Well, how about the whole business with Star Wars? The "original" movie trilogy
occurs _later_ in the time line then the later ones!
 
And let's not get into the "fun" DC and Marvel have with THEIR series and
timelines. (My son is _such_ a Justice League fan these days, and he wants to
know ALL about. Wiki is getting a lot of my time.)

You know and I know that publishers have bills to pay...BUT SO DO AUTHORS! And
without the author the publisher can't exist. ('Cause there's nothing for them
to do.)

Candi

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, cullynofcerrmor <cullynofcerrmor@...> wrote:


From: cullynofcerrmor <cullynofcerrmor@...>
Subject: [KatharineKerr] Re: Ebooks?
To: KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 10:53 PM


 



The government, they do a lot of things backwards. ;-) LOL

--- In KatharineKerr@ yahoogroups. com, "mandajacki" <mandajacki@ ...> wrote:
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>
> Who puts out a series _backwards_?
>
> Amanda











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Good grief! I know they have to pay the people who do the computer work, but
come on!

Candi

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, caddacerrmor@... <caddacerrmor@...> wrote:


From: caddacerrmor@... <caddacerrmor@...>
Subject: Re: [KatharineKerr] Ebooks?
To: KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 1:13 PM


 




In a message dated 12/15/2009 8:08:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
livingstonemark@ gmail.com writes:

hope they give you a huge royalty

Well, it's huge compared to mass market paperbacks, which are 7 and 1/2
percent. For ebooks I get 25%. Not huge compared to publisher share, but
they hold most of the cards. Some firms, like Hachette, insist on even
smaller royalties for ebooks, out of sheer greed.

Kit

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When I was doing my report on publishing in high school, I came across an
article that said (get this) advertising for most books was overrated and
knowledge of such was usually spread by "word of mouth".
 
Whether that's actually believable or not, someone still needs to put the word
out or nothing's being passed by mouth.
 
This would be where the Salamanders of the world become very useful. :p
 
Candi

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Joanna Kasper <jo_kasper@...> wrote:


From: Joanna Kasper <jo_kasper@...>
Subject: Re: [KatharineKerr] Ebooks?
To: KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 7:37 PM


 



Gosh, I wonder if that is why they only sold 50 copies...if even the author
doesn't know it exists they have't publicised it very much *grin*. People will
only buy what they know exists...you know, I reckon if we put our heads together
we could come up with some simple way of letting potential readers know that the
books exist...something like...oh, I don't know....ADVERTISING ?????

Jo

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To: KatharineKerr@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 16 December, 2009 1:23:33 PM
Subject: [KatharineKerr] Ebooks?

Well, I -finally- got my Bantam royalty statements (2 months late!) and lo
and behold, they have put out an ebook of THE FIRE DRAGON. I know this
only because 50 copies of it sold. I do not know where it's available or in
what format, because they never bothered to tell me.

Jeez . . .

Kit

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The government, they do a lot of things backwards.  ;-) LOL

--- In KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com, "mandajacki" <mandajacki@...> wrote:
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>
>  Who puts out a series _backwards_?
>
>          Amanda

A question regarding the pracice of moon goddess worship in the books. How much
of what is described (the description of the temples, the warrior nature of
those who worship the moon in her dark aspect, etc) is based on known or
mythological practices? (And whose?)

I'm going to guess that most of what is described is Kitt at her best, for the
simple reason that the research I've done into ancient times on behalf of
archaeological groups indicates that what has been preserved of religious
practices is very very limited and extraordinarily fragmentary. I've seen a lot
of speculation with almost zero evidence and a multitude of alternative
explanations that would be as good or better.

On the other hand, really talented speculative science fantasy* authors are
amazing researchers and Kitt is both talented and amazing. If there existed any
comparable practice in the real world or "real world mythology", it would not
surprise me in the least if Kitt had detailed knowledge on the subject.

Yes, this is a convoluted question on so many different levels. The key reason
I'm asking though is that this is a concept that recurs in some form or other in
a great deal of modern fantasy, where virtually no two forms have anything in
common besides some vague concept of a triple, and where the origins of this
concept are about as dubious as the Victorian claim that Vikings had horned
helmets.

