Stefan: I have been diligently reviewing all messages. I am still missing
some contact with the town of Busk and the village of Krasne where my friend
Henryk Birecki comes from. His story is the subject of  my book "Exiled to
Siberia" and I know he would be only too happy to find some contact. Klaus
Hergt.

From: "A. Menzies" <menzies@...>
My question is whether I need to write in Polish to the MEMORIAL Society in Moscow and to the KARTA Centre in Warsaw? Where would I look to find addresses for these? I have read so many articles from the links I have found on the Forgotten Odyssey site and am amazed that anyone could possibly survive such brutal conditions and treatment.

Anne Menzies

Hi Eve

The books don't seem to include any osady south of Wolyn. I don't know
if that means that there weren't any military settlements there or that
there aren't any survivors from there in England that could have
contributed articles. Any ideas Stefan or Paul?

(I am working on a list of Osady, will be ready one of these days.)
pozdrowienia
Elzunia Olsson

Please welcome Barb Kwietniowski to the group.  barb is Kathleen Brown's
cousin, and our families were "Osada-mates" in Warszawka (Brody).

Barb - thanks for writing a great introduction for other members.
--
Stefan Wisniowski

----------
From: "Barb Kwietniowski" <barbkwie@...>

My grandfather's name was Jozef Kurys.  His family was originally from the
Nisko area.  Due to his service in the first world war he received land, and
moved to Warszawka, a small village near Klekotow and Brody along with his
parents, Jan Kurys and Franciszka Oleksa .

There were six children
- Jozef 1899 - 1942,
- Maria 1901 - 1957,
- Aniela, 1904 - 1971,
- Valenty d.1994,
- Adam,
- Agnieszka, 1916

Before the second world war, Aniela emigrated to the U.S while Maria married
Joseph Klich and they emigrated to France leaving behind a son in the care
of his grandmother.  Jozef married Ludwika Piastka (1906 – 1982) whose
family was originally from Makow Podhalanski in south central Poland.  Her
parents were Jozef Piastka and Victoria Szczurek.  Jozef died and Victoria
remarried a man with the last name Wicherek.  They too lived in Warszawka.

Ludwika only had two sisters as far as we know, who both lived in Missouri.
Jozef and Ludwika had five children:   Tadeusz (my dad), Czeslaw, Kostek,
Cela and Roza.  My grandfather had been a soldier and worked for the KOP,
Korpus Ochrony Pogranicza, which likely led to his being included in the
first deportation to Siberia in February.

Jozef died of starvation in Taszkient, USSR and Ludwika was forced to leave
each of her children in turn, in various hospitals along the way, except for
Roza.  Amazingly each of the children survived and eventually were reunited
with their mother.

Ludwika with Cela and Roza were transported to Africa and the boys were in
Egypt in the cadets.  After the war, all of them lived in England,
originally in Melton Mowbray.

I'm sure that many of us heard stories of our family's experiences as we
grew up.  I wish that I had paid more attention to the details that are now
so difficult to piece together.  I am thrilled that the Internet has made it
possible for us to compare notes and access information.  I am also thrilled
to have "met" Stefan whose family is from the same small village.

Barbara Kwietniowski (Kurys)

Please welcome Romuald Lipinski, another survivor and veteran of the Polish
Army.  I found him in the guestbook of the 1st Ind. Polish Paras website!
--
Stefan Wisniowski
----------
From: <rlipinsk@...>

Yes, I would like to join this group. I don't have the film "Siberia-Anders"
but I have a film "General Anders i Jego Zolnierze".

I also have a lot of TV programs that I taped from TV. I was in the 12
Podolski Lancers Regiment and fought in Italy. Do you know anybody who was
deported to Barnaul, Altajski Kraj? That's is the place where I was deported
with my parents in 1941.
Greetings,
Romuald

************************************************************************
Name:    Romuald E. Lipinski

I want to repeat my comments/greetings that I sent in Polish. My brother,
Wladyslaw Lipinski, served in the Polish [Independant Parachutists] Brigade.
I tried to get there too but I was disqualified because of heart problem
after typhus in Siberia. Two of my frinds (Ryszard Dziewulak i Jerzy Schenk)
with whom we vounteered were accepted and served in the Brigade.

