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#14036 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:32 pm
Subject: FW: polish refugees in iran skwisniowski
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Hi
Have I already passed on this link from Lucyna to you all? It’s got photos of Polish refugees in Iran.
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Stefan Wisniowski (moderator)
Sydney, Australia

From: "Lucyna Artymiuk"

Subject: polish refugees in iran

http://www.parstimes.com/history/polish_refugees/

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#14037 From: Krystyna <thymetrax@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: FW: polish refugees in iran thymetrax
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Hello Stefan;
cannot open below mentioned web site...any suggestions?

Krystyna S-E

Richmond Hill, Canada

Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...> wrote:

Hi
Have I already passed on this link from Lucyna to you all? It�s got photos of Polish refugees in Iran.
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Stefan Wisniowski (moderator)
Sydney, Australia

From: "Lucyna Artymiuk"

Subject: polish refugees in iran

http://www.parstimes.com/history/polish_refugees/

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#14038 From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:46 pm
Subject: Member statistics elzuniao
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A while ago someone was asking about member statistics.

I’ve been working on a list of current (481) and former members of the group.

Bearing in mind that I have a total of 537 e-mail addresses, out of this 194 don’t specify a country.

After a lot of guesswork, the main countries look like this:

UK 93

USA 89

Canada 61

Australia 28

Poland 28

New Zealand 11

Pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

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#14039 From: "Krys Dobrzanski" <krysdobrzanski@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: message to Linder krysdobrzanski
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Hi Linder, you asked a while ago about the address or details for 'Lest We
Forget Productions' it's,

19, Shaa Road
London
W3 7LW

TEL: 020 8740 0360
FAX: 020 8742 9086

Email: lestweforgetproductions@...

I'm really sorry if this is now too late or no longer necessary.

With kindest regards,

Krys
Ipswich, England

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#14040 From: "BARBARA CHARUBA" <charubab@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:59 pm
Subject: Change of E-mail Addreess charubab
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Please Note:

I have just changed my internet provider and consequently my e-mail address. It is now charubab@.....

Barbara Charuba

Barrie ON

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#14041 From: "Danusia" <danusias@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:36 pm
Subject: New Member danuta767
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Hello Members

I have recently joined the group - and what an active group it is! My name is Danusia Socha. I live in London but was born in Chelmsford, Essex. Until I was two I lived with my parents in the Polish Refugee Camp in Kelvedon (Rivenhall), Essex before moving to London. I continued to visit family friends living in the camp until the camp closed in the mid 1950's. Intermittently I have been working on my family tree and history and would be very interested to hear from anyone in the group who has any information about the camp in Kelvedon to help me fill in the gaps.

My mother was Halina Socha nee Helena Derewonko, from a small village called Kamianki, now in Podlasie. I am still trying to piece all the details of her journey to England, but I do know she was arrested on route to Kamianki from Warsaw in 1940, deported to Siberia - where to is not clear- then miraculously was able to leave the USSR after 'the amnesty' and followed the route familiar to you all of Pahlevi, Teheran and I think the Lebanon before coming to England.She was greatly helped by a man whose surname was 'Jusko' and she took his surname - entering Pahlevi under the name of Halina Jusko. She always spoke of him with great warmth and maintained that only through his enormous kindness and support did she survive typhus,dysentery and the terrible ordeals of her Siberian experience.

My father was Aleksy Socha. He was in the Polish army when he was arrested, imprisoned and then sent to work in the labour camp and mines in Workuta. After his release he joined Anders' army and fought in Monte Cassino coming to England in 1947, where my parents met - and here I am.

Although my mother (who sadly passed away in 1967) told me much about her experiences - it is only recently that I can say that I am beginning to grasp the enormity of what happened to my parents and the thousands upon thousands of Poles at that time and the long term impact it has had on their lives and of their children.Their stories do need to be told and I congratulate members of this group for continuing to raise these issues around the world.

I recently came across on the web an interview for BBC Bradford by Helena Danielczuk (who I think is a member of this group) and Czeslawa Tarnowska on the deportations and as a second generation 'Anglo-Pole' could relate to so much they were both saying, especially Hela. Thank you to you both.I include the link for other members if they have not read or heard it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/bradford/big_questions/poland_deportations_to_ussr_1940.shtml

Kind Regards to all members

Danusia Socha

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#14042 From: "BARBARA CHARUBA" <charubab@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:04 pm
Subject: Fw: Change of E-mail Addreess charubab
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I am resending this to male sure it went through.

Stefan:

Could you make the appropriate change in the MORAWSKI record in the Database?

Thanks

Barbara Charuba

Barrie Canada

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Please Note:

I have just changed my internet provider and consequently my e-mail address. It is now charubab@.....

Barbara Charuba

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#14043 From: rlipinsk@...
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: For Romuald rlipinsk
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Hi Ryszard,
The story about the priest who kept his booz for himself is interesting because
in Italy there was plenty of it all around. When we were in the Apenin
Mountains, on river Sangro, during the winter 1943/44, we were getting a good
shot of rum (I don't remember was it per week or more). We used to put it into
one pot, add to it some strawberry preserve and water and boil it. It made a
potent drink. Later on, on the Adriatic, there was plenty of wine. In one empty
house we found 200 bottles of excellent vermouth...
Regards
Romuald

