Hi Aniela, i see you were at Husbands Bosworth Camp,

did you know kazik, edek or bronia Fura?


Iza Jozwiak
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Hi Aniela.


If you get in tuch with Dr.Urszula Szulakowska [
u.s.szulakowska@....] she can give you some more detail about camp
Husband-Bosworth as she put a lot of efort to documented
live in thouse camps.
She put a beautiful page about Melton-Mowbray camp. there is a page with a
few photos about
life in the camp.
Would you know names ; Bilyk or Tarasiewicz frinds of mine who emigrat.
after the war?
Tadeusz

       ----- Original Message -----
       From: bechta1936
       To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
       Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:55 PM
       Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Damfield Lane Hostel, Liverpool



       To all
       Is there anyone from the group who lived there betweem 1950 and
       1951? Can I find photos somewhere? Before that we were in Busbands
       Bosworth. Spent most of the time in Diddington School so don't even
       remember if each hut had it's individual toilet.
       Thank you
       Aniela - NZ

       --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "bechta1936" <bechta1936@...>
       wrote:
       >
       > Thank you Zosia for the fantastic sleuthing.
       > We came to England on Llandovery Castle. Left Kilindini Harbour,
       > Mombasa on 20th May 1949, arrived England June 15,1949 but don't
       > remember where we docked - Tilbury maybe? Our African camp was
       > Koja, Uganda.
       > Aniela
       > New Zealand
       >
       >
       >
       >
       >
       >
       > --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, zosia biegus <zosiabiegus@>
       > wrote:
       > >
       > > I am delighted that my research into passenger lists has be
       > worthwhile. I am currently dealing with two more lists but it's
       very
       > time consuming so it will be a little while before they appear on
       > the website.
       > >
       > > There are two ships from Italy already on the web site; the
       Andes
       > and Atlantis and I know of one more that I am working on - the
       > Cilicia. It would help me tremendously if I had the names of
       ships,
       > date and port of entry into the UK.
       > >
       > > Regards
       > > Zosia Biegus
       > >
       > >
       > >
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       > r07.html
       > >
       >





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Hi Aniela,
I don't remember the size of the box car and I don't know exactly how many
people were in our car. But it was full of people. We did not have a stove - we
were deported in June 1941, so it was warm as a matter of fact quite hot. There
was no bunks we just slept wherever we could find some place. There was
diversity regarding ethnicity,sex, religion and age. With us there was a
Russian-orthodox priest, some "White" Russians who were residing in Poland,  
(they spoke only Russian) there was a grandfather of 72 and his two
grandchildren, 4 and 6 (parents were arrested before).
Regards
Romuald
---- bechta1936 <bechta1936@...> wrote:
> Romuald  How big exactly were the box cars?  There were 72 people in
> ours and a small stove in the middle so you fried if you were near
> it and froze if you slept against the wall.
> I understand there were some box cars outfitted with narrow bunks
> against the walls.
> Aniela
> NZ
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, <romlipin@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Group!
> > I just finished waching "Dr. Zivago" ( I don't know how many times
> I watched it) and I want to drive your attention to one fragment of
> the film. If you want to see how we traveled to the "Paradise of the
> Proletariat" look for the part when the Zivagos are travelling to
> the Urals. It's the closest to the real life I ever saw.  It is
> almost exactly how we went: the scene on the platform when the train
> arrives, when they clean the box car, the whole thing. There is only
> one exception: we did not have a luxury of berths.Sitting and
> sleeping was on your posessions.  And "strelok" (guard) was
> outside.  Another difference is that in our car there was no hole in
> the floor for sanitary purposes - you can imagine tha rest... The
> trip took almost three weeks. "Karmioshka" (soup of some sort) was
> once a day. Sweet memories...
> > Romuald
> > USA
> >
>
>

Hi Group!
I just finished waching "Dr. Zivago" ( I don't know how many times I watched it) and I want to drive your attention to one fragment of the film. If you want to see how we traveled to the "Paradise of the Proletariat" look for the part when the Zivagos are travelling to the Urals. It's the closest to the real life I ever saw. It is almost exactly how we went: the scene on the platform when the train arrives, when they clean the box car, the whole thing. There is only one exception: we did not have a luxury of berths.Sitting and sleeping was on your posessions. And "strelok" (guard) was outside. Another difference is that in our car there was no hole in the floor for sanitary purposes - you can imagine tha rest... The trip took almost three weeks. "Karmioshka" (soup of some sort) was once a day. Sweet memories...
Romuald
USA

Elzunia, Julek, and group -

I think that the vast majority of refugees first went to England.
Even the soldiers went from Italy to England.  The exception could be
the groups like Julek's who went to Mexico.  Julek, did you go
directly from the Middle East to Mexico, or did you have a short stop
in England first?