The fact that almost the entirity of Kitt's usage of the idea occupies the very
last part of a single incarnation (as opposed to, say, Wmm or Bel, who get
regular guest appearances and would likely have appeared on Letterman if the
series continued on long enough) hints that it may have been more narrative
convenience to use a concept familiar to fans of fantasy. And a superbly-done
take on it, it was too. Certainly the most convincing take I've ever seen.

On the other hand, I don't want Kitt to be done out of fair dues if she's
reverse-engineered a plausible European practice from available data or has
created a high fantasy* version using real-world data as a source of
inspiration. Either would be an impressive (as in PhD-worthy impressive)
achievement.

I've asked about historical inspirations before. One of the reasons I'm
intrigued by the real-world inspirations is that I'm fascinated by how different
authors approach the genre of fantasy in general. Well, aside from the authors
who approach it with an obvious hormonal problem. I'm curious as to how much an
author is actually inspired by something like a historical source and how much
the author is merely attracted to the source they believe themselves inspired by
because of some quality of the author themselves (ie: in an alternative
universe, with very different sources, the author would have found whatever was
needed to end up with a very similar book).

Another reason is that authors are often far better researchers than
archaeologists when it comes to understanding people, so when 99% of available
knowledge consists of incompatible information (most of which is suspect anyway)
or relatively modern corruptions of largely lost earlier sources, I'll trust
archaeologists to give me accurate dates, places and migrations of technologies,
I'm not always so keen to trust them to create a good feel for how people were.
They're just too focussed and too specialized. Authors with as much knowledge of
anthropology and archaeology as, say, Isaac Asimiv had of biology, JRRT had of
philology, or Kit Peddler had of cryobiology, are going to be much better people
to look towards for a grasp of, well, people.

*I'm not sure if others use quite the same terminology as I do. To me, Science
Fantasy is to fantasy what science fiction is to fiction. But because sci-fi has
been abused a fair bit to describe anything that seems either futuristic or
"amazing", I use the qualifier of "speculative" where the author has been at
pains to have a self-consistant, non-arbitrary universe and "high" where this
extends to how plausibly the characters interact with it. Kitt's Deverry series
seems to me to meet the requirements for high speculative fantasy, by this
definition.

On 17/12/2009, at 9:37 AM, Maelwaedd wrote:

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>>
>> Do you happen to remember the ending price? I logged on too late to see
>> it.
>
> It went for 117.02 pounds, or $190.31 using ebay's exchange rate.
>

Or 213.007 Australian dollars ;-)

Chris

Since The Silver Mage was about the same price as a mm in Australia(aprox $25)
you may be on a good deal.

Brendan




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From: "caddacerrmor@..." <caddacerrmor@...>
To: KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 17 December, 2009 8:13:56 AM
Subject: Re: [KatharineKerr] Ebooks?



In a message dated 12/15/2009 8:08:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
livingstonemark@ gmail.com writes:

hope they  give you a huge royalty

Well, it's huge compared to mass market paperbacks, which are 7 and 1/2
percent.  For ebooks I get 25%.   Not huge compared to publisher  share, but
they hold most of the cards.  Some firms, like Hachette, insist  on even
smaller royalties for ebooks, out of sheer greed.

Kit

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On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:03 PM, <caddacerrmor@...> wrote:

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>
>
> In a message dated 12/16/2009 2:57:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> morganastargazer@... <morganastargazer%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> The ones that
> are available are Fire Dragon, Gold Falcon, Shadow Isle, and Silver Mage.
>
> But no SPIRIT STONE? That'll really confuse readers . . .
>
> Kit
>

Exactly what I thought. They obviously don't know anything about how the
series is structured. At least get all four books of the final "act"! I'm
going to go back into Amazon and pull up all the other titles and request
them in Kindle format. I don't know if it will help but it will make me feel
better. :)

As a former librarian I still get this unreal feeling to actually
communicate with my favorite author. I love books and reading but I'm not
very good with words myself. But thank you Kit for your books and being so
gracious and generous with your time in ! answering all our questions and
comments. You are the best!

