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I'm sorry that I didn't attend the Brighton PSC AGM. If I'd known that Shamir
was going to be defended by the speaker I would have attended.

Roland is right, but what he always says is true. Anti-semitic 'support' for
the Palestinians is always detrimental because it plays straight into the hands
of the Zionists. Those Palestinian or Arab fools who believe that Shamir is any
aid to their struggle clearly have little understanding of the role of
anti-Semitism in creating both the Zionist movement and its bastard offspring
state.

I disagree profoundly with Stephen Marks. It matters not one jot whether Shamir
claims its the 'Jews' who are after him. We don't take our cue from
anti-Semites. My suggestion is that anti-Zionist Jews, maybe under the banner
of Return or JAZ, should sign an open letter to the PLO/PSC etc. insisting that
they categorically repudiate Shamir and all his works and calling on Deir Yassin
Remembered to break its links. What is important is that those Jews who sign
are seen, without any qualification or equivocation, to be opposed to Zionism
root and branch AND opposed to Shamir.

Tony Greenstein

>>Charles, Iike you I come across quite a few people that sware by Shamir, and
Paul isn't the only one: about a week ago I attended the Brighton and Hove PSC
annual general meeting and in quite a strong presentation about the occupation,
by someone called David Halpin, who has set up a food delivery charity for Gaza
(and is thinking of running for parliament) some very admiring remarks were made
about Shamir. On top of that he told the audience to ignore the 'campaign that
is waged against him (Shamir) by Jewish right wingers'

I did not have the emotional stemema to say something (and I did not really know
all that I know now...). As I said though, in a previous hastily scribbled
email, we should ask the Arab Media Watch and Affif and the PSC to denounce him
(If they expect us to denounce ant-Arab feelings they should also be ready to
denounce his brand of pathological hatered).

Deborah has written to Caabu to ask them to denounce Shamir...and I hope someone
is willing to write simulatneously to the above organisations, or simply forward
them some of the evidence that was circulated in this list in the last few days.

Thanks Orna

....

From: "Roland Rance" <lists@...>
Subject: RE: Re: JC: Labour peer hosts anti-Jewish speaker at the House of Lords

The point about Shamir is not only that he is anti-Jewish (which he is); but
that he is positively harmful to the Palestinian sttruggle, and to any
aspiration for coexistence in the Middle East. His "solution" appears to be an
alliance between Palestinians and fascism, to bring about a
conversion of the Israeli Jews to Christianity. And no, I'm not making this up
or exaggerating; it's there explicitly in his writings.

So we should not ask people like Afif and PSC to denounce Shamir because of his
anti-Jewish rantings; we should insist that they join us in rejecting his whole
approach as an obstacle to any progressive political strategy.

Roland

Subject: RE: Re: JC: Labour peer hosts anti-Jewish speaker at the House of Lords

Roland I see no difference between progressive political objective and
denunciation of hatered campaigns of any kind.

I think the more important thing is to find someone, who is willing to write to
Affif, to the Arab Media Watch and to the PSC. Would you like to do that? or
else as usual it will fall on Deborah?!

Or may Richard would be willing to write on behalf of JFJP?
Thanks Orna
From: Stephen Marks <stephenmarks@...>
Subject: Re: Re: JC: Labour peer hosts anti-Jewish speaker at the House of Lords

I think the approach should come from a broad range of people, so Shamir cannot
muddy the waters by claiming it is 'the jews' who are after him. The fact is
that the zionists have been 'crying wolf' over antisemitism for so long that
some people who have not read his material will be vulnerable to the argument
that attacks on him are simply a reprise of the old zionist
chorus.

stephen marks


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