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#17670 From: Richard Kuper <richard@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 10:43 am
Subject: 'This House believes that Zionism is a danger to the Jewish people'
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Cambridge Union debate

   On 16th February the proposition that 'This House believes that
Zionism is a danger to the Jewish people' was narrowly carried in a
debate at the Cambridge Union. The speeches in favour of the
Proposition by Brian Klug, Daphna Baram and Richard Kuper are here. The
speakers against were Ned Temko, Daniel Shek (Bicom) and Jeremy Briar.

It provoked the most extrordinary response from Melanie Philips both
before the event [The Oxbridge sport of Jew-baiting, 14th Feb] and
after [The closing of (some) university minds, 20th Feb] and a
ferociously misleading report by Emanuele Ottolenghi entitled Jews
against Jews in the Jerusalem Post on 22nd Feb which licensed some
extraordinarily malicious talkback. Daphna Baram finally got a reply
Who really sets Jews against Jews? published in the Jerusalem Post
today.

N.B. If these links do not come through as live ones, please go to
http://www.jfjfp.org/background.htm where this report is the first item
under 'New on this site'.

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#17671 From: "Roland Rance" <lists@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 12:09 pm
Subject: RE: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.
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> In view of Yahoo's recent involvement in prosecution of
> political dissidents in China, I feel uncomfortable about
> using its services. I suggest we move this list to google or
> any other provider.


That's the same Google that censors its results in China, is it? Or do you
know a better one?

Roland

#17672 From: "jonnypolonsky" <jpolonsky@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.
jonnypolonsky
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That may be, and shame on Google for doing so, but there is a
qualitative difference between the censorship of online material and
the active aiding of the brutal Chinese regime in the prosecution and
probable torture of a journalist

I know of course that the two are on the same scale, but what Yahoo
have done in the pursuit of securing deals in the 'emerging market' of
China ranks among the worst acts a corporation can do to improve the
bottom line. You can almost hear the discussions in the boardroom,
weighing up the costs of this mans life. In the final analysis, he
simply wasn't worth the billions that Yahoo stand to lose

I agree with Yishay- let's make like the C of E and 'divest' from
Yahoo now. Anyone know of a suitable new host for our forum?

Jonny



--- In JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com, "Roland Rance" <lists@...> wrote:
>
> > In view of Yahoo's recent involvement in prosecution of
> > political dissidents in China, I feel uncomfortable about
> > using its services. I suggest we move this list to google or
> > any other provider.
>
>
> That's the same Google that censors its results in China, is it? Or
do you
> know a better one?
>
> Roland
>

#17673 From: Ilana Bakal <ilanbakal@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 1:10 pm
Subject: Jew against Zionism
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Read Daphna Baram's article about Jew against Zionism

  
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395509369&pagename=JPost%2FJPArti\
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#17674 From: "diana" <D.Neslen@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 2:22 pm
Subject: Fw: HAVE YOU HEARD THIS?
neslendiana
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If you wish to sign this petition you will have to cut and paste the urls
----- Original Message -----
From: john cresswell
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: HAVE YOU HEARD THIS?


PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION and forward

Anti-Palestine pressure to remove film 'Paradise Now' from Oscar bid AND to
remove reference to the film being from 'Palestine'!


More than 29,000 people have signed a petition for pressure to not only change
the description of the country, but to withdraw the nomination all together.

Please read articles below and sign the COUNTER petition to support the
nomination and to name Palestine as the country!

http://www.petitiononline.com/para222/petition.html

Articles on the subject:

Powerful Israelis, Jews in Hollywood exert pressures on American Academy
members, in a bid to prevent Palestinian movie 'Paradise Now' from winning
Oscar. Meanwhile, Israeli diplomats get Academy's commitment not to present
film as representing Palestinian state.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3214866,00.html



Israel lobbies against "Palestine" tag at Oscars


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060212/film_nm/oscars_israel_palestinians_dc


       PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION and forward

       Anti-Palestine pressure to remove film 'Paradise Now' from Oscar bid AND
to remove reference to the film being from 'Palestine'!


       More than 29,000 people have signed a petition for pressure to not only
change the description of the country, but to withdraw the nomination all
together.

       Please read articles below and sign the COUNTER petition to support the
nomination and to name Palestine as the country!

       http://www.petitiononline.com/para222/petition.html

       Articles on the subject:

       Powerful Israelis, Jews in Hollywood exert pressures on American Academy
members, in a bid to prevent Palestinian movie 'Paradise Now' from winning
Oscar. Meanwhile, Israeli diplomats get Academy's commitment not to present film
as representing Palestinian state.
       http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3214866,00.html



       Israel lobbies against "Palestine" tag at Oscars


       http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060212/film_nm/oscars_israel_palestinians_dc

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#17675 From: "diana" <D.Neslen@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 2:23 pm
Subject: Fw: Women's Call for Peace
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sheila Triggs
To: wib-london@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Fw: Women's Call for Peace





Dear friends,

Apologies if you receive this message more than once, and please circulate it
widely.

For two months women across the world have been collecting signatures to an
on-line petition Women's Call for Peace. If you or your friends, family or
colleagues have not yet signed the petition then please, please encourage them
to do so at
www.womensaynotowar.org

A delegation of women, including from Code Pink, Women in Black, and the Women's
International League for Peace and Freedom will be presenting the petition to 10
Downing Street on International Women's Day, Wednesday March 8th 2006 at 1.30 pm


On that day , all over the world, groups of women will be delivering copies of
'the call' to their US Embassies or consulates; or will be holding peace vigils,
rallies and marches.


The petition has attracted signatures from a really diverse range of
people; from peace activists, from policy makers and politicians, from
artists and writers, from concerned parents and grandparents and from
members of military families; people from all walks of life and from
over 120 different countries, and it will make a very
powerful statement.


We have arranged for the formal delegation of six named women to enter Downing
Street but supporters are encouraged to gather at the gates before 1.30 pm on
Wednesday March 8th The whole process is likely to be fairly swift.



> AFTERWARDS - EVENT AT US EMBASSY 2pm
>
> At 2pm there will be a public event outside the US Embassy in Grosvenor
> Square. It is organised by Code Pink but you are most welcome to come along -
and bring your friends!
> Although the US Embassy event will be (probably) quite lively in parts,
> there will also be time for quiet reflection: People are being invited
> to take along flowers, paper doves or peace messages, to leave in memory
> of those who have lost their lives in the Iraq war and occupation. A 2
> minutes silence will be held to reflect on lives lost. We also hope to
> have some music, and some speakers at the event; and an attempt will be
> made to deliver a copy of the 'call' to the US Embassy. More details
> should be available nearer the time.

In peace

Sheila



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#17676 From: "Yishay Mor" <yishaym@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.
yishaym
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Google came clean, and announced that it would allow the Chinese authorities
to censor google.cn, but it would note in the search results when content
has been barred. It still offers uncensored google.com, but that is slow in
China, and many of the links you click are cut off by the Chinese
government's firewalls.
Many Chinese know how to circumvent these barriers.
By the way, Cisco sells the firewalls to China - which puts it in the same
league as Caterpillar, if you know what I mean.
Yahoo betrayed the trust of its clients, by submitting their private
information to an oppressive regime. That's worse that Cisco, Caterpillar
and many others. Its almost comparable to IBM's dealings with the Nazis.

I use googlegroups and find it satisfactory. I'm sure there are other
options.


That may be, and shame on Google for doing so, but there is a
> qualitative difference between the censorship of online material and
> the active aiding of the brutal Chinese regime in the prosecution and
> probable torture of a journalist
>
> I know of course that the two are on the same scale, but what Yahoo
> have done in the pursuit of securing deals in the 'emerging market' of
> China ranks among the worst acts a corporation can do to improve the
> bottom line. You can almost hear the discussions in the boardroom,
> weighing up the costs of this mans life. In the final analysis, he
> simply wasn't worth the billions that Yahoo stand to lose
>
> I agree with Yishay- let's make like the C of E and 'divest' from
> Yahoo now. Anyone know of a suitable new host for our forum?
>
> Jonny
>
>
>
> --- In JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com, "Roland Rance" <lists@...> wrote:
> >
> > > In view of Yahoo's recent involvement in prosecution of
> > > political dissidents in China, I feel uncomfortable about
> > > using its services. I suggest we move this list to google or
> > > any other provider.
> >
> >
> > That's the same Google that censors its results in China, is it? Or
> do you
> > know a better one?
> >
> > Roland
> >
>
>
>
___________________________
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    http://www.lkl.ac.uk/people/mor.html
    http://yishaym.wordpress.com
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/yishaymor
    +44-20-78378888 x5737


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#17677 From: "Frank Fisher" <frankf@...>
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: (Paradise Now) HAVE YOU HEARD THIS?
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Don't forget that 'Paradise Now' will be shown at the Human Rights Watch
International Film Festival in London. Screenings are at:

RItzy - Sat 18th March 9pm
ICA - Sun 19th March 6pm

Further details at http://hrw.org/iff/2006/london/films.html#paradise_now

I believe international distribution rights are held by Warners.  Perhaps they
will eventually deign to release it more widely in the UK.

Frank

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: diana
   To: JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:22 PM
   Subject: [JustPeaceUK] Fw: HAVE YOU HEARD THIS?


   If you wish to sign this petition you will have to cut and paste the urls
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: john cresswell
   To:
   Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:03 AM
   Subject: HAVE YOU HEARD THIS?


   PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION and forward

   Anti-Palestine pressure to remove film 'Paradise Now' from Oscar bid AND to
   remove reference to the film being from 'Palestine'!


   More than 29,000 people have signed a petition for pressure to not only change
   the description of the country, but to withdraw the nomination all together.

   Please read articles below and sign the COUNTER petition to support the
   nomination and to name Palestine as the country!

   http://www.petitiononline.com/para222/petition.html

   Articles on the subject:

   Powerful Israelis, Jews in Hollywood exert pressures on American Academy
   members, in a bid to prevent Palestinian movie 'Paradise Now' from winning
   Oscar. Meanwhile, Israeli diplomats get Academy's commitment not to present
   film as representing Palestinian state.
   http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3214866,00.html



   Israel lobbies against "Palestine" tag at Oscars


   http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060212/film_nm/oscars_israel_palestinians_dc


         PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION and forward

         Anti-Palestine pressure to remove film 'Paradise Now' from Oscar bid AND
to remove reference to the film being from 'Palestine'!


         More than 29,000 people have signed a petition for pressure to not only
change the description of the country, but to withdraw the nomination all
together.