Regards,
Eve

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Olsson"
<elzunia@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if refugees went directly from Egypt to for
example Canada?
> Or did they go to England first and then take another ship to the
American
> continent?
>
> pozdrowienia
> Elzunia Olsson
> Sweden
> Gallery Administrator
> http://gallery.kresy-siberia.org/

Zosia -

You did a spectacular job on the lists!  Thank you so much for making
them available to us. Please let us know when more become available.
I read every single passenger list at your website to date, but so
far my families are not listed.

I don't know if I missed something on the list, but I didn't know
these were available until Krystyna Freiburger's post the other day.
Where did you get these lists, Zosia?

Thanks again for your great job of transcription and all it entails!
Regards,
Eve Jankowicz

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, zosia biegus <zosiabiegus@...>
wrote:
>
> I am delighted that my research into passenger lists has be
worthwhile. I am currently dealing with two more lists but it's very
time consuming so it will be a little while before they appear on the
website.
>
> There are two ships from Italy already on the web site; the Andes
and Atlantis and I know of one more that I am working on - the
Cilicia. It would help me tremendously if I had the names of ships,
date and port of entry into the UK.
>
> Regards
> Zosia Biegus
>
>
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Yes , I agree, that it would be best if one also knew the Powiat and Woj.  However, I think a lot of people, especially young children , who are still alive, would not know the pow. or woj. .  Funny but my mom who was 16 when deported, did not know her pow. Or woj.

And I think she actually told me that the woj. was Lwówskie  (Lwów).  But in fact she gave me a “bum” steer.  I wasted a lot of time.  Because her village was in woj. Tarnopolskie (Tarnopol). but she thought it was Lwów because Lwów was much closer to her village.  And there were many Trościaniec villages in Kresy.  And to add to the confusion, her wioska, or Osada, was not on any map. It was too small and too new.  My mom only knew of some of the town names close to her. So by process of elimination and lots of research I honed in on the correct place.

But as far Lewkowce, I believe we got the correct one as her three places, Lewkowce, Łosiatyn and Podkamień are as she said they were, and in close proximity as her relatives described.

And yes, there are actually “many” Podkamien places all over Kresy and current Poland.  But only one with Łosiatyn and Lewkowce nearby.  Not quite as good as knowing Pow, and Woj, but not a bad way to find the “co-ordinates”, especially if you don’t know the longitude and latitude in degrees and Minutes.

There seems to be something funny with the postings fro sure..  J  J

.

Hi Hania,
These memories will stay with us for the rest of our lives. Please give our
regards to Mela. She was in Tengeru with my wife and my wife and Mela chat often
on the phone (for hours).
Best regards
Romuald
---- Anne Kaczanowski <annekaczanowski@...> wrote:
> It's funny you  should mention this Roman because a few years ago when I was
speaking to people about their memories of deportation, I spoke with your friend
Mela ( in Edmonton) and she of course was deported as a young child. I included
her memories in my father's book.
>
>   "One woman that I talked with, from this period, named Mela, told me how her
Polish family was ripped out of their home in the middle of the night and taken
to awaiting cattle cars that eventually transported them to Kazakhstan.  She was
a child when this happened. Luckily she   survived her ordeals and eventually
ended up in Canada, putting her past behind her.
>
>   Many years later, as a young adult, she went to the theater to watch the
film Dr. Zhivago.  In the film they showed clips of the northern Siberian
countryside, with miles and miles of blinding snow.  Watching this rolling
panorama of white  pass  before her eyes on the screen, she started to
hyperventilate in her seat.  She was shocked to realize that after so many years
a vision such as this would arouse in her a past memory filled with fear from
her childhood. Tucked into the recesses of her mind, it flashed before her eyes
once again, the stark changes in countryside that she had witnessed as a child
as they were being deported on the cattle cars.  She had not thought about this
in years.  This picture was as clear to her as though she had relived it
yesterday.  Thirty years later, in the middle of the movie, she found herself
experiencing the same emotions that   had shrouded her in childhood.  For a few
seconds, she almost forgot she was in the theatre.. She had to
>  excuse herself   from her companions and go out into the lobby for a breath
of fresh air.  She lit a cigarette and stayed with her thoughts for a few
minutes, while she composed herself and then returned to watch the rest of the
movie.
>
>
>   hania
>
> romlipin@... wrote:
>           Hi Group!
> I just finished waching "Dr. Zivago" ( I don't know how many times I watched
it) and I want to drive your attention to one fragment of the film. If you want
to see how we traveled to the "Paradise of the Proletariat" look for the part
when the Zivagos are travelling to the Urals. It's the closest to the real life
I ever saw. It is almost exactly how we went: the scene on the platform when the
train arrives, when they clean the box car, the whole thing. There is only one
exception: we did not have a luxury of berths.Sitting and sleeping was on your
posessions. And "strelok" (guard) was outside. Another difference is that in our
car there was no hole in the floor for sanitary purposes - you can imagine tha
rest... The trip took almost three weeks. "Karmioshka" (soup of some sort) was
once a day. Sweet memories...
> Romuald
> USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
>  Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