Dear Romuald, you are right. In war, someone has to dispose of the dead. And at Monte Cassino, ordinary front line soldiers were often ordered to collect bodies from the battleground and bury them. It was a job no-one wanted to do. It was so unpleasant that the soldiers could only carry it out after drinking as much alcohol as they could beg, borrow or steal. My father, who was a front line soldier at the battle (3DSK, and who received his cross), use to tell me that one day his unit was ordered to perform this unpleasant duty at Cassino. The only alcohol they could discover was in the possession of the Polish priest who refused to give it up because, as he explained, he "needed it for himself". Thirty years later, my father had still not brought himself to forgive this particular priest. Ryszard Antolak rlipinsk@... wrote: > Hi Mike, > Your message pazzled me. I did not know that there was such a unit called "Mobile Casualty Clearing Station", but when I think about it there must have been. In a war there are casualties (killed)and somebody must take care of them. The wounded go the a sanitary station but the dead must be taken care of. From your message I see that he went through the entire Italian campaign. If he was assigned to some line regiment then he was right in the line of fire, just as any other soldier. If, on the other hand he was in a special unit that collected the bodies after the battle - then he was somewhere at the back and went to action when it was all over. But since he got Monte Cassino Cross, he must have been where the action was. Not everybody got the Cross. Those who were at the back, who did not participate in the battle, did not get it. I have friends whose detachments did not go up on the hills at M. Cassino and they did not get the Cross. I don't know if this help you, but tha > t's what I can say. > Pozdrowienia > Romuald

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#14044 From: rlipinsk@...
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: New Member rlipinsk
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Dear Danusia,
Thank you for sharing the interview of Ms. Danielczuk with us. As a survivor of
the Siberia, I know all this very well but what is significant is that there is
an effort of some of us to educate the world about the "Polish Holocaust".
Ignorance of the West on this subject is appalling. We, the witnesses of this
crime are disappearing fast and soon it will be forgotten...
Regards
Romuald
Virginia USA

Hello Members

http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/bradford/big_questions/poland_deportations_to_ussr_1940.shtml

Kind Regards to all members

Danusia Socha

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#14045 From: HJ Trevelyan <hjtrevelyan@...>
Date: Sun Feb 27, 2005 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: Two letters on Soviet Memorial in LA Times on 2/27/05 hjtrevelyan
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Dear Group,

The following 2 letters appear in today's (Sunday, February 27, 2005) Los Angeles Times:

"Soviet Memorial Insults the Victims of Atrocities

February 27, 2005

I read the Feb. 20 commentary, "A Soviet Memorial Etched by Ambiguity," with particular interest and have a few suggestions. When the citizens of West Hollywood erect their Soviet memorial, may I suggest that a memorial also be erected to the millions of victims of Soviet terror who were slaughtered with the help and complicity of the Red Army. Perhaps West Hollywood could erect a memorial to the Polish Katyn Forest victims, shot in the back of the head and dumped in a ditch in the woods. How about a memorial to the hundreds of thousands of Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Poles, Ukrainians and many other ethnic groups who were rounded up in the middle of the night by Soviet soldiers, crammed into unheated cattle cars and driven for weeks into the Godforsaken tundra or taiga to work or starve to death?

Could there be a reference to the fact that the Soviet Union is estimated to have been perhaps the greatest killing machine in history? Could there be a reference to the fact that, although the terrible Nazi occupation lasted in many instances from 1939 to 1945, in many countries the equally horrible Soviet occupation lasted until 1991?

Richard J. Widerynski

Long Beach

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The idea of the monument for the Soviet soldiers is an insult to the survivors of gulags and Siberian deportees. I am one of them and I protest.

Dezyderiusz Lachocki

Wayne, N.J."

Many thanks to our wonderful members who wrote to The Times!

Cordially,

Hala T.-- Los Angeles

HJ Trevelyan <hjtrevelyan@...> wrote:

Hi Joyce and Group,

Since the 2/8/05 article ("City to Honor Sacrifices of Soviet Soldiers") is no longer available on the Los Angeles Times website, I am including it below for whose who have not read it as yet. Message #13,923 has the opinion section piece of 2/20/05 ("A Soviet Memorial Etched in Ambiguity"), and, of course, Joyce's message below takes us to the official website of the city of West Hollywood, California (a suburb of Los Angeles) where the memorial is to be erected.

CALIFORNIA

"City to Honor Sacrifices of Soviet Soldiers

West Hollywood, home to many Russian immigrants, is planning to build a memorial to fighters who served during WWII.

By Ann M. Simmons
Times Staff Writer

February 8, 2005

Naum Sapozhnikov got his first taste of combat during the Battle of Stalingrad.

"It was the most terrible experience of my life," Sapozhnikov said. "The Germans started to bomb. Everything was on fire. It was unbelievable."

He was then just 22, eager to defend Mother Russia. In the end, he and his comrades prevailed. The battle marked a turning point in World War II, halting the Nazi offensive and destroying much of Hitler's army. More than 1 million Soviets were killed or succumbed to disease or starvation.

The sacrifices of Sapozhnikov's fallen comrades � and of those who also somehow managed to survive � will soon be recognized in West Hollywood, the artsy, eclectic city many former soldiers now call home.

The memorial � a sloping triangular slab of red granite on a raised platform � is scheduled to be installed this spring in West Hollywood's Plummer Park, in the heart of the area's Russian-speaking immigrant community.

West Hollywood officials said the monument is the first such tribute in the U.S. to veterans of a foreign army.

"It's a symbol for a bright future," said Yefim Stolyarskiy, 83, president of the Los Angeles Assn. of Veterans of WWII, which has 538 members. A lieutenant colonel from the former Soviet republic of Moldova, he served 30 years in the Red Army. "It's a reminder of how people gave their lives for future generations."