         Please read articles below and sign the COUNTER petition to support the
nomination and to name Palestine as the country!

         http://www.petitiononline.com/para222/petition.html

         Articles on the subject:

         Powerful Israelis, Jews in Hollywood exert pressures on American Academy
members, in a bid to prevent Palestinian movie 'Paradise Now' from winning
Oscar. Meanwhile, Israeli diplomats get Academy's commitment not to present film
as representing Palestinian state.
         http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3214866,00.html



         Israel lobbies against "Palestine" tag at Oscars


        
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060212/film_nm/oscars_israel_palestinians_dc

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#17678 From: charlespottins@...
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 5:58 am
Subject: new issue of Jewish Socialist has Matan Cohen interview
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17-year old MATAN COHEN is in Tel Hashomer hospital  waiting to hear if he
will lose an eye after being hit in the face by a rubber  bullet fired by
Israeli Border Police.  Matan had been taking part in a  demonstration against
Israel's "security wall"
Simon Lynn interviewed Matan about his ideas and  activity with Anarchists
Against the Wall when the young campaigner was in  London last Autumn.
You can read the interview with this remarkable  young man in the new issue
of JEWISH SOCIALIST magazine, no.51, that is just  out.

Also in the same issue, MOSHE MACHOVER and LARRY RAY argue the  merits of the
academic boycott tactic, PIERS MOSTYN questions what sort of  "justice" can
be expected in Iraq, WILLIAM COOKE finds rebirth in Berlin,  and  MARK LEVENE
urges us to face the issue of climate change.  Plus  reviews of Michel
Warshawsky's On the Border, A B Yehoshua The Liberated Bride,  and Bernard
Goldstein's
Five Years in the Warsaw Ghetto.
All this and more still at the old price £1.50.

Stop me and buy one, or contact _js@..._
(mailto:js@...)  to arrange a  subscription.  (four issues for
£7.50 in UK)

_http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/index.html_
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#17679 From: charlespottins@...
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 6:48 am
Subject: Abraham Serfaty
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Just to point out an error in Daphna Baram's article = Abraham Serfaty  was
(is?)not an "Algerian dissident" but a Moroccan marxist, imprisoned in
Morocco.

His prison sentence should have ranked him with Mandela or Vanunu, and  he is
probably respected as much by many Moroccans, but his case was paid little
attention in the English-speaking world, perhaps because of insularity, or
because Morocco is part of the pro-Western "free world" ; and even less by the
Jewish community media because Serfaty was a left-winger and not a Zionist.
(not  even an Ashkenazi, either).
   Now if only he were a sound Thatcherite and chauvinist like  Sharansky.....



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#17680 From: Izzat Darwazeh <izzatdarwazeh@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 12:02 pm
Subject: My Name Is Rachel Corrie, back inLondon after being censored in the US
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So much for freedom of expression.  Amazing!!

from

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1720592,00.html

Izzat

Surely Americans will not put up with this censorship

The decision by a New York theatre to cave in to
pressure over our play shows how the scope for free
debate has narrowed

Katharine Viner
Wednesday March 1, 2006
The Guardian

The flights for cast and crew had been booked; the
production schedule delivered; the press announcement
drafted and approved; tickets advertised on the
internet. The Royal Court production of My Name Is
Rachel Corrie, the play I co-edited with Alan Rickman,
was transferring next month to the New York Theatre
Workshop, home of the groundbreaking musical Rent,
following two sellout runs in London and several
awards.

We always thought that it was a piece of work that
needed to be seen in the US. Created from the journals
and emails of American activist Rachel Corrie, telling
of her journey from her adolescent life in Seattle,
Washington, to her death under a bulldozer in Gaza at
the age of 23, we considered it, in a sense, to be an
American story, which would have a particular
relevance for audiences in Rachel's home country.
After all, she had made her journey to the Middle East
in order "to meet the people who are on the receiving
end of our [American] tax dollars", and she was a
killed by a US-made bulldozer.

But last week the New York Theatre Workshop cancelled
the production - or, in their words, "postponed it
indefinitely". The political climate, we were told,
had changed dramatically since the play was booked. As
James Nicola, the theatre's artistic director, said
yesterday: "In our pre-production planning and our
talking around and listening in our communities in New
York, what we heard was that after Ariel Sharon's
illness and the election of Hamas in the recent
Palestinian elections, we had a very edgy situation."
Rachel was to be censored for political reasons.

It makes you wonder. If a young, middle-class,
scrupulously fair-minded, and dead, American woman,
whose superb writing about her job as a mental health
worker, ex-boyfriends, troublesome parents, struggle
to find out who she wanted to be, and how she found
that by travelling to Gaza and discovering the
shocking conditions under which the Palestinians live
- if a voice like this cannot be heard on a New York
stage, what hope is there for anyone else? The
non-American, the non-white, the non-dead, the
oppressed?

Anyone who sees the play, or reads it, realises that
this is no piece of alienating agitprop. One night in
London, a group of American students came to a
performance and mobbed us afterwards, thrilled that
they had seen themselves on stage, and who they might,
in a different life, have become. Another night, an
Israeli couple, members of the rightwing Likud party,
on holiday in Britain, were similarly impressed. "The
play wasn't against Israel, it was against violence,"
they told Cindy Corrie, Rachel's mother. I was
particularly touched by a young Jewish New Yorker,
from an Orthodox family, who said that he had been
nervous about coming to see My Name Is Rachel Corrie,
because he had been told that both she and it were
viciously anti-Israel. But he had been powerfully
moved by Rachel's words and realised that he had, to
his alarm, been dangerously misled.

But the director of the New York theatre told the New
York Times yesterday that it wasn't the people who
actually saw the play he was concerned about. "I don't
think we were worried about the audience," he said. "I
think we were more worried that those who had never
encountered her writing, never encountered the piece,
would be using this as an opportunity to position
their arguments." Since when did theatre come to be
about those who don't go to see it? If the play
itself, as Mr Nicola clearly concedes, is not the
problem, then isn't the answer to get people in to
watch it, rather than exercising prior censorship?
With freedom of speech now at the top of the
international agenda, and George Clooney's outstanding
Good Night, and Good Luck reminding us of the dangers
of not standing up to witch-hunts, Americans should
not be denied the right to hear Rachel Corrie's words
- words that only two weeks ago were deemed
acceptable.

I'd heard from American friends that life for
dissenters had been getting worse - wiretapping
scandals, arrests for wearing anti-war T-shirts,
Muslim professors denied visas. But it's hard to tell
from afar how bad things really are. Here was personal
proof that the political climate is continuing to
shift disturbingly, narrowing the scope of free debate
and artistic expression. What was acceptable a matter
of weeks ago is not acceptable now. The New York
theatre's claim that the arrangement was tentative is
absurd: the truth is that its management has caved in
to political pressure, and the reputation of the arts
in New York is the poorer for it.

It is surely underestimating the curiosity and
robustness of the American public, many of whom would
no doubt be interested in an insight into the reality
of occupation that led to the Hamas victory. Artistic
communities need to resist the censorship of voices
that go against the grain of George Bush's America,
rather than following the Fox News agenda and gagging
them before they have even been heard.

· My Name Is Rachel Corrie will now be shown at the
Playhouse theatre in London's West End from March 28;
booking number 0870 060 6631

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#17681 From: "Frank Fisher" <frankf@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 9:56 am
Subject: Peace Cycle Benefit
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Some details of benefit on Thurs 9th March at http://www.thepeacecycle.org/

Frank

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#17682 From: "Frank Fisher" <frankf@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 10:13 am
Subject: Fw: letter from Qadi Sheikh Natour regarding the Wiesenthal Center project in the Mamilla Cemetery
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gershon Baskin
To: IPCRI-water-for-life@yahoogroups.com ; IPCRI-News-Service@yahoogroups.com ;
IPCRI-News--Views@googlegroups.Com ; IPCRI-Peace-Teachers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: DialogueandDevelopment@yahoogroups.com ; peacengos@yahoogroups.com ;
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Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: letter from Qadi Sheikh Natour regarding the Wiesenthal Center project
in the Mamilla Cemetery




Dear friends,



I just received the official response of the President of the Sharia’ High
Court of Appeals in Israel, the Qadi Sheikh Ahmad Natour regarding the
Wiesenthal Center project in the Muslim Cemetery of Mamilla.  As you will see
from reading his letter, the claims of the Wiesenthal Center, although written
in a very scholarly manner do not tell the whole story.  The following is the
letter from Sheikh Natour (in my translation from Hebrew):



STATE OF ISRAEL

SHARIA’ HIGH COURT OF APPEALS

THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT



بســـــم الله الرحمــــن الرحيــــــم

מדינת ישר×ל

محكمة الإستئنا٠الشرعية العليا

القدس الشريÙ

בית הדין השרעי העליון ×œ×¢×¨×¢×•×¨×™× The High Court of
Appeals

לשכת ×”× ×©×™×                               ديــــــوان
الرئيـــــــــس                           President's Office



(translated from Hebrew by Gershon Baskin)



Dr. Gershon Baskin

IPCRI

Jerusalem



Shalom,



Re: Your request for information from 21 February regarding our opposition to
damaging the Muslim Cemetery in Mamilla



You attached to your letter an opinion statement from the initiators of a
project called – in full irony – “Human Dignity – Museum of
Toleranceâ€, on the Muslim Cemetery of Mamilla.  Here is our response:



1. Our religious-Sharia’ judgment according to the Sharia’ regarding the
sanctity of cemeteries is that this sanctity is eternal, and this is an
inseparable part of Muslim faith and belief. Accordingly, its sanctity has not
been suspended by the passing of time and its sanctity cannot be changed until
Judgment Day. Therefore, it is stated that there is an absolute prohibition on
digging up graves and this is according to the learned opinion of Sharia’
scholars without exception.  Accordingly, and for many years, Sharia judgments
(fatwas) issued by the Islamic Courts in Israel emphasize this point.
Additionally, a letter of judgment issued by all of the Qadis (Sharia’ Judges)
in Israel in 1994 states unequivocally that the sanctity of all cemeteries is
eternal until the end of time.



2. Any attempt to present the issues as if the Sharia’ determines differently
is a false one that removes the issue from its proper context. Trying to depend
on an article written from the Hanafi school of thought, while ignoring the
basic obligatory conditions of those sayings, which present reservations, is
false and also completely ignores all other schools of thought and the many
other righteous scholars. Furthermore, the Muslim population of Israel adheres
to the Shafia’ school of thought and not the Hanafi.