Deb

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The Villages, FL
morganastargazer@...


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In a message dated 12/16/2009 3:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
maelwaedd@... writes:

>Do you  happen to remember the ending price? I logged on too late to  see
>it.

It went for 117.02 pounds, or $190.31 using ebay's  exchange rate.

MS



Wow.  That's really cool.  Some Third World family will hopefully  get a
milk cow out of that!

Kit


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>
>Do you happen to remember the ending price? I logged on too late to see
>it.

It went for 117.02 pounds, or $190.31 using ebay's exchange rate.

MS

In a message dated 12/16/2009 2:59:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,
maelwaedd@... writes:

I did bid on  the Black Raven manuscript today, but alas (for me, not
the charity!),  someone with deeper pockets got it.



Do you happen to remember the ending price?  I logged on too late to  see
it.

Kit


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In a message dated 12/16/2009 2:57:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
morganastargazer@... writes:

The ones  that
are available are Fire Dragon, Gold Falcon, Shadow Isle, and Silver  Mage.



But no SPIRIT STONE?    That'll really confuse readers  . . .

Kit


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I came across this today - formally known as Shortcovers, it's an
ebook retailer partially owned by Borders called kobo. They have four
books, though they lack the proper cover for the most recent one!

http://kobobooks.com/search/search.html?q=katharine%20kerr


I did bid on the Black Raven manuscript today, but alas (for me, not
the charity!), someone with deeper pockets got it.

MS

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:14 PM, <caddacerrmor@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/16/2009 3:47:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> morganastargazer@... <morganastargazer%40gmail.com> writes:
>
> was disappointed to see that only 4
> > of the Deverry books are available in Kindle editions.
>
> I didn't know that any of them were! Amazing what publishers don't bother
> to tell authors!
>
>
> Kit
>

Yes it is amazing! Don't they know how important authors are?? The ones that
are available are Fire Dragon, Gold Falcon, Shadow Isle, and Silver Mage.

Deb


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The Villages, FL
morganastargazer@...


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In a message dated 12/16/2009 3:47:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
morganastargazer@... writes:

was  disappointed to see that only 4
> of the Deverry books are available in  Kindle editions.


I didn't know that any of them were!  Amazing what publishers don't  bother
to tell authors!

Kit


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In a message dated 12/15/2009 8:08:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
livingstonemark@... writes:

hope they  give you a huge royalty


Well, it's huge compared to mass market paperbacks, which are 7 and 1/2
percent.  For ebooks I get 25%.   Not huge compared to publisher  share, but
they hold most of the cards.  Some firms, like Hachette, insist  on even
smaller royalties for ebooks, out of sheer greed.

Kit


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Thanks, Amanda!

Kit


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On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:57 PM, <caddacerrmor@...> wrote:

>
>
> It's written in for all the later books, from #7 on, I think, so they can
> do it if they want to. You'd think they'd drop me a line in email to let
> me know, though.
>
> HarperCollins UK now wants to issue ebooks of the entire series, but I'm
> not sure if Bantam and DAW have exclusive rights. Must consult with agents.
>
>
> Kit
>
> That good news! I just got a Kindle and was disappointed to see that only 4
> of the Deverry books are available in Kindle editions. I want a Kindle set
> that I can easily take with me anywhere and not lose or read into tatters!
> :)
>
> Back to lurking,
>
     Debbie

>
>



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Hi Kit,

You are more than welcome! I suspect if Sony has it, that others might too.

Lets face it, it is a zero production cost since they probably made
that PDF as part of the printing process. Maybe 1 cent for bandwidth
and storage. I hope they give you a huge royalty as pretty much the
entire RRP is profit!

Merry Christmas and thanks for hours of bedtime reading enjoyment. I
am on a reread and just on Dragonspell.

MarkL

2009/12/16  <caddacerrmor@...>:
> Thanks, Mark!
>
> Kit
>
>
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> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>

Thanks, Mark!

Kit


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In a message dated 12/15/2009 7:25:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Megan.T.McRae@... writes:

Or is that
something that's written into your contract, that they can release an
e-book if they want?



