Thank you Tadziu;
   Some pictures are still missing from the Konsulat web site. If you check one
picture is  a duplicate but of different date.
   I will search for our moms group picture at the Konsulat.
   Congratulations !! Finally!
   Take lots of pictures of his memorable occasion for you and your family.
   Krystyna Styrna-Buyukpinar


ted sebestianski <tsebestianski@...> wrote:
           Krystyno....
Yes they going to give that cross at SPK same way as your mother recived at the
embasy.
I osted those picture on Kresy-Album-you probably can get it.
Tadeusz
----- Original Message -----
From: Krystyna Styrna-Buyukpinar
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re:Siberian cross Krzyz Syberi

Tadziu;
Are you going to the Polish Consulat - Konsulat Generalny Rzeczpospolitej
Polskiej w Toronto, 2603 Lakeshore Blvd W., Toronto?

Czy wrecznie Krzyza Syberii bedzie tam jak dla naszej mamy. Our mother received
her Syberian Cross at that Consul in February of this year and not at her ZPK .

The Konsulat did not place any pictures or records for the year of 2007 as yet.
I know that they filmed and took photographs at that event. We were there with
our Mom.
Solemn celebration of handing the Siberian Deportee Crosses - 20/06/2006 as they
call them ;
http://www.torontokg.polemb.net/index.php?document=21

Main page for Consulate General of the Republic of Poland in English with many
document forms for our Polish use if needed
http://www.torontokg.polemb.net/index.php?document=40

and in Polish
http://www.torontokg.polemb.net/index.php?document=1

Ted ; I do hope this information helps a little
Pozdrawiam- Krystyna Styrna-Buyukpinar
Richmond Hill, ON

ted sebestianski <tsebestianski@...> wrote:
Hi Members..
Idid apply for that cross about 3 yeas ago-in 06 i been asking for some more
infor. my wife and a lot of people in Toronto in past couple years-
Finaly today i recived an invitacion fora party 89 years of polish independance
and with that note that i will recived my SIB.CROSS. so it cakes time,be
patience.
Ted

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HI ELZUNIA:

In case you'd be intersting in adding to the Group's
Gallery the Siberian Award I received, I am sending
via your private email, pictures of the Cross, the
Legitemacja and the Ambassador's letter - all of which
I put into shadow boxes.

Unfortunately, I was unable to receive the Award
personally in the Washington, DC Embassy as I was
invited to since we had another important celebration
scheduled for almost the same time - my husband's and
my 50th wedding anniversary.  So no newpaper
headlines, not even a mention - but what is important
to me, is that Poland recognized me as a Sybirak and
awarded me the Cross!!!  Though I must agree with many
others - it was my Parents who deserved it much more
so than I.  Were it not for them and the care they
enveloped me with throughout our ordeal and odyssey, I
would not be here today to receive this Award.

All the best
BOZENA - Florida, USA


--- Elizabeth Olsson <elzunia@...> wrote:

> We already have an album on the Gallery showing
> recipients of the
> Siberian Cross (I do still have some to upload)
> http://gallery.kresy-siberia.org/Siberian-Cross
>
>
> pozdrowienia
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>
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> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Video: Meet the brave Poles
> who survived
> Siberian death camps
>
> This is an article with a video of some Poles who
> received the Siberian
> Cross. It's dated July of this year, 2007.
>
> _Video: Meet the brave Poles who survived Siberian
> death camps -
> Peterborough Today_ (
>
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>
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> )
>
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> _
>
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My mother finally got hers, last autumn - but she had waited a couple of
years. Last I heard, when it comes to UK that is, the consul was
travelling around northern UK, giving out crosses there so the people
didn't have to travel to London. So the southern part of the country is
having to wait.

pozdrowienia
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ANTONI KAZIMIERSKI
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:02 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re:Siberian cross

Bozena, it is nice to hear that someone in the group received this
cross. I also sent an application to Polish Embassy in London about the
same time when we discussed it in the group, supporting it with various
documents, but so far no acknowledgement or the cross. It is a mystery!
Perhaps there is time yet, or they've run out of them.
antoni530

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Yes, evidence is needed and the application has to be approved first by
your local Polish organisation, like SPK, who send them on to the
Embassy/Consulate.

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[mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of richardwieksza
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:21 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Siberian Cross

Hi Bozena,Antoni and All,
To apply for the cross are certain documents needed?
I would like to help my father apply for the cross but we have no
documents at all.I have tried all the avenues that the group has
unearthed to find documentation and have had help from some of the
group members and associates but have yet to find one scrap of evidence
that my father existed apart from the fact he is sitting next to me.
Is it possible to just apply or is some form of evidence needed,my
guess is it will be needed
Richard Wieksza
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HI ELZUNIA:

Not to be contradictory, but I didn't have my
application approved by any Polish organization.  I
sent it directly to the Embassy in Washington, DC.

Could it be that different countries have different
requirements and time frame?  Judging from all the
correspondence on the subject, I received mine in an
unbelievably short time!!!

All the best
BOZENA - Florida, USA

--- Elizabeth Olsson <elzunia@...> wrote:

> Yes, evidence is needed and the application has to
> be approved first by
> your local Polish organisation, like SPK, who send
> them on to the
> Embassy/Consulate.
>
> pozdrowienia
> Elzunia Olsson
> Sweden
> Gallery Administrator
> http://www.kresy-siberia.org/photo.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
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> richardwieksza
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:21 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Siberian Cross
>
> Hi Bozena,Antoni and All,
> To apply for the cross are certain documents needed?
> I would like to help my father apply for the cross
> but we have no
> documents at all.I have tried all the avenues that
> the group has
> unearthed to find documentation and have had help
> from some of the
> group members and associates but have yet to find
> one scrap of evidence
> that my father existed apart from the fact he is
> sitting next to me.
> Is it possible to just apply or is some form of
> evidence needed,my
> guess is it will be needed
> Richard Wieksza
> England
>
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Hello Bozena,

You wrote about the cross in the plural.  Did you receive more than one then?
  I would like to receive the crosses of the deceased, but was told that this
is impossible.  In other words, since my father has died, I am out of luck.
Maybe not, Bozena?  Also I would like to get at least one other cross for my
brother.  I know he would appreciate it and thought that perhaps he could
receive the cross of my aunt who died in Siberia or that of one of my
grandparents.
I also thought that the application had to be put through a Polish combatants
association, so this is good news!

