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#13960 From: Anne Kaczanowski <annekaczanowski@...>
Date: Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:51 pm
Subject: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? annekaczanowski
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Is no one protesting at the moment regarding this Soviet memorial in California?? Are there no Polish people in California?

The devestation the Russian army caused which led to 50 plus years of regression is "memorial enough in itself"...who needs a statue? Unless of course there is a Soviet-style statue erected to commemorate their occupations and war crimes.

Perhaps we should be writing to the "termnator" directly, since an Austrian from birth, and influential in California, he might understand what an insult this is to all the immigrants who dreamed of freedom and had to flee that part of Europe to finally get it. And this should include any Russian who immigrated to America from the Iron Curtain as well. I feel for the Russian soldier who put his life on the line for his country...and lost it.....he had no choice either..but a statue commemorating him for what he fought for belongs in Russia...not here. Any statue representing the Soviet Union is not representative of the Freedom that North Americans fight for, in any way.. I cannot understand the blindness of American people....although... there are more ignorant of this time in history, than aware of it....and it simply is not an issue one way or the other to them.

hania

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#13964 From: rich widerynski <richpna@...>
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:06 am
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? feb10transport
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Dear Anne,

I for one have written a letter of protest to the local rag, The Los Angeles Times, that we in the Polish community refer to as the LA Pravda. Don't know if they will publish it but what the heck. There is an old rule of thumb that for every person who takes the time to put pen to paper there are ten thousand who have thought about it but never got further than the thought.

Anyhow there was a outraged Lithuanian lady whose letter was published in the rag last week. She had had family deported to Siberia and railed against the Soviets. Over the weekend I received a phone call from a Latvian fellow and encouraged him to write. His mother had survived deportation to the gulag. I also turned him onto the K-S site.

For those of you in various parts of the world who like to share your input and collective indignation the e-mail address of the LA Times is letters@...

Please include your name, mailing address, and daytime telephone number, and with e-mail don't send attachments because of they fear viruses (they'll just delete it).

I think a little world wide protest might just wake the buggers up.

Take care.

Rich Widerynski

Long Beach, CA

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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue?

Is no one protesting at the moment regarding this Soviet memorial in California?? Are there no Polish people in California?

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#13965 From: Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:55 am
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? bartmant@...
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Hi,



I'll share Just a few friendly suggestions about this matter for

whatever they're worth. First make sure not to present your objections

in personal terms pitting yourself against these veterans. This will be

a no win situation and it will just paint you in a negative light.

Second, as much as possible try to remain positive - that you just

demand that this memorial present a factual and truthful portrayal of

the historical context within which the service of these veterans took

place and not a distorion, in the interest of educating the public about

this important history. Also that this memorial if not placed in proper

historical context it is highly objectionable not only to Poles but also

to countless others who suffered greatly at the hands of Soviet

government. I would try to broaden it out and make it not simply a

Polish thing. Though of course I understand the particularly Polish

aspect of this. Hopefully you can find some allies.   . . . just some

suggestions.



Tilford

#13968 From: jagna8@...
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:21 am
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? jagna8@...
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I think harnessing the support for the protests of the other deportees - people from the Baltic Republics, Ukraine, Chechnya, Byelorussia, even persecuted Russians, is a very good idea. Have read that Polish Euro MPs in Brussels are doing this already, in order to bring back the issue of Yalta on the public agennda.

An answer from a British journalist met at a party, to my question why Polish letters, for instance protesting against 'Polish concentration camps' are almost never printed. He said: if we get six such letters and two hundred on the best recepies on how to cook squirrels (yes, this is England!), we will print the squirell in raising sauce or grilled with mushrooms, and not one on an obviously more important subject, because squirrells obviously elicit more passion amongst our leaders. If there were, let's say, sixty Polish letters, we might start thinking.

I trust his explanation, except that, as Rich rightly points out, this is the main problem with the Polish community - to actually grab a pen and write.. So, let's try to change our lethargic compatriots - it can be done, I am sure...

Jagna

#13971 From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? butlerkrystyna
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Jagna - I no longer reside in England, but visit my mother in Bradford, often. If I was still residing there I would suggest putting a petition together, i.e. letter signed by all after mass on Sunday, or maybe at the Polish club,. This should get some kind of response? Krystyna

jagna8@... wrote:

I think harnessing the support for the protests of the other deportees - people from the Baltic Republics, Ukraine, Chechnya, Byelorussia, even persecuted Russians, is a very good idea. Have read that Polish Euro MPs in Brussels are doing this already, in order to bring back the issue of Yalta on the public agennda.

