hi i'm trying to find some info about my family on my dads side his
name is gary johnston and he and my granmother lived in humpty doo in
the northern territory i dont know how to go about it? my dad still
lives in humpty doo but we have no contact i want to visit him soon.i
want to know about the johnstons i'm related to when they first came to
australia.can anybody help please?

----- Original Message -----

From: jazaboy85

To: JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:09 PM

Subject: [JohnstonAustralia] find my dads family

hi i'm trying to find some info about my family on my dads side his
name is gary johnston and he and my granmother lived in humpty doo in
the northern territory i dont know how to go about it? my dad still
lives in humpty doo but we have no contact i want to visit him soon.i
want to know about the johnstons i'm related to when they first came to
australia.can anybody help please?

G'day Jazaboy,
              I have just had a quick look in the phone book and there
is no G Johnston listed for Humpty Doo, Northern Territory.
Maybe you could simply write a letter addressed to Mr G Johnston, c/o
Humpty Doo Post Office, Arnhem Highway, Northern Territory 0836 and
this may find him. There is no mail delivery service to residents in
this area so there is a good chance he may have to collect the mail
from here.

You do not say where you are from, but have you thought of visiting
your local Australian Electoral Office?. The electoral roll is open for
inspection at these locations. They are not available over the internet
or via phone for privacy reasons. With compulsory voting in Australia
there is a good chance he will be on it.
http://www.aec.gov.au/index.htm

The local paper is the Northern Territory News, they have a classified
section so you should be able to place an ad. It is not a big
newspaper, so your ad will not get lost in pages and pages of similar
ads.
http://www.ntnews.com.au/

These are just a couple of suggestions and I hope they help.
good luck
Tony Johnston





--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "jazaboy85" <jazaboy85@...>
wrote:
>
> hi i'm trying to find some info about my family on my dads side his
> name is gary johnston and he and my granmother lived in humpty doo in
> the northern territory i dont know how to go about it? my dad still
> lives in humpty doo but we have no contact i want to visit him soon.i
> want to know about the johnstons i'm related to when they first came
to
> australia.can anybody help please?
>

Hello all,
          I am offering free Look Ups for Birth's, Death's and
Marriage's in Victoria between 1889 - 1920.
If you wish to take advantage of this please supply as much information
of the name as possible as well as approximate year and town or suburb.

There is no charge for this at all, and there is no catches. I will not
chase you up to buy anything. I am just sick of the rubbish on TV and
would like to do something more constructive with my computer.

cheers
Tony Johnston
Palmerston NT
p.s. this offer is not restricted to the surname Johnston(e), any
name's will be looked up, remember VICTORIA ONLY as I do not have
rescources for elsewhere.
:-)

Looking for information regarding Charles Johnston and Amelia Schwenke
and family who lived in Kerry near Beaudesert. Also his parents Robert
Johnston and Isabella Penman.

Hi All

Does anyone know of any of the following Johnstons?

Ellen Johnston, born 1859 Vic. Died 1901, Vic.

John Lawson Johnston, born 1862, Vic. Died 1927, Vic.

Charles Frederick Johnston, born 1867, Vic, Died 1939, West Melb, Vic

George William Johnston, born 1869, Vic death unknown.

Frank Johnston, born 1872, died 1873. Emerald Hill.

Alfred Whiteman Johnston, born 1874, Emerald Hill, Vic Unknown death

Ernest Albert Johnston, born 1876, Emerald Hill, Vic, unknown death.

Fanny Louise Dudley Johnston, born 1871, Emerald Hill, died 1952, Vic.

Their parents were Charles George Johnston who was born in England.
Mother Ellen Jones who was born in Sydney. They married in Victoria
in 1858.

Charles George Johnston's parents were George William Johnston and
Jane Jopson.
George was born 1801 in Dumfries, Scotland.
George and Janes children were (as well as Charles):
William Johnston, born 1826, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England.
Elizabeth Jane Johnston, born 1829, " ", died in England
John Lawson Johnston, born 1832, " ", died in England.
Rebecca Wilhelmina Johnston, born 1834, " ", died in England.