Best regards,
Eve
-----

HI CAROL, BARB and GROUP:

In answer to your comments, this is to let you know
that I personally applied for the Cross on 3/1/07 and
received it on - would you believe the date - 9/11/07
along with a beautiful letter from the Polish
Ambassador. I put each into a shadow-box that I
picked up at Michael's to preserve them - and I only
wish I could attach a picture of how great they look!

I sent my application directly to: Mrs. Malgorzata
Hacus-Stefianik who is the 2nd Secretary to the Polish
Embassy in Washington, DC. Her email address is:
_m.hacus@...._ (mailto:m.hacus@...)  I enclosed a lot of
documentation
proving that I indeed am a Siberian Deportee. Among
the documentation, I enclosed a copy of the "Polish
evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942" as well as the
"Red Cross list of Polish refugees sent to Africa and
beyond" which I got from our K-S Group files.

But to give credit where credit is due: I had help in
filling out the application from our own Aneta Hoffman
(_nitam@...@p_ (mailto:nitam@...) ) who, by the way,
along with her
husband Krzysztof is an excellent researcher and both
have helped me immensely in my quest for documents. I
can't say enough about their combined knowledge and
readiness to help those of us who, without them, would
be spinning our wheels.

I think it would also benefit our Group if all were
aware that the Hoffmans re-opened their travel agency
in Warsaw providing many services other agencies do
not. Do check out their web-site at:
www.terra-infinita.www.terra-infinita.<WBR>pl. At p
but even if you don't speak Polish, you will be
impressed with its' layout. An English version is in
the works and should be available soon!!!

I hope all the above information is helpful.

All the best
BOZENA - Florida, USA



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Maybe it’s because there aren’t so many Poles in Florida!
There are hundreds of thousands in the UK! The Embassy would be flooded!

They had the Polish organisations do the initial checks on the
applications, I know cos my Mum was responsible for some part of London.

pozdrowienia
Elzunia Olsson
Sweden
Gallery Administrator
http://www.kresy-siberia.org/photo.html


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of MARIE GAFFNEY
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:49 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Siberian Cross

HI ELZUNIA:

Not to be contradictory, but I didn't have my
application approved by any Polish organization. I
sent it directly to the Embassy in Washington, DC.

Could it be that different countries have different
requirements and time frame? Judging from all the
correspondence on the subject, I received mine in an
unbelievably short time!!!

All the best
BOZENA - Florida, USA

--- Elizabeth Olsson < elzunia@...
<mailto:elzunia%40alimail.net> > wrote:

> Yes, evidence is needed and the application has to
> be approved first by
> your local Polish organisation, like SPK, who send
> them on to the
> Embassy/Consulate.
>
> pozdrowienia
> Elzunia Olsson
> Sweden
> Gallery Administrator
> http://www.kresy-siberia.org/photo.html
<http://www.kresy-siberia.org/photo.html>
>
>
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> [mailto: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
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> richardwieksza
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:21 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Siberian Cross
>
> Hi Bozena,Antoni and All,
> To apply for the cross are certain documents needed?
> I would like to help my father apply for the cross
> but we have no
> documents at all.I have tried all the avenues that
> the group has
> unearthed to find documentation and have had help
> from some of the
> group members and associates but have yet to find
> one scrap of evidence
> that my father existed apart from the fact he is
> sitting next to me.
> Is it possible to just apply or is some form of
> evidence needed,my
> guess is it will be needed
> Richard Wieksza
> England
>
>
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HI EVE:

If I wrote in the plural, it was unintentional.  I
received one Cross, a Legitemacja and a Letter from
the Ambassador.

I too wanted a Cross for each of my Parents and did
ask Mrs. Hacus of the Polish Embassy in DC if they
would be eligible for the Cross - however, no such
luck.  And Aneta confirmed that by checking with the
Polish President's officein Warsaw.  Only those
Sybiracy living as of 1/1/04 (if I'm not mistaken) are
eligible to receive the Cross.

Like you, I'm very disappointed.  Would have loved to
have three - so that I could give one to each one of
my three children in rememberance of our Polish
tragedy.

As far as the Combatant's Association is concerned -
such approval was not required of me.  However, if you
have one close by you - it wouldn't hurt.

All the best
BOZENA - Florida, USA

--- Eve5J@... wrote:

> Hello Bozena,
>
> You wrote about the cross in the plural.  Did you
> receive more than one then?
>  I would like to receive the crosses of the
> deceased, but was told that this
> is impossible.  In other words, since my father has
> died, I am out of luck.
> Maybe not, Bozena?  Also I would like to get at
> least one other cross for my
> brother.  I know he would appreciate it and thought
> that perhaps he could
> receive the cross of my aunt who died in Siberia or
> that of one of my grandparents.
> I also thought that the application had to be put
> through a Polish combatants
> association, so this is good news!
>
> Best regards,
> Eve
> -----
>
> HI CAROL, BARB and GROUP:
>
> In answer to your comments, this is to let you know
> that I personally applied for the Cross on 3/1/07
> and
> received it on - would you believe the date -
> 9/11/07
> along with a beautiful letter from the Polish
> Ambassador. I put each into a shadow-box that I
> picked up at Michael's to preserve them - and I only
> wish I could attach a picture of how great they
> look!
>
> I sent my application directly to: Mrs. Malgorzata
> Hacus-Stefianik who is the 2nd Secretary to the
> Polish
> Embassy in Washington, DC. Her email address is:
> _m.hacus@...._ (mailto:m.hacus@...)  I
> enclosed a lot of
> documentation
> proving that I indeed am a Siberian Deportee. Among
> the documentation, I enclosed a copy of the "Polish
> evacuees from the USSR to Iran in 1942" as well as
> the
> "Red Cross list of Polish refugees sent to Africa
> and
> beyond" which I got from our K-S Group files.
>
> But to give credit where credit is due: I had help
> in
> filling out the application from our own Aneta
> Hoffman
> (_nitam@...@p_
> (mailto:nitam@...) ) who, by the way,
> along with her
> husband Krzysztof is an excellent researcher and
> both
> have helped me immensely in my quest for documents.
> I
> can't say enough about their combined knowledge and
> readiness to help those of us who, without them,
> would
> be spinning our wheels.
>
> I think it would also benefit our Group if all were
> aware that the Hoffmans re-opened their travel
> agency
> in Warsaw providing many services other agencies do
> not. Do check out their web-site at:
> www.terra-infinita.www.terra-infinita.<WBR>pl. At p
> but even if you don't speak Polish, you will be
> impressed with its' layout. An English version is in
> the works and should be available soon!!!
>
> I hope all the above information is helpful.
>
> All the best
> BOZENA - Florida, USA
>
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HI ELZUNIA:

Again, not to be argumentative - but I didn't go
through the Honorary Consulate in Miami, Florida but
through the Embassy in Washington, DC which handles
Polish business for all the States.  And obviously,
there must be thousands of us here just as there are
in the UK - Chicago alone is as if a Polish city in
itself!

Anyway, I did try to find a Combatant's Assoc. - but
in the end, I sent the application directly to the
Embassy.  Maybe I was just lucky to be able to omit
one step in the process.  And although it seemed to me
at first that I attached a lot of documentation, in
reality it wasn't all that much.  There again I was
very fortunate!  And to receive the Cross in six
months is incredible judging from all the comments I'm
reading insofar as the time frame is concerned!

Could it be that Polish organizations here are not as
informative to their constituents as maybe elsewhere
and that's why there may be less applicants (if indeed
it is so) for the Cross therefore the difference in
the time frame in which the Cross is awarded?  I know
that I am much better informed on Polish affairs
having joined this Group.  Whatever the answer is, I'm
just happy I'm in possession of such a treasure!

All the best
BOZENA - Florida, USA

--- Elizabeth Olsson <elzunia@...> wrote:

> Maybe it’s because there aren’t so many Poles in
> Florida!
> There are hundreds of thousands in the UK! The
> Embassy would be flooded!
>
> They had the Polish organisations do the initial
> checks on the
> applications, I know cos my Mum was responsible for
> some part of London.
>
> pozdrowienia
> Elzunia Olsson
> Sweden
> Gallery Administrator
> http://www.kresy-siberia.org/photo.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> MARIE GAFFNEY
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:49 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Siberian Cross
>
> HI ELZUNIA:
>
> Not to be contradictory, but I didn't have my
> application approved by any Polish organization. I
> sent it directly to the Embassy in Washington, DC.
>
> Could it be that different countries have different
> requirements and time frame? Judging from all the
> correspondence on the subject, I received mine in an
> unbelievably short time!!!
>
> All the best
> BOZENA - Florida, USA
>
> --- Elizabeth Olsson < elzunia@...
> <mailto:elzunia%40alimail.net> > wrote:
>
> > Yes, evidence is needed and the application has to
> > be approved first by
> > your local Polish organisation, like SPK, who send
> > them on to the
> > Embassy/Consulate.
> >
> > pozdrowienia
> > Elzunia Olsson
> > Sweden
> > Gallery Administrator
> > http://www.kresy-siberia.org/photo.html
> <http://www.kresy-siberia.org/photo.html>
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> > [mailto: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com> ]On Behalf
> Of
> > richardwieksza
> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:21 PM
> > To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Siberian Cross
> >
> > Hi Bozena,Antoni and All,
> > To apply for the cross are certain documents
> needed?
> > I would like to help my father apply for the cross
> > but we have no
> > documents at all.I have tried all the avenues that
> > the group has
> > unearthed to find documentation and have had help
> > from some of the
> > group members and associates but have yet to find
> > one scrap of evidence
> > that my father existed apart from the fact he is
> > sitting next to me.
> > Is it possible to just apply or is some form of
> > evidence needed,my
> > guess is it will be needed
> > Richard Wieksza
> > England
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Group unless I am totally mistaken Article 1 and 2 specifically states;
   1) Cross is awarded to persons;  who were Polish citizens deported between
1939-1956 to Siberia to Kazakhstan and  to Northern Russia, who were Polish
citizens as well to those children who were  born there.

   2) This cross is awared to those who were alive on the day of Ustawa LAW on
January 1, 2004. Then if any of your family members were still alive on that
date I do not understand why they would be disqualified.

   3) And to those who  may  now have other than Polish current citizenship or
reside outside of Poland will be undertaken by the Foreign Minister.

   4) Also important   The Syberian Survivor Cross is a Civilian Recognition and
it is totally FREE OF CHARGE.

   I hope it helps someone  a little. I am not aware of any nuances to this
Ustawa/Law since the date of this issue.

