I'm looking for anyone that might know anything about a Harold E Kessler born
Oct. 30th, 1920 and passed away Dec. 20th at age 49... If theres anyone out
there with any infomation please email me at lxlpauljameslxl@...

Thanks alot!

Paul Kessler

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Wright

To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:43 AM

Subject: Re: [Kessler-Ulrich] Kessler pictures

Kathryn,

Happy to see some action on the list. I have not been working on my
Kessler lines recently. I have been researching my wife's Swedish lines.

Bill Wright

Kathryn E. Stuart wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any Kessler pictures that they can put up in the Photos
> section of the list?
> We had some pictures once that included Joseph Kessler.
>
> Any additions to the Kessler Archives would be appreciated I'm sure by
> all.
>
> Kathryn
>
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Kathryn,

Happy to see some action on the list. I have not been working on my
Kessler lines recently. I have been researching my wife's Swedish lines.

Bill Wright

Kathryn E. Stuart wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any Kessler pictures that they can put up in the Photos
> section of the list?
> We had some pictures once that included Joseph Kessler.
>
> Any additions to the Kessler Archives would be appreciated I'm sure by
> all.
>
> Kathryn
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Floyd Kessler

To: Barbara Bollenbacher ; Dale Kessler ; Leslie Sells ; Marge Sells ; Mickey Raymer ; nancy clapp ; Pauline Whitmer ; Rod & Lisa Smith ; Sherrie Sells ; Ulrich Kessler ; Yuriko Hance

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 2:49 PM

Subject: [Kessler-Ulrich] FW: If Dogs Could Speak

FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.

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From: mickeyraymer@graceba.net
To: ;
Subject: If Dogs Could Speak
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:35:11 -0600

 

 

IF DOGS COULD SPEAK... 'The leg might be broken, but I can still annoy the fluff out of you!' 'Mum said all I have to do is give you puppy eyes and you'll feed me. How'm I doin'...?' 'I don't get it. Where's the milk?!' 'Think you're good, huh? Just wait till I sneeze.' 'Therrrz no way that was juzzt milk! [hiccup]!' 'If the puppy eyes don't work, use more conventional methods.' 'I...hate....you....' 'Welllll, I'm a Gemini.....aaaaaannnd I like long walks on the beach. Aaaaannnd I, like, tennis balls.' 'I'm not....[yawn]...tired, ok? I'm...just..... a little...sllleeepy......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz' 'Why are people so unkind?' 'BUT I DON'T WANNA GO...!!!! AAAAaaaaaahahhhahh' ' time for a power nap .' 'Ahhh! A mouse!! Quick...on the chair!' 'Rrrrr.... I'm a tiger. Rrrrrrr' ' Sorry hope you don't mind ....I was just a little thirsty.' 'Go on - tickle me. You know you wanna.' 'Hey, did you take my Old Spice?? No, seriously....' 'Why did I eat so many cookies. Why?!' 'Weeeeeee!!!' 'He he he. I went through your bag, man, and I found this little bag of green stuff. So I totally ate it.' ''Sup, Shorty?!' 'Kid....you're asking the wrong guy.'' 'You'd think that looking like a panda I would get a bit more attention around here. Hello....? Hellooooo??' 'Wasssup!!' 'Bread. You're seriously giving me bread...?' '[sniff sniff]....why don't they want [sniff] to play with me??'

 

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HI all,
Just a quick thing, Southwestern Germany is 200 miles from the chec
border.
Just wanted to clear that up.

This is for Floyd, do you know for sure that Ulrich Kesslers parents
were from Cham?

Thanks.

