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May I just think aloud for a moment? I fully accept the arguments for
approaching organisations such as the PSC along the lines Tony
suggests. However, is there a chance that it could be counterproductive?

It sometimes seems to me that the more evidence you adduce, including
from Shamir's own writings, the more the true believers resist it.
Like deeply hypnotised subjects, or sufferers from hysterical
blindness or amnesia, a part of them sees quite well what it is they
don't want to see (hypnotised subjects in experiments have been shown
to walk carefully around obstacles whose presence they deny, and so on
...) And you don't have to be hypnotised to fall under the influence
of suggestion, including auto-suggestion. As advertisers and
political demogogues know.

If much of what Shamir writes strikes deep chords within people, let's
say people whose primary motivation for involvement in this issue is
an unacknowledged, and denied, antisemitism, then in attacking
Shamir's writings we're attacking that hidden - but probably deeply
cherished - part of those people's personalities. And they'll muster
all the narcissistic defences they can - denial, projection (It's not
us, it's you lot).

And maybe they've got us in a double bind - if we win the argument we
lose it, and the better we win, the worse we lose ... A friend has
written to me to say we're wasting our time on the abominable trio and
simply giving them the old O2 publicity kick. We should (he writes)
be "concentrating now on fighting the horrors of what is going on in
Israel and the OT. We should be challenging the three parties as to
what they will do to stop Sharon and the Wall and the settlements, and
call a halt to this round".

As I said, I'm thinking aloud ... and listening hard ...
Cheers
Brian









--- In JustPeaceUK@yahoogroups.com, orna neumann <ornaneumann@y...> wrote:
> Is there somone willing to take this forward?
>
> Thanks Orna
>
> Brighton Unemployed Workers Ct <brightonunemployedcentre2000@y...>
wrote:
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> >My suggestion is that anti-Zionist Jews, maybe under the banner of
Return or JAZ, should sign an open letter to the PLO/PSC etc.
insisting that they categorically repudiate Shamir and all his works
and calling on Deir Yassin Remembered to break its links. What is
important is that those Jews who sign are seen, without any
qualification or equivocation, to be opposed to Zionism root and
branch AND opposed to Shamir.
>
> Tony Greenstein







Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:19 pm

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I'm sorry that I didn't attend the Brighton PSC AGM. If I'd known that Shamir was going to be defended by the speaker I would have attended. Roland is right,...
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I'm not sure I agree with the strategy Tony suggests. It would certainly be possible to draw up a statement on the lines Tony suggests, to be signed by ...
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Is there somone willing to take this forward? Thanks Orna Brighton Unemployed Workers Ct <brightonunemployedcentre2000@...> wrote: I'm sorry that I...
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May I just think aloud for a moment? I fully accept the arguments for approaching organisations such as the PSC along the lines Tony suggests. However, is...
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