Stolyarskiy and other veterans gathered recently at Plummer Park to reminisce about the war and explain why such a monument was important for West Hollywood. Wearing a green army uniform decorated with 22 military medals and six government awards, Stolyarskiy said that though twice wounded during the war, his commitment to Russia never wavered.

"I wasn't afraid of death," said Stolyarskiy. "I felt a high duty to defend my native country."

Now, he has a new country, and the monument demonstrates how the world has changed.

"Today, we have democracy and peace," said Efim Kutz, a Ukrainian native, former army sergeant and a founding member of the veterans group, who emigrated from Kiev in 1977. "We hope that this monument will at some stage belong to the whole city."

It will be unveiled May 8, a day before Victory Day, when the former Soviet Union officially observes the end of what Russians still call the Great Patriotic War. Russian-speakers comprise about 6,000 of West Hollywood's 37,000 residents, according to city statistics. Most of them, like the aging veterans, are Jews who began immigrating to Los Angeles in the 1970s as refugees fleeing religious and political persecution.

The community has since blossomed into a thriving enclave with Russian-language bookstores, kosher shops and a hodgepodge of businesses sporting signs in the Cyrillic alphabet.

The veterans had been lobbying for a monument for the last eight years, Stolyarskiy said.

In 2001, City Councilman Jeffrey Prang introduced a proposal to donate a piece of land in Plummer Park, along with city administrative and logistical services, for the project. A citizens commission of community members and city officials solicited public submissions for the design of the structure and selected the winner.

A rendering by Mikhail Naruzetskiy, 74, a sculptor from Ukraine who came to West Hollywood in 1993, beat about a dozen other designs.

Rising to an 8-foot, 6-inch peak, the slanting 7-ton triangular mound will feature three white cranes and the engravings of four lines from a poem titled "Cranes" by Soviet poet Rasul Gamzatov. The poem became a much-loved song in Russia about World War II soldiers who never made it home.

The historical reality is sad, but the message is supposed to be uplifting, said Naruzetskiy, who designed several memorials in his home country.

"It's meant to fit into the atmosphere of the park," he said. "In Russia, we have sad monuments. Here, we have a park, and white birds are a joyous memory."

Prang said the monument would cost around $100,000. Funding has come from private and business donations, along with contributions from the city of West Hollywood and Los Angeles County.

The Hollywood Forever Cemetery, where many movie stars are buried, agreed to build the monument, which was chiseled in India.

Cemetery President Tyler Cassity, whose company is subsidizing the cost of its work, said at least 10,000 Russian speakers are interred at Hollywood Forever. Planning for the monument was not without dispute.

One group of veterans felt some names should be engraved on the monument; others preferred leaving it blank.

"There was dissension and disagreement over the names themselves, and not everyone would be able to have their names on the monument," Cassity recalled.

Hollywood Forever came up with a solution.

A bench and TV monitor will be mounted in front of the monument. Visitors will have access to a liquid-crystal touch-screen that will display a photo or video clip of old soldiers relating their life story on camera, or through a voice-over.

Natalie Parker, the cemetery's documentary filmmaker, has collected about 5,000 oral histories from Russian speakers in the community, and many clips to be used at the monument will be drawn from that collection. Other interviews are still to be done.

But many community members initially viewed the film project with skepticism, wondering why the stories of ordinary soldiers would be of interest.

"A lot of people think their lives are just regular lives and their stories don't need to be told," said Parker, a native of Moscow, who came to the United States in 1991. "But each life is just a magnificent experience."

Many of the veterans came to America as seniors, to join children who had settled in West Hollywood. "These are incredibly hearty people with amazing life histories, that demand to be heard and deserve to be heard," Prang said.

"They survived the Holocaust. They survived the Nazi invasion of their country. They survived Josef Stalin, who was an anti-Semite. And they survived communism," he said.

For Sapozhnikov, the war meant the loss of his family.

Many of Sapozhnikov's relatives were killed at Babi Yar, a ravine in Kiev where the Nazis executed as many as 150,000 Jews and 50,000 others.

Now 86, the former aviation engineer wore an old uniform bedecked with medals as he described with military precision his time in the Soviet Air Force, which he left with the rank of lieutenant colonel.

"I served 27 years and three months," he said.

Vladimir Barkon, 80, enlisted in the army at age 16. By 17, he found himself amid the carnage at Stalingrad, now called Volgograd. He survived a bout of typhus and was injured four times, incurring wounds to his head, leg and face from shrapnel and a grenade.

"I saw my uncle killed before my eyes," he said.

Barkon, an army captain, proudly recalled how he helped liberate several countries across Europe and joyfully shook hands with American soldiers on the banks of the Elbe River, as the allies met and rejoiced at the impending defeat of Nazi Germany.

As the number of Soviet veterans in West Hollywood declines � 30 died last year � many community elders are saddened that young people don't know or appreciate the role their grandparents played during the war, or the global alliances that existed at that time.

"In America, youth don't know that Russia, America and England collaborated in the war against fascism," said Naruzetskiy, the sculptor.

"They should remember how much blood was spilled, how many lives were taken by the war," Sapozhnikov said. "Many talented young people were killed."

But Prang says the message behind the monument will speak to viewers of all ages and backgrounds. "Even though it's about former Soviet veterans," he said, "it's about American citizens, American residents, American immigrants who have become part of the fabric of our community�. They are people who contributed to world peace and justice."

Cordially,

Hala T.

