Kresy-Siberia : Messages : 21062-21091 of 56854

Dear Antoni, and everyone,

Thank you for your kind words.

Can I just point out that I didn't live on any of the camps and was born ten years after Hus Bos was shut down. I'm coming to this history as someone who has heard her relatives talk about these places with the greatest of fondness. When I finally had the opportunity to visit the remains of the oboz, stand in the barrack that my parents and sister called home, see the remains of the church, talk to local people who remember this community, then I felt very strongly that this history had to be preserved - and not just because it the story of how my parents began life anew (after surviving the deportations and WW2). Here are the origins of the Polonia in the UK that I then grew up in - the clubs, the churches, the different organisations, the schools, Harcerstwo. This post-war history touches all of us, and its physicality is fast disappearing, because the National Assistance Board housed the refugees and their families on military bases that are now obsolete. There are no protection orders on the airfields, nor the outlying buildings. Hus Bos aerodrome has survived, to some extent, because it is home to the Coventry Gliding Club. Numerous outbuildings are standing, because local people have utilised them: the old church is a stable for horses, my parents barrack was a pigsty, the parachute-packers building is now a garage... I have flown over Hus Bos by glider and, for the reasons listed above, it is still possible to clearly see the footprint of the whole site. It's quite a rarity. As mentioned previously, other camps such as Lubbenham have completely disappeared.

I hope to continue recording the history of this camp for as long as there are people who want to share their memories. Although it is run-down and overgrown, there is something quite magical about the place.

Serdeczne pozdrowienia,

Halina

-----Original Message-----
From: ANTONI KAZIMIERSKI [mailto:askazimierski@...]
Sent: 29 October 2006 10:28
To: hszulakowska@...
Cc: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Melton Mowbrey Camp

Dear Halina,

What an achievement and dedication in establishing your web and the description of life and history of this famous camp where you grew up.

CONGRATULATIONS!

I've just had a chance to look at some of it and marvel that you were able to collect so much memorable information about the life of Polish people. Your links to other camps are also important to all of us as we too had families there.

antoni530

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#21063

From: "Halina Szulakowska" <hszulakowska@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:13 pm
Subject: RE: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp

hszulakowska@...

Dear Tadeusz,

The Melton Mowbray website does not belong to me, I'm afraid. It has been set up by the local library in the town, because people were coming in and asking for information about the oboz - and none existed in their archives!

The library wrote an article in a local English newspaper asking people to come forward with their memories of the camp. A friend of mine then read it and sent me the clipping out of interest. I then suggested to my sister that she should write about her time at Melton.

I believe that you can still submit

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ted sebestianski
Sent: 29 October 2006 05:04
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp

Hallo P.Halina.

Reading your stories about Melton-Mow. makes me almost cry.

I would like to ad poem 50-cio lecie Melton-Mowray 1948-1998.

I also have a lot of photos i would,nt mind to add-but that by your permision .

I also have four pages of Milienium w Melton Mowbray with photo of Ks. Biskup Rubin concecrate the Votum with Father Oles [his family used to live in M-M]

I would like to know who George Lesiak is.

Pozdrawiam Tadeusz.

----- Original Message -----

From: Halina Szulakowska

To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:53 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp

Dear all,

For the last year or so I've been collecting stories about life on the post-war camp of Husbands Bosworth in Northamptonshire (which appears as Sulby Hostel in official documentation). Both sides of my family lived there, although for shorter periods they also resided at Ludford Magna, Northwick Park and Melton Mowbray camps.

Three of my articles were published this year in a local English paper - The Welford Bugle - about this Polish community. And I have now, subsequently, built a website around these pieces. (A fourth article is in the pipeline about Zaduszki on the camp).

I continue to collect people's stories in the hope of publishing a small booklet about Husbands Bosworth.

If anyone would like to contact me about this camp or with queries about my website, then that would be fantastic. My web URL is:

www.polishcampsulby.co.uk

I've been a member of the KS-group for about the last 4/5 years and I know that the history of these resettlement camps has been referred to time and again. I believe this aspect of Polonia history is now re-emerging as the next generation of British-born Poles (like myself) starting asking how and why the Polish network (in the UK) came into existence.

Serdeczne pozdrowienia,

Halina Szulakowska UK

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#21064

From: "Halina Szulakowska" <hszulakowska@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:32 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp

hszulakowska@...

Dear Aniela,

I wonder if you remember a chap from Diddington school called Florian
Brodalka?

I'm afraid that I don't have any information about the Polish Hostel at
Maghull.

As to the address of the Husbands Bosworth camp... that's actually a tricky
one. The airfield was built straddling two counties: Leicestershire and
Northamptonshire. If you look at an old plan of the site, then you will find
that the main runway (now the Sibbertoft Road linking Welford and
Sibbertoft) roughly ran along the border of the two counties.

All the documentation that I have from this time, such as a copy of an
Alien's Registration Booklet, and severel summons letters to attend
interviews run by Immigration (held at the camp) have the address as the
"Polish Hostel Sulby".

The camp seems to have aquired the name Husbands Bosworth, because the
aerodrome was known as 'Husbands Bosworth Airfield' during the war. But
actually, all the administrative and dormitory buildings belonging to the
RAF, and which later became the five 'Sites' of the Polish oboz, fall inside
Northamptonshire. And I do have a letter from immigration addressed to Site
1 (where my family orginally lived) Polish Hostel Sulby, Northamptonshire.
It might be that some of the other sites were addressed as being
Leicestershire. And Husbands Bosworth does fall in Leics. whereas Sulby,
Sibbertoft and Welford are all Northants.

