Please welcome Barbara Proko to the group.

I would like to invite some of the earlier members who have not yet done so,
to put a little bit about themselves out to the group just so we can get to
know each other.  (It just might get you some surprising information or
ideas as well!)
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

----------
> From: "Barbara Proko" <bjproko@...>
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:11:25 -0700
> To: swisniowski@...
> Subject: Re: Kresy-Siberia group
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> All my grandparents (Polish Catholics) came from Western Belarus--small
> villages near Radun and Scucin. They emigrated to the US prior to World War
> I and all settled in Worcester, Massachusetts.
>
> I've learned recently that several members of their families in Belarus were
> deported to Siberia and Kazahkstan, either during or after World War II.
> This whole deportation issue is a new topic to me. I have only the barest
> details about who was deported, to where, and what became of them. My family
> doesn't really know.
>
> In the course of my genealogy research over the past 5 years, I've been
> actively involved in identifying and locating cousins in Belarus that my
> family in the US had lost contact with decades ago. I just got back from a
> 2-week trip to Belarus, where I met several cousins, including some whom I
> literally didn't even know existed.
>
> I hope to broaden this circle and reconnect more of our family by learning
> whatever I can about the members whose lives were changed by deportation.
>
> I heard about this group through one of my other listservs, but can't recall
> whether it was Polish Genius or another one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Barbara Proko
> (originally Prokopowicz)

Please welcome Ted to the group.  What an astounding and moving story, Ted,
thank you for sharing it with us.  I always believed that it was the mothers
who were the most amazing heroes of this deportation, especially as many of
them had to take their families forward without their husbands (my own
grandfather died in Aktiubinsk (Uzbekistan) on the train route out of
Siberia).

I am doubly impressed by "Kosmopolitanczykiewiczówna" (did I put the ó in
the right place?).  I think the word may refer to the unwed daughter of Mr
Kosmopolitanczykiewicz, may it not?

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia


> Dear Mr. Wisniowski,
>
> Recently browsing the internet, I noticed your advisory about the
> Kresy-Siberia discussion group as forwarded by Mr. Ted Mirecki, moderator of
> the APAP discussion group in the US (of which I am not a member, but rather a
> periodic browser of its public archives). I do not know Mr. Mirecki, but I
> feel obliged to him for this contact.
>
> I have today applied for membership in your group as you will undoubtedly soon
> discover or already know. My reason for doing so is a strong feeling of
> kinship with people who may share my past and my bleak lack of otherwise good
> and plentiful friends who may even want to but cannot know where I came from
> and how it happened. Underscoring of course that it is possibly important only
> to me, but hoping that maybe some others as me as well.
>
> I was born in Isphahan (Isfahan in Polish) on Oct. 14, 1942. My pregnant (with
> me) mother arrived in Iran (w Persji in family language) on one of the initial
> transports evacuating children and women. My father did not succeed in joining
> her since he died of typhus yet in the Soviet Union (w Rosji in family
> language) before I was born in Iran. He was buried in a mass military grave in
> Kermine.
>
> My mom was faced with the life situation of a fatherless family. A newborn, a
> 5-yr old daughter, and her own mother as responsibilities without a husband in
> time of brutal war and bleak prospects.
>
> My father was a forester (lesniczy), my mom was a school teacher, my
> grandmother was a saint, and my sister is just wonderful.
>
> I am of course the fly in the soup, but I do know some of that history, I have
> plenty of photographs from Iran, Lebanon, and England to share, and I maybe
> may help others as they may help me.
>
> Some of my pertinent background. Arrived in the US in 1952 at 10 years of age
> from England. Latter part of primary education in the US and all of secondary
> and higher education in the US. Citizenship - US only. Nationality - US.
> Morawski is an American name by virtue of American Morawskis. I know it came
> from Poland. Now it is also an American name :) Be kind to me, please?
>
> Once worked up great sweats helping the Polish cause under Soviet (as saw it
> and see it) occupation. Now disinterested in current Polish affairs since it
> is their country without external brute force, and rightly none of my business
> per my own moral requirements. Of course I continue my sentimental well
> wishing, but I now do not have any right of even comment on their own internal
> affairs, and that is just what I have always hoped for with regard to Poland.
>
> Now that I briefly and most likely inadequately farsed about who I am, time to
> end with what I am. Worthless couple of ounces of ash for sure, but while
> still alive and kickin' in my naps on the bus to work ... Electronics engineer
> by early and distant history, into computers before such as compter science
> gained needless recognition at alma maters, did things at AIAA, did things at
> IEEE, did things at mil dot com, now in private for-profit industry in
> publishing related to things heretofore did.
>
> I really am a mild and unargumentative person today. I promise to be friendly.
> I don't flame people on the internet. I would like to join this group of
> people likely just like me.
>
> Ted Morawski
>
> PS - Just to be informative, not in bragging but in advising of resources: I
> think that I speak and write in the Polish language tolerably well. W
> Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcine rzekla na to nasza
> Kosmopolitanczykiewiczowna and such. :)