--- In Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com, Floyd Kessler <flkessler@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I have a Cousin who traveled extensively in the European area while
he was in the service and he found that our Kesslers were in Cham,
Germany and that there are many Kesslers living there.  He passed this
info on to me many yeaers ago and now I am not in contact with him and
I do not know exactly where he is now.  The last I have known about
him that he married an English Lady and is residing in England.  His
name is Joseph Kessler. He hasn't corresponded with me for several years.
>
> FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.
>
> To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com
> From: wmewrght@...
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:18:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Kessler-Ulrich] RE: family name
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Floyd,
>
>
>
> You have some information I have not heard that Ulrich came from
>
> southwestern Germany. Where did you find this? Thank you.
>
>
>
> Bill Wright
>
>
>
> Floyd Kessler wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Dear Sunday:
>
> > I really enjoyed hearing from you.
>
> > My family came from the Ulrich Kessler who came to the U.S. around
1750
>
> > to PA.  Later they went to Virginia and to North Carolina before
coming
>
> > up to Montgomery County. Ohio.  Later he had a son named Joseph K.
>
> > Kessler and Joseph had a son named John Bowman Kessler and John had a
>
> > son named Henry Kessler and then Henry had a son named Thomas
Jefferson
>
> > Kessler and then Thomas had a son named James W. Kessler and then
James
>
> > had a son named Floyd L. Kessler and then Floyd had a son named
Floyd L.
>
> > Kessler, Jr. (ME).  I haven't found anyone that comes from your
family
>
> > in my Family Files, however, there may be a chance that we are
related.
>
> > Ulrich Kessler's family came from Southwestern Germany, Bavaria which
>
> > was in CHAM.  Cham is about 15 miles from Czekoslavkia.  Ulrich's
>
> > parents then went to Switzerland and then migrated to U.S. around the
>
> > 1750 area?
>
> > There are many Kesslers' located all over the United States
(10,000+) So
>
> > I say that we are all probably related.
>
> > Enjoyed hearing from you
>
> >
>
> > FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:20:54 -0700
>
> > From: sundayssuds@...
>
> > Subject: family name
>
> > To: flkessler@...
>
> >
>
> > Hello,
>
> > My maiden name is Sunday Kessler and I am from Portland Oregon.
Stumbled
>
> > onto your site and it sparked my curiosity if there is any
relation. My
>
> > grandfather was Bernard Raymond Kessler, and had three sisters:
Michael,
>
> > George, William, Mary, Anne and Elizabeth (Bessie). Ben Kessler's
>
> > parents were Anna and Stephen (we think) Kessler and settled in St.
>
> > Johns, Oregon. The mother was from Germany and Stephen was a german
>
> > settler on the borders of Russia and grew up in Russia. We are
guessing
>
> > that Stephen and Anna met and married in the U.S.
>
> >
>
> > This is the information I have right now. Don't know if this helps
at all.
>
> >
>
> > Sunday LaRocca
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
>
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Floyd,

Thanks.

Bill

Floyd Kessler wrote:
>
>
> I have a Cousin who traveled extensively in the European area while he
> was in the service and he found that our Kesslers were in Cham, Germany
> and that there are many Kesslers living there.  He passed this info on
> to me many yeaers ago and now I am not in contact with him and I do not
> know exactly where he is now.  The last I have known about him that he
> married an English Lady and is residing in England.  His name is Joseph
> Kessler. He hasn't corresponded with me for several years.
>
> FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com
> From: wmewrght@...
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:18:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Kessler-Ulrich] RE: family name
>
> Floyd,
>
> You have some information I have not heard that Ulrich came from
> southwestern Germany. Where did you find this? Thank you.
>
> Bill Wright
>
> Floyd Kessler wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Dear Sunday:
>  > I really enjoyed hearing from you.
>  > My family came from the Ulrich Kessler who came to the U.S. around 1750
>  > to PA. Later they went to Virginia and to North Carolina before coming
>  > up to Montgomery County. Ohio. Later he had a son named Joseph K.
>  > Kessler and Joseph had a son named John Bowman Kessler and John had a
>  > son named Henry Kessler and then Henry had a son named Thomas Jefferson
>  > Kessler and then Thomas had a son named James W. Kessler and then James
>  > had a son named Floyd L. Kessler and then Floyd had a son named Floyd L.
>  > Kessler, Jr. (ME). I haven't found anyone that comes from your family
>  > in my Family Files, however, there may be a chance that we are related.
>  > Ulrich Kessler's family came from Southwestern Germany, Bavaria which
>  > was in CHAM. Cham is about 15 miles from Czekoslavkia. Ulrich's
>  > parents then went to Switzerland and then migrated to U.S. around the
>  > 1750 area?
>  > There are many Kesslers' located all over the United States (10,000+) So
>  > I say that we are all probably related.
>  > Enjoyed hearing from you
>  >
>  > FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.
>  >
>  >
>  > ----------------------------------------------------------
>  > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:20:54 -0700
>  > From: sundayssuds@... <mailto:sundayssuds@...>
>  > Subject: family name
>  > To: flkessler@... <mailto:flkessler@...>
>  >
>  > Hello,
>  > My maiden name is Sunday Kessler and I am from Portland Oregon. Stumbled
>  > onto your site and it sparked my curiosity if there is any relation. My
>  > grandfather was Bernard Raymond Kessler, and had three sisters: Michael,
>  > George, William, Mary, Anne and Elizabeth (Bessie). Ben Kessler's
>  > parents were Anna and Stephen (we think) Kessler and settled in St.
>  > Johns, Oregon. The mother was from Germany and Stephen was a german
>  > settler on the borders of Russia and grew up in Russia. We are guessing
>  > that Stephen and Anna met and married in the U.S.
>  >
>  > This is the information I have right now. Don't know if this helps at
> all.
>  >
>  > Sunday LaRocca
>  >
>  >
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Floyd,