I would like to welcome Romuald Lipinski to the Group.  My grandfather's name was Wladyslaw Lipinski  who served in the army.  He married Stanislawa Kaminska and they had a farm on Osada  Hallerowa in Rowne, Wolyn. Eugenia, Edek, Zygmunt and Wladzia were their children's names. My Grandmother had a son, Mietek in a previous marriage.  Her husband died and then she remarried.  If this Wladyslaw is the same person this would mean that our family's are possibly related.

Welcome Romuald!

Sr. Christine Marie

 Stefan Wisniowski wrote:

Please welcome Romuald Lipinski, another survivor and veteran of the Polish
Army.  I found him in the guestbook of the 1st Ind. Polish Paras website!
--
Stefan Wisniowski
----------
From: <rlipinsk@...>

Yes, I would like to join this group. I don't have the film "Siberia-Anders"
but I have a film "General Anders i Jego Zolnierze".

I also have a lot of TV programs that I taped from TV. I was in the 12
Podolski Lancers Regiment and fought in Italy. Do you know anybody who was
deported to Barnaul, Altajski Kraj? That's is the place where I was deported
with my parents in 1941.
Greetings,
Romuald

************************************************************************
Name:    Romuald E. Lipinski

I want to repeat my comments/greetings that I sent in Polish. My brother,
Wladyslaw Lipinski, served in the Polish [Independant Parachutists] Brigade.
I tried to get there too but I was disqualified because of heart problem
after typhus in Siberia. Two of my frinds (Ryszard Dziewulak i Jerzy Schenk)
with whom we vounteered were accepted and served in the Brigade.



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<PRE>Welcome Romuald Lipinski. My name is Barbara Plecinoga. My grandfather's
name
was Wladyslaw Lipinski. He lived and died in Chicago, Illinois. He originally
came from Osada Hallerowa in Rowne, Wolyn. He married Stanislawa Kaminska
with a sone from (mietek) from a previous marriage. Her husband passed away.
She then had 4 more children with my grandfather. My mother, Eugenia and
sister, Wladzia, are still living. I was wondering if you might be related to
us. Please write, if possible, so that we might get to know one another. My
mother seems to think that there is no one left alive today after the war.
Bog Zaplac, Barbara Plecinoga                             P.S. My children
are doing a family tree and any information would be greatly appreciated.

I think it is definitely worth writing to the parish in Brody, but it is
possible that their records are in the Archdiocese of Lubaczów in any case
due to the wartime disruptions.

Lubaczów was one of the few RC church centres in former Kresy that stayed in
Poland after the war and so had the surviving records from all the eastern
parishes sent there.

But I can not confirm that anybody has had a response in the past.

Paul and other members  - do you have any information on that?
--
Stefan Wisniowski
> From: "Barb Kwietniowski" <barbkwie@...>
> Thank-you.
> I have been going through some of the information on your site and am
> finding it difficult.  To see the pictures and the names of so
> many.......and worse still is that genocide continues.
> I found the name of the church in Brody on the kresy/uk site.  Do you know
> if it is worth writing to them for baptism records?
> Barb

I do not know about Brody, but records from Lwow were in Warszawa Srodmiescie
many years ago, where I found my birth certificate.