----- Original Message -----

From: romlipin@...

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Cc: Anne Kaczanowski

Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Journey to Siberia

Hi Hania,
These memories will stay with us for the rest of our lives. Please give our regards to Mela. She was in Tengeru with my wife and my wife and Mela chat often on the phone (for hours).
Best regards
Romuald

.

Hi Hania,
These memories will stay with us for the rest of our lives. Please give our regards to Mela. She was in Tengeru with my wife and my wife and Mela chat often on the phone (for hours).
Best regards
Romuald
---- Anne Kaczanowski <annekaczanowski@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's funny you should mention this Roman because a few years ago when I was speaking to people about their memories of deportation, I spoke with your friend Mela ( in Edmonton) and she of course was deported as a young child. I included her memories in my father's book.
>
> "One woman that I talked with, from this period, named Mela, told me how her Polish family was ripped out of their home in the middle of the night and taken to awaiting cattle cars that eventually transported them to Kazakhstan. She was a child when this happened. Luckily she survived her ordeals and eventually ended up in Canada, putting her past behind her.
>
> Many years later, as a young adult, she went to the theater to watch the film Dr. Zhivago. In the film they showed clips of the northern Siberian countryside, with miles and miles of blinding snow. Watching this rolling panorama of white pass before her eyes on the screen, she started to hyperventilate in her seat. She was shocked to realize that after so many years a vision such as this would arouse in her a past memory filled with fear from her childhood. Tucked into the recesses of her mind, it flashed before her eyes once again, the stark changes in countryside that she had witnessed as a child as they were being deported on the cattle cars. She had not thought about this in years. This picture was as clear to her as though she had relived it yesterday. Thirty years later, in the middle of the movie, she found herself experiencing the same emotions that had shrouded her in childhood. For a few seconds, she almost forgot she was in the theatre.. She had to
> excuse herself from her companions and go out into the lobby for a breath of fresh air. She lit a cigarette and stayed with her thoughts for a few minutes, while she composed herself and then returned to watch the rest of the movie.
>
>
> hania
>
> romlipin@cox.net wrote:
> Hi Group!
> I just finished waching "Dr. Zivago" ( I don't know how many times I watched it) and I want to drive your attention to one fragment of the film. If you want to see how we traveled to the "Paradise of the Proletariat" look for the part when the Zivagos are travelling to the Urals. It's the closest to the real life I ever saw. It is almost exactly how we went: the scene on the platform when the train arrives, when they clean the box car, the whole thing. There is only one exception: we did not have a luxury of berths.Sitting and sleeping was on your posessions. And "strelok" (guard) was outside. Another difference is that in our car there was no hole in the floor for sanitary purposes - you can imagine tha rest... The trip took almost three weeks. "Karmioshka" (soup of some sort) was once a day. Sweet memories...
> Romuald
> USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
> Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Does anyone have any information about the Yagshordin labour camp, in
the Priluzsky Region of the Komi ASSR?