   Pozdrawiam Krystyna Styrna-Buyukpinar


    http://ks.sejm.gov.pl/proc4/ustawy/530_u.htm


Dz.U. z 2003 r. Nr 225, poz. 2230
U S T A W A                           z dnia 17 paŸdziernika 2003 r.
o ustanowieniu Krzy¿a Zes³añców Sybiru
Art. 1.  Ustanawia siê Krzy¿ Zes³añców Sybiru, jako wyraz narodowej pamiêci o
obywatelach  polskich deportowanych w latach 1939-1956 na Syberiê, do
Kazachstanu i pó³nocnej  Rosji, w ho³dzie dla ich mêczeñstwa oraz wiernoœci
idea³om wolnoœci i  niepodleg³oœci.                                         Art.
2.  1. Krzy¿ Zes³añców Sybiru, zwany dalej "Krzy¿em", jest nadawany osobom,
które w    chwili deportacji posiada³y obywatelstwo polskie oraz dzieciom
  tych osób    urodzonym na zes³aniu.  2. Krzy¿ mo¿e byæ nadawany równie¿ osobom,
które wiêzione w ³agrach, obozach i    miejscach zsy³ek jako obywatele polscy, w
chwili nadawania im Krzy¿a,    posiadaj¹ obywatelstwo innego pañstwa.  3. Krzy¿
jest nadawany osobom ¿yj¹cym w dniu wejœcia ustawy w ¿ycie.
Art. 3.  1. Krzy¿ nadaje Prezydent Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej na wniosek ministra
w³aœciwego do spraw zabezpieczenia spo³ecznego.  2. Wniosek o nadanie Krzy¿a
osobie nie posiadaj¹cej obywatelstwa polskiego lub    zamieszka³ej stale za
granic¹ przedstawia Prezydentowi Rzeczypospolitej    Polskiej minister w³aœciwy
do spraw zagranicznych.  3. Ministrowie, o których mowa w ust. 1 i 2,
przedstawiaj¹ wnioski z w³asnej    inicjatywy lub z inicjatywy zwi¹zków i
stowarzyszeñ kombatanckich.                                         Art. 4. 
Osoba odznaczona otrzymuje nieodp³atnie odznakê nadanego jej Krzy¿a i 
legitymacjê.
                 Art. 5.  1. Odznak¹ Krzy¿a jest krzy¿ równoramienny wykonany z
metalu, srebrzony i    oksydowany. Wymiar krzy¿a wynosi 40 mm. Ramiona krzy¿a s¹
w obramowaniu. W    œrodku krzy¿a na dwóch skrzy¿owanych z³oconych mieczach,
skierowanych ostrzem    w dó³, umieszczona jest czerwono emaliowana tarcza
herbowa z or³em wed³ug    wzoru okreœlonego w ustawie z dnia 9 lutego 1990 r. o
zmianie przepisów o    godle, barwach i hymnie Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej (Dz.U.
z 1990 r, Nr 10,    poz. 60). Tarcza otoczona jest z trzech stron zerwanym
³añcuchem. Na    odwrotnej stronie Krzy¿a, na œrodku umieszczony jest
dwuwierszowy napis    "ZES£ACOM  SYBIRU".  2. Krzy¿ zawieszony jest na zielonej
wst¹¿ce szerokoœci 40 mm z pionowym    bia³oczerwonym paskiem poœrodku o
szerokoœci 18 mm.  3. Wzór rysunkowy odznaki Krzy¿a stanowi za³¹cznik do ustawy.
Art. 6.  Prezydent Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej, w drodze rozporz¹dzenia, okreœli:
1)
  szczegó³owy tryb postêpowania w sprawach o nadanie Krzy¿a z      
uwzglêdnieniem terminów przedk³adania wniosków oraz wrêczania odznak      
nadanego ju¿ Krzy¿a, tryb postêpowania w przypadku podjêcia przez      
Prezydenta Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej decyzji o pozbawieniu Krzy¿a lub jego      
utraty w wyniku orzeczenia przez s¹d kary pozbawienia praw publicznych      
oraz tryb postêpowania w przypadku zgubienia lub zniszczenia odznaki      
Krzy¿a lub jego legitymacji;     2) wzory: wniosku o nadanie Krzy¿a, wykazu
przedstawianych wniosków,       legitymacji potwierdzaj¹cej nadanie Krzy¿a oraz
jej wtórnika;     3) sposób i okolicznoœci noszenia Krzy¿a.
Art. 7.  W sprawach nie uregulowanych w niniejszej ustawie stosuje siê przepisy
ustawy z  dnia 16 paŸdziernika 1992 r. o orderach i odznaczeniach (Dz.U. Nr 90,
poz. 450,  z 1999 r. Nr 101, poz. 1177, z 2000 r. Nr 62, poz. 718 oraz z 2002 r.
Nr 74,  poz. 676), z wyj¹tkiem art. 8.
                                       Art. 8.  Ustawa wchodzi w ¿ycie z dniem 1
stycznia 2004 r.

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Dear All,
I  received my Siberian Cross  in Poland, Koszalin on September 6,
2006.  It  was arranged in the office of the President of Koszalin.
My mother used to live in Koszalin, where she worked as a physician (Dr.
Maria Tomaszewska-Gurtler) after her return from Russia in 1954 (lager
in Czelabinsk from  1943 to 1953).  We were deported ( mother,
grandmother and myself as 2 years old) from Nowogrodek on April 13,
1940.  Train was waiting for us  in Baranowicze.  My mother passed away
in 2001.  We were members of Koszalin chapter of  Zwiazek Sybirakow. I
am still member of this group.  My application was submitted by chapter
Koszalin to the Main office of Zwiazek Sybirakow in Warsaw.
I attached three pictures 1) I am  receiving Cross from President of
Koszalin, 2) group who attended this ceremony, 3) in the front of the
Sybirak Monument in Koszalin, Poland with former Senator Mrs.
Cwojdzinska and present Senator Pawel Michalak from Koszalin.  There was
also young man who received Krzyz Sybirakow for his mother who was in
the hospital or bed ridden.
Receiving cross are only those who were alive after official  document
was released in January 12, 2004. (Cross Rules in Polish) I attached
also blank form -application.
Best regards to All, Serdeczne pozdrowienia dla wszystkich.
Elzbieta Gurtler-Krawczynska
Atlanta, Georgia, in USA since 1984 ( returned from Russia to Poland  in
1946 with grandmother)

  From Antoni Kazimierski
Bozena, it is nice to hear that someone in the group received this
cross. I also sent an application to Polish Embassy in London about the
same time when we discussed it in the group, supporting it with various
documents, but so far no acknowledgement or the cross. It is a mystery!
Perhaps there is time yet, or they've run out of them.
antoni530

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Dear Lucyna,

You are quite right.  When my mother arrived in New Zealand with over 700 other
refugee children (many orphans like herself) in late 1944, having survived the
hell that was Soviet Kazakhstan, a publication called "The Weekly News" printed
a photo of  a group of them (including her), and the caption read (in part): 
"After being driven from their homes in Eastern Poland by the German invasion to
temporary asylum in Russia and Persia..."  Censorship forbade the truth being
told, as the Soviets were on the Allies' side.  The censors of course suppressed
the fact that at the time of the German invasion, the Soviets perpetrated an
invasion of their own, as loyal allies of the Nazis.  Decades later, in 2006, in
the same country, but this time in a different paper, as the title reveals, the
truth is still being twisted, albeit more subtly.