You have some information I have not heard that Ulrich came from
southwestern Germany. Where did you find this? Thank you.

Bill Wright

Floyd Kessler wrote:
>
>
> Dear Sunday:
> I really enjoyed hearing from you.
> My family came from the Ulrich Kessler who came to the U.S. around 1750
> to PA.  Later they went to Virginia and to North Carolina before coming
> up to Montgomery County. Ohio.  Later he had a son named Joseph K.
> Kessler and Joseph had a son named John Bowman Kessler and John had a
> son named Henry Kessler and then Henry had a son named Thomas Jefferson
> Kessler and then Thomas had a son named James W. Kessler and then James
> had a son named Floyd L. Kessler and then Floyd had a son named Floyd L.
> Kessler, Jr. (ME).  I haven't found anyone that comes from your family
> in my Family Files, however, there may be a chance that we are related.
> Ulrich Kessler's family came from Southwestern Germany, Bavaria which
> was in CHAM.  Cham is about 15 miles from Czekoslavkia.  Ulrich's
> parents then went to Switzerland and then migrated to U.S. around the
> 1750 area?
> There are many Kesslers' located all over the United States (10,000+) So
> I say that we are all probably related.
> Enjoyed hearing from you
>
> FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:20:54 -0700
> From: sundayssuds@...
> Subject: family name
> To: flkessler@...
>
> Hello,
> My maiden name is Sunday Kessler and I am from Portland Oregon. Stumbled
> onto your site and it sparked my curiosity if there is any relation. My
> grandfather was Bernard Raymond Kessler, and had three sisters: Michael,
> George, William, Mary, Anne and Elizabeth (Bessie). Ben Kessler's
> parents were Anna and Stephen (we think) Kessler and settled in St.
> Johns, Oregon. The mother was from Germany and Stephen was a german
> settler on the borders of Russia and grew up in Russia. We are guessing
> that Stephen and Anna met and married in the U.S.
>
> This is the information I have right now. Don't know if this helps at all.
>
> Sunday LaRocca
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Floyd Kessler

To: Ulrich Kessler

Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:10 PM

Subject: [Kessler-Ulrich]

Dear Cousins':
There will be the Annual Kessler Reunion held on 17 August 2008 at the Rainbow Lodge, Rolling Hills Girl Scout Camp, west of Pleasant Hill Ohio off of the Rangeline Road.  For information about this Kessle rReunion please go to GOOGLE: and enter Kessler Reunion Homepage and search.  Therre will be aletter about the Reunion and there are maps on how toi arrive at the Girl Scout Camp.  All of you are welc ome to attend and have abig bash!!
Hope to see you then!!

FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.

David,

Thank you for being tested and posting your results.

