schneider <jschneider@...>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:22:26 -0400

"At present, I am researching the families of my paternal grandfather who
resided primarily in Zolkiewka and Izbica, outside of Lublin.  This includes
the Shnaiderman and Roitman family lines. Although my grandfather and
grandmother emigrated to the U.S. in 1912/1914 respectively, most family
members remained in Poland and Russia and presumably died in the holocaust.

Family lore indicates that several family members were sent to Siberia
(specifically Zlatoust) during the period 1940-1941. Was Zlatoust one of the
cities where labor camps existed as identified by the Kresy-Siberia group?

One such relative was my paternal great aunt, Esther Rivka Shnaiderman
Graier, born in Izbica, moved to Warsaw with her husband Josef Graier in the
late-1920s and then moved Eastward to Bialystok after the initial Nazi
invasion in 1939. From there, both her, her husband and at least one son
Moshe (born in Warsaw in 1932) were relocated to Zlatoust where Esther Rivka
died.  We don't know what happened to the others.

Any information you can provide, suggestions as to where any records may
exist, or any other light you can shed on this request will be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you. - Jerry"
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From: "Adrian Nessel" <adriannessel@...>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:27:49 +0100

Here are my reasons for joining the group.

My father now deceased, Jozef Nessel originated from Lwow and
was involved in the September Uprising of 1939.  He was later imprisoned in
the Siberian prison camp system (no idea where) until 1942 when he joined
with General Anders and made his way to Palestine and the 8th Army.  He
later arrived in the UK in 1943 and transferred to the Parachute Brigade in
Scotland.  After the War he never returned home, but settled in Scotland
where he married and lived a full life.

I have been carrying out family history research for some 12 months now in
an attempt to learn more and to trace any remaining family in Poland.  As a
result of this research I made contact with the Polish Records Section of
the Home Office in London seeking information.  Among other things I was
told that in Poland my father was married to an Ewa Chudziak and that they
had a son Stanislaw who was born in 1940.  This has been a shock for us all
including my own mother so I have been concentrating a great deal of time in
developing this part of my research to confirm their existence and to
establish if they are still alive or not.  To date I have had no positive
results which suggest they are still alive.  For me it's important that I
locate records or information about Siberia and the camps in the hope of
establishing the truth.  Hopefully this site will assist me in my quest for
the truth.

Adrian Nessel
Scotland

Hi Paul

I have been away a couple of days so haven't had time to do more to the
site.
The meta tags are a good idea.  I have relied on Stefan for content and
I've just crunched out the HTML.
If you have ideas on some meta tags/keywords I could incorporate into
the site that would be great.
Also what's the URL of your site for the links page

Steve

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Hi steve

the url is www.kresy.co.uk
I've got a meta generator or I can do the tags manualy, I'll have a go tonight and send them on to you

Paul

At 18:58 09/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Paul

I have been away a couple of days so haven't had time to do more to the
site.
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From: Glenda Sajwaj <tesajwaj@...>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:31:54 -0400

My mother's father was born in Grodno province in 1889. He was a Laskowski,
and closely related were the Oszmain, Rudol, and Zudziejo (Zadziejo)
families. They lived in the Rohotna, Zdzieciol, Dworzec, and Slonim area.

After he emigrated to Kansas City, Kansas, via Galveston in 1910, contact
with the family in eastern Poland stopped.  We do not know the fate of the
family there.

I certainly appreciate your efforts to develop and to support this group.

Tom Sajwaj

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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:24 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome to Adrian Nessel

Welcome to Adrian Nessel.  I hope that through this group, she will find a
number of ways to get the information she seeks.
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From: "Adrian Nessel" <adriannessel@...>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:27:49 +0100

Here are my reasons for joining the group.

My father now deceased, Jozef Nessel originated from Lwow and
was involved in the September Uprising of 1939.  He was later imprisoned in
the Siberian prison camp system (no idea where) until 1942 when he joined
with General Anders and made his way to Palestine and the 8th Army.  He
later arrived in the UK in 1943 and transferred to the Parachute Brigade in
Scotland.  After the War he never returned home, but settled in Scotland
where he married and lived a full life.

I have been carrying out family history research for some 12 months now in
an attempt to learn more and to trace any remaining family in Poland.  As a
result of this research I made contact with the Polish Records Section of
the Home Office in London seeking information.  Among other things I was
told that in Poland my father was married to an Ewa Chudziak and that they
had a son Stanislaw who was born in 1940.  This has been a shock for us all
including my own mother so I have been concentrating a great deal of time in
developing this part of my research to confirm their existence and to
establish if they are still alive or not.  To date I have had no positive
results which suggest they are still alive.  For me it's important that I
locate records or information about Siberia and the camps in the hope of
establishing the truth.  Hopefully this site will assist me in my quest for
the truth.

Adrian Nessel
Scotland



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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
Kresy-Siberia group:

Recently Nazi victims of forced labour
were paid compensation by German
government and industry.  Do you
think that the families of the
deportees to Siberia should also get
any compensation for their loss of
land and period of forced labour
under the Soviets?

   o No, they have been compensated already
   o No, they lost that right when they didn't go back to Poland  after the War
   o No, it may not be just but we need to move on with the future
   o Maybe - but don't know how or from whoMaybe - I need to learn more about
this
   o Yes - from the countries of the former USSR
   o Yes - from Poland itself
   o Yes - but don't know how or from who


To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Thanks!

Greetings,

I am wondering whether the process of going to the group web
page and "registering" as a Yahoo Groups member in order to
see the poll and the messages is causing people any difficulty.

Please let me know and I may be able to help.  (perhaps you can
e-mail me directly not to clog up other people's inboxes!)

Regards,
Stefan