Pozdrawiam,

Zenon Kuzik
Nowa Zelandia

----- Original Message ----
From: Lucyna Artymiuk <lucyna.artymiuk@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:17:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] A cross to wear for atrocities of war - Rotorua
Daily Post - 2006-07-04














             I disagree with thte title - this wasn't an atrocity of war - this
was

GENOCIDE - the people werent military and this wasn't a military action.

These were men women and children and the action of the Soviets did not fit

in anywhere within the boundaries of legitimate military or war movements



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Dear Elzbieta,
thank you for sending the details of your KS Cross. It is extremely interesting.
Actually the interest is in the fact that your mother did not return/came out of
Russia till 1954 from a lager near Czelabinsk; why was it that late? What was
the name of the camp?
I also come from Baranowicze area - from Poloneczka, nr Wolna- a little East of
Baranowicze.
antoni530

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http://www.polonica.net/Lista_Polskich_Dzieci_deportowanych_3.htm



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http://www.polonica.net/Lista_Polskich_Dzieci_deportowanych_2.htm



http://www.polonica.net/Lista_Polskich_Dzieci_deportowanych_1.htm



http://www.polonica.net/Lista_Polskich_Dzieci_deportowanych_4.htm



http://www.polonica.net/Lista_Polskich_Dzieci_deportowanych_5.htm







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Dear Lucyna,

Dziekuje bardzo for providing these links; I not only found my mother's name on
http://www.polonica.net/Lista_Polskich_Dzieci_deportowanych_1.htm , but also
those of many Polish friends we had, and have, in NZ.

You're a gem!  Keep posting those interesting articles from various publications
around the world - I haven't seen many lately.

All good wishes,

Zenon Kuzik
EnZed

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To: Lucyna Artymiuk <lucyna.artymiuk@...>
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 9:19:38 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] more lists of deported children














             http://www.polonica .net/Lista_ Polskich_ Dzieci_deportowa
nych_2.htm



http://www.polonica .net/Lista_ Polskich_ Dzieci_deportowa nych_1.htm



http://www.polonica .net/Lista_ Polskich_ Dzieci_deportowa nych_4.htm



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The lists may be useful however the group which posted them have their own
agenda


See my other posting and Elzunias observations

I am still chasing articles but send them to a limited group

If you want to be on the list let me know

Regards from across the Tasman

Lucyna


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Poland's former defense minister on BBC World's "Have Your Say"

29.10.2007

Poland has to be a co-author of the European Union eastern policy, said
Rados³aw Sikorski, former Polish defense minister and possibly a future
minister in the cabinet of Donald Tusk,  probably the new Prime Minister.

Rados³aw Sikorski was the guest at the "Have Your Say" program on BBC world,
where politicians are asked questions by viewers from all over the world.

In the opinion of Poland's former defense minister, Russia has not yet dealt
with the post-imperial shock, and this is the perspective through which
Moscow's behavior should be interpreted. Still, Poland should maintain good
relations with Russia, especially since Poland has important interests in
the EU, which may impact Russia.

Answering a question about the missile defense shield, the Polish politician
said that the deal has not been concluded definitely. He stressed that this
issue is mostly a matter of NATO, not the EU and that Washington is a
military and political ally of Poland.

Asked about the Polish presence in Iraq, Sikorski said that if Poland is to
reduce its contingent, it will happen not the Spanish, but the British way,
that is gradually and in cooperation with allies the government of Iraq.





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Elzunia picked up something which I should have checked before sending those
childrens list



All I saw was the lists and didn't go to the home page --  these appear to
be SUPER patrioci of a particular undesireable type (according to me anyway)



Definitely not MY TYPE



My apologies to all



This is contrary to my personal beliefs



Thanks or picking it up



A major faux pas on my part





Lucyna

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In Russia's shadow


The rebels of Red Square


Nov 1st 2007
From Economist.com


Our diarist remembers eight Soviet freedom-fighters



Thursday


THE Tallinn military cemetery is home to Estonia’s most controversial
statue, the Bronze Soldier. A Soviet-era war memorial, originally in the
centre of Tallinn, it replaced one blown up by in 1946 by Aili Jurgenson,
then 14, and Ageeda Paavel, 15. Both girls then spent many years in the
Gulag. It epitomised the view that the Soviets “liberated” Estonia
(Estonians themselves reckon they replaced one occupation with another).

In April, for a mixture of reasons, good and bad, the Estonian authorities
decided to move it to the cemetery, prompting rioting by some local Russians
in Tallinn and a spectacularly counterproductive temper tantrum by the
Kremlin.

AFP The Bronze Soldier in a quiet moment

Except for the lack of any public information (the Occupation Museum should
organise a notice board showing the cemetery’s layout and history) the
monument’s new setting is perfect.

The Estonian war memorials and tombstones destroyed by the Soviet occupants
have now been rebuilt, and stand next to hundreds of Red Army headstones set
in neatly mown grass. Small black slabs mark a score of British casualties
in the War of Independence of 1918-1920 (when the Royal Navy helped Estonia
fight off both the Germans and the Russians).