Stanislaw Szybalski

Stephen Wisniowski wrote:

> I think it is definitely worth writing to the parish in Brody, but it is
> possible that their records are in the Archdiocese of Lubaczów in any case
> due to the wartime disruptions.
>
> Lubaczów was one of the few RC church centres in former Kresy that stayed in
> Poland after the war and so had the surviving records from all the eastern
> parishes sent there.
>
> But I can not confirm that anybody has had a response in the past.
>
> Paul and other members  - do you have any information on that?
> --
> Stefan Wisniowski
> > From: "Barb Kwietniowski" <barbkwie@...>
> > Thank-you.
> > I have been going through some of the information on your site and am
> > finding it difficult.  To see the pictures and the names of so
> > many.......and worse still is that genocide continues.
> > I found the name of the church in Brody on the kresy/uk site.  Do you know
> > if it is worth writing to them for baptism records?
> > Barb
>
>
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I don't know if it will be of interest, but i have added to my photo
album "Gazdowicz" a copy of my Great Grandfathers "Dowod Osobisty".
These papers were issued in Poland in 1936, my Grandfather brought
these papers with him to New Zealand. My Great Grandfather is on my
Mothers side of the family died in Siberia between 1940-42 (my mother
was to young to remember the exact date.

Kind regards Stan Gazdowicz in NZ.

What a wonderful and respectful idea the Memorial Wall
is.  I have had an e-mail from Eve telling me that she
has included my parent's names. The tears flowed, but
it makes me feel so good, to think that they will be
remembered.  They, like thousands of others suffered
so much.  I feel their pain.  Why? I ask myself this
question so many times. There are no answers.

I encourage those who can, to forward the names of
their loved ones to Eve. Let there be an everlasting
memorial to all those who suffered these indignities
and may they all be remembered with love and honour.

ELA KNIAZ

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Julia,
   Here is the photo you asked about.

      Cass

Symantec has a fix for bugbear on its web-site.

I have uploaded some pictures of my grandfather Jozef Kurys into the
Kwietniowski folder.  I believe that one is from the first world war
and the others are KOP pictures.  Jozef was near the Romanian border
and from the writing on the back, it would seem he was stationed in
Paniowiec, Borszczow, which would put him in the Czortkow Regiment.
The picture shows his squadron.  If anyone is familiar with the
uniforms and can confirm this, I would appreciate it.  Our family was
fortunate that Jozef mailed pictures to his sister, Aniela
(Kathleen's grandmother) who lived in the U.S. and she kindly gave
them to us in the 60's.
Barb K

Sally Boss of the Sarmatian Review has written to tell us about their
publication of the diaries of Zofia Ludwika Malachowska Ptasnik:

'A Polish Woman's Daily Struggle to Survive: Her Diary of Deportation,
Forced Labor, and Death in Kazakhstan: April 13, 1940-May 26, 1941"

Ptasnik perished in the Aktyubinsk Region of Kazakhstan, but her daily diary
was preserved by her son Mieczyslaw (now in Warszawa) and has now been
translated by Leszek M. Karpinski, and edited by John D. L. McIntosh, with
assistance from Bogdan Czaykowski and Kenneth Baulk .

Ptasnik's writings bring home not only the hardship, but also the
uncertainties about the fate of beloved family members that many of our
families endured.

They are being published by instalments.  The first three parts so far are
on the Sarmatian Review website at:

Part 1 (Jan 2002):  http://www.ruf.rice.edu/%7Esarmatia/102/221ptas.html

Part 2 (Apr 2002):  http://www.ruf.rice.edu/%7Esarmatia/402/222ptas.html

Part 3 (Sep 2002):  http://www.ruf.rice.edu/%7Esarmatia/902/223ptas.html

The Sarmatian Review, a triannual publication of the Polish Institute of
Houston, is a scholarly journal on the history, culture, and society of
Central and Eastern Europe, with strong attention to Poland, the post-Soviet
period, and American emigration and ethnic issues.

Recent issues have covered religion and state, the mass media, higher
education, literature, inter-ethnic relations, and government and politics.
The Sarmatian Review is published three times a year in January, April, and
September.
--

Stefan Wisniowski, Moderator

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From: Eve5J@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:40:39 EDT
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] THERE IS A VIRUS GOING AROUND--Vigiliance Is Needed!

Dear Group -
UPDATE YOUR ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE IMMEDIATELY.  
DO NOT DOWNLOAD AN EMAIL YOU MAY RECEIVE FROM
STEFAN WISNIOWSKI for he did not send this to you, the virus
did.  