Hello Wanda
This blank message has just came on to the list.  Are you having some
trouble with an e-mail?
Stefan

--
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Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

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Czesc Wanda
Your messages have not been getting through, but your last one has.  Please
tell us about the monument in Norylsk, Northern Russia!
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

From: rwtruksa@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 15:07:32 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Unable to deliver your message

Czesc Stefan

Are You receiving my messages.  For the lasc couple of days  i have had
retuurned mail by my postmaster with instructions  as above  I am not sure
why.

Does any one of Your group know about pomnik in Norylsk, Northern Russia?

JCBSERV@... wrote:

> ( ... )
> This is a great list, and the website is
> wonderful!  Keep up the good work.
>
>   Jan Birkner
>

      Until the message above, I did not know about that website.
Allow me to agree that it is wonderful. It proved to be particularly
significant to me personally as I followed a link to "The Invited"
about orphans who were sent to New Zealand from Iran (Persia).

      My mother (Wiktoria Morawska) was enrolled in the Polish military
women's auxiliary forces (PSK - Pomocnicza Sluzba Kobiet). As a
formally educated school teacher, she was tasked with organizing and
running some of those orphanages.

      Following the link mentioned above, I came across a photograph
http://www.polishheritage.co.nz/PAHIATUA/SKWARKO/PHOTOS/F01A.HTM
which includes Polish Army major Dymowski and father Tomasik.

      Now, major Dymowski was my godfather and father Tomasik was the
priest who babtised me. From what my mother told me, major Dymowski
dediced to return to Poland after the surrender of Nazi Germany, and no further
word was heard from him. Prior arrangements of further correspondence proved
to be of no avail. My mom and her friends assumed that he may have been
quietly liquidated. If that was not the case, I would very much appreciate
information from anyone knowledgeable about his further history.

      This brings me to a question for Stefan, our gracious moderator. I have
some more photographs of the children in the orphanages, major Dymowski,
father Tomasik, and scenes in Syberia, Lebanon, and England.

      Not to be presumptive, I will begin preparing a rudimentary website posting
some of them on one of the servers available to me - primarily for the purpose
of allowing interested individuals to download any of these photographs which
may be pertinent to their own or their family's histories. Now, I know that
Yahoo discussion groups allow posting of images in storage space dedicated
for images in each group. So here is my question to our moderator:

      Stefan, if you prefer that I post some of these photographs to this group's
storage space - you of course have first rights by my obligation of membership
which you kindly permitted.

      My best wishes to all,
      Ted Morawski

rwtruksa@... wrote:

> Czesc Stefan
> ( ... )
> Does any one of Your group know about pomnik in Norylsk, Northern Russia?

Perhaps this will be helpful. The Charitable Foundation of the Polish Canadian
Congress has issued a financial statement for the period 1996-1998 in which
they list the following line item under the heading - Aid To Poles In Former
Soviet Union:

Sybirak's Association in Gdansk (funds were sent for the plaques for
the obelisk in Norylsk commemorating our countrymen murdered or
perished in Siberia)

The entire financial statement is available on the web at the following URL:
http://www.kpk.org/FC-KPK/kadencja96_98english.htm

That is of course a terse line item from a financial statement, but maybe
through further follow-up with the Canadian Polish Congress and the
recipient organization in Gdansk, you may find more information.