3. Regarding the claim that the official land registry does not recognize the
area as a cemetery, there is no one who disagrees that it is a cemetery and this
fact is raised by the initiators themselves on many occasions, including in
front of the Courts. The claim that the sanctity of the Cemetery has been
removed contradicts their own claims as well. Also, as they began the
excavations in the area, they found it full of graves and bones, also in
contradiction to their claims, and every person with a sound mind would realize
that it is an area filled with graves and that the excavations must cease
immediately.



4. Burial in the Mamilla cemetery continued until 1948 (see letters from the
Management of the Waqf from 4 November 1948 and 7 November 1948 which speak for
themselves).



5. Without going into the level of control and involvement of the British
Authorities during the Mandate period in the activities of the High Muslim
Council which even led to the dispersion of the Council by Government Order in
1937 and its replacement with a British Council, and furthermore the wishes of
the British to use the land of the cemetery for secular uses (see the letter of
the representative of Waqf of Jerusalem from 16 September 1947 regarding the
take over by British Army units of the area), it is very strange in our view,
even amazing, the attempt to base their claims on these document and as a
precedent for qualifying (making Kosher) an inhumane act such as damaging the
honor of the dead, and despite the fact that the one who wrote the opinion is
called “pro-Nazi and an ally of Hitlerâ€.



6. Even if we allow ourselves to assume that something happened which is immoral
had in fact occurred, we must ask if from an injustice any good can come? As it
is said: Two wrongs don’t make a right.



7. Regarding the Judgment of the Qadi of Yaffo in 1964 which is intended to be
the legal judgment of the Muslim Court, it seems that there is no choice but to
clarify the matter as follows:

a)     The procedure wass defective in that it stood completely against the
Sharia’ procedures and against the essential actions of the Waqf. The
procedure was begun by someone who had no right to Stand before the Court (the
Mayor) and who was not a trustee of the Waqf.

b)     No one was present at the procedure as a “side†to the case, not even
the one who petitioned or someone in his place. The petitioner was satisfied by
the petition alone, which is completely against the procedures of the Sharia’
Courts.

c)     The petition did not, nor did the decision relate to the interests of the
Waqf, which is essential and obligatory regarding any change in the status of
any property of the waqf.

d)     Even the basic assumption on which the conclusion of the above Qadi’s
decision was made regarding the “age†of the bones and that the remains had
begun ashes (dust) – only 16 years after the last burials in the place, it is
clear even today, 42 years later, as completely false. Now it is clear to all
that whole skeletons have been uncovered as was publicized and photographed in
the Haaretz newspaper. It should also be indicated that the representative of
the Antiquities Authority announced to the Interior Committee of the Knesset
that more than 200 graves have been dug up and the bones placed in boxes!

e)     The decision of the above Qadi (of Yaffo from 1964) that the graves have
been disintegrated by time was not based on anything real, and as appears in his
decision, he didn’t bother to check the area. Therefore, and for other reasons
which are too detailed to explain, it is clear that the former procedure is
completely null and void.

f)      It is especially sad to say that the former Qadi was convicted of
felonious acts of fraud against the public. The Tel Aviv District Court’s
sentence was upheld by the High Court (see judgment 822/64 and 22/66 of the High
Court).   It should be indicated that the felonies were committed at the same
time as his judgment regarding the cemetery.



8. The formal claim raised as if there were no objections to the licensing
process ignores the fact that following the establishment of the state of Israel
– and different from other religious communities in Israel, there was no
institution which could follow up (supervise) developments concerning the Waqf. 
The High Muslim Council was dispersed by law in 1961 and the institution of the
Mufti ceased to exist.  This situation, which was not caused by the Muslims
themselves, turns these claims into immoral ones.



9. Furthermore, it is shocking to our minds that Muslim dead which were buried
in their graves are only buried temporarily and that they should know that after
a number of years their graves will be boxed, why is this? Is it because they do
not deserve the same honor and respect as the rest of humanity?  Could this be?



We are also stunned  by the cheap claim that the revulsion from damaging graves
when dealing with Muslims is considered a political position and even an extreme
one. For us, the honor of the dead, all of the dead, is a Jewish, Christian and
Muslim value.  Therefore, we should all cooperate, in the name of these
preserving universal values. This is our belief regarding Muslim Cemeteries and
non-Muslim cemeteries as well. Therefore, we are right to expect that others
will relate to our dead as if their own, with one standard, just as the Jewish
and Christian faiths demand as well.



In conclusion, we hope that the initiators of the Tolerance Museum project will
understand that they cannot trample the emotions of millions of Muslims in
Israel and around the world and will decide by themselves on canceling the
project in this location.



With respect,



Qadi Ahmad Natour

President of the Sharia’ Appeals Court





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#17683 From: "Cushman,M" <m.cushman@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 2:40 pm
Subject: RE: Re: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.
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The alternative free listserv is a company called topica who have some
progressive groups using their service (see
http://lists.topica.com/dir/?cid=325) I know nothing about them or
whtehr they are any less or more ethical than Yahoo. In hteir favour is
that they are smaller and therefore can do less evil than Yahoo (or
Google).

Like Yahoo they make their money from the asds at the bottom of each
message, wheterh theitr ads are mor obtrusive than Yahoo's i don't know
- Yahoo's are singularly avoidable - which is a good reason for having
used them in the past.

Goolge groups are not an alternative, they on on-line discussion lists,
they do not send e-mails of all postings to all members as a llsitserv
does.

A lot hangs on Frank's view as he will have to do the work of porting
the list to the new service and what happens to our archive is an issue.

Mike

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On Behalf Of Yishay Mor
Sent: 01 March 2006 22:07
To: JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [JustPeaceUK] Re: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.


Google came clean, and announced that it would allow the Chinese
authorities
to censor google.cn, but it would note in the search results when
content
has been barred. It still offers uncensored google.com, but that is slow
in
China, and many of the links you click are cut off by the Chinese
government's firewalls.
Many Chinese know how to circumvent these barriers.
By the way, Cisco sells the firewalls to China - which puts it in the
same
league as Caterpillar, if you know what I mean.
Yahoo betrayed the trust of its clients, by submitting their private
information to an oppressive regime. That's worse that Cisco,
Caterpillar
and many others. Its almost comparable to IBM's dealings with the Nazis.

I use googlegroups and find it satisfactory. I'm sure there are other
options.


That may be, and shame on Google for doing so, but there is a
> qualitative difference between the censorship of online material and
> the active aiding of the brutal Chinese regime in the prosecution and
> probable torture of a journalist
>
> I know of course that the two are on the same scale, but what Yahoo
> have done in the pursuit of securing deals in the 'emerging market' of
> China ranks among the worst acts a corporation can do to improve the
> bottom line. You can almost hear the discussions in the boardroom,
> weighing up the costs of this mans life. In the final analysis, he
> simply wasn't worth the billions that Yahoo stand to lose
>
> I agree with Yishay- let's make like the C of E and 'divest' from
> Yahoo now. Anyone know of a suitable new host for our forum?
>
> Jonny
>
>
>
> --- In JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com, "Roland Rance" <lists@...> wrote:
> >
> > > In view of Yahoo's recent involvement in prosecution of
> > > political dissidents in China, I feel uncomfortable about
> > > using its services. I suggest we move this list to google or
> > > any other provider.
> >
> >
> > That's the same Google that censors its results in China, is it? Or
> do you
> > know a better one?
> >
> > Roland
> >
>
>
>
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#17684 From: "Roland Rance" <lists@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 2:45 pm
Subject: RE: Abraham Serfaty
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Abraham Serfaty is not only alive; he is now back in Morocco after a period
of exile, and officially appointed by the king as advisor to the director
general of the Moroccan oil company -- see
http://www.wsahara.net/2001/serfaty111101.html . When we were in Morocco
last summer, we saw several of his books openly on sale. I don't know
whether this means a genuine liberalisation by the Moroccan state, or a
recantation by Serfaty; I suspect that there are elements of both.

Incidentally, Charlie, and others involved in the European marches for jobs
and against job insecurity some ten years ago, may recall Serfaty's son,
Maurice, who was the official photographer and filmer of the campaign.

Roland

#17685 From: "Frank Fisher" <frankf@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: letter from Qadi Sheikh Natour regarding the Wiesenthal Center project in the Mamilla Cemetery
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Please note: the headings in the letter below are partly in Hebrew and Arabic
which will not be legible if your email reader does not support unicode.

Also for those of you reading my postings to the egroup on the website rather
than your inbox the timings will sometimes be wrong as I have an unresolved
problem with my computer clock and don't always remember to correct it before
posting.  The same applies if I post to you directly .

Frank
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   Subject: letter from Qadi Sheikh Natour regarding the Wiesenthal Center
project in the Mamilla Cemetery




   Dear friends,



   I just received the official response of the President of the Sharia’ High
Court of Appeals in Israel, the Qadi Sheikh Ahmad Natour regarding the
Wiesenthal Center project in the Muslim Cemetery of Mamilla.  As you will see
from reading his letter, the claims of the Wiesenthal Center, although written
in a very scholarly manner do not tell the whole story.  The following is the
letter from Sheikh Natour (in my translation from Hebrew):



   STATE OF ISRAEL

   SHARIA’ HIGH COURT OF APPEALS

   THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT



   بســـــم الله الرحمــــن الرحيــــــم

   מדינת ישר×ל

   محكمة الإستئنا٠الشرعية العليا

   القدس الشريÙ

   בית הדין השרעי העליון ×œ×¢×¨×¢×•×¨×™× The High Court of
Appeals

   לשכת ×”× ×©×™×                               ديــــــوان
الرئيـــــــــس                           President's Office



   (translated from Hebrew by Gershon Baskin)



   Dr. Gershon Baskin

   IPCRI

   Jerusalem



   Shalom,



   Re: Your request for information from 21 February regarding our opposition to
damaging the Muslim Cemetery in Mamilla



   You attached to your letter an opinion statement from the initiators of a
project called – in full irony – “Human Dignity – Museum of
Toleranceâ€, on the Muslim Cemetery of Mamilla.  Here is our response:



   1. Our religious-Sharia’ judgment according to the Sharia’ regarding the
sanctity of cemeteries is that this sanctity is eternal, and this is an
inseparable part of Muslim faith and belief. Accordingly, its sanctity has not
been suspended by the passing of time and its sanctity cannot be changed until
Judgment Day. Therefore, it is stated that there is an absolute prohibition on
digging up graves and this is according to the learned opinion of Sharia’
scholars without exception.  Accordingly, and for many years, Sharia judgments
(fatwas) issued by the Islamic Courts in Israel emphasize this point.
Additionally, a letter of judgment issued by all of the Qadis (Sharia’ Judges)
in Israel in 1994 states unequivocally that the sanctity of all cemeteries is
eternal until the end of time.