This virus going around takes an address book and uses it as
a carrier.  It is called Bugbear, and it originated in Australia.  

The email I received from Stefan was very convincing.  It used
a Kresy-Siberia header and subject line.  This is the first time
that I was duped into downloading a virus!  I noticed that the
email address was not Stefan's and still I downloaded it.  
(This address was swisniowski@....  The
subject was:  [Kresy-Siberia] Paintings of Sybiracy). Thank
goodness my Norton Anti-virus software stepped in and
quarantined it immediately.

Do a system virus scan on your computers now and update
your software for the latest virus definitions.  Make sure all
attachments that you open are from an address known to you,
and that the person sending it to you informed you of this.      

Eve Jankowicz


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There have been lots of viruses in the past few weeks, some coming back from
Postmaster as undeliverable mail, always with attached files. Just don't
open anything you don't recognize. Other people I have talked to have been
having the same problems, not just in Kresy-Siberia group.

Barbara DAvoust

subj:    [Kresy-Siberia] Paintings of Sybiracy
Date: 10/6/2002 1:45:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: swisniowski@...

It was so convincing.  It was from swisniowski@... which I did not notice until after I had already begun to download it.

"Sometimes a picture is worth 1000 words. I would like to introduce you to
two galleries of paintings on the theme of the deportations and harsh labour
in the Soviet Gulags.

The first one is of the work of Eugeniusz Waniek (1933-1997), and is
available at http://www.curiositel.tm."

If I got duped by it, what about others?  I will inform the list.  Paul, now it is has been quarantined, and it said I should attempt to repair this item and return it to its original location.  Why should I repair it?  I don't want to see it!  Should I delete it?

Eve

Symantec has a fix for bugbear on its web-site.

I have uploaded some pictures of my grandfather Jozef Kurys into the
Kwietniowski folder.  I believe that one is from the first world war
and the others are KOP pictures.  Jozef was near the Romanian border
and from the writing on the back, it would seem he was stationed in
Paniowiec, Borszczow, which would put him in the Czortkow Regiment. 
The picture shows his squadron.  If anyone is familiar with the
uniforms and can confirm this, I would appreciate it.  Our family was
fortunate that Jozef mailed pictures to his sister, Aniela
(Kathleen's grandmother) who lived in the U.S. and she kindly gave
them to us in the 60's.
Barb K

Hi,
Thank you stefan and Micheal for your help. Some explanation:
Moskalewszczyzna was the very small village where my Grand-Father and
my Uncle were born, as well as some other members of my Father's
family. I know for sure it was in Lepel powiat beacuse I have some
writen documents about the history of the family and I found this
information there.

Jelno you found, Micheal, can not be the one I was looking for. My
grand-father build there a mill on the river Jelenka. It has to be in
the Wilenszczyzna, in the Hermanowicze, Braslaw, Miory, Glebokie
region because this is where my family was located during the period
between the wars.

Why I'm asking these questions? I'm writng a book about my Father and
I want to have as much information as possible. My Father was 24
years old when Hitler and Stalin attacked Poland, he
was "zmobilizowany do" 13 Wilenski Pulk Kawalerii, in 1939 was first
time disarmed by the Soviets, then "internowany" by Lithouanians,
then worked legally and illegaly in Wilno, in July 1944 second time
disarmed by the Soviets and finally was forced ("repatriacja") to
leave everything and move to Poland. He was an architect, lived in
Poland, France and Canada and was very unusual, highly talented,
incredibly honest person.

I spent a week this summer in Bialorus and Wilno trying to find
something from the past and had a very emotional encounters with
people and places.