Bill

parttimegerman wrote:
>
>
> I have the first 25 markers back from FTDNA, waiting for the rest.
> I have posted them on Y-Search but here they are :
>
> first 12 --13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30
> last 13 --16 9 10 11 11 23 15 19 27 15 15 17 17
>
> I am 5c36w on Y-search
>
>
>
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7:44 AM

I have the first 25 markers back from FTDNA, waiting for the rest.
I have posted them on Y-Search but here they are :

first 12  --13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 30
last 13   --16 9 10 11 11 23 15 19 27 15 15 17 17

I am 5c36w on Y-search

David,

Thanks for doing this. Are you doing the 67 marker test through Family
Tree DNA? Which of the three surname projects accepting Kesslers did you
join?

Bill Wright

parttimegerman wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have submitted a 67 marker test, so in about 4 weeks we will have
> results. This along with our family diary/letters going back to Ulrich
> should be helpful.
>
> Anyone can email me at
> dlkessle@... <mailto:dlkessle%40purdue.edu> or
> comptechman@... <mailto:comptechman%40verizon.net>.
>
> I rarely check my Yahoo mail.
>
> David L Kessler
>
>

This is great!  Looking forward to the information this provides. Thanks for
doing this.
Dixie

Hello all,

I have submitted a 67 marker test, so in about 4 weeks we will have
results. This along with our family diary/letters going back to Ulrich
should be helpful.

Anyone can email me at
dlkessle@...  or comptechman@....

I rarely check my Yahoo mail.



David L Kessler

Paul,

You need to give us some more information to be able to help you.

Because of privacy concerns genealogy protocol on the internet limits
information available on living people. Your parents likely were born
ibn the 1940s or 1950s and are still living. A google search on their
names either produced no hits or too many hits to be helpful.

The latest census records available for searching are 1930. The 1940
census will not be available for another five years or so.

The first step in constructing a family tree is to interview all the
living relatives you can locate. You want to find out where you parents
and grandparents and great-grandparents lived, when and where they were
born, married and died. You need to build your family tree at least back
to 1930 and earlier if you can, before we can see if your line connects
with ours.

If your parents are deceased and/or you don't know any living relatives,
then different techniques need to be used to trace your family tree. I
have used courthouse birth, marriage, and death records, newspaper
obituaries, city directories, telephone books, the social security death
index (on-line), deed and probate records, etc., to track people more
recent than 1930.

You can find a lot of help from people on the internet, but we need
enough information to be able to give you that help.

Bill Wright

lxlpauljameslxl wrote:
>
>
> HI my name is Paul James Kessler i am 25 years old from New York... Im
> trying to reach out and find family and try to make a family tree. If
> anyone here has any family in new york or and information to help me
> please email me at LXLPAULJAMESLXL@...
> <mailto:LXLPAULJAMESLXL%40YAHOO.COM>. Fathers name is Edward
> James Kessler Mothers name is Cynthia Kessler maiden name is Howell.
> Any info to help please email me. Thanks!
>
>

HI my name is Paul James Kessler i am 25 years old from New York... Im
trying to reach out and find family and try to make a family tree. If
anyone here has any family in new york or and information to help me
please email me at LXLPAULJAMESLXL@.... Fathers name is Edward
James Kessler Mothers name is Cynthia Kessler maiden name is Howell.
Any info to help please email me. Thanks!

Kathryn,

I think that the two sets of Kesslers in Botetourt could be related.
But what we have from DNA testing of a patrilineal descendant of Ulrich
is the results of a 12 marker test. The results match 11 out of 12
markers with the descendant of John of Botetourt (1775-1850). Family
Tree DNA rates a 11 marker match out of 12 of two men with the same
surname as "possibly related."

The other two test comparisons between a descendant of Thomas of
Muhlhofen, Germany and John of Botetourt match 36 out of 37, hence they
are said to be "tightly related." This John of Botetourt almost
certainly descends from a Kessler in Muhlhofen, Germany.

Until we have the results of a 25 marker or 37 marker test of a
patrilinear descendant of Ulrich, there is some uncertainty that Ulrich
was closely related to the other two men.