   2. Any attempt to present the issues as if the Sharia’ determines
differently is a false one that removes the issue from its proper context.
Trying to depend on an article written from the Hanafi school of thought, while
ignoring the basic obligatory conditions of those sayings, which present
reservations, is false and also completely ignores all other schools of thought
and the many other righteous scholars. Furthermore, the Muslim population of
Israel adheres to the Shafia’ school of thought and not the Hanafi.



   3. Regarding the claim that the official land registry does not recognize the
area as a cemetery, there is no one who disagrees that it is a cemetery and this
fact is raised by the initiators themselves on many occasions, including in
front of the Courts. The claim that the sanctity of the Cemetery has been
removed contradicts their own claims as well. Also, as they began the
excavations in the area, they found it full of graves and bones, also in
contradiction to their claims, and every person with a sound mind would realize
that it is an area filled with graves and that the excavations must cease
immediately.



   4. Burial in the Mamilla cemetery continued until 1948 (see letters from the
Management of the Waqf from 4 November 1948 and 7 November 1948 which speak for
themselves).



   5. Without going into the level of control and involvement of the British
Authorities during the Mandate period in the activities of the High Muslim
Council which even led to the dispersion of the Council by Government Order in
1937 and its replacement with a British Council, and furthermore the wishes of
the British to use the land of the cemetery for secular uses (see the letter of
the representative of Waqf of Jerusalem from 16 September 1947 regarding the
take over by British Army units of the area), it is very strange in our view,
even amazing, the attempt to base their claims on these document and as a
precedent for qualifying (making Kosher) an inhumane act such as damaging the
honor of the dead, and despite the fact that the one who wrote the opinion is
called “pro-Nazi and an ally of Hitlerâ€.



   6. Even if we allow ourselves to assume that something happened which is
immoral had in fact occurred, we must ask if from an injustice any good can
come? As it is said: Two wrongs don’t make a right.



   7. Regarding the Judgment of the Qadi of Yaffo in 1964 which is intended to be
the legal judgment of the Muslim Court, it seems that there is no choice but to
clarify the matter as follows:

   a)     The procedure wass defective in that it stood completely against the
Sharia’ procedures and against the essential actions of the Waqf. The
procedure was begun by someone who had no right to Stand before the Court (the
Mayor) and who was not a trustee of the Waqf.

   b)     No one was present at the procedure as a “side†to the case, not
even the one who petitioned or someone in his place. The petitioner was
satisfied by the petition alone, which is completely against the procedures of
the Sharia’ Courts.

   c)     The petition did not, nor did the decision relate to the interests of
the Waqf, which is essential and obligatory regarding any change in the status
of any property of the waqf.

   d)     Even the basic assumption on which the conclusion of the above Qadi’s
decision was made regarding the “age†of the bones and that the remains had
begun ashes (dust) – only 16 years after the last burials in the place, it is
clear even today, 42 years later, as completely false. Now it is clear to all
that whole skeletons have been uncovered as was publicized and photographed in
the Haaretz newspaper. It should also be indicated that the representative of
the Antiquities Authority announced to the Interior Committee of the Knesset
that more than 200 graves have been dug up and the bones placed in boxes!

   e)     The decision of the above Qadi (of Yaffo from 1964) that the graves
have been disintegrated by time was not based on anything real, and as appears
in his decision, he didn’t bother to check the area. Therefore, and for other
reasons which are too detailed to explain, it is clear that the former procedure
is completely null and void.

   f)      It is especially sad to say that the former Qadi was convicted of
felonious acts of fraud against the public. The Tel Aviv District Court’s
sentence was upheld by the High Court (see judgment 822/64 and 22/66 of the High
Court).   It should be indicated that the felonies were committed at the same
time as his judgment regarding the cemetery.



   8. The formal claim raised as if there were no objections to the licensing
process ignores the fact that following the establishment of the state of Israel
– and different from other religious communities in Israel, there was no
institution which could follow up (supervise) developments concerning the Waqf. 
The High Muslim Council was dispersed by law in 1961 and the institution of the
Mufti ceased to exist.  This situation, which was not caused by the Muslims
themselves, turns these claims into immoral ones.



   9. Furthermore, it is shocking to our minds that Muslim dead which were buried
in their graves are only buried temporarily and that they should know that after
a number of years their graves will be boxed, why is this? Is it because they do
not deserve the same honor and respect as the rest of humanity?  Could this be?



   We are also stunned  by the cheap claim that the revulsion from damaging
graves when dealing with Muslims is considered a political position and even an
extreme one. For us, the honor of the dead, all of the dead, is a Jewish,
Christian and Muslim value.  Therefore, we should all cooperate, in the name of
these preserving universal values. This is our belief regarding Muslim
Cemeteries and non-Muslim cemeteries as well. Therefore, we are right to expect
that others will relate to our dead as if their own, with one standard, just as
the Jewish and Christian faiths demand as well.



   In conclusion, we hope that the initiators of the Tolerance Museum project
will understand that they cannot trample the emotions of millions of Muslims in
Israel and around the world and will decide by themselves on canceling the
project in this location.



   With respect,



   Qadi Ahmad Natour

   President of the Sharia’ Appeals Court





   Gershon Baskin, Ph.D.
   Co-CEO, IPCRI
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Palestinians under occupation - yes it is occupation, you might not like the
word, but what is happening is occupation - is bad for Israel, and bad for the
Palestinians, and bad for the Israeli economy. Controlling 3.5 million
Palestinians cannot go on forever. You want to remain in Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah
and Bethlehem?"

   Ariel Sharon, May 26, 2003



   “Democracy depends not just on elections but on a rule of law, on stable
institutions, on basic economic security for the population, and on checks and
balances that forestall a tyranny of the majority.â€

             Juan Cole



   The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the
border?

   Pablo Casals



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   Abraham Lincoln



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Then he becomes your partner.

   Nelson Mandela





  
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#17686 From: "Roland Rance" <lists@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 3:02 pm
Subject: RE: Re: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.
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Another free and radical service is Rise Up at http://lists.riseup.net/www/
. It's used by several campaigns, including Iraq Occupation Focus. In my
experience, neither Rise Up nor Topica is as flexible and easy to use as
Yahoo, particularly for non-experts. Yahoo also offers many more features.
So, notwithstanding Yishay's strong principled argument against Yahoo, I
would recommend remaining here. I don't see that switching will actually
penaliose Yahoo, but it will cause us needless difficulties and
restrictions.

Roland


> The alternative free listserv is a company called topica who
> have some progressive groups using their service (see
> http://lists.topica.com/dir/?cid=325) I

#17687 From: "Frank Fisher" <frankf@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: Re: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.
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Mike wrote:  'A lot hangs on Frank's view as he will have to do the work of
porting the list to the new service and what happens to our archive is an
issue.'

Actually Ron Cohen is the designated 'owner' of the site on behalf of Just Peace
UK and does much of the admin work. I certainly wouldn't be able to set up a new
site without his help.  Moreover, I am of the opinion that we could get on a
merry-go-round of chaging whenever a problem arises with a supplier and should
not consider leaving Yahoo unless there is an effective orchestrated plan for
mass exit which is likely to influence Yahoo's policy.  A more effective way of
exerting pressure might be corporate and individual disinvestment - an idea that
will not be entirely unfamiliar to most of you.

Frank




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   Subject: RE: [JustPeaceUK] Re: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.


   The alternative free listserv is a company called topica who have some
   progressive groups using their service (see
   http://lists.topica.com/dir/?cid=325) I know nothing about them or
   whtehr they are any less or more ethical than Yahoo. In hteir favour is
   that they are smaller and therefore can do less evil than Yahoo (or
   Google).

   Like Yahoo they make their money from the asds at the bottom of each
   message, wheterh theitr ads are mor obtrusive than Yahoo's i don't know
   - Yahoo's are singularly avoidable - which is a good reason for having
   used them in the past.

   Goolge groups are not an alternative, they on on-line discussion lists,
   they do not send e-mails of all postings to all members as a llsitserv
   does.

   A lot hangs on Frank's view as he will have to do the work of porting
   the list to the new service and what happens to our archive is an issue.

   Mike

   -----Original Message-----
   From: JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com]
   On Behalf Of Yishay Mor
   Sent: 01 March 2006 22:07
   To: JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [JustPeaceUK] Re: BooHoo! Yahoo done wrong. Yahoo must pay.


   Google came clean, and announced that it would allow the Chinese
   authorities
   to censor google.cn, but it would note in the search results when
   content
   has been barred. It still offers uncensored google.com, but that is slow
   in
   China, and many of the links you click are cut off by the Chinese
   government's firewalls.
   Many Chinese know how to circumvent these barriers.
   By the way, Cisco sells the firewalls to China - which puts it in the
   same
   league as Caterpillar, if you know what I mean.
   Yahoo betrayed the trust of its clients, by submitting their private
   information to an oppressive regime. That's worse that Cisco,
   Caterpillar
   and many others. Its almost comparable to IBM's dealings with the Nazis.

   I use googlegroups and find it satisfactory. I'm sure there are other
   options.


   That may be, and shame on Google for doing so, but there is a
   > qualitative difference between the censorship of online material and
   > the active aiding of the brutal Chinese regime in the prosecution and
   > probable torture of a journalist
   >
   > I know of course that the two are on the same scale, but what Yahoo
   > have done in the pursuit of securing deals in the 'emerging market' of
   > China ranks among the worst acts a corporation can do to improve the
   > bottom line. You can almost hear the discussions in the boardroom,
   > weighing up the costs of this mans life. In the final analysis, he
   > simply wasn't worth the billions that Yahoo stand to lose
   >
   > I agree with Yishay- let's make like the C of E and 'divest' from
   > Yahoo now. Anyone know of a suitable new host for our forum?
   >
   > Jonny
   >
   >
   >
   > --- In JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com, "Roland Rance" <lists@...> wrote:
   > >
   > > > In view of Yahoo's recent involvement in prosecution of
   > > > political dissidents in China, I feel uncomfortable about
   > > > using its services. I suggest we move this list to google or
   > > > any other provider.
   > >
   > >
   > > That's the same Google that censors its results in China, is it? Or
   > do you
   > > know a better one?
   > >
   > > Roland
   > >
   >
   >
   >
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#17688 From: Abe Hayeem <abe.hayeem@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 3:13 pm
Subject: "Son of Guantanamo"
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It's amazing that Israel's horrific prison and torture regime, and thousands
under administrative detention, have managed to escape the headlines. This
includes students, women and children. How about someone doing an expose.
Abe


FOCUS | William Fisher: Son of Gitmo
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030206Z.shtml
Legal, diplomatic, religious and human rights authorities are struggling to
be heard on what many consider to be the "Son of Guantanamo" - a secret
prison in Afghanistan where the US military is said to have been holding
some 500 "enemy combatants" for as long as three or four years without
access to lawyers.