Krystyna

Thank-you Paul.
The pictures are in Photos/Members/Kwietniowski.  One is called 3
szwadron and the other is called soldiers.  The resolution is not
great so if they are unclear let me know and I can rescan and re-
upload.
Barb K

--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Paul Havers <haverp@c...> wrote:
> My grandfather was also in the Czortkow Regiment as a reservist
> ha also served in the Ulhans as a volunteer before being demobed
and going
> on to reserve status
> if you'd care to send the photo I'll see what I can do
>
> Paul
>
> At 21:34 10/06/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >Symantec has a fix for bugbear on its web-site.
> >
> >I have uploaded some pictures of my grandfather Jozef Kurys into
the
> >Kwietniowski folder.  I believe that one is from the first world
war
> >and the others are KOP pictures.  Jozef was near the Romanian
border
> >and from the writing on the back, it would seem he was stationed in
> >Paniowiec, Borszczow, which would put him in the Czortkow Regiment.
> >The picture shows his squadron.  If anyone is familiar with the
> >uniforms and can confirm this, I would appreciate it.  Our family
was
> >fortunate that Jozef mailed pictures to his sister, Aniela
> >(Kathleen's grandmother) who lived in the U.S. and she kindly gave
> >them to us in the 60's.
> >Barb K
>
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Thank-you Paul.
The pictures are in Photos/Members/Kwietniowski.  One is called 3
szwadron and the other is called soldiers.  The resolution is not
great so if they are unclear let me know and I can rescan and re-
upload.
Barb K

--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Paul Havers <haverp@c...> wrote:
> My grandfather was also in the Czortkow Regiment as a reservist
> ha also served in the Ulhans as a volunteer before being demobed
and going
> on to reserve status
> if you'd care to send the photo I'll see what I can do
>
> Paul
>
> At 21:34 10/06/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >Symantec has a fix for bugbear on its web-site.
> >
> >I have uploaded some pictures of my grandfather Jozef Kurys into
the
> >Kwietniowski folder.  I believe that one is from the first world
war
> >and the others are KOP pictures.  Jozef was near the Romanian
border
> >and from the writing on the back, it would seem he was stationed in
> >Paniowiec, Borszczow, which would put him in the Czortkow Regiment.
> >The picture shows his squadron.  If anyone is familiar with the
> >uniforms and can confirm this, I would appreciate it.  Our family
was
> >fortunate that Jozef mailed pictures to his sister, Aniela
> >(Kathleen's grandmother) who lived in the U.S. and she kindly gave
> >them to us in the 60's.
> >Barb K

Stefan,
I have looked at the map of Brody in the files and have the following
problems:
1.  I have found Brody and Klekotow but cannot find Warszawka - I'm
told it would be spelled BAPWABKA.  Can you tell me its proximity to
Klekotow or Brody?  (My parents made me speak Polish but they didn't
think I would need Russian too!)
2.  I was hoping to save the map and possibly print the part that I
need, to show my dad but I can only manage to save the top left hand
corner.  Any suggestions?
3.  My dad says he will work on a list of the names he remembers as
residents of Warszawka and on a map of the village.
Barb K

--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...> wrote:
> The osady (settlements) around Brody were in the woj. Tornopol.
>
> I have uploaded a detailed map and satellite photo montage of the
Brody
> area, which locates both Ewa's Osada of Hallerczyn and mine (and
Barbara K
> and Kathleen's) of Warszawka.
>
> It is called Brody detail.ppt and is in the folder at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/files/Maps/
>
> By the way my father told me today that Warszawka was a "mixed'
settlement.
> It had an east-west road (to Radziwillów) where the military
veterans
> received land grants and a north-south road (between Brody and
Klekotów)
> where the civilians (like ours) purchased their plots.
> --
> Stefan Wisniowski
>
> Hi Eve
>
> The books don't seem to include any osady south of Wolyn. I don't
know
> if that means that there weren't any military settlements there or
that
> there aren't any survivors from there in England that could have
> contributed articles. Any ideas Stefan or Paul?
>
> (I am working on a list of Osady, will be ready one of these days.)
> pozdrowienia
> Elzunia Olsson

Hello  , I would like to ask the people in Persia who went on to
Canada ,which would have been the route they would have gone ? would
it have been into USA first then onto place of choice ? as I found a
Zofia Nebesny in Winnipeg the only one of that name sadly she only
speaks Polish , so I still dont know if she is Josef Nebesnys wife ,
so hoping to look for passenger lists to see if he was alone at that
time      Jannette

Please welcome Eddy Pieniazek to the group.