After the Soviets had destroyed the British headstones and ordered that the
ground be turned over for new graves, the cemetery attendant of the time,
the late Linda Soomre, pluckily camouflaged it with piles of swept leaves.
The remains, forgotten, stayed undesecrated. Soomre received the Order of
the British Empire from Queen Elizabeth II in 1994 and died two years later.

An anonymous Latvian (or Latvians) showed similar spirit, safeguarding the
brass nameplate of the prewar British legation in Riga for 50 years. In
1992, when the embassy reopened, someone walked in off the street, left it
with a receptionist, but gave no name. A warm thank you is waiting if they
get in touch.

A tasteful cemetery alone will not save Estonia. The current approach of
smug passivity is a recipe for disaster. Policy towards Russia and local
Russians needs pepping up, urgently. One new idea is to raise money to
restore the cemetery in the Russian town of Ivangorod, a town that was part
of Estonia in the prewar era. It is thus the only big cemetery in the
Russian Federation that was not part of the Soviet Union during the 1920s
and 1930s. It contains the graves of some distinguished White Russian
émigrés, who wanted to be buried as close to their homeland as possible.
Many are in shameful disrepair.

A wider plan—suggested by Anne Applebaum—is to highlight positive aspects of
Russian history that the Kremlin ignores, such as the fact that it was
Russian dissidents in the 1960s who invented the modern human-rights
movement. A good place to start would be proper commemoration of the heroic
but largely forgotten handful who demonstrated against the Soviet-led
invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.

Just for the record (and for the 40th anniversary next year): on August 25th
1968 Tatyana Baeva, Konstantin Babtsky, Larisa Bogoraz, Vadim Delaunay,
Vladimir Dremluga, Viktor Fainberg, Natalya Gorbanevskaya and Pavel Litvinov
assembled in Red Square with a Czechoslovak flag and banners reading “For
your freedom and ours” and “Glory to free and independent Czechoslovakia”.

They were arrested within minutes. Bogoraz was sentenced to four years in
Siberia and became chairman of the Moscow Helsinki Group in 1989. She died
in 2004. Delaunay was sentenced to two years in a labour camp. He emigrated
to France in 1975 and died in 1983. Mr Litvinov was sentenced to five years
exile in Chita. He emigrated to America in 1973 and still lives there.
Viktor Fainberg was pronounced insane and spent five years in psychiatric
hospital. It is nice that Tom Stoppard’s “Every Good Boy Deserves Favour” is
dedicated to him. But a more comprehensive memorial would be well-deserved.

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Wednesday


AT A conference session in Tallinn, chaired by your diarist, the big donors
who support good causes in eastern Europe were puzzling over the question of
whether it was better to train lawyers and journalists, to hand out grants
to charities and campaigns, or to promote “democracy” explicitly.

Given that President Vladimir Putin calls himself a pure democrat (comparing
himself in all seriousness to Mahatma Gandhi), it is clear that the word
risks losing its meaning. Some might think that happened some years back.
The Soviet-occupied zone of eastern Germany declared itself to be the
“German Democratic Republic”. The monsters in Pyongyang call their
slave-state the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”.

AFP Tallinn, survivor city

Democracy also has specific (and largely negative) connotations in Russia.
The myth assiduously stoked by the Kremlin is that the anarchy of the
Yeltsin era proved that Western-style “democracy” (meaning a multi-party
parliamentary system) did not work in Russia. Indeed, Russians sometimes use
the punning term “dermokratiya” (shitocracy) to express their distaste for
the looting and weakness that those years have come to epitomise. Worse, the
costly failure in Iraq has discredited, in many eyes at least, the whole
idea of “democracy promotion”. Pushing that hard in Russia risks backfiring.

So maybe it would be better to use other terms: the rule of law, political
freedoms, environmental awareness, public spiritedness (or in the jargon
term, “civil society”). It is, after all, not what happens at elections that
counts, but what goes on in-between them. Elections can only be rigged
successfully when public and private institutions are too weak to object.
“Democracy” alone does not prevent mob rule, winner-takes-all sectarian
rivalries, and the rewarding of campaign contributions from the political
pork barrel.

The discussion ended, appropriately, with a vote. But this being Estonia,
home of e-government, it was no mere show of hands. Linnar Viik, Estonia’s
internet guru, coached the donors in how to use handheld black gadgets that
he described as “Estonian comfort pillows: small and hard”. These allow the
moderator to pose impromptu questions and get instant feedback from the
audience. The result, projected on a big screen: democracy won, but only
just.

Across the corridor Anne Applebaum, the author of “Gulag”, was in full
swing. Her Estonian publishers had not bothered to sell copies at her talk;
everyone has read it already, they say. That may be true: “Gulag” has been a
big hit in the Baltic states. Afterwards, Ms Applebaum and your diarist (who
were both Economist stringers in eastern Europe in the late 1980s) headed to
the Occupation Museum. On the site of what used to be the Soviet military
headquarters in Tallinn, this is a model of its kind, and all the more
powerful for the restraint it shows. Visitors are not bombarded with tales
of suffering and heroism, but left to infer them from the images and
artifacts on display. A dozen cabinets, each with a trilingual video
display, tell the story of what seemed to be inevitable national extinction.

“It was the West’s failure to support the Hungarian uprising in 1956 that
really broke morale. People realised that the white ships were not coming”.
Mart Laar, an historian by training before he ran governments that
introduced Estonia (and the world) to flat tax and e-government, has
arrived. He and Ms Applebaum have long admired each other from afar: face to
face for the first time, they got on famously. This was most gratifying to
your diarist, who arranged the meeting. Before taking us to lunch, Mr Laar
pointed out tiny, fabric patches in faded blue, black and white fabric:
banned Estonian flags, made by Gulag inmates and kept as talismans even at
the risk of hellish punishment if caught.