But, for example, my sister didn't even know the camp was called Polish
Hostel Sulby until I showed her the documentation. Poles called it "Hus Bos
camp" and that's how everyone knows it.

Sorry to be so long winded, but this is why I've used both terms for the
camp on my website.

Serdeczne pozdrowienia,
Halina



-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bechta1936
Sent: 29 October 2006 00:20
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Halina Szulakowska"
<hszulakowska@...> wrote:
>I WAS THERE!! from April 1949 till end of 1950 having arrived from Koja,
Uganda settlement. I attended Diddington boarding school. The address we
always used on the myriad of forms that a stateless person has to fill out
wherever they move, was Husbands Bosworth Polish Hostel, Market Harborough,
Leicester (rather than Northampton). We were transferred to Polish Hostel
Damfield Lane, Maghull, Lancaster. Wonder if you have any info about that
camp.
Checked your website - a fantastic trip down memory lane! Dziekuje.
Aniela
New Zealand




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#21065

From: "simonmrzsp" <simon@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp

simonmrzsp

What an intersting site, I didn't know about the resettlement camp at
Hus Bos.

It's now a well known gliding airfield. :-)

Simon

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Halina Szulakowska"
<hszulakowska@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Tadeusz,
>
> The Melton Mowbray website does not belong to me, I'm afraid. It
has been
> set up by the local library in the town, because people were coming
in and
> asking for information about the oboz - and none existed in their
archives!
>
> The library wrote an article in a local English newspaper asking
people to
> come forward with their memories of the camp. A friend of mine then
read it
> and sent me the clipping out of interest. I then suggested to my
sister that
> she should write about her time at Melton.
>
> I believe that you can still submit
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ted sebestianski
>   Sent: 29 October 2006 05:04
>   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp
>
>
>   Hallo P.Halina.
>   Reading your stories about Melton-Mow. makes me almost cry.
>   I would like to ad poem 50-cio lecie Melton-Mowray 1948-1998.
>   I also have a lot of photos i would,nt mind to add-but that by
your
> permision .
>   I also have four pages of Milienium w Melton Mowbray with photo
of Ks.
> Biskup Rubin concecrate the Votum with Father Oles [his family used
to live
> in M-M]
>   I would like to know who George Lesiak is.
>   Pozdrawiam Tadeusz.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Halina Szulakowska
>     To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>     Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:53 AM
>     Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp
>
>
>     Dear all,
>
>     For the last year or so I've been collecting stories about life
on the
> post-war camp of Husbands Bosworth in Northamptonshire  (which
appears as
> Sulby Hostel in official documentation). Both sides of my family
lived
> there, although for shorter periods they also resided at Ludford
Magna,
> Northwick Park and Melton Mowbray camps.
>
>     Three of my articles were published this year in a local
English paper -
> The Welford Bugle - about this Polish community. And I have now,
> subsequently, built a website around these pieces. (A fourth
article is in
> the pipeline about Zaduszki on the camp).
>
>     I continue to collect people's stories in the hope of
publishing a small
> booklet about Husbands Bosworth.
>
>     If anyone would like to contact me about this camp or with
queries about
> my website, then that would be fantastic. My web URL is:
>     www.polishcampsulby.co.uk
>
>     I've been a member of the KS-group for about the last 4/5 years
and I
> know that the history of these resettlement camps has been referred
to time
> and again. I believe this aspect of Polonia history is now re-
emerging as
> the next generation of British-born Poles (like myself) starting
asking how
> and why the Polish network (in the UK) came into existence.
>
>     Serdeczne pozdrowienia,
>     Halina Szulakowska UK
>
>
>
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#21066

From: "Halina Szulakowska" <hszulakowska@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:35 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp

hszulakowska@...

It is indeed!

I've had the pleasure of flying over the remains of the camp by glider. It
was a really nice thing to do.

Also, if anyone ever visits The Soaring Centre, go to the clubhouse and on
the wall (as you enter) you will see a framed selection of my family photos
with a short write-up about the camp. A friend of my is a gliding instructor
and it was his idea that we preserve a bit of the oboz 'memory' in this
fashion.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of simonmrzsp
Sent: 30 October 2006 16:19
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp


What an intersting site, I didn't know about the resettlement camp at
Hus Bos.

It's now a well known gliding airfield. :-)