Los Angeles

joyce kelly <joyjoykelly@...> wrote:

Dear Group,

Here is a little more about the Soviet Memorial in West Hollywood. It was supported by Councilman Sal Guarriello of West Hollywood. He would probably be a good person to write as well as the Mayor of West Hollywood. This article says that 30% of the city's population is Russian speaking. This is from the West Hollywood website.

http://www.weho.org/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=story&ID=1194&mode=Web

West Hollywood Groundbreaking for Monument Honoring Russian World War II Veterans to be held on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 (CANCELLED)

(2/18/2005)

The following event has been cancelled due to inclement weather. It will be rescheduled for a later date:

The City of West Hollywood will hold a groundbreaking ceremony for a Russian Veterans Monument to be built at Plummer Park, 7377 Santa Monica Boulevard in West Hollywood. Members of the West Hollywood City Council will speak, as well as the designer and contractor for the site. The ceremony will take place Tuesday, February, 22nd at 5 p.m.

The Monument, a sloping triangular slab of red granite on a raised platform, will be unveiled this spring. The West Hollywood City Council approved the Russian Veterans Memorial to recognize the sacrifices of the City's Russian-speaking World War II Veterans. The Russian-speaking population makes up nearly 30 percent of the City of West Hollywood population.

------For contact information on the Councilmembers of West Hollywood go to:

http://www.weho.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=nav&navid=16

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#14046 From: Egon Wojciulewicz <egon@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:47 am
Subject: Re: Member statistics egonw
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If it may be of interest : I live in Belgium.

Regards
Egon

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On Sun Feb 27 10:46 , "Elizabeth Olsson" sent:

A while ago someone was asking about member statistics.

IR17;ve been working on a list of current (481) and former members of the group.

Bearing in mind that I have a total of 537 e-mail addresses, out of this 194 don�t specify a country.

After a lot of guesswork, the main countries look like this:

UK                93

USA              89

Canada          61

Australia         28

Poland           28

New Zealand 11

Pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

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#14047 From: jagna8@...
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:51 am
Subject: Re: Two letters on Soviet Memorial in LA Times on 2/27/05 jagna8@...
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Well done Rich and Dez!!!

Jagna

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#14048 From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:59 am
Subject: Re: Member statistics elzuniao
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Yes, thank you - these sort of addresses are impossible to guess.

pozdrowienia

Elzunia

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From: Egon Wojciulewicz <egon@...>
To: '2.Kresy-Siberia' <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>, 'Elizabeth Olsson' <elzunia@...>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:47:25 -0600
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Member statistics

If it may be of interest : I live in Belgium.

Regards
Egon

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On Sun Feb 27 10:46 , "Elizabeth Olsson" sent:

A while ago someone was asking about member statistics.

IR17;ve been working on a list of current (481) and former members of the group.

Bearing in mind that I have a total of 537 e-mail addresses, out of this 194 don�t specify a country.
After a lot of guesswork, the main countries look like this:

UK                 93
USA               89
Canada          61
Australia          28
Poland            28
New Zealand 11

Pozdrowienia
Elzunia Olsson
Sweden

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#14049 From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <ladbrooke@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:24 am
Subject: RE: Buried at Monte Cassino linderladbrooke
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Hi,

Would it be possible for me also to find this list?

Linder

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From: Krystyna Butler [mailto:butlerkrystyna@...]
Sent: 17 February 2005 20:48
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Buried at Monte Cassino

Hi Marek, where did you see the list of names of individuals who fought at Monte Casino. I would love to get a copy of this.....Krystyna

Mark <markkus@...> wrote:
Hi Everyone, It's been a while since I write, but I am always reading the posts. I have found that the list of names mentioned in the Monte Cassino list is not complete as my uncle Tadeusz Hanowski is buried there but not on the list I have contacted the site and I will have to forward a photo of the grave and headstone with his name..of which I have. Regards. Mark Kusiewicz (Hanowski) Canada

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#14050 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:24 am
Subject: Re: Polish relatives search "Nakwasiewicz" skwisniowski
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Hello Ms Ozerenko

Thank you for your letter. It is unusual for a Polish surname not to appear in Poland any more. You have spelled the name in may different ways – are you sure about the original Polish spelling? Of course, it would have been written in Russian-Cyrillic over the years.

Also, the name Kwasniewicz seems to be fairly quite common in Poland.

In any case, I am forwarding this letter to the Kresy-Siberia group, in the hope that one of our members may be able to assist with names (or one of our South American members with information!)

Best wishes,

Stefan Wisniowski, Moderator

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From: Galina.Ozerenko@...
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:30:52 +0300
Subject: Polish relatives search

Dear Mr. Wisniowski,

  William Hoffman recommended me to contact you because I’m seeking my
  Polish routes and relatives. Without any significant success I’ve been
  doing such the searches for couple of last years since my mother (who is
  76) eagerly wants to get any information about her family. Mom’s maiden
  name was Alina Nakwasiewicz.

  Though I have no certain information about my great-grandmother Sophia
  (died in the end of 1918 in St.Petersburg), my great-grandfather
  Mieczyslaw’s was born in 1870, his son (my grandfather) Sigmund
  Nakwasiewisz was born in 1909. After October Revolution they stayed in
  Russia and lived there up to very their ends in 1938 and 1964
  respectively. Due to known events of the 1917-1956 period that was kind
  of risky to be a Pole in Soviet Union so my mom knows almost nothing
  about her family history. Besides all family members were repressed –
  both Mieczyslaw and Sigmund were arrested and imprisoned (in 1928 and
  1949 correspondingly), their daughter and sister Halina Nakwasiewisz-
  Zelenina was arrested in 1938 and died in concentration camp – we don’t
  even know exactly when and where, but presumably in Kazakhstan. Actually
  the unhappy history of my family is not only quite tragic but full of
  vagueness and omissions.