#17689 From: Abe Hayeem <abe.hayeem@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 4:04 pm
Subject: Mofaz orders Karni-Gaza crossing closed pending re-evaluation
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"It is not our policy to punish the Palestinians, not at all," Foreign
Minister Tzipi Livni told a press conference in Vienna.

Fine words - double speak in action. While Israel and the Diaspora are
furious even at the slightest hint of consumer action - Israel is ready at
the drop of a hat, to apply the most brutal sanctions and siege on the
Palestinians in Gaza, surrounded by a ring of steel, or withholding
the customs money collected at the crossings, amounting to £117 million,
which PAs money, desperately needed for survival of the imprisoned state.
The US is calling for even further sanctions to be applied on teh Hamas led
government, even though Hamas has held to a ceasefire for a year, and has
not even started in government.
The Anti-Defamation League in the US, is also furious at the US allowing the
United Arab Emirates to takeover the running of six US ports, since Dubai
still operates a boycott against Israel. It's a wonder the Anti-boycott laws
were not applied in this case!

Abe

  Last update - 16:51 02/03/2006
Mofaz orders Karni crossing closed pending re-evaluation
By Reuters and Haaretz Service

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz ordered Thursday for the Karni crossing to
remain closed pending a re-evaluation of the situation on Saturday night.
Mofaz had decided to keep the Karni crossing closed on Thursday, despite
earlier promises to open it indefinitely to humanitarian aid for Palestinian
residents, Israel Radio reported.
Senior defense officials were to meet on Thursday to discuss plans to open
the crossing in light of terror warnings originating from the Gaza Strip.
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The IDF had been expected to reopen the commercial terminal following
mounting international pressure warning that food supplies in the Strip were
dwindling and likely to run out.
"We had already informed the merchants that Karni would open," said Salim
Abu Safiyeh, director-general of the Palestinian Border Authority. "The
continued closure is causing humanitarian and economic harm to the
Palestinian people, and threatening a real shortage in food supplies."
The news Wednesday that Karni would open prompted Palestinian farmers to
cancel plans to dump hundreds of tons of produce that has nearly spoiled
while it waited at the crossing to be exported to Israel and Europe.
Israel closed the crossing for 21 days between January 15 and February 5. It
was closed again on February 21 after a mysterious explosion in the area and
has remained closed because of "continued security alerts," an IDF
spokeswoman said.
But stocks of wheat, sugar and cooking oil are dwindling in Gaza and could
begin to run out within two or three days unless Israel reopens the strip's
main crossing point for goods, United Nations officials said on Wednesday.
David Shearer, head of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian
Affairs, said humanitarian conditions had deteriorated since the January 25
Palestinian election, which the Islamist militant group Hamas won by a
landslide.
The UN attributed the growing problems to Israel's closure of the Karni
crossing and other security measures. "This is getting to precarious
levels," Shearer told Reuters.
Sugar prices have risen by more than 25 percent because of Israel's frequent
closure of the crossing point, Shearer said.
Supplies of wheat flour to make bread, Gaza's main staple, will begin to run
out in as little as four days unless truckloads of wheat are let in, Shearer
said.
Israeli officials have defended their closure of Karni as a security
precaution against possible Palestinian attacks and said they offered to
reroute supplies to Gaza through another crossing, an offer the Palestinians
declined.
But as international pressure mounted on Wednesday, Israel signalled that
Karni would reopen as early as Thursday.
Israel ended its 38-year presence in the Gaza Strip last year, but retains
control of all access points for bringing goods in and out of the territory,
citing security concerns.
Shortages in Gaza have become so acute that aid programs are starting to be
affected, said Arnold Vercken, the Gaza and West Bank representative for the
World Food Program, which delivers wheat flour to 146,000 out of some 1.3
million Gazans.
"For the time being, we are on hold," Vercken said.
Vercken said even though the daily flow of basic commodities into Gaza had
stopped, "we're not talking famine" as many Gaza households have private
stocks of wheat flour that could last a month or longer. But with dwindling
supplies and prices on the rise, poorer Gazans will be hardest hit, he said.
Vercken said wheat mills in Gaza normally try to keep on hand between 26,000
and 30,000 tons of wheat - two months' supply - but are now down to their
last 1,200 ton of wheat.
Palestinians depend on foreign aid totalling more than $1 billion a year. It
is unclear how much of that money would be withheld by international donors
once Hamas, whose charter calls for Israel's destruction, forms a
government.
Since Israeli-Palestinian violence erupted in 2000, Hamas has masterminded
at least 60 suicide bombings against Israelis. But it has largely abided by
a truce declared last year.
Israel has halted tax revenue transfers to the Palestinian Authority and has
asked donor nations to freeze all but humanitarian aid to pressure Hamas,
which will form the next government, to renounce violence, recognize Israel,
and abide by interim peace deals.
"It is not our policy to punish the Palestinians, not at all," Foreign
Minister Tzipi Livni told a press conference in Vienna.


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#17690 From: Ron Cohen <rony@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 1:30 am
Subject: when white shit meets a jewish drek
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LETTER FROM HERNDON, VA.
White Nationalist Conference Ponders Whether Jews and Nazis Can Get Along
By JONATHAN TILOVE
March 3, 2006

For the small, hardy band of right-wing Jews who attended this past weekend's
American
Renaissance Conference, the biennial gathering of white nationalists ended on a
sour note.

The events Saturday, February 25, passed without major incident. But then, late
Sunday
morning, none other than former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke approached the
microphone
on the floor during the question-and-answer session for French writer Guillaume
Faye.
After congratulating Faye for stirring remarks that "touched my genes," Duke
asked if
there weren't an even more insidious threat to the West than Islam.

"There is a power in the world that dominates our media, influences our
government and
that has led to the internal destruction of our will and our spirit," Duke said.

"Tell us, tell us," came a call from the back of the room.

"I'm not going to say it," Duke said to rising laughter.

But Michael Hart, a squat, balding Jewish astrophysicist from Maryland, was not
amused. He
rose from his seat, strode toward Duke (who loomed over him like an Aryan
giant), spit out
a curse — "You f...ing Nazi, you've disgraced this meeting" — and exited.

As it happens, only a few minutes earlier Hart, a mainstay of American
Renaissance
conferences, had been trying to reassure Herschel Elias, a first-time attendee
from
suburban Philadelphia, that he should not let his observation that the meeting
was
"infiltrated by Nazis and Holocaust deniers" ruin his impression of American
Renaissance.

"The speakers aren't Nazis," Hart assured him. "Jared isn't a Nazi."

Jared is Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance magazine. He founded the
publication
1990, and since 1994 he had sponsored the biennial conference that bears its
name. A
former liberal, Taylor is glib, gracious and genial, capable of putting his
white
nationalism in the most benign and commonsense terms.

"We mean well to all people," he said in his address at this year's conference,
"but our
own people come first."

The conference has attracted ever larger crowds, with this year's event drawing
about 300
people — all white (no more than 5% Jewish) and most of them male. The attendees
are
united by a common belief in black intellectual inferiority, opposition to
non-white
immigration and ardor for maintaining America's white majority. By the end of
this seventh
biennial conference, however, the delicate state of his coalition seemed
apparent.

Hart, who spoke at the 1996 conference about his plan for a racial partition of
the United
States, said that Taylor now had to face the fact that he must purge the Nazis
or lose the
Jews. "He can't expect Jews to come if there are Nazis here,'' Hart said.

And therein lies Taylor's dilemma.

From the start, he has been trying to de-Nazify the movement and draw the white
nationalist circle wider to include Jews of European descent. But to many on the
far
right, taking the Jew-hatred out of white nationalism is like taking the Christ
out of
Christmas — a sacrilege. Actually inviting Jews into the movement is an act of
lunacy, or
betrayal, to them.

Still, just before dinner Saturday, Taylor sounded resolute.

"Ultimately, for all the things I care about to happen, Jews must be part of the
movement," he said in an interview. The reason, he added, is that Jews have
influence and
are widely seen as "the conscience of our society."

For example, Taylor said, without Jewish support it will be nearly impossible to
restrict
immigration. Besides, the conference organizer said, as far as he is concerned,
a white
Jew is white.

In its dossier on Taylor, the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Review
speculates
that his conspicuous lack of antisemitism "may be related to his wife, who some
in the
movement have said is Jewish." The Atlanta-based organization, which monitors
hate groups,
has described Taylor as "the race hater."

"What kind of 'intelligence' is that?" Taylor asked. He said that his wife,
Evelyn Rich,
is not Jewish.

According to the Intelligence Review: "Evelyn Rich became well known because of
her 1985
and 1986 interviews of Duke, conducted as part of her dissertation research...
[which]
were used by anti-Duke forces to make radio ads attacking Duke during his run
for
Louisiana governor in 1991." This may help explain the wary relationship between
Duke and
Taylor, opposites in many ways.

In May 2003, American Renaissance published a piece by Michael Berman about his
racial
awakening, headlined "I Was a Red-diaper Baby."

Son of a card-carrying Communist, Berman marched on Washington with Martin
Luther King Jr.
But, he wrote, that was before two of his sisters were raped by black men and
before he
served eight years as the dean of boys at Brooklyn's George W. Wingate High
School, where
"we averaged five arrests a day." These days he attends American Renaissance
conferences,
and this year he brought a likeminded former teaching colleague to serve as his
shabbos goy.

"It has not been easy for me as a New York Jew, embracing the views that I do. I
am
regarded as a pariah," Berman wrote in his 2003 essay.

Four of the 10 speakers were Jewish at the first conference in 1994 in Atlanta,
including
New York writer Lawrence Auster and City College philosophy professor Michael
Levin. The
after-dinner speaker that year was Rabbi Mayer Schiller, a teacher at Yeshiva
University
High School for Boys who believes in racial separatism. Schiller brought a cadre
of
yeshiva students with him. Kosher dinners were provided.

At the 2000 conference in Herndon, Robert Weissberg — a political scientist who
then
worked at the University of Illinois — delivered a speech titled "Jews and
Blacks:
Everything the Goyim Want To Know but Were Afraid To Ask." His thesis was that
although
Jews and blacks loathe one another, Jews remain frightened of the white right.