I wanted to say thank you to everyone that helped find my fathers birth
village. I was born and raised in Connecticut, USA and speak very
little Polish. When I started this quest I never dreamed it would be so
hard. I have confirmed with my father and he was happy to see his home
and pointed it out on the map. All your help has saved me so much time.
Now when I tell my children of thier Grampa's home I can show them a
map. Thank you, Carol Celinski Dove

Carol:  Glad to help a fellow Connecticutter.  I don't live too far
from you and my daughter lives even closer to Bolton.  She lives in
Manchester.  If you ever want to meet, let me know.  I'd love to meet
another Kresy member in person.  Email me off the Group if you're
interested.  I hope you are!

Barb Revoet
Connecticut


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Dove" <stashaok@...> wrote:
>
> I wanted to say thank you to everyone that helped find my fathers
birth
> village. I was born and raised in Connecticut, USA and speak very
> little Polish. When I started this quest I never dreamed it would be
so
> hard. I have confirmed with my father and he was happy to see his
home
> and pointed it out on the map. All your help has saved me so much
time.
> Now when I tell my children of thier Grampa's home I can show them a
> map. Thank you, Carol Celinski Dove
>

---

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
From: beemail27@...
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:05:35 +0000
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Thank you all

Carol: Glad to help a fellow Connecticutter. I don't live too far
from you and my daughter lives even closer to Bolton. She lives in
Manchester. If you ever want to meet, let me know. I'd love to meet
another Kresy member in person. Email me off the Group if you're
interested. I hope you are!

Barb Revoet
Connecticut

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Dove" <stashaok@...> wrote:
>
> I wanted to say thank you to everyone that helped find my fathers
birth
> village. I was born and raised in Connecticut, USA and speak very
> little Polish. When I started this quest I never dreamed it would be
so
> hard. I have confirmed with my father and he was happy to see his
home
> and pointed it out on the map. All your help has saved me so much
time.
> Now when I tell my children of thier Grampa's home I can show them a
> map. Thank you, Carol Celinski Dove
>

Dear Zbyszek,

 

I would totally agree with you regarding the Woj. as these are apparently the administrative areas and seem to have no relevance to the map location and so can confuse matters.

 

My mother's family, the Starzaks, moved from Nozdrzec (S.E. Poland) to their new settlement in Podliski village, which is near Lwow on the 1/07/1939.

Mum has limited memories of this move as she was very young and they were deported only a few months later, but she has always insisted that the admin area was Łwowskie. During our most recent trip to Nozdrzec in Poland, purely by chance, we were able to view Mum's school attendance listing (Metryka Szkolna) and found not only that she had completed 2 years (II Stopnia), but the exact date and address of their move to Podliski was given as the reason for leaving the (Powszechna) school. This was: -

 

(do wsi) Podliski

(gmina) Pnikut 

(pow) Laszki

 

When I did a map search for Pnikut or Laszki I found find that they are nowhere near the village of Podliski, which I believe is very close to Mosciska. So I can only assume that the admin districts have little relationship to the nearest large town or city but had some other criteria for inclusion into a "district". Does anyone know how these systems operate as this may well help us to locate our "lost" settlements or villages?

 

With warmest regards,

 

Krys
(Ipswich, UK)

 

 

 

Yes , I agree, that it would be best if one also knew the Powiat and Woj.  However, I think a lot of people, especially young children , who are still alive, would not know the pow. or woj. .  Funny but my mom who was 16 when deported, did not know her pow. Or woj.

And I think she actually told me that the woj. was Lwówskie  (Lwów).  But in fact she gave me a “bum” steer.  I wasted a lot of time.  Because her village was in woj. Tarnopolskie (Tarnopol). but she thought it was Lwów because Lwów was much closer to her village.  And there were many Trościaniec villages in Kresy.  And to add to the confusion, her wioska, or Osada, was not on any map. It was too small and too new.  My mom only knew of some of the town names close to her. So by process of elimination and lots of research I honed in on the correct place.

But as far Lewkowce, I believe we got the correct one as her three places, Lewkowce, Łosiatyn and Podkamień are as she said they were, and in close proximity as her relatives described.

And yes, there are actually “many” Podkamien places all over Kresy and current Poland.  But only one with Łosiatyn and Lewkowce nearby.  Not quite as good as knowing Pow, and Woj, but not a bad way to find the “co-ordinates”, especially if you don’t know the longitude and latitude in degrees and Minutes.

There seems to be something funny with the postings fro sure..  J  J

.