If the two sets of Kesslers in Botetourt are related, was it coincidence
that they just happened to live close to each other? Or did the families
some how keep in touch after one or both of them migrated to the new
world? I have run into this with the Wrights. Now Wright is a common
surname, so two unrelated Wright families living in the same place at
the same time often happens. But when I see names like Gowdy and
McKittrick in Ireland living in the same area as Samuel Wright in
Ireland. (Samuel being a common given name among the early Wright
families.) And then I see a Wright-McKittrick marriage in Virginia of
second generation immigrants. Then in Illinois I find two Wright-Gowdy
marriages among fifth generation descendants, I start asking myself --
is this just coincidence? Northern Ireland is not large. But families
with these surnames were tenants working under the same landlord. They
were neighbors.

Of course, when it comes to the Kesslers, if the two Kessler families in
Botetourt were related and had somehow kept in touch over the years,
what does that say about the fanciful stories the county history says
about Ulrich's immigration?

At this point until we can see more DNA evidence, we need to avoid
jumping to conclusions. The 12-marker tests are a start, but they are
subject to many false positives and a few false negatives.

Bill

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Wright

To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:59 PM

Subject: [Kessler-Ulrich] DNA test for a descendant of Ulrich

Yesterday, I was searching ysearch.org for DNA matches to that of my
ancestor John Lewis who was in Westerly, RI, in 1661. Among the matches
was the surname Kessler. I clicked on the link and it was David Kessler,
a descendant of Ulrich.

Only 12 markers were reported for David on ysearch. The 12 marker tests
produce a lot of false positives and even some false negatives. So the
match with different surnames does not mean anything.

But finding a DNA test for a descendant of Ulrich does. So I checked for
DNA matches between David and others with the Kessler surname. This
produced two additional matches. Both these additional tests were for 37
markers. These two men matched 11 out of 12 with David saying that they
were possibly related. These two other Kessler men matched 36 out of 37
markers with each other. They almost certainly share a recent common
ancestor.

Here is the information from ysearch on these two men's ancestry.
Ysearch ID G4G5J
First Name: Thomas
Last Name: Kessler
Year Born: About 1623
Year Died: 1686
Country of Origin: Muhlhofen, Germany

Ysearch ID ZMSPK
First Name: John
Last Name: Kessler
Year Born: About 1775
Year Died: 1850
Additional information about Paternal Line:
John Kessler m. 8 March 1794 Nancy Waskey Fredrick Co., MD. John Kessler
died Botetourt Co., VA. They had seven children

So we have a possible nephew or cousin of Ulrich who lived in Frederick
Co, MD; and a possible ancestor or uncle of some sort of Ulrich who
lived in Germany in the 1600s.

To prove up these possible relationships we need David to upgrade his
test to 25-37+ markers or one or more patrilineal descendants of Ulrich
to step forward and be tested for 25+ markers.

Family Tree DNA has three surname projects that accept the Kessler
surname. The Kessler project does not publish its results on the project
webpage. Most projects do. I really can't recommend joining the Kessler
project because you handicap yourself with respect to being able to
compare results with other possible relatives. But both the Kepler and
Castle projects do publish results and accept particpants surnamed Kessler.

Only about half the people tested take the trouble to post their results
on ysearch.

Let me show you why I think posting results is important. I will use the
Wrights as an example. Here is the website:
<http://www.wright-dna.org/dna/R1b1Results.html>
If you scroll down or search for "1776 William," you will find a group
of six men who have been tested and have closely matching DNA. On my
computer this group is colored tan.

The two labeled "1776 William" are myself and a proven sixth cousin. We
got the results for the 12 markers back first. We matched 10 out of 12.
Probably not related! That shook us up, but when we got the results back
for the next 13 markers we matched perfectly on them, proving that we
share a recent common ancestor.

The next result to come back was Kit 51030. Another sixth cousin. His
fell midway between the first two of us to be tested.

Then we received a notice of a match from N6463. This guy does not fit
anywhere in our family tree. He descends from a different Wright
immigrant. But there are enough similarities in what we know about the
two immigrants that we believe that both immigrants share a common
ancestor back in Ireland.

Kit #94268 is another sixth cousin of mine and a fifth cousin of Kit
13074. This is Bob Wright and his DNA appears to be the signature DNA
for the group and represents that of our immigrant William Wright.