Simon

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Halina Szulakowska"
<hszulakowska@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Tadeusz,
>
> The Melton Mowbray website does not belong to me, I'm afraid. It
has been
> set up by the local library in the town, because people were coming
in and
> asking for information about the oboz - and none existed in their
archives!
>
> The library wrote an article in a local English newspaper asking
people to
> come forward with their memories of the camp. A friend of mine then
read it
> and sent me the clipping out of interest. I then suggested to my
sister that
> she should write about her time at Melton.
>
> I believe that you can still submit
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ted sebestianski
>   Sent: 29 October 2006 05:04
>   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp
>
>
>   Hallo P.Halina.
>   Reading your stories about Melton-Mow. makes me almost cry.
>   I would like to ad poem 50-cio lecie Melton-Mowray 1948-1998.
>   I also have a lot of photos i would,nt mind to add-but that by
your
> permision .
>   I also have four pages of Milienium w Melton Mowbray with photo
of Ks.
> Biskup Rubin concecrate the Votum with Father Oles [his family used
to live
> in M-M]
>   I would like to know who George Lesiak is.
>   Pozdrawiam Tadeusz.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Halina Szulakowska
>     To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>     Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:53 AM
>     Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp
>
>
>     Dear all,
>
>     For the last year or so I've been collecting stories about life
on the
> post-war camp of Husbands Bosworth in Northamptonshire  (which
appears as
> Sulby Hostel in official documentation). Both sides of my family
lived
> there, although for shorter periods they also resided at Ludford
Magna,
> Northwick Park and Melton Mowbray camps.
>
>     Three of my articles were published this year in a local
English paper -
> The Welford Bugle - about this Polish community. And I have now,
> subsequently, built a website around these pieces. (A fourth
article is in
> the pipeline about Zaduszki on the camp).
>
>     I continue to collect people's stories in the hope of
publishing a small
> booklet about Husbands Bosworth.
>
>     If anyone would like to contact me about this camp or with
queries about
> my website, then that would be fantastic. My web URL is:
>     www.polishcampsulby.co.uk
>
>     I've been a member of the KS-group for about the last 4/5 years
and I
> know that the history of these resettlement camps has been referred
to time
> and again. I believe this aspect of Polonia history is now re-
emerging as
> the next generation of British-born Poles (like myself) starting
asking how
> and why the Polish network (in the UK) came into existence.
>
>     Serdeczne pozdrowienia,
>     Halina Szulakowska UK
>
>
>
>     CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for
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#21067

From: julia garwolinska <juliajgarwolinska@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:03 pm
Subject: The (disputed?) Long Walk

juliajgarwol...

Is on Radio 4 tonight at 8pm ...its worth checking time etc as I heard about it on the car radio this am and could not write deetails down.

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#21068

From: "Maria M_M" <mabcn89@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:09 pm
Subject: RE: Re.FW. Gulag Project

mabcn89@...

Antoni I would like to see that map Lulu had from her grandmother. Could you please send it to me? Thanks.

Maria.

From: "ANTONI KAZIMIERSKI" <askazimierski@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re.FW. Gulag Project
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:35:23 +0100

Lulu,

The maps are part of a large map of central Russia - war period issue - showing mainly a section of Trans-Siberian rail line from Moscow via Samara to Krasnoyarsk with a link from Archangielsk via Vologda, Vietka and Perm escaping the Ural Mountains. Perm to Krasnoyarsk section has practically all major stations marked up and named.

The other portion of the map is of Cental/Southern Russia from Tambor to Penza to Samara and Uralsk. This section includes very important places for us; namely Buzuluk and Tockoye by Samara (Kuybishev) where Gen. Anders started to form the Polish Forces.The circles are around Penza, Samara, Saratov and Carycyn. Saratov was linked up to Tatishchevo where Polish hospital was established and again it was a major joining point for Poles entering the Army.

Penza and Carycyn are incidental line changing places, in my view.

The names of places on the maps are of old style and many have been changed on modern maps. The placenames are useful to us as many people have some kind of documents marked in that style.

These maps cover the area of Russia and not the present day Kazachstan.

I hope this helps.

antoni530

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#21069

From: "Maria M_M" <mabcn89@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:07 pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW:Gulag Project

mabcn89@...

Indeed I'd like to see those maps, please.

From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: FW:Gulag Project
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:40:06 +0200

Please sent it to me if you want it uploaded to the maps section of the Gallery.

pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

Gallery Administrator

http://gallery.kresy-siberia.org/

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Louise Blazejowska
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:17 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: FW:Gulag Project

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Anne Kaczanowski
<annekaczanowski@...> wrote:
>
> I think you should post it...It would be of interest to anyone
whose families came thru Kazakhstan.
>
> hania
>
> lulu <l.blazejowska@...> wrote:
> I have an old map belonging to my grandmother with
circles on it in Russian showing where they were placed in
Kazakhstan but I cannot interpret it or match it up with a more
modern map. She carried it round with her during her deportation.
>
> Do you think it would be any use to the group if I posted it up?
>
>
>Thanks. I have scanned it and sent to Antoni.
>
>
>
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#21070

From: "Maria M_M" <mabcn89@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:12 pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW:Gulag Project

mabcn89@...

Lulu I am extremely interested in seeing the map you have from your grandmother, could you please send it to me?

Thanks in advance.

Maria.

From: "lulu" <l.blazejowska@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: FW:Gulag Project
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:26:20 +1000

I have an old map belonging to my grandmother with circles on it in Russian showing where they were placed in Kazakhstan but I cannot interpret it or match it up with a more modern map. She carried it round with her during her deportation.

Do you think it would be any use to the group if I posted it up?

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#21071

From: "Maria M_M" <mabcn89@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:20 pm
Subject: RE: Gulags

mabcn89@...

Hi Julian. I'm Maria. I read you had a film about the deportation and the Gulags.

Well, as I'm carrying out a project on this topic, I'd be really interested in getting this video somehow.

Could you send it to me, please? Thanks in advance.

Maria.