Eddy, I still have some family survivors living in Slough (Berks), where
there a large community of Polish exiles settled after the war.  Are you
connected at all with that Polish group?

Stefan Wisniowski

----------
From: "Eddy Pieniazek" <eddypieniazek@...>
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:35:59 +0000
To: swisniowski@...
Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia

My name is Eddy, I am based in Berkshire, UK, and my interests are in
exploring the events surrounding my mothers and grandmothers family (surname
Sobania), who were moved east from their lands in Targowice, Wolyn during
the war, and who then joined the 120,000 who were transferred via Tehran to
camps in Uganda (Masindi), before ending up in the UK.

Looking forward to participating in the group

Eddy

Please welcome Eddy Pieniazek to the group.

Eddy, I still have some family survivors living in Slough (Berks), where
there a large community of Polish exiles settled after the war.  Are you
connected at all with that Polish group?

Stefan Wisniowski

----------
From: "Eddy Pieniazek" <eddypieniazek@...>
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:35:59 +0000
To: swisniowski@...
Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia

My name is Eddy, I am based in Berkshire, UK, and my interests are in
exploring the events surrounding my mothers and grandmothers family (surname
Sobania), who were moved east from their lands in Targowice, Wolyn during
the war, and who then joined the 120,000 who were transferred via Tehran to
camps in Uganda (Masindi), before ending up in the UK.

Looking forward to participating in the group

Eddy

Hello Paul,
great to hear from you - I was going to contact you soon anyway as I
have recently come across your website, which is an awesome and
excellent effort.  I am in Wokingham, so I am probably a much nearer
neighbour than you thought!


I expect the group members have already discussed many of the topics
I hope to raise, and maybe already have many answers to the questions
I have.

I look forward to joining in.
Eddy


--- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Paul Havers <haverp@c...> wrote:
> Eddy
>
> We're kind of neighbours
>
> I live in Sandhurst, Berks
>
> Paul
>
> At 21:07 10/08/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >Please welcome Eddy Pieniazek to the group.
> >
> >Eddy, I still have some family survivors living in Slough (Berks),
where
> >there a large community of Polish exiles settled after the war.
Are you
> >connected at all with that Polish group?
> >
> >Stefan Wisniowski
> >
> >----------
> >From: "Eddy Pieniazek" <eddypieniazek@h...>
> >Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:35:59 +0000
> >To: swisniowski@p...
> >Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia
> >
> >My name is Eddy, I am based in Berkshire, UK, and my interests are
in
> >exploring the events surrounding my mothers and grandmothers
family (surname
> >Sobania), who were moved east from their lands in Targowice, Wolyn
during
> >the war, and who then joined the 120,000 who were transferred via
Tehran to
> >camps in Uganda (Masindi), before ending up in the UK.
> >
> >Looking forward to participating in the group
> >
> >Eddy
>
>
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Jannette:  to your question about "place of choice".... in my interviews
with a number of people, many indicated preference for the U.S. as the
paradise of their imaginations.  Few placed Canada as a priority, thinking
of it as stepping stone.  However, once here, contentment and community and
family life and jobs kept them here.  Helen.
Message: 1
    Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 09:52:34 -0000
    From: "jwinnik51" <janwinnik@...>
Subject: re  Winnipeg

Hello  , I would like to ask the people in Persia who went on to
Canada ,which would have been the route they would have gone ? would
it have been into USA first then onto place of choice ? as I found a
Zofia Nebesny in Winnipeg the only one of that name sadly she only
speaks Polish , so I still dont know if she is Josef Nebesnys wife ,
so hoping to look for passenger lists to see if he was alone at that
time      Jannette