The last match kit N48391 is interesting. We have no indication that he
is of Scotch-Irish descent like the rest of us. We have not found the
original immigrant, and his family tree does not connect with either of
the other two trees. Yet with a 25 out of 25 match with our signature
DNA, he has a recent common ancestor with us somewhere back in the "old
country."

One more test is not shown in our group, but one of the markers came up
with a wild card reading. About six lines above is John Kit 11697+,
aclose relative of N48391. He matches 24 out of 25 markers with the
signature DNA, but the one mismatch is off by a count of 4 from the rest
of us. FamTrDNA has double checked the reading and confirmed it. This
suggests that he is not related. The mismatch is such that he did not
receive a notice of a match from FamTrDNA when our tests were done and
we did not receive a notice of a match when he upgraded from 12 to 25
markers.

So what do we have. The DNA test results have given the Wrights two
additional family lines who immigrated at different times to different
colonies and for whom no paper record exists that says we are related.
But DNA tests show we are.

So I hope to see some more Kessler men with DNA tests so we can prove or
disprove these additional links.

Bill Wright

I am still here, but have sort of given up on finding anything more on my line
which goes back to Joseph(?) buried in Ohio, then seems to disappear with the
Philadelphia story and the Dunkards, etc. It has been awhile since I have
worked on my heritage scrapbook and I kind of forget the details now.

Always interested in anything new. My name and address changed a while ago -
from Carolyn Kissel to Carolyn Hassall and address is now in North Carolina
instead of Florida.

Regards, Carolyn

------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:49:07 PM EST
From: Floyd Kessler <flkessler@...>
To: <kessler-ulrich@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Kessler-Ulrich] test - is this list still active

>
> Hello Everyone:
> I am still around and I turned 79 years of age last October and still going
strong....I still am doing a lot of researching for persons all over the USA.
The internet is sending persons e-mail addresses to me quite a bit and this
has been keeping me busy and out of mischief.  Today, is a bad day and it
rained and sleeted last night and there are a lot of slick roads today here in
Montgomery County, Ohio. Lots of cancellations (250) of schools and other
organizations. I have thought about the Kessler DNA a few times, however, I
haven't as yet pursued anything as yet????
> FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.
>
>
> To: Kessler-Ulrich@...: allofgrace1@...: Tue,
12 Feb 2008 11:44:42 -0500Subject: Re: [Kessler-Ulrich] test - is this list
still active
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, yes and no.  It's still up and running but not much activity in recent
months.
>
> How's everyone faring this winter?
>
> Kathryn
>
> "Loving God for HIMSELF
ALONE!"________________________________________________________________
>
> Disclaimer: "Don't believe ANYTHING I say here;  check it out for
yourselves."
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Wright
> To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:38 AM
> Subject: [Kessler-Ulrich] test - is this list still active
>
>
> I sent an email to the list yesterday, but it hasn't appeared.Bill Wright
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.

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To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com
From: allofgrace1@...
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:44:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [Kessler-Ulrich] test - is this list still active

Well, yes and no.  It's still up and running but not much activity in recent months.

 

How's everyone faring this winter?

 

Kathryn

 

"Loving God for HIMSELF ALONE!"
________________________________________________________________

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Wright

To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:38 AM

Subject: [Kessler-Ulrich] test - is this list still active

I sent an email to the list yesterday, but it hasn't appeared.

Bill Wright

FLOYD L. KESSLER. JR.

---

To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com
From: allofgrace1@...
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:44:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [Kessler-Ulrich] test - is this list still active

Well, yes and no.  It's still up and running but not much activity in recent months.

 

How's everyone faring this winter?

 

Kathryn

 

"Loving God for HIMSELF ALONE!"
________________________________________________________________

 

Disclaimer: "Don't believe ANYTHING I say here;  check it out for yourselves."

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Wright

To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:38 AM

Subject: [Kessler-Ulrich] test - is this list still active

I sent an email to the list yesterday, but it hasn't appeared.

Bill Wright

Yesterday, I was searching ysearch.org for DNA matches to that of my
ancestor John Lewis who was in Westerly, RI, in 1661. Among the matches
was the surname Kessler. I clicked on the link and it was David Kessler,
a descendant of Ulrich.