From: "Julian Plowy" <julian_plowy@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Gulags
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:32:29 -0700

Helena,

I would call them and tell them you just received the great news about the conference and exhibit and that surely they can find one more seat somewhere if they some way object or say it is sold out. You might also say that you were referred by the California museum people who will be hosting the gulag exhibit next year just yesterday. So it is not your fault that you are registering late.

Also, I have a film (DVD) about the deportation and the gulags that I can send you (at no charge) to give to them as an offering if they find one more seat for you.

In addition, if all fails tell them that you have access to thousands on the internet and you don�t want them or the exhibit to receive any bad publicity.

Please be nice but firm and don�t take a no. You might think about it and rather then calling just go there in person and us all of the above.

If they can�t give you a meal tell them that is OK and just bring a sandwich and order some water.

By the way the notice sent to me stated that pre registration was required. I just received the notice and made it public.

Please keep us informed. Thank you

Hope this helps you, good luck and God Bless You.

Julek

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San Bernardino, CA 92413

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Helena T Hayden
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:44 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Gulags

Julek. I would like to attend the conference but I have a question.
You say preregistration is required.
The internet site you refer to says it's not required, but seating is
limited, and Oct 20 was the deadline to preregister for a meal.
What do you recommend doing, to insure a seat at the conference at this
late date?

Thanks.
Helena
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#21072

From: "karolagajda" <kgajda@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:29 pm
Subject: Theatre show in London: My Polish Roots and other Vegetables

karolagajda

Dear All
I'm doing a solo show about my Polish roots at the Arts Theatre in 6-7Great
Newport
Street, near Leicester Square, in London, on 22, 24, 29 November at 9pm.
In it I talk about my mother's and grandfather's time in Siberia. I did it at
the Edinburgh
Festival this August - resulting in my making barszcz 21 times in 3 weeks! (I
serve up
soup at the end of the show). The show's former title was To Be and To Have.
More details are at www.karolagajda.org.uk
Tickets are at www.ticketmaster.co.uk or tel 0870 060 1742
Best wishes
Karola

Reply | Messages in this Topic (1)

#21073

From: "ladbrookelinder" <ladbrooke@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:12 pm
Subject: The 'Long Walk' interview

ladbrookelinder

Well, I've just listened to the repeat of the interview on UK Radio
4,from this morning. I think that now I'm very confused!

Some fellow has followed the 'supposed' route the writer took [with
modern aids, [sat-nav, mobile phone,food, water etc]and was told,
almost at the end of his journey, that the writer couldn't have done
this 'long walk'. He was amazed to say the least.

Papers from Russian Archives, 'Memorial', Sikorski, NKVD, other
documents
show him to be in a different place, at a different time. Plus there
are two different versions of his background before 1939.

There was nothing about this in any papers he left with his family,
before he died 2 years ago. When he was with Alexander Topolski, at
a 'question & answer' night, he couldn't answer any direct questions
about this.

My conclusion; I still don't know of it's all true, but with back-up
papers from Sikorski, 'Memorial', NKVD, his Amensty + he filled in
the forms himself to join Ander's Army - what do we believe? But it's
a darn good story anyway.

It may be be on 'wwwbbc.co.uk/radio 4', to catch again,[half-hour] up
to 7 days from original recording.[Some progs are]

Well,it will boost book sales, if nothing else!
Linder

#21074

From: "Rob Loasby" <loasby@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:39 pm
Subject: RE: The 'Long Walk' interview

robloasby

http://tinyurl.com/ye2ojk

All,

To make life easier, and knowing how Yahoo likes to curtail long addresses, this will take you directly to the BBC radio player...

Rob

Nottingham, UK

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ladbrookelinder
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:13 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] The 'Long Walk' interview

Well, I've just listened to the repeat of the interview on UK Radio
4,from this morning. I think that now I'm very confused!

Some fellow has followed the 'supposed' route the writer took [with
modern aids, [sat-nav, mobile phone,food, water etc]and was told,
almost at the end of his journey, that the writer couldn't have done
this 'long walk'. He was amazed to say the least.

Papers from Russian Archives, 'Memorial', Sikorski, NKVD, other
documents
show him to be in a different place, at a different time. Plus there
are two different versions of his background before 1939.

There was nothing about this in any papers he left with his family,
before he died 2 years ago. When he was with Alexander Topolski, at
a 'question & answer' night, he couldn't answer any direct questions
about this.

My conclusion; I still don't know of it's all true, but with back-up
papers from Sikorski, 'Memorial', NKVD, his Amensty + he filled in
the forms himself to join Ander's Army - what do we believe? But it's
a darn good story anyway.

It may be be on 'wwwbbc.co.uk/radio 4', to catch again,[half-hour] up
to 7 days from original recording.[Some progs are]

Well,it will boost book sales, if nothing else!
Linder

#21075

From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:10 pm
Subject: RE: Re: FW:Gulag Project

elzuniao

http://gallery.kresy-siberia.org/SovietCamps

Hi Maria

There are several maps of camps on the Memorial Gallery:

pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

Gallery Administrator

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Maria M_M
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 8:07 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: FW:Gulag Project

Indeed I'd like to see those maps, please.

#21076

From: "Julian Plowy" <julian_plowy@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:33 pm
Subject: RE: Gulags

julek2205

Maria,

Thank you for your e-mail

The film that I have is the film produced by Jagna Wright and Aneta Naszynska . It is called A forgotten Odyssey. You can order it from Jagna direct. She is a member of this group.

I am not sure of the price at the present time.