Weissberg delivered his remarks with his trademark blend of erudition,
Yiddishisms and
Borscht Belt timing. He was not a big hit. Taylor heard the complaints: "Now the
Jews want
to take over this, too."

Weissberg, who is living in New York once again, keeps coming to the
conferences. He
enjoys the open talk about race, perhaps also the whiff of intellectual danger.
At the
Saturday morning session, the man sitting next to him doodled on his pad: "No
good Jew."

Despite such sentiments, Taylor is not the only one looking to include Jews.

Gordon Baum, the amiable, chain-smoking CEO of the Council of Conservative
Citizens, said
that his organization has good Jewish members, including a member of the board
from St.
Louis. "We're in Mensa together," Baum said. He also said that obsessing over
Jews
"sidetracks you from the real issue."

But Louis Calabro, a retired San Francisco police officer who heads the
European/American
Issues Forum in the Bay Area, said his sense is that most of those at the
conference
consider Jews a problem. He revealed that, in his own experience, any time he
does
anything to rally white European American pride, those who object are almost
invariably Jews.

There is also the question of whether any subordination of antisemitism is
merely strategic.

Nick Griffin has been credited with trying to root out antisemitism from the
British
National Party, which he leads. But in answer to a question at the recent
conference, he
said: "The proper enemy to any political movement isn't necessarily the most
evil and the
worst. The proper enemy is the one we can most easily defeat.''

Faye, the French writer, offered a similar response to Duke's not-so-veiled
reference to Jews.

"The danger of the Jews is not the same as danger of the Arabs,'' he said. He
continued:
"The Jew is" — and here he had to have Taylor interpret a French expression —
"the hole in
the dike."

"The water is immigration," he continued. "We must fight on two fronts, but not
by the
same means. We must be very acute in our strategy. The best thing is to not
speak about
the Jews. They don't exist. For me, they are like Eskimos."

Not everyone at last weekend's meeting could stay cool on the Jewish question.
Before Faye
spoke, Michael Matthews, an attendee from New Jersey, passed Michael Berman in
the hotel
foyer.

"Are you a Jew?" Matthews demanded. "I don't think you should be here."

Berman was hurt.

"You see, there's no home for me,'' he sighed after Matthews had left. "I'm like
a black
sheep here and everywhere I go."

#17691 From: "deborah_fink" <debopera.fink@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 1:42 am
Subject: Re: My Name Is Rachel Corrie, back inLondon after being censored in the US
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Not surprised. Munger had trouble getting the cantata about
Rachel performed in the US, which is why I put it on in
London...Waiting to see if Guardian published my letter.

- In JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com, Izzat Darwazeh
<izzatdarwazeh@...> wrote:
>
> So much for freedom of expression.  Amazing!!
>
> from
>
> http://arts.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1720592,00.html
>
> Izzat
>
> Surely Americans will not put up with this censorship
>
> The decision by a New York theatre to cave in to
> pressure over our play shows how the scope for free
> debate has narrowed
>
> Katharine Viner
> Wednesday March 1, 2006
> The Guardian
>
> The flights for cast and crew had been booked; the
> production schedule delivered; the press announcement
> drafted and approved; tickets advertised on the
> internet. The Royal Court production of My Name Is
> Rachel Corrie, the play I co-edited with Alan Rickman,
> was transferring next month to the New York Theatre
> Workshop, home of the groundbreaking musical Rent,
> following two sellout runs in London and several
> awards.
>
> We always thought that it was a piece of work that
> needed to be seen in the US. Created from the journals
> and emails of American activist Rachel Corrie, telling
> of her journey from her adolescent life in Seattle,
> Washington, to her death under a bulldozer in Gaza at
> the age of 23, we considered it, in a sense, to be an
> American story, which would have a particular
> relevance for audiences in Rachel's home country.
> After all, she had made her journey to the Middle East
> in order "to meet the people who are on the receiving
> end of our [American] tax dollars", and she was a
> killed by a US-made bulldozer.
>
> But last week the New York Theatre Workshop cancelled
> the production - or, in their words, "postponed it
> indefinitely". The political climate, we were told,
> had changed dramatically since the play was booked. As
> James Nicola, the theatre's artistic director, said
> yesterday: "In our pre-production planning and our
> talking around and listening in our communities in New
> York, what we heard was that after Ariel Sharon's
> illness and the election of Hamas in the recent
> Palestinian elections, we had a very edgy situation."
> Rachel was to be censored for political reasons.
>
> It makes you wonder. If a young, middle-class,
> scrupulously fair-minded, and dead, American woman,
> whose superb writing about her job as a mental health
> worker, ex-boyfriends, troublesome parents, struggle
> to find out who she wanted to be, and how she found
> that by travelling to Gaza and discovering the
> shocking conditions under which the Palestinians live
> - if a voice like this cannot be heard on a New York
> stage, what hope is there for anyone else? The
> non-American, the non-white, the non-dead, the
> oppressed?
>
> Anyone who sees the play, or reads it, realises that
> this is no piece of alienating agitprop. One night in
> London, a group of American students came to a
> performance and mobbed us afterwards, thrilled that
> they had seen themselves on stage, and who they might,
> in a different life, have become. Another night, an
> Israeli couple, members of the rightwing Likud party,
> on holiday in Britain, were similarly impressed. "The
> play wasn't against Israel, it was against violence,"
> they told Cindy Corrie, Rachel's mother. I was
> particularly touched by a young Jewish New Yorker,
> from an Orthodox family, who said that he had been
> nervous about coming to see My Name Is Rachel Corrie,
> because he had been told that both she and it were
> viciously anti-Israel. But he had been powerfully
> moved by Rachel's words and realised that he had, to
> his alarm, been dangerously misled.
>
> But the director of the New York theatre told the New
> York Times yesterday that it wasn't the people who
> actually saw the play he was concerned about. "I don't
> think we were worried about the audience," he said. "I
> think we were more worried that those who had never
> encountered her writing, never encountered the piece,
> would be using this as an opportunity to position
> their arguments." Since when did theatre come to be
> about those who don't go to see it? If the play
> itself, as Mr Nicola clearly concedes, is not the
> problem, then isn't the answer to get people in to
> watch it, rather than exercising prior censorship?
> With freedom of speech now at the top of the
> international agenda, and George Clooney's outstanding
> Good Night, and Good Luck reminding us of the dangers
> of not standing up to witch-hunts, Americans should
> not be denied the right to hear Rachel Corrie's words
> - words that only two weeks ago were deemed
> acceptable.
>
> I'd heard from American friends that life for
> dissenters had been getting worse - wiretapping
> scandals, arrests for wearing anti-war T-shirts,
> Muslim professors denied visas. But it's hard to tell
> from afar how bad things really are. Here was personal
> proof that the political climate is continuing to
> shift disturbingly, narrowing the scope of free debate
> and artistic expression. What was acceptable a matter
> of weeks ago is not acceptable now. The New York
> theatre's claim that the arrangement was tentative is
> absurd: the truth is that its management has caved in
> to political pressure, and the reputation of the arts
> in New York is the poorer for it.
>
> It is surely underestimating the curiosity and
> robustness of the American public, many of whom would
> no doubt be interested in an insight into the reality
> of occupation that led to the Hamas victory. Artistic
> communities need to resist the censorship of voices
> that go against the grain of George Bush's America,
> rather than following the Fox News agenda and gagging
> them before they have even been heard.
>
> · My Name Is Rachel Corrie will now be shown at the
> Playhouse theatre in London's West End from March 28;
> booking number 0870 060 6631
>
> k.viner@...
>
>
>
>
>
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#17692 From: Deborah Fink <debopera.fink@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 2:13 am
Subject: E.S. pub.my anti-BoDs letter - well, third of it!
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Today was a good day for BoD bashing, what with Michael Halpern's letter in
the Guardian! And some of you know that on Tuesday, I made similar points at
Ken's Question Time at the Hackney Empire. Slight error, in that the BoDs
are elected, but not by non synagogue goes, and no one elects the paid
spokesman.

Debbie

As a Jew, I would like to publicly denounce the Board of Deputies of British
Jews for making this complaint. We did not elect them and they do not speak
for many of us. By claiming to, especially when they cry wolf with false
accusations of anti-Semitism, they increase the chance of ill feeling
towards Jews.