  The only thing we are positive completely is that Mieczyslaw Nakwasiewisz
  and his dad Waclaw were the lawyers with university diplomas –
  unfortunately we don’t even know which Universities exactly. I sent
  inquiry letters to Warsaw and Krakow Universities – there were no
  Nakwasiewiszs found among the graduates. Now I’m going to make the same
  try for Poznan University though foresee it also to be rather hopeless.

  But there was a person who could possibly be found - my grandpa’s elder
  brother Victor Nakvasiewisz (or at least his descendants). Sometimes I
  thing that he was very a key figure in whole the story. Victor was at
  White Army starting 1918 – he fled from St.Petersburg to Don River after
  beginning of Red Terror. Victor left Russia for Poland in 1921 the latest
  and then immigrated to Argentina presumably in 1929. That was an end of
  1928 when my grandfather Sigmund got from him the last letter in which
  Victor wrote about his decision to go to South America. The
  correspondence was broken off since their dad was arrested in December
  1928.

  I know that Polish Diaspora maintains many databases containing surnames
  of it’s members in many countries. I suppose that you personally keep
  such a DB for Australia – regarding your e-mail address. Could you check
  for me your lists concerning surname Nakvasiewisz? We never know where
  can find things looked for.

  Mr. Hoffman wrote me that he didn't find Nakvasiewisz in DB oficially
  published in 2002 by Polish Govnt and containg all surnames of Poland
  citizens. He either assumed that you could advise me some hints for the
  following steps in my investigations.

  Please believe that I will appreciate very much any information you can
  provide.
  Thank you in advance

  Galina Korshak-Ozerenko

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#14051 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:41 am
Subject: Osada Jazlowiecka skwisniowski
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This osada is mentioned in Stalins Ethnic Cleansing. I believe it is referred to as being in the Rowne district..
http://www.stalinsethniccleansing.com/content/history01.htm

I have lent my copy of the book out, but maybe Ewa or someone else can check and see what it says about that Osada’s location.
--
Stefan Wisniowski (moderator)
Sydney, Australia

Here is a pre WWII map of most likely where your Jazłowiecka Osada was located. It is a town
located in the pre WWII Polish Province (Wojewóctywo) of Tarnopol, in county or Powiat of Buczacz.
It is south of Buczacz about 20 km.

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#14052 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: New book - "Wspomnienia polonijnych Sybirakow" Memories o... skwisniowski
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Dezio
He can be reached at
Henryk Scigala <hcscigala@...>

I suggest you send him a check for $15 with your address.
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From: Dlachocki@...
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:29:31 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] New book - "Wspomnienia polonijnych Sybirakow" Memories o...

In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:53:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, swisniowski@... writes:

Dear Group,

"Wspomnienia polonijnych Sybirakow" IS published by Siberian Society in USA – Chicago. Chicago and Krakow at Druk:Wydawnictwo Radamsa, Krakow, ul.Szymanowskiego 10. ISBN 83-86552-25-5.

Available for US$15, including postage, from:

I Would like to buy your book "Wspomnienia Polonijnych Sybirakow" w Polskim jezyku.
Moj adres: Dezio Lachocki, 15 Lake Road, Wayne NJ 07470 and E-mail address is:
Dlachocki@...
Dziekuje z gory.
Dezio Lachocki, Wayne, NJ.

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#14053 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: To Alicja - Cattle train footage. skwisniowski
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Julek
See them at http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=AlicjaEdwards
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From: "Jay Plowy" <julian_plowy@...>
Alicija,

I am also interested in prints in depicting the deportation of Poles. Where can I see them?

Julek

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#14054 From: Eve5J@...
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:01 am
Subject: Re: Two letters on Soviet Memorial in LA Times on 2/27/05 eve5j
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Way to go, Ryszard and Dezyderiusz! Great letters! Spectacular!

Eve Jankowicz

"Soviet Memorial Insults the Victims of Atrocities
February 27, 2005

I read the Feb. 20 commentary, "A Soviet Memorial Etched by Ambiguity," with particular interest and have a few suggestions. When the citizens of West Hollywood erect their Soviet memorial, may I suggest that a memorial also be erected to the millions of victims of Soviet terror who were slaughtered with the help and complicity of the Red Army. Perhaps West Hollywood could erect a memorial to the Polish Katyn Forest victims, shot in the back of the head and dumped in a ditch in the woods. How about a memorial to the hundreds of thousands of Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Poles, Ukrainians and many other ethnic groups who were rounded up in the middle of the night by Soviet soldiers, crammed into unheated cattle cars and driven for weeks into the Godforsaken tundra or taiga to work or starve to death?

Could there be a reference to the fact that the Soviet Union is estimated to have been perhaps the greatest killing machine in history? Could there be a reference to the fact that, although the terrible Nazi occupation lasted in many instances from 1939 to 1945, in many countries the equally horrible Soviet occupation lasted until 1991?

Richard J. Widerynski

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The idea of the monument for the Soviet soldiers is an insult to the survivors of gulags and Siberian deportees. I am one of them and I protest.

Dezyderiusz Lachocki

Wayne, N.J."

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#14055 From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: New Member butlerkrystyna
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This message is for Romuald. I tried to send you a message last week but it came back. My father was at Monte Casino. His name was Piotr Migowski. He was a tank driver. I was wondering if you knew him. Krystyna

rlipinsk@... wrote:

Dear Danusia, Thank you for sharing the interview of Ms. Danielczuk with us. As a survivor of the Siberia, I know all this very well but what is significant is that there is an effort of some of us to educate the world about the "Polish Holocaust". Ignorance of the West on this subject is appalling. We, the witnesses of this crime are disappearing fast and soon it will be forgotten... Regards Romuald Virginia USA

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Hello Members

I have recently joined the group - and what an active group it is! My name is Danusia Socha. I live in London but was born in Chelmsford, Essex. Until I was two I lived with my parents in the Polish Refugee Camp in Kelvedon (Rivenhall), Essex before moving to London. I continued to visit family friends living in the camp until the camp closed in the mid 1950's. Intermittently I have been working on my family tree and history and would be very interested to hear from anyone in the group who has any information about the camp in Kelvedon to help me fill in the gaps.