I have an extra copy or two but I wish to follow the Gulag exhibit in every place (city) that it will be presented and make sure that I have a copy to send to each location, if that location will use the copy during the gulag exhibit tour to try and tell the complete story.

From my understanding the exhibit is slanted in a fashion that does not tell a complete story and that the exhibit uses the gulags as a comparison. That is to say that the exhibit tries to compare the past US historical problems concerning the Japanese, Blacks and Indians with the people who were deported to the Russian Gulags.

Needless to say we all know this type of comparison should not be permitted because it is a false inaccurate comparison. I also know that the Japanese, Blacks and Indians suffered in the US at the hands of the US population and its government. The Japanese, Black and Indian suffering should be presented by each on each of their own merit rather then reducing the impact of the horrors that the Polish people and others suffered at the hands of the Russians. There is a major difference and none should be compared to the other.

I have not seen the exhibit myself, so I am only relying on past newspaper reports describing the exhibit and some personal contacts. I have spoken on many occasions to people in charge at the future exhibit site in California. I have had personal meetings with them and sent the above mentioned film to the people in charge. I also referred �books to them that I felt they should read regarding the gulags. I also received information from the people in charge in California that there is a comparison that is made as stated above but they feel that people viewing the exhibit understand the difference. Unless the exhibit makes it very clear I feel the exhibit will dilute the gulag experience while elevating the Japanese, Black and Indian experiences.

I hope someone representing the Polish people’s experiences will be asked to speak at any ceremony or discussions held during the time the exhibit runs in California. The people in charge in California have requested mementoes from or about the gulags to be loaned to them which I am trying to see how that can be arranged. I have asked if just photos will be sufficient.

Julek

PO BOX 3099

San Bernardino, CA 92413

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria M_M
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:21 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Gulags

Hi Julian. I'm Maria. I read you had a film about the deportation and the Gulags.

Well, as I'm carrying out a project on this topic, I'd be really interested in getting this video somehow.

Could you send it to me, please? Thanks in advance.

Maria.

From: "Julian Plowy" <julian_plowy@eee.org>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Gulags
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:32:29 -0700

Helena,

I would call them and tell them you just received the great news about the conference and exhibit and that surely they can find one more seat somewhere if they some way object or say it is sold out. You might also say that you were referred by the California museum people who will be hosting the gulag exhibit next year just yesterday. So it is not your fault that you are registering late.

Also, I have a film (DVD) about the deportation and the gulags that I can send you (at no charge) to give to them as an offering if they find one more seat for you.

In addition, if all fails tell them that you have access to thousands on the internet and you don’t want them or the exhibit to receive any bad publicity.

Please be nice but firm and don’t take a no. You might think about it and rather then calling just go there in person and us all of the above.

If they can’t give you a meal tell them that is OK and just bring a sandwich and order some water.

By the way the notice sent to me stated that pre registration was required. I just received the notice and made it public.

Please keep us informed. Thank you

Hope this helps you, good luck and God Bless You.

Julek

PO BOX 3099

San Bernardino, CA 92413

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Helena T Hayden
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:44 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Gulags

Julek. I would like to attend the conference but I have a question.
You say preregistration is required.
The internet site you refer to says it's not required, but seating is
limited, and Oct 20 was the deadline to preregister for a meal.
What do you recommend doing, to insure a seat at the conference at this
late date?

Thanks.
Helena
hthayden@juno.com

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#21077

From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Date: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:36 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Re.FW. Gulag Project

elzuniao

http://gallery.kresy-siberia.org/view_album.php?page=3

Louise’s maps are here now

pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

Gallery Administrator

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of lulu
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:04 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Re.FW. Gulag Project

Yes, it is very helpful. I had always assumed that the circles marked places where my father, grandmother and great-grandfather were interred.

But now it seems that my grandmother has circled areas where the Polish army was forming. My father, who was 17 at the time of the Amnesty, went on first. I am not sure where he first joined up, but I know from his Service history it was in the USSR on 26 September 1941. My grandmother stayed on to look after my great-grandfather who subsequently died. I have a Russian death certificate but cannot translate it, so I cannot ascertain where he died. I also have a Summons from the People’s Court addressed to my grandmother who was prosecuted for coming late to work (she worked as a seamstress in town), which may indicate where they were, but again, I cannot translate it. I also have a “Kwit” signed by a Br…. Kwiatkowsky? Dated 16 IV 1942 Semipalatinsk, which I know is one place they were in. I understand my father dug alabaster, but the maps on the site do not mention alabaster.

#21078

From: Krystyna Styrna <thymetrax@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:12 am
Subject: Re: The 'Long Walk' interview

thymetrax

Linder Hello ;

Krystyna , here sorry to be interjecting into your correspondence, I am not an active member or something now, but still read some of the emails of interest.