Regards,
Ted Morawski

Ted,
Once again, you have amazing things to share with us.  I will consider your
kind offer of putting your photos on the group site. Do any of the other
group members have photos they could share?
--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
>...
> Not to be presumptive, I will begin preparing a rudimentary website posting
> some of them on one of the servers available to me - primarily for the purpose
> of allowing interested individuals to download any of these photographs which
> may be pertinent to their own or their family's histories. Now, I know that
> Yahoo discussion groups allow posting of images in storage space dedicated
> for images in each group. So here is my question to our moderator:
>
> Stefan, if you prefer that I post some of these photographs to this group's
> storage space - you of course have first rights by my obligation of membership
> which you kindly permitted.
>
> My best wishes to all,
> Ted Morawski

Stefan et al,
I have one photograph that may be of interest to the group - of my
grandmother with a whole bunch of other people (mostly women and
children with a few older men added) at the camp in Kazakhstan.

Grace


> Ted,
> Once again, you have amazing things to share with us.  I will
consider your
> kind offer of putting your photos on the group site. Do any of the
other
> group members have photos they could share?
> --
> Stefan Wisniowski
> Moderator, Kresy-Siberia
> >...
> > Not to be presumptive, I will begin preparing a rudimentary
website posting
> > some of them on one of the servers available to me - primarily
for the purpose
> > of allowing interested individuals to download any of these
photographs which
> > may be pertinent to their own or their family's histories. Now, I
know that
> > Yahoo discussion groups allow posting of images in storage space
dedicated
> > for images in each group. So here is my question to our moderator:
> >
> > Stefan, if you prefer that I post some of these photographs to
this group's
> > storage space - you of course have first rights by my obligation
of membership
> > which you kindly permitted.
> >
> > My best wishes to all,
> > Ted Morawski

Ted,
what a generous offer!!  It would add a whole new dimension to the web-site,
I personally only have one photo to offer...........
janie

I have one photo that my grandmother received from her sister, dated 1947
with the message "Greetings from Siberia." It is a small portrait of the
sister with her daughters. This photo was my only clue to that family's
existence. I would be very happy to share it online. Maybe somehow it will
yield more clues that way.

Many thanks for the kind offer,

Barbara Proko

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If anyone has scanned photographs they wish to appear on the
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people/places/dates etc. for a caption and I'll start to post them on
the site.

Thanks

Steve
steve@...


grace@... wrote:
>
> Stefan et al,
> I have one photograph that may be of interest to the group - of my
> grandmother with a whole bunch of other people (mostly women and
> children with a few older men added) at the camp in Kazakhstan.
>
> Grace

Steve Roy wrote:

>
> If anyone has scanned photographs they wish to appear on the
> ForgottenOdyssey web site, please email them to me with a few words on
> people/places/dates etc. for a caption and I'll start to post them on
> the site.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
> steve@...
>

OK Steve. I sent you 8 jpegs on the children in Persia. Let me
know if there any problems or if you need any help.

Best,

Ted Morawski

Hi Barbara,
Thanks for your photos.  I think that Steve will be able to put the photos
on the sites in the next few days. Meanwhile, they should be openable from
your message posting on our website.

The girl's name that was cut off on the inscription is Jadzia (short for
Jadwiga, from the German "Hedwig", and after the Polish Queen who married
Lithuanian King Jagiello to unite Poland and Lithuania into a commonwealth).

I am forwarding your information about your family to the group, with the
request that anybody who can provide some further information them or on
what may have happened to them.  any theories folks?

Good luck,

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

----------
> From: Bjproko@...
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:27:26 EST
> To: swisniowski@...
> Cc: bjproko@...
> Subject: Romanowski info
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> Here's what I know about who these people are, and the Siberia connection:
>
> My paternal grandmother, Anna Blaszko Prokopowicz (1893-1976), received these
> photos from her sister, Maria Blaszko Romanowski. Anna, Maria and their
> younger brother, Bronislaw Blaszko, were born in Bastuny, Belarus, a small
> village north of Lida, near today's Belarus-Lithuania border. Until 1945,
> this area was within the borders of eastern Poland.
>
> Anna emigrated to the US in 1913, settling in Worcester, Massachusetts. Maria
> and Bronislaw remained in Belarus. The family was Polish-Lithuanian Roman
> Catholic.
>
> "A remembrance from Siberia" is inscribed in Polish on the reverse of the
> photo of Maria Blaszko Romanowski and her daughters, Jadri (?) and
> Stanislawa. The date indicates the photo was mailed 30 July 1947 from
> Paczkow. (There is a Paczkow in southern Poland; perhaps they had been
> relocated there by 1947. There may be other explanations.)
>
> The other photo is Maria's husband, first name unknown, Romanowski. It is
> undated. I don't know whether he and the couple's son, Jan, also were sent to
> Siberia.
>
> *******
>
> Stefan, if you can include my email addresses (bjproko@...,
> bjproko@...) when you post these, I would be very grateful. My hope
> is that someone will see them and perhaps have some knowledge of this family,
> even in terms of the deportation from that area, which still would have been
> eastern Poland during World War II.
>
> Many thanks,
> Barbara Proko
> (originally Prokopowicz)