An answer from a British journalist met at a party, to my question why Polish letters, for instance protesting against 'Polish concentration camps' are almost never printed. He said: if we get six such letters and two hundred on the best recepies on how to cook squirrels (yes, this is England!), we will print the squirell in raising sauce or grilled with mushrooms, and not one on an obviously more important subject, because squirrells obviously elicit more passion amongst our leaders. If there were, let's say, sixty Polish letters, we might start thinking.

I trust his explanation, except that, as Rich rightly points out, this is the main problem with the Polish community - to actually grab a pen and write.. So, let's try to change our lethargic compatriots - it can be done, I am sure...

Jagna

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#13997 From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...>
Date: Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? hela52
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Who is your mother I a in Bradford and we have had a very successful event

in Bradfordwhich did a little to raise profile the Lord Mayor attended press

wrote before and after and noe even the dziennik have published a report







Bye 4 now Hela.









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>Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue?

>Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:37:04 -0800 (PST)

>

>Jagna - I no longer reside in England, but visit my mother in Bradford,

>often.  If I was still residing there I would suggest putting a petition

>together, i.e. letter signed by all after mass on Sunday, or maybe at the

>Polish club,.  This should get some kind of response?  Krystyna

>

>jagna8@... wrote:I think harnessing the support for the protests of the

>other deportees - people from the Baltic Republics, Ukraine, Chechnya,

>Byelorussia, even persecuted Russians, is a very good idea. Have read that

>Polish Euro MPs in Brussels are doing this already, in order to bring back

>the issue of Yalta on the public agennda.

>

>An answer from a British journalist met at a party, to my question why

>Polish letters, for instance protesting against 'Polish concentration

>camps' are almost never printed. He said: if we get six such letters and

>two hundred on the best recepies on how to cook squirrels (yes, this is

>England!), we will print the squirell in raising sauce or grilled with

>mushrooms, and not one on an obviously more important subject, because

>squirrells obviously elicit more passion amongst our leaders. If there

>were, let's say, sixty Polish letters, we might start thinking.

>

>I trust his explanation, except that, as Rich rightly points out, this is

>the main problem with the Polish community - to actually grab a pen and

>write.. So, let's try to change our lethargic compatriots - it can be done,

>I am sure...

>Jagna

>

>

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#14072 From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? butlerkrystyna
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My mother is Janina Migowska. She lives behind Moore Avenue. on Beldon Park Avenue. She's a little frail as she had a heart attack last year and doesn't get around as well as she used to. I know she usually picks up the polish paper at church on Sundays. Do you know Krysia Rybakowska?

Helena Danielczuk <helena52@...> wrote:

Who is your mother I a in Bradford and we have had a very successful event in Bradfordwhich did a little to raise profile the Lord Mayor attended press wrote before and after and noe even the dziennik have published a report Bye 4 now Hela. >From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...> >Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com >To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:37:04 -0800 (PST) > >Jagna - I no longer reside in England, but visit my mother in Bradford, >often. If I was still residing there I would suggest putting a petition >together, i.e. letter signed by all after mass on Sunday, or maybe at the >Polish club,. This should get some kind of response? Krystyna > >jagna8@... wrote:I think harnessing the support for the protests of the >other deportees - people from the Baltic Republics, Ukraine, Chechnya, >Byelorussia, even persecuted Russians, is a very good idea. Have read that >Polish Euro MPs in Brussels are doing this already, in order to bring back >the issue of Yalta on the public agennda. > >An answer from a British journalist met at a party, to my question why >Polish letters, for instance protesting against 'Polish concentration >camps' are almost never printed. He said: if we get six such letters and >two hundred on the best recepies on how to cook squirrels (yes, this is >England!), we will print the squirell in raising sauce or grilled with >mushrooms, and not one on an obviously more important subject, because >squirrells obviously elicit more passion amongst our leaders. If there >were, let's say, sixty Polish letters, we might start thinking. > >I trust his explanation, except that, as Rich rightly points out, this is >the main problem with the Polish community - to actually grab a pen and >write.. So, let's try to change our lethargic compatriots - it can be done, >I am sure... >Jagna > > >**************************************************************************** >KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION >"Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens >deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." >**************************************************************************** >Discussion site : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/ >Virtual Memorial Wall : http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/memorial/ >Gallery (photos, documents) : http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/ >Film and info : http://www.AForgottenOdyssey.com >**************************************************************************** >To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail >saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: >Kresy-Siberia-owner@yahoogroups.com >**************************************************************************** > > >Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Kresy-Siberia-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.