I have heard of a young man who was born in Estonia of Estonian mother and Russian father found himself deported to some gulag in Syberiain in the 1940's, escaped walked back home. Re-arrested sent to the Syberian gulags ( we calll them that becasue the are sooo very far from Moscow, joke ha ha ). Walked about en route to Europe and evetually to England. As much as I found this story told to me interesting at the time I did not think it unususal. ( sorry the person who shared this is deceased and his wife who is this man's sister has Alzheimers. I will try to find him and verify his story now that we think it unusual/

My dearest mother walked 500 km to visit her sister in the Syberian country side during winter. My mother was a teenager and moved without permission or any papers. She relates that one never stops walking or you'd fall asleep and freeze.. so do keep walking no matter what. She did hitch a ride between wagon trains and hung on for dear life to something for a few miles to get away from her gulag. then she walked and walked. Consequently I have heard two stories and they sound plausible cause if one need to get away from HARM then one just does with much purpose !!!
best of luck to sort this story out
Hugs and blessings
Krystyna

ladbrookelinder <ladbrooke@...> wrote:

Well, I've just listened to the repeat of the interview on UK Radio
4,from this morning. I think that now I'm very confused!

Some fellow has followed the 'supposed' route the writer took [with
modern aids, [sat-nav, mobile phone,food, water etc]and was told,
almost at the end of his journey, that the writer couldn't have done
this 'long walk'. He was amazed to say the least.

Papers from Russian Archives, 'Memorial', Sikorski, NKVD, other
documents
show him to be in a different place, at a different time. Plus there
are two different versions of his background before 1939.

There was nothing about this in any papers he left with his family,
before he died 2 years ago. When he was with Alexander Topolski, at
a 'question & answer' night, he couldn't answer any direct questions
about this.

My conclusion; I still don't know of it's all true, but with back-up
papers from Sikorski, 'Memorial', NKVD, his Amensty + he filled in
the forms himself to join Ander's Army - what do we believe? But it's
a darn good story anyway.

It may be be on 'wwwbbc.co.uk/radio 4', to catch again,[half-hour] up
to 7 days from original recording.[Some progs are]

Well,it will boost book sales, if nothing else!
Linder

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#21079

From: "bechta1936" <bechta1936@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:23 am
Subject: Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp

bechta1936

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Halina Szulakowska"
<hszulakowska@...> wrote:
>Sorry Halina, don't remember any names of "chaps/boys". Girls were
in separate hut. Don't even remember many girls' names, either. We
emigrated to Argentina in 1951, had to learn a new language, earn a
living, etc. so many memories got erased as time went by and life
got in the way. I have a photo by the little shop we used to run,
but only girls on it.  Can ask my brother Emil if you'd like.
Thanks for the info on Hus Bos. We used to run across the field from
the train station in the middle of the night when coming "home" for
holidays.
Aniela - N.Z

> Dear Aniela,
>
> I wonder if you remember a chap from Diddington school called
Florian
> Brodalka?
>
> I'm afraid that I don't have any information about the Polish
Hostel at
> Maghull.
>
> As to the address of the Husbands Bosworth camp... that's actually
a tricky
> one. The airfield was built straddling two counties:
Leicestershire and
> Northamptonshire. If you look at an old plan of the site, then you
will find
> that the main runway (now the Sibbertoft Road linking Welford and
> Sibbertoft) roughly ran along the border of the two counties.
>
> All the documentation that I have from this time, such as a copy
of an
> Alien's Registration Booklet, and severel summons letters to attend
> interviews run by Immigration (held at the camp) have the address
as the
> "Polish Hostel Sulby".
>
> The camp seems to have aquired the name Husbands Bosworth, because
the
> aerodrome was known as 'Husbands Bosworth Airfield' during the
war. But
> actually, all the administrative and dormitory buildings belonging
to the
> RAF, and which later became the five 'Sites' of the Polish oboz,
fall inside
> Northamptonshire. And I do have a letter from immigration
addressed to Site
> 1 (where my family orginally lived) Polish Hostel Sulby,
Northamptonshire.
> It might be that some of the other sites were addressed as being
> Leicestershire. And Husbands Bosworth does fall in Leics. whereas
Sulby,
> Sibbertoft and Welford are all Northants.
>
> But, for example, my sister didn't even know the camp was called
Polish
> Hostel Sulby until I showed her the documentation. Poles called
it "Hus Bos
> camp" and that's how everyone knows it.
>
> Sorry to be so long winded, but this is why I've used both terms
for the
> camp on my website.
>
> Serdeczne pozdrowienia,
> Halina
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of bechta1936
> Sent: 29 October 2006 00:20
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp
>
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Halina Szulakowska"
> <hszulakowska@> wrote:
> >I WAS THERE!! from April 1949 till end of 1950 having arrived
from Koja,
> Uganda settlement. I attended Diddington boarding school. The
address we
> always used on the myriad of forms that a stateless person has to
fill out
> wherever they move, was Husbands Bosworth Polish Hostel, Market
Harborough,
> Leicester (rather than Northampton). We were transferred to Polish
Hostel
> Damfield Lane, Maghull, Lancaster. Wonder if you have any info
about that
> camp.
> Checked your website - a fantastic trip down memory lane! Dziekuje.
> Aniela
> New Zealand
>
>
>
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#21080

From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <ladbrooke@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:13 am
Subject: RE: The 'Long Walk' interview

ladbrookelinder

Thank you Bob

Linder

#21081

From: "simonmrzsp" <simon@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:37 am
Subject: Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp

simonmrzsp

What fun!