My mother was Halina Socha nee Helena Derewonko, from a small village called Kamianki, now in Podlasie. I am still trying to piece all the details of her journey to England, but I do know she was arrested on route to Kamianki from Warsaw in 1940, deported to Siberia - where to is not clear- then miraculously was able to leave the USSR after 'the amnesty' and followed the route familiar to you all of Pahlevi, Teheran and I think the Lebanon before coming to England.She was greatly helped by a man whose surname was 'Jusko' and she took his surname - entering Pahlevi under the name of Halina Jusko. She always spoke of him with great warmth and maintained that only through his enormous kindness and support did she survive typhus,dysentery and the terrible ordeals of her Siberian experience.

My father was Aleksy Socha. He was in the Polish army when he was arrested, imprisoned and then sent to work in the labour camp and mines in Workuta. After his release he joined Anders' army and fought in Monte Cassino coming to England in 1947, where my parents met - and here I am.

Although my mother (who sadly passed away in 1967) told me much about her experiences - it is only recently that I can say that I am beginning to grasp the enormity of what happened to my parents and the thousands upon thousands of Poles at that time and the long term impact it has had on their lives and of their children.Their stories do need to be told and I congratulate members of this group for continuing to raise these issues around the world.

I recently came across on the web an interview for BBC Bradford by Helena Danielczuk (who I think is a member of this group) and Czeslawa Tarnowska on the deportations and as a second generation 'Anglo-Pole' could relate to so much they were both saying, especially Hela. Thank you to you both.I include the link for other members if they have not read or heard it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/bradford/big_questions/poland_deportations_to_ussr_1940.shtml

Kind Regards to all members

Danusia Socha

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#14056 From: "Eve" <Eve5J@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: Osada Jazlowiecka eve5j
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Hello Group -

Osada Jazlowiecka is in _Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing_, and it was in
Rowne.  However, there could be another Os. Jazlowiecka in Tarnopol
as I think Zbyszek (?) pointed out. Unfortunately _Stalin's Ethnic
Cleansing_ does not cover the southern provinces/woj. at all.  The
writers of the book were all residents of the central and northern
Kresy areas.  I would be interested to know which county
(powiat/pow.) and/or province/state (woj.) this osada was located
in.  Does the group member who asked the question have documents
showing these?  Please let us know.  Thank you.

Regards,
Eve Jankowicz

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Wisniowski
<swisniowski@p...> wrote:
> This osada is mentioned in Stalins Ethnic Cleansing. I believe it is
> referred to as being in the Rowne district..
> http://www.stalinsethniccleansing.com/content/history01.htm
>
> I have lent my copy of the book out, but maybe Ewa or someone else
can check
> and see what it says about that Osada’s location.
> --
> Stefan Wisniowski (moderator)
> Sydney, Australia
>
>
> Here is a pre WWII map of most likely where your Jazłowiecka Osada
was
> located.  It is a town
> located in the pre WWII Polish Province (Wojewóctywo) of Tarnopol,
in county
> or Powiat of Buczacz.
> It is south of Buczacz about 20 km.

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#14057 From: rlipinsk@...
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: New Member rlipinsk
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Hi Krystyna, I am sorry, but I did not know your father. If he was in a tank
regiment, he was either in one of the following:4 or 6 -th regiment or 1 Rgmt
"Ulanow Krechowieckich" because these regiments had tanks. If you want to find
more about your father, I would suggest to contact Ministry of Defence, (Polish
Section) Bourne Avenue, Hayes, Middlesex UA3 1RF, England.
Pozdrowienia
Romuald
----- Original Message -----
From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>
Date: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:47 am
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] New Member