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#14108 From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...>
Date: Tue Mar 1, 2005 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? hela52
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Yes and yes!! I see Roza Rybakowska taht was but havent seen Krysia in years

I remember the dancing group you all belonged to andwas so envious as i was

too young to be with youu all!!!







Bye 4 now Hela.









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>To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue?

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:14:04 -0800 (PST)

>

>My mother is Janina Migowska.  She lives behind Moore Avenue. on Beldon

>Park Avenue.  She's a little frail as she had a heart attack last year and

>doesn't get around as well as she used to.  I know she usually picks up the

>polish paper at church on Sundays.  Do you know Krysia Rybakowska?

>

>

>Helena Danielczuk <helena52@...> wrote:

>Who is your mother I a in Bradford and we have had a very successful event

>in Bradfordwhich did a little to raise profile the Lord Mayor attended

>press

>wrote before and after and noe even the dziennik have published a report

>

>

>

>Bye 4 now Hela.

>

>

>

>

> >From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>

> >Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> >To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> >Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet

>staue?

> >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:37:04 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >Jagna - I no longer reside in England, but visit my mother in Bradford,

> >often.  If I was still residing there I would suggest putting a petition

> >together, i.e. letter signed by all after mass on Sunday, or maybe at the

> >Polish club,.  This should get some kind of response?  Krystyna

> >

> >jagna8@... wrote:I think harnessing the support for the protests of

>the

> >other deportees - people from the Baltic Republics, Ukraine, Chechnya,

> >Byelorussia, even persecuted Russians, is a very good idea. Have read

>that

> >Polish Euro MPs in Brussels are doing this already, in order to bring

>back

> >the issue of Yalta on the public agennda.

> >

> >An answer from a British journalist met at a party, to my question why

> >Polish letters, for instance protesting against 'Polish concentration

> >camps' are almost never printed. He said: if we get six such letters and

> >two hundred on the best recepies on how to cook squirrels (yes, this is

> >England!), we will print the squirell in raising sauce or grilled with

> >mushrooms, and not one on an obviously more important subject, because

> >squirrells obviously elicit more passion amongst our leaders. If there

> >were, let's say, sixty Polish letters, we might start thinking.

> >

> >I trust his explanation, except that, as Rich rightly points out, this is

> >the main problem with the Polish community - to actually grab a pen and

> >write.. So, let's try to change our lethargic compatriots - it can be

>done,

> >I am sure...

> >Jagna

> >

> >

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>citizens

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#14131 From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>
Date: Wed Mar 2, 2005 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? butlerkrystyna
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How about that. Yes, I ran the dancing portion of it and Kazik Nowakowski did the singing. Were'nt we wonderful? K

Helena Danielczuk <helena52@...> wrote:

Yes and yes!! I see Roza Rybakowska taht was but havent seen Krysia in years I remember the dancing group you all belonged to andwas so envious as i was too young to be with youu all!!! Bye 4 now Hela. >From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...> >Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com >To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:14:04 -0800 (PST) > >My mother is Janina Migowska. She lives behind Moore Avenue. on Beldon >Park Avenue. She's a little frail as she had a heart attack last year and >doesn't get around as well as she used to. I know she usually picks up the >polish paper at church on Sundays. Do you know Krysia Rybakowska? > > >Helena Danielczuk <helena52@...> wrote: >Who is your mother I a in Bradford and we have had a very successful event >in Bradfordwhich did a little to raise profile the Lord Mayor attended >press >wrote before and after and noe even the dziennik have published a report > > > >Bye 4 now Hela. > > > > > >From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...> > >Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com > >To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet >staue? > >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:37:04 -0800 (PST) > > > >Jagna - I no longer reside in England, but visit my mother in Bradford, > >often. If I was still residing there I would suggest putting a petition > >together, i.e. letter signed by all after mass on Sunday, or maybe at the > >Polish club,. This should get some kind of response? Krystyna > > > >jagna8@... wrote:I think harnessing the support for the protests of >the > >other deportees - people from the Baltic Republics, Ukraine, Chechnya, > >Byelorussia, even persecuted Russians, is a very good idea. Have read >that > >Polish Euro MPs in Brussels are doing this already, in order to bring >back > >the issue of Yalta on the public agennda. > > > >An answer from a British journalist met at a party, to my question why > >Polish letters, for instance protesting against 'Polish concentration > >camps' are almost never printed. He said: if we get six such letters and > >two hundred on the best recepies on how to cook squirrels (yes, this is > >England!), we will print the squirell in raising sauce or grilled with > >mushrooms, and not one on an obviously more important subject, because > >squirrells obviously elicit more passion amongst our leaders. If there > >were, let's say, sixty Polish letters, we might start thinking. > > > >I trust his explanation, except that, as Rich rightly points out, this is > >the main problem with the Polish community - to actually grab a pen and > >write.. So, let's try to change our lethargic compatriots - it can be >done, > >I am sure... > >Jagna > > > > > >**************************************************************************** > >KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = RESEARCH REMEMBRANCE RECOGNITION > >"Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish >citizens > >deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two." > >**************************************************************************** > >Discussion site : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/ > >Virtual Memorial Wall : http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/memorial/ > >Gallery (photos, documents) : http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/ > >Film and info : http://www.AForgottenOdyssey.com > >**************************************************************************** > >To SUBSCRIBE to the discussion group, send an e-mail > >saying who you are and describing your interest in the group to: > >Kresy-Siberia-owner@yahoogroups.com > >**************************************************************************** > > > > > >Yahoo! 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#14190 From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...>
Date: Fri Mar 4, 2005 9:33 am
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? hela52
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Yes you weer brill and then years later we had a group too Podhale I also

started a very young group with Kazik called Hocki Klocki we had a very

successful sfew yeras which came to an end when I became a scarlet woman

!!!!!!







Bye 4 now Hela.









>From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>

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>Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue?

>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:33:29 -0800 (PST)

>

>How about that.  Yes, I ran the dancing portion of it and Kazik Nowakowski

>did the singing.  Were'nt we wonderful?         K

>

>Helena Danielczuk <helena52@...> wrote:Yes and yes!! I see Roza

>Rybakowska taht was but havent seen Krysia in years

>I remember the dancing group you all belonged to andwas so envious as i was

>too young to be with youu all!!!

>

>

>

>Bye 4 now Hela.

>

>

>

>

> >From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>

> >Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> >To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> >Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet

>staue?

> >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:14:04 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >My mother is Janina Migowska.  She lives behind Moore Avenue. on Beldon

> >Park Avenue.  She's a little frail as she had a heart attack last year

>and

> >doesn't get around as well as she used to.  I know she usually picks up

>the

> >polish paper at church on Sundays.  Do you know Krysia Rybakowska?

> >

> >

> >Helena Danielczuk <helena52@...> wrote:

> >Who is your mother I a in Bradford and we have had a very successful

>event

> >in Bradfordwhich did a little to raise profile the Lord Mayor attended

> >press

> >wrote before and after and noe even the dziennik have published a report

> >

> >

> >

> >Bye 4 now Hela.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>

> > >Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > >To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

> > >Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet

> >staue?

> > >Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:37:04 -0800 (PST)

> > >

> > >Jagna - I no longer reside in England, but visit my mother in Bradford,

> > >often.  If I was still residing there I would suggest putting a

>petition

> > >together, i.e. letter signed by all after mass on Sunday, or maybe at

>the

> > >Polish club,.  This should get some kind of response?  Krystyna

> > >

> > >jagna8@... wrote:I think harnessing the support for the protests of

> >the

> > >other deportees - people from the Baltic Republics, Ukraine, Chechnya,

> > >Byelorussia, even persecuted Russians, is a very good idea. Have read

> >that

> > >Polish Euro MPs in Brussels are doing this already, in order to bring

> >back

> > >the issue of Yalta on the public agennda.

> > >

> > >An answer from a British journalist met at a party, to my question why

> > >Polish letters, for instance protesting against 'Polish concentration

> > >camps' are almost never printed. He said: if we get six such letters

>and

> > >two hundred on the best recepies on how to cook squirrels (yes, this is

> > >England!), we will print the squirell in raising sauce or grilled with

> > >mushrooms, and not one on an obviously more important subject, because

> > >squirrells obviously elicit more passion amongst our leaders. If there

> > >were, let's say, sixty Polish letters, we might start thinking.