Only 12 markers were reported for David on ysearch. The 12 marker tests
produce a lot of false positives and even some false negatives. So the
match with different surnames does not mean anything.

But finding a DNA test for a descendant of Ulrich does. So I checked for
DNA matches between David and others with the Kessler surname. This
produced two additional matches. Both these additional tests were for 37
markers. These two men matched 11 out of 12 with David saying that they
were possibly related. These two other Kessler men matched 36 out of 37
markers with each other. They almost certainly share a recent common
ancestor.

Here is the information from ysearch on these two men's ancestry.
Ysearch ID G4G5J
First Name:   Thomas
Last Name:  Kessler
Year Born:  About 1623
Year Died:  1686
Country of Origin:  Muhlhofen, Germany

Ysearch ID ZMSPK
First Name:   John
Last Name:  Kessler
Year Born:  About 1775
Year Died:  1850
Additional information about Paternal Line:
John Kessler m. 8 March 1794 Nancy Waskey Fredrick Co., MD. John Kessler
died Botetourt Co., VA. They had seven children

So we have a possible nephew or cousin of Ulrich who lived in Frederick
Co, MD; and a possible ancestor or uncle of some sort of Ulrich who
lived in Germany in the 1600s.

To prove up these possible relationships we need David to upgrade his
test to 25-37+ markers or one or more patrilineal descendants of Ulrich
to step forward and be tested for 25+ markers.

Family Tree DNA has three surname projects that accept the Kessler
surname. The Kessler project does not publish its results on the project
webpage. Most projects do. I really can't recommend joining the Kessler
project because you handicap yourself with respect to being able to
compare results with other possible relatives. But both the Kepler and
Castle projects do publish results and accept particpants surnamed Kessler.

Only about half the people tested take the trouble to post their results
on ysearch.

Let me show you why I think posting results is important. I will use the
Wrights as an example. Here is the website:
<http://www.wright-dna.org/dna/R1b1Results.html>
If you scroll down or search for "1776 William," you will find a group
of six men who have been tested and have closely matching DNA. On my
computer this group is colored tan.

The two labeled "1776 William" are myself and a proven sixth cousin. We
got the results for the 12 markers back first. We matched 10 out of 12.
Probably not related! That shook us up, but when we got the results back
for the next 13 markers we matched perfectly on them, proving that we
share a recent common ancestor.

The next result to come back was Kit 51030. Another sixth cousin. His
fell midway between the first two of us to be tested.

Then we received a notice of a match from N6463. This guy does not fit
anywhere in our family tree. He descends from a different Wright
immigrant. But there are enough similarities in what we know about the
two immigrants that we believe that both immigrants share a common
ancestor back in Ireland.

Kit #94268 is another sixth cousin of mine and a fifth cousin of Kit
13074. This is Bob Wright and his DNA appears to be the signature DNA
for the group and represents that of our immigrant William Wright.

The last match kit N48391 is interesting. We have no indication that he
is of Scotch-Irish descent like the rest of us. We have not found the
original immigrant, and his family tree does not connect with either of
the other two trees. Yet with a 25 out of 25 match with our signature
DNA, he has a recent common ancestor with us somewhere back in the "old
country."

One more test is not shown in our group, but one of the markers came up
with a wild card reading. About six lines above is John Kit 11697+,
aclose relative of N48391. He matches 24 out of 25 markers with the
signature DNA, but the one mismatch is off by a count of 4 from the rest
of us. FamTrDNA has double checked the reading and confirmed it. This
suggests that he is not related. The mismatch is such that he did not
receive a notice of a match from FamTrDNA when our tests were done and
we did not receive a notice of a match when he upgraded from 12 to 25
markers.

So what do we have. The DNA test results have given the Wrights two
additional family lines who immigrated at different times to different
colonies and for whom no paper record exists that says we are related.
But DNA tests show we are.

So I hope to see some more Kessler men with DNA tests so we can prove or
disprove these additional links.

Bill Wright

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Wright

To: Kessler-Ulrich@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:38 AM

Subject: [Kessler-Ulrich] test - is this list still active

I sent an email to the list yesterday, but it hasn't appeared.

Bill Wright

I sent an email to the list yesterday, but it hasn't appeared.

Bill Wright