I have never visited Hus Bos on the ground although I have flown over
it quite a few times in a glider, once or twice I got to inspect it
from very low down, but got away again. :-)
I used to fly from High Wycombe.
Simon

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Halina Szulakowska"
<hszulakowska@...> wrote:
>
> It is indeed!
>
> I've had the pleasure of flying over the remains of the camp by
glider. It
> was a really nice thing to do.
>
> Also, if anyone ever visits The Soaring Centre, go to the clubhouse
and on
> the wall (as you enter) you will see a framed selection of my
family photos
> with a short write-up about the camp. A friend of my is a gliding
instructor
> and it was his idea that we preserve a bit of the oboz 'memory' in
this
> fashion.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of simonmrzsp
> Sent: 30 October 2006 16:19
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp
>
>
> What an intersting site, I didn't know about the resettlement camp
at
> Hus Bos.
>
> It's now a well known gliding airfield. :-)
>
> Simon
>
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Halina Szulakowska"
> <hszulakowska@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Tadeusz,
> >
> > The Melton Mowbray website does not belong to me, I'm afraid. It
> has been
> > set up by the local library in the town, because people were
coming
> in and
> > asking for information about the oboz - and none existed in their
> archives!
> >
> > The library wrote an article in a local English newspaper asking
> people to
> > come forward with their memories of the camp. A friend of mine
then
> read it
> > and sent me the clipping out of interest. I then suggested to my
> sister that
> > she should write about her time at Melton.
> >
> > I believe that you can still submit
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ted
sebestianski
> >   Sent: 29 October 2006 05:04
> >   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp
> >
> >
> >   Hallo P.Halina.
> >   Reading your stories about Melton-Mow. makes me almost cry.
> >   I would like to ad poem 50-cio lecie Melton-Mowray 1948-1998.
> >   I also have a lot of photos i would,nt mind to add-but that by
> your
> > permision .
> >   I also have four pages of Milienium w Melton Mowbray with photo
> of Ks.
> > Biskup Rubin concecrate the Votum with Father Oles [his family
used
> to live
> > in M-M]
> >   I would like to know who George Lesiak is.
> >   Pozdrawiam Tadeusz.
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Halina Szulakowska
> >     To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> >     Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:53 AM
> >     Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Husbands Bosworth resettlement camp
> >
> >
> >     Dear all,
> >
> >     For the last year or so I've been collecting stories about
life
> on the
> > post-war camp of Husbands Bosworth in Northamptonshire  (which
> appears as
> > Sulby Hostel in official documentation). Both sides of my family
> lived
> > there, although for shorter periods they also resided at Ludford
> Magna,
> > Northwick Park and Melton Mowbray camps.
> >
> >     Three of my articles were published this year in a local
> English paper -
> > The Welford Bugle - about this Polish community. And I have now,
> > subsequently, built a website around these pieces. (A fourth
> article is in
> > the pipeline about Zaduszki on the camp).
> >
> >     I continue to collect people's stories in the hope of
> publishing a small
> > booklet about Husbands Bosworth.
> >
> >     If anyone would like to contact me about this camp or with
> queries about
> > my website, then that would be fantastic. My web URL is:
> >     www.polishcampsulby.co.uk
> >
> >     I've been a member of the KS-group for about the last 4/5
years
> and I
> > know that the history of these resettlement camps has been
referred
> to time
> > and again. I believe this aspect of Polonia history is now re-
> emerging as
> > the next generation of British-born Poles (like myself) starting
> asking how
> > and why the Polish network (in the UK) came into existence.
> >
> >     Serdeczne pozdrowienia,
> >     Halina Szulakowska UK
> >
> >
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#21082

From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:25 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Re.FW. Gulag Project

elzuniao

http://gallery.kresy-siberia.org/SovietCamps

Sometimes this link works and sometimes it doesn’t. If you have problems just go to

and page 3

pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

Gallery Administrator

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-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Olsson
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:37 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Re.FW. Gulag Project

Louise’s maps are here now

pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

Gallery Administrator

Yes, it is very helpful. I had always assumed that the circles marked places where my father, grandmother and great-grandfather were interred.

#21083

From: "Rob Loasby" <loasby@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:58 pm
Subject: RE: The 'Long Walk' interview

robloasby

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6098218.stm

More background information on the programme, and Rawicz, here -

This page also allows you to add comments, and there is already mention of A Forgotten Odyssey, so feel free to add your views or correct others, where necessary!

Regards

Rob

Nottingham, UK

#21084

From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:37 pm
Subject: Louise's maps

elzuniao

http://gallery.kresy-siberia.org/SovietCamps

For those of you who have already looked at the maps – I have now added Antoni’s comments – so please look again!

page 3

pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

Gallery Administrator

#21085

From: "ANTONI KAZIMIERSKI" <askazimierski@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:28 pm
Subject: RE:Louise's Maps

antoni530

Elzunia,

Thank you for adding comments to the maps; also to say how well they are scanned and one can read practically all the station names after 67 years, at least, in the life of these maps. Map 2 is important as it shows how far East we had to travel into the depth of Russia because the Western lines were extremely busy with military traffic both to and from the front; so as not to interfere with the military trains. Traffic around Moscow was overloaded and dangerous because of possible attacs by the German forces. The result of all this was the extended time of travel, starvation, all sorts of health problem causing many unnecessary deaths especially for the weak.

Thank you Louise for sharing the maps with us.

antoni530

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#21086

From: "joe_depa" <joe_depa@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: The 'Long Walk' interview

joe_depa

This is the direct link to the BBC Radio 4 "listen again" service to
hear the programme. (You'll need to have Real Player installed.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/
radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/thelongwalk


Normally, as Linder said, it remains available for 7 days after
broadcast.
Hope this may be of use,
                          Joe.