Thanks Janie
I will forward your photo to Steve for the websites, and your story to the
group - in case anybody has some other connections with Leonard or Karol.
Regards,
Stefan
----------
> From: JMicchelli@...
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:09:22 EST
> To: swisniowski@...
> Subject: Leonard Kruk
>
> Attached is a picture of my father's cousin Leonard Kruk (1897-1969). He
> served in Anders Army, I think he was a corporal (?)  Irena from Stanford
> University had sent me the papers and I forwarded them to his nephew in
> Poland, I'm sure he was interested.  In my notes from Karol, his nephew, I
> have that he and his family were taken to Siberia, he lost a wife and
> daughter.  A son and daughter returned to Poland, the son died about 30 years
> ago, no one seems to know where he was buried, his daughter is still alive,
> although I don't think Karol has contact with her.  Leonard moved to England
> and that is where he died.
>
> The connection we have with Karol, is that Leonard's sister, Zofia (Karol's
> mother), was widowed at a young age, and she married my mother's uncle, who
> was raising my mother (aged 15 yrs.) because she was an orphan.  So Karol and
> my mom grew up together (or at least lived under the same roof for about 4
> years). Wish I had more to offer,
> janie :-)

Thank you for your e-mail but what photos?  I have not sent you any photos!
Regards
BJ

Barbara B Johnson
Senior Records Officer
Records Management Services
Edith Cowan University
Telephone:   08 9273 8261
Mobile:          0409 371 800
E-mail:           b.johnson@...

>>> swisniowski@... 6/11/01 11:07:16 am >>>
Hi Barbara,
Thanks for your photos.  I think that Steve will be able to put the photos
on the sites in the next few days. Meanwhile, they should be openable from
your message posting on our website.

The girl's name that was cut off on the inscription is Jadzia (short for
Jadwiga, from the German "Hedwig", and after the Polish Queen who married
Lithuanian King Jagiello to unite Poland and Lithuania into a commonwealth).

I am forwarding your information about your family to the group, with the
request that anybody who can provide some further information them or on
what may have happened to them.  any theories folks?

Good luck,

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

----------
> From: Bjproko@...
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:27:26 EST
> To: swisniowski@...
> Cc: bjproko@...
> Subject: Romanowski info
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
> Here's what I know about who these people are, and the Siberia connection:
>
> My paternal grandmother, Anna Blaszko Prokopowicz (1893-1976), received these
> photos from her sister, Maria Blaszko Romanowski. Anna, Maria and their
> younger brother, Bronislaw Blaszko, were born in Bastuny, Belarus, a small
> village north of Lida, near today's Belarus-Lithuania border. Until 1945,
> this area was within the borders of eastern Poland.
>
> Anna emigrated to the US in 1913, settling in Worcester, Massachusetts. Maria
> and Bronislaw remained in Belarus. The family was Polish-Lithuanian Roman
> Catholic.
>
> "A remembrance from Siberia" is inscribed in Polish on the reverse of the
> photo of Maria Blaszko Romanowski and her daughters, Jadri (?) and
> Stanislawa. The date indicates the photo was mailed 30 July 1947 from
> Paczkow. (There is a Paczkow in southern Poland; perhaps they had been
> relocated there by 1947. There may be other explanations.)
>
> The other photo is Maria's husband, first name unknown, Romanowski. It is
> undated. I don't know whether he and the couple's son, Jan, also were sent to
> Siberia.
>
> *******
>
> Stefan, if you can include my email addresses (bjproko@...,
> bjproko@...) when you post these, I would be very grateful. My hope
> is that someone will see them and perhaps have some knowledge of this family,
> even in terms of the deportation from that area, which still would have been
> eastern Poland during World War II.
>
> Many thanks,
> Barbara Proko
> (originally Prokopowicz)


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Please welcome another Aussie to the group.  Have you all had a chance to
see the Australian Immigration Department's website book about one group of
Sybiracy refugees that came here?