It's written in for all the later books, from #7 on, I think, so they can
do it if they want to.  You'd think they'd drop me a line in email to let
me know, though.

HarperCollins UK now wants to issue ebooks of the entire series, but I'm
not sure if Bantam and DAW have exclusive rights.  Must consult with  agents.

Kit


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I suspect the fact that it is clearly Book 11 of a 15 book series, when none of
the prior books are out in eformat, also has a lot to do with the limited number
of copies sold :P  Who puts out a series _backwards_?

          Amanda

--- In KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com, Joanna Kasper <jo_kasper@...> wrote:
>
> Gosh, I wonder if that is why they only sold 50 copies...if even the author
doesn't know it exists they have't publicised it very much *grin*.  People will
only buy what they know exists...you know, I reckon if we put our heads together
we could come up with some simple way of letting potential readers know that the
books exist...something like...oh, I don't know....ADVERTISING?????
>
> Jo
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough
people to make it worth the effort
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "caddacerrmor@..." <caddacerrmor@...>
> To: KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 16 December, 2009 1:23:33 PM
> Subject: [KatharineKerr] Ebooks?
>
>
> Well, I -finally- got my Bantam royalty statements (2 months late!) and lo
> and behold, they have put out an ebook of THE FIRE DRAGON.  I know this
> only because 50 copies of it sold.  I do not know where it's available or  in
> what format, because they never bothered to tell me.
>
> Jeez . . .
>
> Kit
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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It's been up since early this year sometime.  They've also put out a Secure
eReader version of Black Raven on Fictionwise (it just went up the other day).

                   Amanda

--- In KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com, caddacerrmor@... wrote:
>
> Well, I -finally- got my Bantam royalty statements (2 months late!) and lo
> and behold, they have put out an ebook of THE FIRE DRAGON.  I know this
> only because 50 copies of it sold.  I do not know where it's available or  in
> what format, because they never bothered to tell me.
>
> Jeez . . .
>
> Kit
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Gosh, I wonder if that is why they only sold 50 copies...if even the author
doesn't know it exists they have't publicised it very much *grin*.  People will
only buy what they know exists...you know, I reckon if we put our heads together
we could come up with some simple way of letting potential readers know that the
books exist...something like...oh, I don't know....ADVERTISING?????

Jo



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people to make it worth the effort
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From: "caddacerrmor@..." <caddacerrmor@...>
To: KatharineKerr@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 16 December, 2009 1:23:33 PM
Subject: [KatharineKerr] Ebooks?


Well, I -finally- got my Bantam royalty statements (2 months late!) and lo
and behold, they have put out an ebook of THE FIRE DRAGON.  I know this
only because 50 copies of it sold.  I do not know where it's available or  in
what format, because they never bothered to tell me.

Jeez . . .

Kit

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http://ebookstore.sony.com/ebook/katharine-kerr/the-fire-dragon/_/R-400000000000\
000102185

2009/12/16  <caddacerrmor@...>:
> Well, I -finally- got my Bantam royalty statements (2 months late!) and lo
> and behold, they have put out an ebook of THE FIRE DRAGON.  I know this
> only because 50 copies of it sold.  I do not know where it's available or  in
> what format, because they never bothered to tell me.
>
> Jeez . . .
>
> Kit

Gee, I thought they had to get your permission to do that.  Or is that
something that's written into your contract, that they can release an
e-book if they want?

-Megan

caddacerrmor@... wrote:
>
>
> Well, I -finally- got my Bantam royalty statements (2 months late!)
> and lo
> and behold, they have put out an ebook of THE FIRE DRAGON. I know this
> only because 50 copies of it sold. I do not know where it's available
> or in
> what format, because they never bothered to tell me.
>
> Jeez . . .
>
> Kit
>
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Well, I -finally- got my Bantam royalty statements (2 months late!) and lo
and behold, they have put out an ebook of THE FIRE DRAGON.  I know this
only because 50 copies of it sold.  I do not know where it's available or  in
what format, because they never bothered to tell me.

Jeez . . .

Kit


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