--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com,
"ladbrookelinder" <ladbrooke@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I've just listened to the repeat of the interview on UK Radio
> 4,from this morning. I think that now I'm very confused!
>
> Some fellow has followed the 'supposed' route the writer took [with
> modern aids, [sat-nav, mobile phone,food, water etc]and was told,
> almost at the end of his journey, that the writer couldn't have
done
> this 'long walk'. He was amazed to say the least.
>
> Papers from Russian Archives, 'Memorial', Sikorski, NKVD, other
> documents
> show him to be in a different place, at a different time. Plus
there
> are two different versions of his background before 1939.
>
> There was nothing about this in any papers he left with his family,
> before he died 2 years ago. When he was with Alexander Topolski, at
> a 'question & answer' night, he couldn't answer any direct
questions
> about this.
>
> My conclusion; I still don't know of it's all true, but with back-
up
> papers from Sikorski, 'Memorial', NKVD, his Amensty + he filled in
> the forms himself to join Ander's Army - what do we believe? But
it's
> a darn good story anyway.
>
> It may be be on 'wwwbbc.co.uk/radio 4', to catch again,[half-hour]
up
> to 7 days from original recording.[Some progs are]
>
> Well,it will boost book sales, if nothing else!
> Linder
>

#21087

From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Date: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:33 pm
Subject: RE: RE:Louise's Maps

elzuniao

I’ve added a Cyrillic alphabet to help with translations.

pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

Gallery Administrator

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ANTONI KAZIMIERSKI
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:29 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] RE:Louise's Maps

Elzunia,

Thank you Louise for sharing the maps with us.

antoni530

Reply | Messages in this Topic (2)

#21088

From: "Tina" <lemyzs@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 2:20 am
Subject: Hello Everyone

mamabearsfan1

I want to intoduce myself. My name is Christopher Szymel. I go by
Chris. My father and his family are from Nowor�dek, Poland. Their
story is the same as a lot of people you see in this group. They were
deported to Syberia on Feb.10 1940. The reason I wanted to join this
group is to see if I could find out any information on what happened
to my grandfather. His name is Stanislaw Szymel. He was arrested on
October 9,1939. The last time they had any contact with him was just
before they were deported. My father, Zbigniew and his brother
Adam,and his two sisters, Zosia and Bogoslawa are still alive. They
are get up in age and I thought that maybe I could try to get them
some information on what happened to their father before it's to late.

That's all for now.
Cze��,
Chris

#21089

From: "ted sebestianski" <tsebestianski@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 3:37 am
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone

tsebestianski@...

Hi Chris...
Sorry i cant help you but can you say Hi to Adam and Zbyszek for me -
friends from Melton-Mowbray.Ted Sebestianski

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tina" <lemyzs@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:20 PM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Hello Everyone

I want to intoduce myself. My name is Christopher Szymel. I go by
Chris. My father and his family are from Nowor�dek, Poland. Their
story is the same as a lot of people you see in this group. They were
deported to Syberia on Feb.10 1940. The reason I wanted to join this
group is to see if I could find out any information on what happened
to my grandfather. His name is Stanislaw Szymel. He was arrested on
October 9,1939. The last time they had any contact with him was just
before they were deported. My father, Zbigniew and his brother
Adam,and his two sisters, Zosia and Bogoslawa are still alive. They
are get up in age and I thought that maybe I could try to get them
some information on what happened to their father before it's to late.

That's all for now.
Czeo�,
Chris

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#21090

From: zofiak <zofiak@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 5:18 am
Subject: RE: Hello Everyone

zofiakrukowksa

Welcome to the group Chris and best of luck in your search. I have always wondered what happened to my grandfather as I was told that he was arrested in the labour camp and that's the last anyone heard of him. I now have a better idea of what happened and where he died. I plan to erect a memorial stone and place it on my grandmother's grave where she is buried in Poland. . It's too bad his family never knew what happened to him and now they are all gone too but at least I, his grand-daughter, have some closure.

Have you tried the karta indeks of the repressed ? http://www.indeks.kara.orgpl/ Press 'wyszukiwanie' and enter your grandfather's name.

By the way where do you live?

Zosia

Victoria,Canada

-----Original Message-----
From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tina
Sent: October 31, 2006 6:20 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Hello Everyone

I want to intoduce myself. My name is Christopher Szymel. I go by
Chris. My father and his family are from Nowor�dek, Poland. Their
story is the same as a lot of people you see in this group. They were
deported to Syberia on Feb.10 1940. The reason I wanted to join this
group is to see if I could find out any information on what happened
to my grandfather. His name is Stanislaw Szymel. He was arrested on
October 9,1939. The last time they had any contact with him was just
before they were deported. My father, Zbigniew and his brother
Adam,and his two sisters, Zosia and Bogoslawa are still alive. They
are get up in age and I thought that maybe I could try to get them
some information on what happened to their father before it's to late.

That's all for now.
Cze��,
Chris

#21091

From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <ladbrooke@...>
Date: Wed Nov 1, 2006 7:51 am
Subject: RE: Re: The 'Long Walk' interview

ladbrookelinder

I wish someone could tell me, in easy terms, how I can record this interview about 'The Long Walk' onto DC/DVD. I think his subect may be talked about for quite some time. I'm not that technially minded. Any lessons please?

Linder