http://www.immi.gov.au/research/publications/langfitt/index.htm

Regards,
Stefan

--
I would like to introduce myself to the Group.  My name is Barbara Johnson
(Kuriata), I live in Perth Western Australia and both of my parents and
their parents were sent to Siberia during the Second World War.  We have a
very strong Polish Community here in Perth with a strong Siberian Group
called Kolo Sybiraków.  My Aunt is a keen member and has fuelled my
interest.  I am looking forward to receiving and sharing information about
our people in Poland, Siberia and later. Regards BJ

Barbara B Johnson
Senior Records Officer
Records Management Services
Edith Cowan University
Telephone: +61 8 9273 8261
Mobile:    +61 409 371 800
E-mail:    b.johnson@...

Stefan Wisniowski wrote:

> Please welcome another Aussie to the group.  Have you all had a chance to
> see the Australian Immigration Department's website book about one group of
> Sybiracy refugees that came here?
>
> http://www.immi.gov.au/research/publications/langfitt/index.htm
>
> Regards,
> Stefan
>
> --
> I would like to introduce myself to the Group.  My name is Barbara Johnson
> (Kuriata), I live in Perth Western Australia and both of my parents and
> their parents were sent to Siberia during the Second World War.  We have a
> very strong Polish Community here in Perth with a strong Siberian Group
> called Kolo Sybiraków.  My Aunt is a keen member and has fuelled my
> interest.  I am looking forward to receiving and sharing information about
> our people in Poland, Siberia and later. Regards BJ
>
> Barbara B Johnson
> Senior Records Officer
> Records Management Services
> Edith Cowan University
> Telephone: +61 8 9273 8261
> Mobile:    +61 409 371 800
> E-mail:    b.johnson@...

Hello Barbara,

I was interested in what you wrote and hope read more of your letters. Reading
the website which Stefan linked above, I learned that some of the refugees from
camps in Africa were resettled in Australia. I wasn't aware of that. I did know
that some of them went to England because my mother-in-law and her family
(Bortkiewicz) did so. I don't know the name of their camp in Africa but I
know it was near Mt. Ngorongoro in Kenya I think.

As to those who went to Australia, I'd like to mention that some later also
settled there from Lebanon after the Polish refugee community in that
country was dispersed by further resettlement in 1950. While my family were
shipped to a camp in England, some others did choose to go to Australia.
Among these was my little childhood friend from Beirut, Tereska Perlowska.
I met her again one last time in the 60's in New York when she was in the
course of a round-the-world trip which I understand is somewhat of a tradition
among young Australians. Perhaps you may have heard of her in your community.

Welcome,
Ted Morawski

Bogdan Wilamowski wrote:

> Dear Colleauges,I came across this web page, whilst searching for some of my
surnames, and felt it consistent with the group.Title: "Wykaz czesci majatkow
polskich w Republice Litewskiej
1919-1939http://www.uni.torun.pl/~zenkiewicz/Publikacja/wykaz.html It is an
alphabetic site, in Polish only. The site is part of the holdings in the
University of Torun..follow the links some of which are in English..you may find
an ancestor who was an authour..I do believe that the University does have
further information on the Kresy/Belarus area...Good LuckKind RegardsBogdan
..(Derby, East Midlands UK)

Very interesting material. Thank you sir. The link works just fine with MS
Internet Explorer
but some Netscape browsers may have trouble with it (e.g., Netscape 4.7). If
your
browser returns a "page not found" error, use the link
http://www.uni.torun.pl/~zenkiewicz/
and proceed navigating through publikacje etc.

Thanks,
Ted Morawski

Thanks Stefan.
BJ

Barbara B Johnson
Senior Records Officer
Records Management Services
Edith Cowan University
Telephone:   08 9273 8261
Mobile:          0409 371 800
E-mail:           b.johnson@...

>>> swisniowski@... 6/11/01 7:46:00 pm >>>
Please welcome another Aussie to the group.  Have you all had a chance to
see the Australian Immigration Department's website book about one group of
Sybiracy refugees that came here?

http://www.immi.gov.au/research/publications/langfitt/index.htm

Regards,
Stefan

--
I would like to introduce myself to the Group.  My name is Barbara Johnson
(Kuriata), I live in Perth Western Australia and both of my parents and
their parents were sent to Siberia during the Second World War.  We have a
very strong Polish Community here in Perth with a strong Siberian Group
called Kolo Sybiraków.  My Aunt is a keen member and has fuelled my
interest.  I am looking forward to receiving and sharing information about
our people in Poland, Siberia and later. Regards BJ

Barbara B Johnson
Senior Records Officer
Records Management Services
Edith Cowan University
Telephone: +61 8 9273 8261
Mobile:    +61 409 371 800
E-mail:    b.johnson@...