> This message is for Romuald.  I tried to send you a message last
> week but it came back.  My father was at Monte Casino.  His name
> was Piotr Migowski. He was a tank driver.   I was wondering if you
> knew him.  Krystyna
>
> rlipinsk@... wrote:Dear Danusia,
> Thank you for sharing the interview of Ms. Danielczuk with us. As
> a survivor of the Siberia, I know all this very well but what is
> significant is that there is an effort of some of us to educate
> the world about the "Polish Holocaust". Ignorance of the West on
> this subject is appalling. We, the witnesses of this crime are
> disappearing fast and soon it will be forgotten...
> Regards
> Romuald
> Virginia USA
>
>
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> I have recently joined the group  - and what an active group it
> is! My name is Danusia Socha. I live in London but was born in
> Chelmsford, Essex. Until I was two I lived with my parents in the
> Polish Refugee Camp in Kelvedon (Rivenhall), Essex before moving
> to London. I continued to visit family friends living in the camp
> until the camp closed in the mid 1950's. Intermittently I have
> been working on my family tree and history and would be very
> interested to hear from anyone in the group who has any
> information about the camp in Kelvedon to help me fill in the gaps.
>
> My mother was Halina Socha nee Helena Derewonko, from a small
> village called Kamianki, now in Podlasie. I am still trying to
> piece all the details of her journey to England, but I do know she
> was arrested on route to Kamianki from Warsaw in 1940, deported to
> Siberia - where to is not clear- then miraculously was able to
> leave the USSR after 'the amnesty' and followed the route familiar
> to you all of Pahlevi, Teheran and I think the Lebanon before
> coming to England.She was greatly helped by a man whose surname
> was 'Jusko' and she took his surname - entering Pahlevi under the
> name of Halina Jusko. She always spoke of him with great warmth
> and maintained that only through his enormous kindness and support
> did she survive typhus,dysentery and the terrible ordeals of her
> Siberian experience.
>
> My father was Aleksy Socha. He was in the Polish army when he was
> arrested, imprisoned and then sent to work in the labour camp and
> mines in Workuta. After his release he joined Anders' army and
> fought in Monte Cassino coming to England in 1947, where my
> parents met  - and here I am.
>
> Although my mother (who sadly passed away in 1967) told me much
> about her experiences - it is only recently that I can say that I
> am beginning to grasp the enormity of what happened to my parents
> and the thousands upon thousands of Poles at that time and the
> long term impact it has had on their lives and of their
> children.Their stories do need to be told and I congratulate
> members of this group for continuing to raise these issues around
> the world.
>
> I recently came across on the web an interview  for BBC Bradford
> by Helena Danielczuk (who I think is a member of this group) and
> Czeslawa Tarnowska on the deportations and as a second generation
> 'Anglo-Pole' could relate to so much they were both saying,
> especially Hela. Thank you to you both.I include the link for
> other members if they have not read or heard it.
>
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/bradford/big_questions/poland_deportations_to_ussr_19\
40.shtml
>
> Kind Regards to all members
>
> Danusia Socha
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#14058 From: Anne Kaczanowski <annekaczanowski@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:27 pm
Subject: The Holocaust no one talks about - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada annekaczanowski
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I can hardly type as I do the Polish jig all by myself. I submitted a story I named "The Holocaust No One Ever Talks About" to the Edmonton Journal. I also wrote one survivors history for her family and submitted that as well and my poem. The paper used both my papers for their coverage and along with personal testimonies from local survivors...we made the FRONTPAGE news today.....THE FRONT PAGE!!!!! The Front page and 75% of the second page!!!!

Also I must print something a survivor said that I found very powerful and tugged at my heart strings. He said " The cemetries are proof of our courage and our loyalty to the British and the Amercians! In return, they gave half of our country to Stalin!."

If anyone ones to read the article I can scan it.

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#14059 From: "Alicja" <alicjae2@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm
Subject: Re: To Alicja - Cattle train footage. alicjae2
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Hi Julek

The prints you are inquiring about are I believe in the Kresy-Siberia album. I did a series of 12 paintings which I call " Golgotha of Polish People", those images I used in my book, however the book illustrations are in black and white, the prints are as the paintings , in color. I can send you one, -I may check with my Book Co., perhaps they have some left. Let me know your adress. I live in a great state of Montana, US. Pozdrowienia-- Alicja

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Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] To Alicja - Cattle train footage.

Alicija,

I am also interested in prints in depicting the deportation of Poles. Where can I see them?

Julek

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Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] To Alicja - Cattle train footage.

Hi Dorit

I have some prints left if you dont mind giving me your adress I can mail them to you. My book is titled "And God Was Our Witness", it was self published- I have some copies . Where can I get " Escape via Siberia". Hope to hear from you . Alicja

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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] To Alicja - Cattle train footage.

Dear Alicja,

I am interested in prints depicting the deportation. Where may I see them? What is the title of your book? I have also written a book which covers that period, called "Escape via Siberia" and am about to publish a book on that theme for adolescents. Your book would greatly interest me. My e-mail is drwhitem@.... I am looking forward to hearing from you. Dorit Whiteman

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#14060 From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:33 pm
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Thank you Romuald for responding so quickly. Yes my father was in a regiment of the Ulanow Krechowieckich. I will definitely contact the MOD in England. My brother has a book with lots of pictures from the War. He also has all of my father's medals. I'm going to see if I can get the MOD to issue me a set too. Krystyna