Hello,

I have not been following the group's messages for a long time, due to
an increase in workload at my job. I was doing a search today of the
messages and saw an exchange between Lucille Walker and Zosia about
families from the Liczkowce village.

My father is researching his family tree and discovered a clue that
the Koscielny family from Liczkowce is connected with the Kwiatkowski
family. That is, a Koscielny woman married a Kwiatkowski, and
emigrated to Manitoba.

Lucille had mentioned that her maternal side is the Kwiatkowski
family. If someone would put me in touch with Lucille Walker, my dad
and I would greatly appreciate it.

My email to write to is "lee_anne_kowalski@...".

(Zosia, I am sorry that I do not have any information for you about
the Siberian destination. The family that I am researching has last
name "Tesarski", and they were also deported on Feb 10, 1940, and
probably were also with your mother going to the same place).

Thank you!
--Lee Anne

Dear Zbyszek and Krys,

Before the war there were 16 " wojewo'dztwo" in Poland i.e. :Pomorze, Poznan', Lo'dz', Warszawa, Kielce, S'la,sk, Krako'w, Bial-ystok, Lublin, Lwo`w, Stanisl-awo'w, Tarnopol, Wol-yn', Polesie, Nowogro`dek and Wilno. In each wojewo'dztwo there were "powiaty", in each powiat there were miasta, gminy and wsi.

Hope it is of some help.

 

Regards,

 

Roman Skulski

Poland and WWII 1939-1945

 

 

krysdobrzanski@talktalk.net wrote:

Dear Zbyszek,

 

I would totally agree with you regarding the Woj. as these are apparently the administrative areas and seem to have no relevance to the map location and so can confuse matters.

 

My mother's family, the Starzaks, moved from Nozdrzec (S.E. Poland) to their new settlement in Podliski village, which is near Lwow on the 1/07/1939.

Mum has limited memories of this move as she was very young and they were deported only a few months later, but she has always insisted that the admin area was Łwowskie. During our most recent trip to Nozdrzec in Poland, purely by chance, we were able to view Mum's school attendance listing (Metryka Szkolna) and found not only that she had completed 2 years (II Stopnia), but the exact date and address of their move to Podliski was given as the reason for leaving the (Powszechna) school. This was: -

 

(do wsi) Podliski

(gmina) Pnikut 

(pow) Laszki

 

When I did a map search for Pnikut or Laszki I found find that they are nowhere near the village of Podliski, which I believe is very close to Mosciska. So I can only assume that the admin districts have little relationship to the nearest large town or city but had some other criteria for inclusion into a "district". Does anyone know how these systems operate as this may well help us to locate our "lost" settlements or villages?

 

With warmest regards,

 

Krys
(Ipswich, UK)

 

 

 

Yes , I agree, that it would be best if one also knew the Powiat and Woj.  However, I think a lot of people, especially young children , who are still alive, would not know the pow. or woj. .  Funny but my mom who was 16 when deported, did not know her pow. Or woj.

And I think she actually told me that the woj. was Lwówskie  (Lwów).  But in fact she gave me a “bum” steer.  I wasted a lot of time.  Because her village was in woj. Tarnopolskie (Tarnopol). but she thought it was Lwów because Lwów was much closer to her village.  And there were many Trościaniec villages in Kresy.  And to add to the confusion, her wioska, or Osada, was not on any map. It was too small and too new.  My mom only knew of some of the town names close to her. So by process of elimination and lots of research I honed in on the correct place.

But as far Lewkowce, I believe we got the correct one as her three places, Lewkowce, Łosiatyn and Podkamień are as she said they were, and in close proximity as her relatives described.

And yes, there are actually “many” Podkamien places all over Kresy and current Poland.  But only one with Łosiatyn and Lewkowce nearby.  Not quite as good as knowing Pow, and Woj, but not a bad way to find the “co-ordinates”, especially if you don’t know the longitude and latitude in degrees and Minutes.

There seems to be something funny with the postings fro sure..  J  J

.