Deborah Fink,

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#17693 From: "diana" <D.Neslen@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 6:31 am
Subject: Fw: Spannos / An Experiment in Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Arab Racism / Mar 03
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> An Experiment in Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Arab Racism March 03, 2006
> By Chris Spannos
>
> Imagine if an Arab spiritual leader referred to Jews as "foul", a
> "disease" or as a "devil". What if he called them "asses" and asked "why
> did God not create them walking on their fours?" In reply to his own
> rhetorical question, the imaginary Arab spiritual leader then coolly
> replies, "The answer is that they need to build and wash." You would be
> right to be angry and disgusted by such vile racism. And you would be
> right to wonder what institutional and cultural influences help create,
> perpetuate and sustain such anti-Semitic garbage.
>
> But would you feel and think the same way if it was a Jewish spiritual
> leader targeting Arabs with this hateful, racist nonsense? We certainly
> hear, see and read both genuine and exaggerated claims of anti-Semitism
> almost daily in radio, T.V. and newspaper reports. But we don't see
> balanced attention given to anti-Arab racism. If we had the resources to
> conduct a methodical and systematic study documenting the discrepancy
> between media coverage of anti-Semitism and media coverage of anti-Arab
> racism I'm willing to bet that we'd find conclusive evidence of a profound
> neglect. And the source of this neglect can be found in the hesitation and
> fear of criticizing the state of Israel's policies and illegal occupation;
> the fear of being called an anti-Semite. Since all Jews do not identify
> with the state of Israel, or Zionism, despite Zionism's claim to act on
> behalf of all Jews, the accusation of anti-Semitism is of course nonsense.
>
> I opened this commentary with "Imagine if an Arab spiritual leader...".
> There is in fact no real person as such. However, all the insults and
> vitriol spewed in this hypothetical anti-Semitism are the real words of a
> Jewish spiritual leader, Rabbi David Bazri, directed at Palestinians. His
> racist attack comes in the wake of a very sane, reasonable and necessary
> proposal for the establishment of a mixed Arab-Jewish school in Pat,
> Jerusalem.
>
> Now it is true that anti-Semitism exists in the Arab World, just as
> anti-Arab racism exits among Jews. But not all Arabs are anti-Semites,
> just as not all Jews are racist. But it is not true, as the well
> documented daily humiliations of occupied Palestinian lives testify, that
> these forms of racism are given equal attention and consequently have
> equal outcomes. If the particular hypothetical anti-Semitism used here
> were a real incident, you can be sure it would receive wide spread media
> and political attention, used to justify Israel's illegal occupation -
> more rational to reign collective punishment down upon the Palestinians.
>
> But the opposite is true; a particularly nasty anti-Arab racism was
> expressed. Will we see newspaper, T.V. or radio reports covering these
> extremely hysteric remarks? Why not? Do we even care? Can we even begin to
> ask what institutional and cultural influences help create, perpetuate and
> sustain such anti-Arab garbage? Would equal attention and examination of
> these issues illuminate the failings of a flawed ideology - Zionism, or
> the brutalities of Israel's occupation? In contrast to the hypothetical
> anti-Semitism above, the response to real anti-Arab racism directed at
> Palestinians from a Jewish spiritual leader is a vacuum of silence from
> our political leaders and dominant media institutions.
>
> Walla!News (Haaretz) reported on Jan. 10, in a news item appearing only in
> Hebrew (see here for an unofficial English translation), that "Today the
> school is running in a temporary building and is looking for a
> permanentresidence in the Pat neighborhood of Jerusalem. The municipality
> assigned a territory for the school but because of repeating appeals to
> court the process isdelayed. Today [Jan 10.] the matter is scheduled for a
> debate in the High Court."
>
> A Rabbi named Yehuda Der'i also participated in the conference against the
> school and said that "this is a thing that the Jewish mind, logic and soul
> cannot tolerate. We have to go from house to house and raise supporters in
> the neighborhood to prevent this horrid punishment."
>
> More vacuous comments, and the news item quoted here is actually worse
> than I've let on...
>
> Here are Rabbi David Bazri's words, in full, which I quoted above for the
> hypothetical anti-Semitism, "The establishment of such a school is a foul,
> disgraceful deed. You can't mix pure and foul. They are a disease, a
> disaster, a devil. The Arabs are asses, and the question must be asked,
> why did God not create them walking on their fours? The answer is that
> they need to build and wash. They have no place in our school".
>
> This gross racist assault against a proposed school provides one window
> peering into the daily humiliations that Palestinians suffer in Israel. It
> is the foundation for the belief that there are "pure" and "foul" races,
> ethnic groups and cultures; and in the particular case of Israel, that
> there can be a "pure" "Jewish State". It enables the existence of second
> class citizenship for Palestinians in Israel, identification cards for
> Palestinians, checkpoints for Palestinians, systematic house demolitions
> for Palestinians, extra judicial executions and assassinations for
> Palestinians, an Apartheid Wall for Palestinians, a brutal military
> occupation which has practiced ethnic cleansing and denied Palestinians
> their Right of Return. It is a backward and insipid thinking that belongs
> to the Stone Age.
>
> Sadly, anti-Arab racism is not confined to Israel alone. The US and Canada
> are both engaged in the illegal detention, deportation and torture of
> Arabs. As Noam Chomsky has noted "Anti-Arab racism in the US has long been
> extreme, the last "legitimate" form of racism in that one doesn't even
> have to pretend to conceal it. That's long before 9-11, and a deep problem
> in the society, which can't be ignored, any more than other forms of
> racism can." But that will have to be the topic of another commentary.
>
> Chris Spannos is an anti-war activist, anti-capitalist, ZNet volunteer and
> member of the Vancouver Participatory Economics Collective. His email
> address is: spannos at gmail dot com He blogs for ZNet at
> http://blog.zmag.org
>

#17694 From: <m.cushman@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 12:46 pm
Subject: FW: Action Plan for 18 March Demonstration
mikecushman
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 01 March 2006 12:26
To: stwc-groups@...
Subject: Action Plan for 18 March Demonstration

ACTION PLAN FOR 18 MARCH DEMONSTRATION

On 28 February 2006, the day that two more British soldiers were killed
in Iraq, 18 bereaved families wrote on open letter to Tony Blair, one of
the two prime architects of the illegal war which killed their loved
ones. The letter fills the front page of The Independent newspaper:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article348412.ece

The families have no doubt about their own view as to what should happen
now:

"Too many lives have been lost in the war, soldiers and Iraqis, and
still there is no end in sight. We feel passionately that it is time to
bring our troops home. We will be supporting the Troops Out
demonstration on 18 March."

Every local Stop the War Group and peace activist should now do all they
can to ensure that on March 18 the bereaved families will be surrounded
by a massive demonstration, drawing people from every corner of the
country and representing the opinion of the vast majority of British
people that this war must end now.

No one should be able to say on March 19 that they were not on the
demonstration because they did not know about it. Here's what we can do
to make sure everone who opposes the war knows where they should be on
Saturday 18 March:

STREET STALLS, MASS LEAFLETING OF TUBE/TRAIN STATIONS,
We need to use street stalls to get the message and mass leafleting at
tube/train stations. Leaflets available from the national office. Order
yours now.

WORK PLACES
Trade union support for the demonstration is growing. The National Union
of Teachers has agreed to send its banner for the first time. Every
local STW group should leaflet the large workplaces in their area.

LEAFLET MOSQUES
We are getting a particularly good response when we leaflet mosques,
following the racist atmosphere that was generated by the controversy
over the cartoons printed in a Danish newspaper. Defend the Muslim
Community is now one of the slogans for the demonstration on 18 March,
along with Bring the Troops Home and Don't Attack Iran.

STUNTS, RALLIES, LOCAL MEDIA
Every Stop the War group should get in touch with local newspapers,
radio and TV to publicise stunts and public rallies. Ideas groups are
already using are anti-war cavalcades, "die-ins" in the street to
publicise the planned attack on Iran, pickets of army recruitment
centres, naming the dead ceremonies. Invite local anti-war MPs,
dignitaries and celebrities.

POSTERS
Get posters up publicising the demo everywhere you can. Many groups have
been surprised by how willing local shops serving their communities are
when asked if they will display a poster. Get posters up in community
and cultural centres etc.

Please send in details of all activities in your area so we can post
them on the Stop the War website.

ORDER LEAFLETS, POSTERS, STICKERS, ETC FROM
Stop the War Coalition
National Office
Telephone 020 7278 6694
Email office@...

---------------------------------------
GLOBAL PROTEST: MORE CITIES JOIN EVERY DAY
We will be joined on 18 March by demonstrations right across the world,
with 117 cities and towns having announced they will hold protests and
more joining every day. The global nature of our demonstration is
featured prominently on our latest leaflet publicising the 18 March
demonstration, as is the fact that for the first time cities in Iraq
have called mass demonstrations demanding that all foreign troops leave
their country. In encouraging people to join the London demonstration,
stress the international dimension and that we will be joining the Iraqi
people marching on the same day. Watch the number of towns and cities
grow on the website which has been set up particularly to support the
global protest.
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/march20/events.asp

#17695 From: "Joe Kane" <al_ciaduh@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Spannos / An Experiment in Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Arab Racism / Mar 03
al_ciaduh
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Thanks for that Diana,
ZNet's one of my fave websites -

- just to say that I am a subscriber to the email newsletter service
of the American based 'Middle East Forum' -

- and here is their latest offering for Winter 2006

- http://www.meforum.org/article/915

- a gamut of book reviews that will have you in stitches - but,
gentle reader, try a little thought experiment while you are drying
the tears from your eyes - replace the words 'Islam' or 'Muslim',
whenever you come across them (which is very often indeed), with the
words 'Jews' and 'Judaism' and you will find yourself instantly
transported back in time to 1930s Germany -

And anyway, who said caring for others isn't fun - go crazy,
subscribe to the Middle East Forum email newsletter, written in the
US (and not the Middle East as the title tries to imply) and have
yourself a mad laugh