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Good morning.  My computer tells me that this page cannot be found?
Regards
BJ

Barbara B Johnson
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Bogdan Wilamowski wrote:

> Dear Colleauges,I came across this web page, whilst searching for some of my
surnames, and felt it consistent with the group.Title: "Wykaz czesci majatkow
polskich w Republice Litewskiej
1919-1939http://www.uni.torun.pl/~zenkiewicz/Publikacja/wykaz.html It is an
alphabetic site, in Polish only. The site is part of the holdings in the
University of Torun..follow the links some of which are in English..you may find
an ancestor who was an authour..I do believe that the University does have
further information on the Kresy/Belarus area...Good LuckKind RegardsBogdan
..(Derby, East Midlands UK)

Very interesting material. Thank you sir. The link works just fine with MS
Internet Explorer
but some Netscape browsers may have trouble with it (e.g., Netscape 4.7). If
your
browser returns a "page not found" error, use the link
http://www.uni.torun.pl/~zenkiewicz/
and proceed navigating through publikacje etc.

Thanks,
Ted Morawski


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From: Eve5J@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:41:33 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Pre-War List of Osada in Kresy

Greetings listers,

Does anyone know whether or not the Government of Poland
ever compiled a complete list of all Kresy osada (settlements)
that were in existence prior to the start of World War II?  Since
many osada were totally destroyed during the War or by the
Soviets, I would hate to think that there is no official record of
these places.  It would also be nice to know exactly which
osada were destroyed and which (hopefully) were incorporated
into the villages that they were next to, but I know it would be a
miracle to find this out!

Paul Havers, also a member of our group, has put forth his
best effort as always, and has a list of osada on his Kresy site,
but it is not all inclusive.

It occurred to me that if one does not know which village was
next to the osada or village in question, one may never be
able to locate the place, which is truly horrible.  I am fortunate
in that I do know the name of the place of my father's birth.  
It was Hallerczyn, next to the village of Wysocko, which is near
Brody.   The Wisniowski and Jesionka families were deported
from Brody on the same day, 10 February 1940.  Of course,
you all know Stefan Wisniowski, who is the moderator of this
list.  My grandfather Maksymilian owned the mill in Hallerczyn.
I think Stefan's grandfather was similar to what we call in the
US, the county extension agent.  His job was to inform local
farmers of the newest methods or to help them with specific
problems related to farming.  We both like to think our
grandfathers knew one another, and I am fairly certain that
they did.  I can imagine Stefan's grandfather asking mine,
"Maks, from what you've seen of the crops, who needs
my help?"   

Eve Jankowicz
New Jersey, USA

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Eve

I have some more names of "Osady" to add to the web page, but as I've been
neglecting the family page for a while and concentrating on the Kresy pages
I feel that I have to devote a bit more of my time to the other page and
bring it up to date. Unfortunately the updates to Kresy pages will be put
on hold for a few weeks, unless something extremely important is needed. I
do believe(but don't quote me on it) that the "Archiwum Akt Zabuzanskich"
in Warsaw might be of help in this case. They have all the documents from
the Borderlands areas that the Soviets "graciously" returned to Poland.
Additionally some information is in the ABAP Archives in Krakow (
http://www.havers-family.co.uk/archives.html ) they might be worth a stab
in the dark for information. The only hiccup that I can foresee is the cost
of research in those Archives, I would suggest using someone like PIAST in
Warsaw as he's very reasonable in his fees.

Majority of the "Osady" have been either destroyed by the Soviets/Germans
or in the later stages by the UPA during their reign of terror, so finding
any info on the ones that have been obliterated is proving almost
impossible. I'm getting some nasty emails from the Ukrainian circles as
they don't seem to like the content of my pages and are trying to install
on me their home grown "truth". (Even had a hacker try to destroy my
pages). They don't wish to acknowledge the existence of those settlements
that were destroyed and the surviving ones have been "Ukranised".


Paul