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Hi Krystyna, I am sorry, but I did not know your father. If he was in a tank regiment, he was either in one of the following:4 or 6 -th regiment or 1 Rgmt "Ulanow Krechowieckich" because these regiments had tanks. If you want to find more about your father, I would suggest to contact Ministry of Defence, (Polish Section) Bourne Avenue, Hayes, Middlesex UA3 1RF, England. Pozdrowienia Romuald ----- Original Message ----- From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...> Date: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:47 am Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] New Member > This message is for Romuald. I tried to send you a message last > week but it came back. My father was at Monte Casino. His name > was Piotr Migowski. He was a tank driver. I was wondering if you > knew him. Krystyna > > rlipinsk@... wrote:Dear Danusia, > Thank you for sharing the interview of Ms. Danielczuk with us. As > a survivor of the Siberia, I know all this very well but what is > significant is that there is an effort of some of us to educate > the world about the "Polish Holocaust". Ignorance of the West on > this subject is appalling. We, the witnesses of this crime are > disappearing fast and soon it will be forgotten... > Regards > Romuald > Virginia USA > > > **************************************************************************** > KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION > "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish > citizensdeported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during > World War Two." > **************************************************************************** > Discussion site : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/ > Virtual Memorial Wall : http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/memorial/ > Gallery (photos, documents) : > http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/Film and info : > http://www.AForgottenOdyssey.com**************************************************************************** > To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail > saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: > Kresy-Siberia-owner@yahoogroups.com > **************************************************************************** > > > Yahoo! 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Intermittently I have > been working on my family tree and history and would be very > interested to hear from anyone in the group who has any > information about the camp in Kelvedon to help me fill in the gaps. > > My mother was Halina Socha nee Helena Derewonko, from a small > village called Kamianki, now in Podlasie. I am still trying to > piece all the details of her journey to England, but I do know she > was arrested on route to Kamianki from Warsaw in 1940, deported to > Siberia - where to is not clear- then miraculously was able to > leave the USSR after 'the amnesty' and followed the route familiar > to you all of Pahlevi, Teheran and I think the Lebanon before > coming to England.She was greatly helped by a man whose surname > was 'Jusko' and she took his surname - entering Pahlevi under the > name of Halina Jusko. She always spoke of him with great warmth > and maintained that only through his enormous kindness and support > did she survive typhus,dysentery and the terrible ordeals of her > Siberian experience. > > My father was Aleksy Socha. He was in the Polish army when he was > arrested, imprisoned and then sent to work in the labour camp and > mines in Workuta. After his release he joined Anders' army and > fought in Monte Cassino coming to England in 1947, where my > parents met - and here I am. > > Although my mother (who sadly passed away in 1967) told me much > about her experiences - it is only recently that I can say that I > am beginning to grasp the enormity of what happened to my parents > and the thousands upon thousands of Poles at that time and the > long term impact it has had on their lives and of their > children.Their stories do need to be told and I congratulate > members of this group for continuing to raise these issues around > the world. > > I recently came across on the web an interview for BBC Bradford > by Helena Danielczuk (who I think is a member of this group) and > Czeslawa Tarnowska on the deportations and as a second generation > 'Anglo-Pole' could relate to so much they were both saying, > especially Hela. Thank you to you both.I include the link for > other members if they have not read or heard it. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/bradford/big_questions/poland_deportations_to_ussr_1940.shtml > > Kind Regards to all members > > Danusia Socha > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************************************************** > KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION > "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish > citizensdeported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during > World War Two." > **************************************************************************** > Discussion site : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/ > Virtual Memorial Wall : http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/memorial/ > Gallery (photos, documents) : > http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/Film and info : > http://www.AForgottenOdyssey.com**************************************************************************** > To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail > saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: > Kresy-Siberia-owner@yahoogroups.com > **************************************************************************** > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/02/2005 > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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#14061 From: "Barbara Kwietniowski" <kwietniowskib@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: The Holocaust no one talks about - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada bkwietniowski
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Congratulations Hania!!!

Here is a link to the paper and the story:

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=acc93511-f9fa-4cc7-889f-f0031f29fdd8

It is 3 pages long on the website.

Barbara Kwietniowski

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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] The Holocaust no one talks about - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

I can hardly type as I do the Polish jig all by myself. I submitted a story I named "The Holocaust No One Ever Talks About" to the Edmonton Journal. I also wrote one survivors history for her family and submitted that as well and my poem. The paper used both my papers for their coverage and along with personal testimonies from local survivors...we made the FRONTPAGE news today.....THE FRONT PAGE!!!!! The Front page and 75% of the second page!!!!

Also I must print something a survivor said that I found very powerful and tugged at my heart strings. He said " The cemetries are proof of our courage and our loyalty to the British and the Amercians! In return, they gave half of our country to Stalin!."

If anyone ones to read the article I can scan it.

hania kaczanowska

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#14062 From: "Irene Tomaszewski" <irene.tomaszewski@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:52 pm
Subject: Edmonton Journal - canada.com network itomasz40
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Wonderful article.

http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=acc93511-f9fa-4cc7-889f-f0031f29fdd8

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#14063 From: chris bienkowski <chris_bienkowski@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: The Holocaust no one talks about - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada chris_bienko...
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Hania,

Congratulations.

Chris

Anne Kaczanowski <annekaczanowski@...> wrote:

I can hardly type as I do the Polish jig all by myself. I submitted a story I named "The Holocaust No One Ever Talks About" to the Edmonton Journal. I also wrote one survivors history for her family and submitted that as well and my poem. The paper used both my papers for their coverage and along with personal testimonies from local survivors...we made the FRONTPAGE news today.....THE FRONT PAGE!!!!! The Front page and 75% of the second page!!!!

Also I must print something a survivor said that I found very powerful and tugged at my heart strings. He said " The cemetries are proof of our courage and our loyalty to the British and the Amercians! In return, they gave half of our country to Stalin!."

If anyone ones to read the article I can scan it.

hania kaczanowska

Edmonton, Alberta

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#14064 From: <kms0902@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: The Holocaust no one talks about - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada szypowska
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Congratulations Hania !!! How encouraging to see that at least ONE newspaper has realized that this IS Front Page material !!! Well done !!!

Krystyna Szypowska

Kingston, Ontario, Canada

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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:27 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] The Holocaust no one talks about - Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

I can hardly type as I do the Polish jig all by myself. I submitted a story I named "The Holocaust No One Ever Talks About" to the Edmonton Journal. I also wrote one survivors history for her family and submitted that as well and my poem. The paper used both my papers for their coverage and along with personal testimonies from local survivors...we made the FRONTPAGE news today.....THE FRONT PAGE!!!!! The Front page and 75% of the second page!!!!

Also I must print something a survivor said that I found very powerful and tugged at my heart strings. He said " The cemetries are proof of our courage and our loyalty to the British and the Amercians! In return, they gave half of our country to Stalin!."

If anyone ones to read the article I can scan it.

hania kaczanowska

Edmonton, Alberta

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#14065 From: jagna8@...
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: The Holocaust no one talks about - Edmonton, Alberta, Can... jagna8@...
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BRAVO HANIA!!!

Jagna

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