> > >

> > >I trust his explanation, except that, as Rich rightly points out, this

>is

> > >the main problem with the Polish community - to actually grab a pen and

> > >write.. So, let's try to change our lethargic compatriots - it can be

> >done,

> > >I am sure...

> > >Jagna

> > >

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#14073 From: "Eugeniusz Krajewski" <e@...>
Date: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:20 pm
Subject: RE: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? eugeniusz2003
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Dear Hela,



Please look up the 24th February issue of Dziennik Polski.

On page nine you will find, what I assume to be, your report of the 13th

February Event you organised, in its full glory.

As I promised you, on the 16th February, I also sent my report of the Event

to the Editor Of Dziennik Polski.



Kind regards,



Eugene Krajewski









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From: Helena Danielczuk [mailto:helena52@...]

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Who is your mother I a in Bradford and we have had a very successful event

in Bradfordwhich did a little to raise profile the Lord Mayor attended press

wrote before and after and noe even the dziennik have published a report







Bye 4 now Hela.









>

#13996 From: "Helena Danielczuk" <helena52@...>
Date: Fri Feb 25, 2005 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? hela52
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Yes we are the compatriots and we have to do  and keep on doing it

regardless of how many rejections etc we get in the end they will listen cos

they wil be fed up of the nagging!!!!







Bye 4 now Hela.









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>Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue?

>Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 03:21:42 EST

>

>I think harnessing the support for the protests of the other deportees -

>people from the Baltic Republics, Ukraine, Chechnya, Byelorussia, even

>persecuted Russians, is a very good idea. Have read that Polish Euro MPs in

>  Brussels

>are doing this already, in order to bring back the issue of Yalta on  the

>public agennda.

>

>An answer from a British journalist met at a party, to my question why

>Polish letters, for instance protesting against 'Polish concentration

>camps' are

>almost never printed. He said: if we get six such letters and two  hundred

>on

>the best recepies on how to cook squirrels (yes, this is  England!), we

>will

>print the squirell in raising sauce or grilled with  mushrooms, and not one

>on

>an obviously more important subject, because  squirrells obviously elicit

>more

>passion amongst our leaders. If there were,  let's say, sixty Polish

>letters,

>we might start thinking.

>

>I trust his explanation, except that, as Rich rightly points out, this is

>the main problem with the Polish community - to actually grab a pen and

>write..

>So, let's try to change our lethargic compatriots - it can be done, I am

>sure...

>Jagna

#13976 From: jagna8@...
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? jagna8@...
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Krystyna,

I have some ideas, will put them down and post in a few days. Pls give me a ring when you come to visit your mum. Tel: 0208 742 9084.

Jagna

#13980 From: Krystyna Butler <butlerkrystyna@...>
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? butlerkrystyna
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Thank you, I certainly will Jagna. Where do you live in England? If you ever come to America, especially Florida, maybe you can stop on by and visit for a while. Krystyna

jagna8@... wrote:

Krystyna,

I have some ideas, will put them down and post in a few days. Pls give me a ring when you come to visit your mum. Tel: 0208 742 9084.

Jagna

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#13981 From: jagna8@...
Date: Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? jagna8@...
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These seem very sensible suggestions, Tilford - not to keep these protests confined to Polish suffering only. And your article is great!

Jagna

#14005 From: Tilford Bartman <bartmant@...>
Date: Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: Are Poles not responding to the Soviet staue? bartmant@...
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jagna8@... wrote:

These seem very sensible suggestions, Tilford - not to keep these protests confined to Polish suffering only. And your article is great!

Jagna

Well, I'm sure there is larger community of people out there who would find this memorial objectionable if it indeed is what it appears to be. It the objections are all "parochial Polish" ones I think it is easier for the monuments supporters to deal with.

Personally I don't have any problem with these veterans themselves. I'm willing to assume that they volunteered or were conscripted into the Soviet Army during the war with much the same spirit that my father had when he went into the American Army during the war.

When you put up a public memorial with tax dollars you need to try hard to be acceptable and fair to the broadest possible section of the public, and not cater to one small slice. That's my opinion. And in putting up a memorial like this they need to put it in a truthful historcial context. This appears to be what is lacking.

Tilford

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