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Hi Antoni – it's good to hear from you again.  I was asked to look for
some information for a friend of my father's – Staszek Manterys – who
did not know to where his family was deported.  He was five years old
then. The information is there in the Russian files and indicates that
the family (father Serafim; mother Celestyna and five children) were
deported to Yagshordin in the Priluzsky region of the Komi Republic on
10 Feb 1940.  Maybe there were a few families there among the
prisoners?  Halinka

Richard,

   I also am in the process of trying to apply. My father was just
here on a visit from Florida and we were trying to do the on line
form. I can tell you from my father reading it to me.
#1) I have to check with Dad, he said, "Nr Pesel
#2) last name
#3. first name
#4) fathers name
#5) mothers maiden name
#6) year /month he wrote Aug. (sierpien)/ and day
#7) Village name he came from (Lewkowce)
#8) Wolynskie
#9)on the bottom he wrote present zip code / USA/ Washington/134 and
above he put present town he lives in

Sadly this is as far as we got and I had company stop and he will not
talk about it. We also got stopped by my father saying that they
needed a document #. I know there is #'s listed for the family under
the Red Cross listings of where they ended up but wasn't sure if that
would work. I will help you more if I can and I hope this helps you
get it started. Go to our files for the forms to print and the
address to send it to. Let me know if you get any information that
will help me. Good luck, Carol

Dear Roman

I am quite new to this site.

regarding the wojewodztwo, I have a document of my father's , from when he was in the army which says the woj is wokynskie - polska. But this doesnt appear in your list.

Regards,

Jean Chadwick

roman skulski <romed46@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Dear Zbyszek and Krys,

Before the war there were 16 " wojewo'dztwo" in Poland i.e. :Pomorze, Poznan', Lo'dz', Warszawa, Kielce, S'la,sk, Krako'w, Bial-ystok, Lublin, Lwo`w, Stanisl-awo'w, Tarnopol, Wol-yn', Polesie, Nowogro`dek and Wilno. In each wojewo'dztwo there were "powiaty", in each powiat there were miasta, gminy and wsi.

Hope it is of some help.

 

Regards,

 

Roman Skulski

Poland and WWII 1939-1945

 

 

krysdobrzanski@talktalk.net wrote:

Dear Zbyszek,

 

I would totally agree with you regarding the Woj. as these are apparently the administrative areas and seem to have no relevance to the map location and so can confuse matters.

 

My mother's family, the Starzaks, moved from Nozdrzec (S.E. Poland) to their new settlement in Podliski village, which is near Lwow on the 1/07/1939.

Mum has limited memories of this move as she was very young and they were deported only a few months later, but she has always insisted that the admin area was Łwowskie. During our most recent trip to Nozdrzec in Poland, purely by chance, we were able to view Mum's school attendance listing (Metryka Szkolna) and found not only that she had completed 2 years (II Stopnia), but the exact date and address of their move to Podliski was given as the reason for leaving the (Powszechna) school. This was: -

 

(do wsi) Podliski

(gmina) Pnikut 

(pow) Laszki

 

When I did a map search for Pnikut or Laszki I found find that they are nowhere near the village of Podliski, which I believe is very close to Mosciska. So I can only assume that the admin districts have little relationship to the nearest large town or city but had some other criteria for inclusion into a "district". Does anyone know how these systems operate as this may well help us to locate our "lost" settlements or villages?

 

With warmest regards,

 

Krys
(Ipswich, UK)

 

 

 

Yes , I agree, that it would be best if one also knew the Powiat and Woj.  However, I think a lot of people, especially young children , who are still alive, would not know the pow. or woj. .  Funny but my mom who was 16 when deported, did not know her pow. Or woj.

And I think she actually told me that the woj. was Lwówskie  (Lwów).  But in fact she gave me a “bum” steer.  I wasted a lot of time.  Because her village was in woj. Tarnopolskie (Tarnopol). but she thought it was Lwów because Lwów was much closer to her village.  And there were many Trościaniec villages in Kresy.  And to add to the confusion, her wioska, or Osada, was not on any map. It was too small and too new.  My mom only knew of some of the town names close to her. So by process of elimination and lots of research I honed in on the correct place.

But as far Lewkowce, I believe we got the correct one as her three places, Lewkowce, Łosiatyn and Podkamień are as she said they were, and in close proximity as her relatives described.

And yes, there are actually “many” Podkamien places all over Kresy and current Poland.  But only one with Łosiatyn and Lewkowce nearby.  Not quite as good as knowing Pow, and Woj, but not a bad way to find the “co-ordinates”, especially if you don’t know the longitude and latitude in degrees and Minutes.

There seems to be something funny with the postings fro sure..  J  J

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