Always yours in love and war
from a Winter Wonderland
joe

--- In JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com, "diana" <D.Neslen@...> wrote:
>
> A necessary corrective
> ----- Original Message ----- >
> > --> Sustainer Forums Login:
> > https://www.zmag.org/sustainers/forums
> >
> > Today's commentary:
> > http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2006-03/02spannos.cfm
> >
> > ==================================
> >
> > ZNet Commentary
> > An Experiment in Anti-Semitism vs. Anti-Arab Racism March 03, 2006
> > By Chris Spannos
> >
> > Imagine if an Arab spiritual leader referred to Jews as "foul", a
> > "disease" or as a "devil". What if he called them "asses" and
asked "why
> > did God not create them walking on their fours?" In reply to his
own
> > rhetorical question, the imaginary Arab spiritual leader then
coolly
> > replies, "The answer is that they need to build and wash." You
would be
> > right to be angry and disgusted by such vile racism. And you
would be
> > right to wonder what institutional and cultural influences help
create,
> > perpetuate and sustain such anti-Semitic garbage.
> >
> > But would you feel and think the same way if it was a Jewish
spiritual
> > leader targeting Arabs with this hateful, racist nonsense? We
certainly
> > hear, see and read both genuine and exaggerated claims of anti-
Semitism
> > almost daily in radio, T.V. and newspaper reports. But we don't
see
> > balanced attention given to anti-Arab racism. If we had the
resources to
> > conduct a methodical and systematic study documenting the
discrepancy
> > between media coverage of anti-Semitism and media coverage of
anti-Arab
> > racism I'm willing to bet that we'd find conclusive evidence of a
profound
> > neglect. And the source of this neglect can be found in the
hesitation and
> > fear of criticizing the state of Israel's policies and illegal
occupation;
> > the fear of being called an anti-Semite. Since all Jews do not
identify
> > with the state of Israel, or Zionism, despite Zionism's claim to
act on
> > behalf of all Jews, the accusation of anti-Semitism is of course
nonsense.
> >
> > I opened this commentary with "Imagine if an Arab spiritual
leader...".
> > There is in fact no real person as such. However, all the insults
and
> > vitriol spewed in this hypothetical anti-Semitism are the real
words of a
> > Jewish spiritual leader, Rabbi David Bazri, directed at
Palestinians. His
> > racist attack comes in the wake of a very sane, reasonable and
necessary
> > proposal for the establishment of a mixed Arab-Jewish school in
Pat,
> > Jerusalem.
> >
> > Now it is true that anti-Semitism exists in the Arab World, just
as
> > anti-Arab racism exits among Jews. But not all Arabs are anti-
Semites,
> > just as not all Jews are racist. But it is not true, as the well
> > documented daily humiliations of occupied Palestinian lives
testify, that
> > these forms of racism are given equal attention and consequently
have
> > equal outcomes. If the particular hypothetical anti-Semitism used
here
> > were a real incident, you can be sure it would receive wide
spread media
> > and political attention, used to justify Israel's illegal
occupation -
> > more rational to reign collective punishment down upon the
Palestinians.
> >
> > But the opposite is true; a particularly nasty anti-Arab racism
was
> > expressed. Will we see newspaper, T.V. or radio reports covering
these
> > extremely hysteric remarks? Why not? Do we even care? Can we even
begin to
> > ask what institutional and cultural influences help create,
perpetuate and
> > sustain such anti-Arab garbage? Would equal attention and
examination of
> > these issues illuminate the failings of a flawed ideology -
Zionism, or
> > the brutalities of Israel's occupation? In contrast to the
hypothetical
> > anti-Semitism above, the response to real anti-Arab racism
directed at
> > Palestinians from a Jewish spiritual leader is a vacuum of
silence from
> > our political leaders and dominant media institutions.
> >
> > Walla!News (Haaretz) reported on Jan. 10, in a news item
appearing only in
> > Hebrew (see here for an unofficial English translation),
that "Today the
> > school is running in a temporary building and is looking for a
> > permanentresidence in the Pat neighborhood of Jerusalem. The
municipality
> > assigned a territory for the school but because of repeating
appeals to
> > court the process isdelayed. Today [Jan 10.] the matter is
scheduled for a
> > debate in the High Court."
> >
> > A Rabbi named Yehuda Der'i also participated in the conference
against the
> > school and said that "this is a thing that the Jewish mind, logic
and soul
> > cannot tolerate. We have to go from house to house and raise
supporters in
> > the neighborhood to prevent this horrid punishment."
> >
> > More vacuous comments, and the news item quoted here is actually
worse
> > than I've let on...
> >
> > Here are Rabbi David Bazri's words, in full, which I quoted above
for the
> > hypothetical anti-Semitism, "The establishment of such a school
is a foul,
> > disgraceful deed. You can't mix pure and foul. They are a
disease, a
> > disaster, a devil. The Arabs are asses, and the question must be
asked,
> > why did God not create them walking on their fours? The answer is
that
> > they need to build and wash. They have no place in our school".
> >
> > This gross racist assault against a proposed school provides one
window
> > peering into the daily humiliations that Palestinians suffer in
Israel. It
> > is the foundation for the belief that there are "pure" and "foul"
races,
> > ethnic groups and cultures; and in the particular case of Israel,
that
> > there can be a "pure" "Jewish State". It enables the existence of
second
> > class citizenship for Palestinians in Israel, identification
cards for
> > Palestinians, checkpoints for Palestinians, systematic house
demolitions
> > for Palestinians, extra judicial executions and assassinations
for
> > Palestinians, an Apartheid Wall for Palestinians, a brutal
military
> > occupation which has practiced ethnic cleansing and denied
Palestinians
> > their Right of Return. It is a backward and insipid thinking that
belongs
> > to the Stone Age.
> >
> > Sadly, anti-Arab racism is not confined to Israel alone. The US
and Canada
> > are both engaged in the illegal detention, deportation and
torture of
> > Arabs. As Noam Chomsky has noted "Anti-Arab racism in the US has
long been
> > extreme, the last "legitimate" form of racism in that one doesn't
even
> > have to pretend to conceal it. That's long before 9-11, and a
deep problem
> > in the society, which can't be ignored, any more than other forms
of
> > racism can." But that will have to be the topic of another
commentary.
> >
> > Chris Spannos is an anti-war activist, anti-capitalist, ZNet
volunteer and
> > member of the Vancouver Participatory Economics Collective. His
email
> > address is: spannos at gmail dot com He blogs for ZNet at
> > http://blog.zmag.org
> >
>

#17696 From: "Joe Kane" <al_ciaduh@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 2:13 pm
Subject: Just in - Athens of the North Chomsky/Delegation 2006
al_ciaduh
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How are you diddling my fellow J-Pukniks,
a newsletter just in - plans for Noam Chomsky, the Socrates of
Boston, to go gadflying in the agora of Edinburgh

[START]
1. Noam Chomsky will give a talk on "The USA - Deterring Democracy
from South America to Palestine"

The talk is sponsored by the Pilger for Rector Campaign at Edinburgh
University, a coalition of groups which recently ran a campaign
against the occupation of Iraq, and the ongoing Israeli crimes
against the Palestinians. The University Branch of the Scottish
Palestine Solidarity Campaign played a prominent role in this effort,
which led to a new awareness on campus.

As with past video-conferencing talks organised by the SPSC, we
invite other venues capable of joining in to do so.

We ask that all tickets for, or collections at, this event should
include an element of £1 per head towards the cost of including
Palestinian universities in an international video link-up and
discussion. This itself, is a form of solidarity. If you are
interested in joining in this event, please contact Gordon at
davie728@...  or 00 44 7876 2215 213

( Chomsky's book, Deterring Democracy, was published in 1992.
Available from Word Power Books for £9.99. Word Power Books, 43 West
Nicholson Street, Edinburgh, books@... )

2. SPSC Solidarity Delegation to Palestine Summer '06
Meeting for all those interested in joining the Summer 2006
Delegation to follow up the successful solidarity Delegation last
year. Sunday March 12th in Edinburgh, Teviot House, Bristo Square at
2.00pm.
Anyone interested in taking part should attend. Full details of
Delegation aims and ethos at
http://www.scottishpsc.org.uk/EffectiveSolidarity/delegation.html
The report from last year's Delegation is now printed and available
from SPSC at palsolcam@... . It makes a damning
indictment of Israeli crime and calls for boycott, divestment and
sanctions in line with the call from Palestinian civil society.
[END]

Always yours
from a Winter Wonderland
joe

PS in pictures
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4761974.stm
All weather rescue RAF helicopter, on a rescue mission, needs rescued
from the Cairngorms weather
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4768116.stm

#17697 From: e.paramo@...
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 4:59 pm
Subject: Action Alert: Arsenal Football Club--URGENT
pelon442000
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THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH GLOBAL REACH---PLEASE TAKE ACTION WHEREVER
YOU ARE AND SPREAD THE ALERT WIDELY
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
ACTION ALERT: Arsenal Football Club supporting Israeli Apartheid
March 2006

Arsenal Football Club has just signed a sponsorship deal to promote Israel
as a tourist destination from next season. The £350,000 agreement makes
Israel Arsenal's "official and exclusive travel destination."
Below are just some of the benefits Israel will receive from this deal:

  Israel will be featured on digital perimeter boards and 450 high-
definition LCD screens at the stadium on game days;
- Israel will feature on the team's website, Arsenal.com; and in its
magazine.
- The televised ads will reach audiences in an estimated 198 countries.
- The Israeli Tourism Ministry will receive intellectual property rights,
the use of the team logo and the right to use photos of the team and its
players in ads.
  The Israeli Tourism Minister will be allowed use the stadium banqueting
hall twice a year and organize an exhibition at the end of the playing
season
  The stadium will hold permanent sale tables for Israel t-shirts

The financial advisers Ernst & Young were employed to draft this proposal
with the aim of bringing an extra 2 million tourists to Israel annually.

Arsenal FC and individual players have been in the forefront of the 'Kick
Racism Out of Football Campaign'.  For Arsenal to sign a deal to promote
Israel which denies Palestinians human rights and is illegally occupying
Palestinian territory is to go against the very principles of anti-racism.

This campaign is supported by the Islamic Human Rights Commission,
Palestinian Return Centre, Innovative Minds, the British Muslim Initiative,
the Muslim Association of Britain, the Palestinian Forum in Britain,
Palestine Solidarity Campaign and the Scottish-Palestinian Solidarity
Campaign.

Suggested Action

All campaigners are urged to:

a) Contact Arsenal Football Club reminding them that Israel is a racist
apartheid state which is consistently in breach of international law in its
human rights abuses; and that such a deal endangers Arsenal's anti-racist
reputation:

Commercial and Marketing Department
Arsenal Football Club
Arsenal Stadium
Avenell Road
Highbury
London N5 1BU

Email: marketing@...
Tel. 020 7704 4170
Fax. 020 7704 4171

b) Write to the players at the same address.  Many of them have actively
supported Kick Racism Out of Football.

c) Contact the Football Association's Kick Racism out of Football Campaign
reminding them that Israel is a racist apartheid state which is
consistently in breach of international law in its human rights abuses; and
that such a deal endangers the FAs anti-racist reputation and the Kick it
Out campaign itself. Ask the FA to use its influence to prevent the deal
going ahead:

Kick It Out
PO Box 29544
London
EC2A 4WR

T:  020 7684 4884
F:  020 7684 4885
Email: info@...

Please CC all correspondence to info@...
  info@...
and info@...
so we can track the number of letters sent.

More info on www.palestinecampaign.org

*****************************
**************************************


___________________________________________________________

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#17698 From: LichtensteinVA@...
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 2:39 pm
Subject: Re: Action Alert: Arsenal Football Club--URGENT
valichtenstein
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Have tried to get a list of the club's directors - couldn't see it anywhere
on the club's website - anyone have any idea who they are?
Vivien


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#17699 From: "Joe Kane" <al_ciaduh@...>
Date: Fri Mar 3, 2006 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: Action Alert: Arsenal Football Club--URGENT
al_ciaduh
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Much as hate to get involved in foreign Mickey Mouse Football Leagues
Val,
you can kill two birds with one stone -

1 - at http://www.wewantourcrestback.homestead.com/board.html
included is the name and also photo-ID of current Arsenal Chairman
Peter Wood-Hill (obviously a man of the people judging by the hypho-
nated surname)

2 - and if you sign this petition 'Which One's The Daddy Then ?'
http://www.wewantourcrestback.homestead.com/
you/we can ingratiate yourself/ourselves here at J-Pukniks with the
Arsenal Mob

Here is a list of fanzine websites centred on the controverisal topic
of the design changes of the club badge
http://www.wewantourcrestback.homestead.com/zines.html
which includes typical examples of the state of progress of English
civilisation as we know it -  such as 'Arseweb' and the never to be
forgotten'Upthearse', which really, come as no surpise to outside
observers of the English game.

I hope this is helpful!
All the best

joe

PS this could be the start of a brilliant meeting of minds - J-Pukniks
commenting on Arsenal FC fanzine blogs - I'm not joking, sounds great!


--- In JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com, LichtensteinVA@... wrote:
>
> Have tried to get a list of the club's directors - couldn't see it
anywhere
> on the club's website - anyone have any idea who they are?
> Vivien
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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