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Tuesday


FIVE years ago London was no place to be a Russia specialist. These days the
meetings and cabals are so plentiful that, if you are an anti-Kremlin voice,
you get unlimited coffee and biscuits; if you are pro, you get caviar and
champagne.

The subject of the morning seminar at which your diarist spoke recently was,
“What should the West do about a resurgent Russia?” The likely answer is
“nothing”. But old cold-war hawks are finding that their beaks and talons,
once dismissed as anachronistic, are back in fashion. Ideas that would have
seemed outlandish only a couple of years ago are discussed seriously:
suspend Russia from the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe
(PACE), ban “Kremlin Inc” from Western capital markets, end the farce of the
G-8 meetings, crack down on visas, and so on.

AFP Meaningless in any language

A senior Conservative foreign-policy figure at the meeting took another
line, floating the idea of a grand bargain. The West should give Russia a
guaranteed say in the future of Ukraine and Georgia (along the lines of
post-war Austrian neutrality) in return for co-operation on Iran. He did
not, quite, use the word appeasement.

“Are British Conservative politicians working for the Kremlin, or are they
just stupid?” A few hours later the discussion was over a lively liquid
late-evening seminar in Tallinn with a bunch of worried Russia-watchers. It
is damaging enough that the British Conservatives have such neurotic hangups
about the European Union, explained a gloomy top official. But now they are
going to put in a former KGB man as head of PACE.

PACE is a misleading moniker. The assembly should really be called DRAG. It
is a talking-shop even less relevant to the continent’s future than the
European Parliament. But it sounds important, and having the top spot will
be a most useful pulpit for the Kremlin to denounce Europe for its
hypocrisy, arrogance, weakness, Atlanticism, greed, malevolence and general
failure to follow the constructive, reasonable and disinterested policies of
the former German chancellor, Gerhard Schröder.

The reason for this bizarre behaviour by the British Tories is chiefly their
phobia about co-operation with the continental Christian Democrats
(dangerous federalists to a man). In the European Parliament the Tories are
joined with the Christian Democrats in a loveless marriage called the
European People’s Party. The chief reason for the Tories staying in is the
perks they would lose if they went off on their own.

If one is being charitable, another reason may be the embarrassment some of
them might feel by sitting alongside the nutters and deadbeats of the
parliament’s right-wing fringe. But in PACE they have more options. There
the Tories are in another grouping of right-wing parties, the European
Democrats, of which the biggest member is the United Russia. That party’s
list of candidates for the December parliamentary elections is headed by
Vladimir Putin.

The PACE presidency is usually allocated on the basis of rotation between
the parties (yes, honestly). Now it is the European Democrats’ turn. That is
excellent news for Mikhail Margelov, the grouping’s candidate. A former KGB
language instructor, highly articulate in both English and Arabic, he is a
formidable representative for the Kremlin in any international forum. His
likely victory is less good news for the Baltic states and Georgia, which
already feel that they are on the sharp end of Russian propaganda attacks
(and more besides).

The gloom of a Tallinn winter evening deepened over the assembled Swedes,
Finns, Balts and exiled Russians as they heard news of the morning seminar
in London. “Would a British Conservative government support our NATO
application if the Russians objected?” asked a plaintive voice from a
neutral country. Once you start making grand bargains, they may become a
habit. Conversation then became detailed and revealing on the similarities
between the Saudi and Russian approach to subsidising allies and
neutralising critics. Names were named, but English libel laws do not permit
their publication.

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THE Old Theatre at the London School of Economics is a hotspot for
demagoguery. Fiery student orators have honed their rhetoric there before
going on to jobs in investment banking; mobs denouncing dictatorship have
hounded hapless visiting speakers from the podium.

Notoriously poorly ventilated, the air can be thick with everything from the
smell of wet clothes (LSE is too cramped to provide a convenient cloakroom)
to flurries of paper darts directed at speakers that the audience finds
boring or annoying. On one memorable occasion, a gigantic inflated condom
came floating down from the gallery to disconcert a notoriously adulterous
politician who was trying to give a talk on privatisation.

AFP Reports of Litvinenko's death “greatly exaggerated”, say Russians

In 1980, when your diarist arrived there as an undergraduate, it was gripped
by the issue of Soviet beastliness at home and abroad. At one end of the
political spectrum were the ardent anti-communists, soon to be reinforced by
refugees from martial law in Poland. They denounced the persecution of
Soviet Jews, collected signatures for Czechoslovakia’s Charter 77, and
celebrated the West’s renaissance under Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.


At the other end were the Spartacists, a weird group of Stalinist
Trotskyists (yes, you did read that correctly), whose slogans included
“Workers’ bombs are bombs for peace! Capitalist bombs are bombs for war!”
and “Smash NATO, defend the Soviet Union!”



A slightly less bonkers approach by the Kremlin’s useful idiots was to match
every Soviet crime with a real or imagined western one. It was called
“whataboutism”: “So you object to Soviet interventions in eastern Europe?
Then what about the American assault on the Nicaraguan Sandinistas?” “You
mind about Soviet Jews? Then what about blacks in South Africa?”

So an evening debate on the death of Russian press freedom (where your
diarist was putting the case for the prosecution) produced a sense of déjà
vu. Two Russian journalists, putting the case for the defence, centred their
case not on the rights and wrongs of Russia’s laws on extremism, but on the
shortcomings of the British media for superficiality, double-standards, and
craven obedience to its political and commercial masters. How dare we
criticise Russian public broadcasting after the way the BBC had bowed to
government pressure on so many occasions? Had not the newspaper coverage of
the Litvinenko murder been a farrago of exaggeration, misunderstanding and
hypocrisy?

Well perhaps it had. But the debate was about Russia. The shortcomings of
the British press are widely discussed, not least by its own journalists;
though it gets most things wrong most of the time, the errors are not
directed by weekly meetings at Number 10, Downing Street at which a prime
ministerial aide lays down the line to take in the comings days.

Soviet propagandists’ overuse of “whataboutism” provided the punchline for
subversive jokes. For example: A caller to a phone-in on the (fictitious)
Radio Armenia asks, “What is the average wage of an American manual worker?”
A long pause ensues. (The answer would have been highly embarassing to the
self-proclaimed workers’ paradise, which was proving to be lots of work and
no paradise). Then the answer comes: “u nich linchuyut negrov” [over there
they lynch Negroes]. By the late 1980s, that had become the derisive
catchphrase that summed up the whole bombastic apparatus of the Soviet
propaganda machine.

Yet “whataboutism” attracted vocal support from some parts of the audience.
A student from Pakistan passionately denounced democracy as a sham. Someone
from Malaysia praised the Kremlin for standing up to America. A bearded Brit
came up with a predictable, “Who are we to judge?”.

Others, including what seemed (from their accents) to be a good sprinkling
of Russians, disagreed, denouncing the Kremlin line and bemoaning the loss
of media pluralism (not quite the same as freedom, but still worth having)
since the Yeltsin years. Most did not give their names before speaking. “The
embassy is watching us” explained one of them afterwards. Plus ça change.





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Hello group,
   Can anyone help with the ages of the Deported Polish children please
  I am a bit of a novice & do find it rewarding no matter how little it
  helps in my endevour to find my late husband & family's terrible train
journey & where they were taken to in  Siberia.
  i have had tremendous help from our good friend Antoni but trying not
to be a nuisance & use this little brain a bit more before the 'senior
moments' creep in.
   Thanking anyone who can help me.
     Bye' Cynthia Pukiello.

I notice that the lists are not complete. My brother and sister are not there;
they were in Iran , India and Rhodesja. Some more friends - Hacillo and
Kuzmicz-are not there either.
antoni530

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Cynthia,

Age was not a consideration with deportation. Sadly it was this group
and the elderly that first showed a very high mortality rate. Many
babies did not survive the conditions on the train to Siberia. If they
did survive I read of the mothers breast feeding them to keep them
alive, but this had a negitive impact on the health of the mothers as
they were already deprived and starving.

I hope this helps,Carol Celinska Dove



--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "cynthia134461"
<cynthiapukiello22@...> wrote:
>
> Hello group,
>   Can anyone help with the ages of the Deported Polish children please
>  I am a bit of a novice & do find it rewarding no matter how little
it
>  helps in my endevour to find my late husband & family's terrible
train
> journey & where they were taken to in  Siberia.
>  i have had tremendous help from our good friend Antoni but trying
not
> to be a nuisance & use this little brain a bit more before the 'senior
> moments' creep in.
>   Thanking anyone who can help me.
>     Bye' Cynthia Pukiello.
>

Group,

I have not seen this link in our files. Just wanted to share it.

Carol Celinska Dove




http://www.rkc.lviv.ua/#N

Group,
This book/site is:
"Dedicated to The Polish Children Who Found a heaven in New Zealand"

Great site with lots of pictures in Iran. History of the attack on
Poland, deportation, train and camps. From there the trip out of Russia
and back to Teharan. My Aunt was here (Esfahan/Isfahan) and has told me
many stories of the care given.
This is the link to the first part 1)Deportation to Russia 1-14 from
there you can go to part 2)In Persia part a.1-11pgs. b.1-11pgs.  part 3)
In New Zealand a.1-14pgs. b.1-18pgs.  4)Return to Pahiatua 1-5 and
pictures. Carol Celinska Dove

I loved the prayer below:


"Yes, we were going further and further away from our homeland, yet on
our lips there was a prayer:"

"Oh lord, take us back Home!
Give us back a free Poland!"

http://www.polishheritage.co.nz/PAHIATUA/SKWARKO/S1/S01T.HTM

Elizabeth,
Do we need to get permission to add this to our files? I tried
writing to one of the links and it came back I tried the other link
and so far it has not come back. I tried looking to see if we already
had it. We may and I didn't find it.

Let me know if we do and I will follow up? Carol




--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Dove" <stashaok@...>
wrote:
>
> Group,
> This book/site is:
> "Dedicated to The Polish Children Who Found a heaven in New
Zealand"
>
> Great site with lots of pictures in Iran. History of the attack on
> Poland, deportation, train and camps. From there the trip out of
Russia
> and back to Teharan. My Aunt was here (Esfahan/Isfahan) and has
told me
> many stories of the care given.
> This is the link to the first part 1)Deportation to Russia 1-14
from
> there you can go to part 2)In Persia part a.1-11pgs. b.1-11pgs.
part 3)
> In New Zealand a.1-14pgs. b.1-18pgs.  4)Return to Pahiatua 1-5 and
> pictures. Carol Celinska Dove
>
> I loved the prayer below:
>
>
> "Yes, we were going further and further away from our homeland, yet
on
> our lips there was a prayer:"
>
> "Oh lord, take us back Home!
> Give us back a free Poland!"
>
> http://www.polishheritage.co.nz/PAHIATUA/SKWARKO/S1/S01T.HTM
>

Elizabeth,

We must have it linked already as it shows up in
search.I will look once more. Carol

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Group,
One more quick note with personal note from Alina.

Carol

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You may find it at:
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~antora/BIBLIOT/BIBLIOT.HTM
with severalother relevant books
and direct link is:
http://www.antoranz.net/BIBLIOTEKA/SKWARKO/SKWARKO/S0/S00T_TITLE_DEDIC.HTM

regards -

Roman Antoszewski
====================
On 2 Nov 2007 at 7:48, Carol Dove wrote:

>
> Elizabeth,
>
> We must have it linked already as it shows up in
> search.I will look once more. Carol
>
> ________________________________________________ __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

Amazing story about the orphans and semi-orphans ending in New Zealand.

Thank you.

Best regards. Witold.



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Carol Dove
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   Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:51 PM
   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] The Invited by Krystyna Skwarko "Must Read"


   http://www.polonia.org.nz/en/pahiatua%20story.pdf

   Group,
   One more quick note with personal note from Alina.

   Carol

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