If anyone thinks they may know William i would love to hear from you,
i have a feeling he may have come to Australia with his brother
Charles.

Some of the above were sometimes recorded as Johnstones.

Cheers
Cat

Hi Tony
How generous of you to offer look ups! I was wondering if you could
help me on a few cheeky Johnstons who i can not find. I have only
managed to get their births. I'm thinking they may have left Victoria
but do not want to rule Vic out unless i'm certain.
Could you please look up some deaths or marriages for the following:

Ernest Albert Johnston, born, 1876, Vic.

Death look up for Alfred Whiteman Johnston, born 1874, married Sarah
B O'Connor 1898.

Marriages only:
John Lawson Johnston, born 1862. (can you confirm his death in 1927?)
Both born and died in Vic so am hoping he married.

Charles Frederick Johnston, born 1867 died 1939.

George William Johnston, born 1869 died 1906.

Also i don't know if there is any record in between 1899-1920 for a
Charles Stuart Johnston, he was the child of Alfred W and Sarah
O'Connor.

Sorry if these are too many look ups, i'd appreciate any out of the
above that you can do!

Cheers
Cat



--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Johnston"
<johnstons_jungle@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>          I am offering free Look Ups for Birth's, Death's and
> Marriage's in Victoria between 1889 - 1920.
> If you wish to take advantage of this please supply as much
information
> of the name as possible as well as approximate year and town or
suburb.
>
> There is no charge for this at all, and there is no catches. I will
not
> chase you up to buy anything. I am just sick of the rubbish on TV
and
> would like to do something more constructive with my computer.
>
> cheers
> Tony Johnston
> Palmerston NT
> p.s. this offer is not restricted to the surname Johnston(e), any
> name's will be looked up, remember VICTORIA ONLY as I do not have
> rescources for elsewhere.
> :-)
>

G'day Cat,
                   I have checked my "Diggers Discs" and have found
the following information for you. It is probably not much more than
what you have at the moment, but I have supplied the reference
numbers from Victoria Births Deaths and Marriages which will greatly
assist you if you wish to purchase these. I do believe that the
cheapest way is to obtain them online and it will cost about A$17-18.
I do believe that if you do obtain the parents certificates that they
do show the issue (children) on them. You will need to contact them
to confirm this.

In my post I did explain that my resources only went up to 1920. If
you can be a little patient though, I am going to the library some
time next week and they do have a disc of Victorian deaths up to
about 1970 so I will check those later death dates for you.

Cheers.
Tony Johnston
Palmerston NT
**********************************************************************

Charles George JOHNSTON
Married
Ellen JONES ( I presume that this is also Helen JONES)
In Victoria 1858. Registration No. 1284.

Children:
**********

*Charles Frederick JOHNSTON
B: 1867 at Prahran. Registration No. 23976.

*George William JOHNSTON
B: 1869 at Emerald Hills. Registration No. 15480.

*Alfred Whitman. JOHNSTON
B: 1874 at Emerald Hills. Registration No. 2327.

*Ernest Albert JOHNSTON
B: 1876 at Emerald Hills. Registration No. 2524.

*Fanny Louisa Dudley JOHNSTON
B: 1878 at Emerald Hills. Registration No. 15701.

Child of Charles George JOHNSTON and Helen JONES
*John Lawson JOHNSTON
B: 1862 at Inglewood. Registration No. 8804

I could find no other information about marriage or the siring of
children to
John Lawson JOHNSTON


MARRIAGES
****************
*
Charles Frederick JOHNSTON married
Emma Louisa WINDSOR
1896. Registration No. 1130R
*
George William JOHNSTON married
Emily Elizabeth BURGE (born at Williamstown)
1903. Registration No. 1221
*
Alfred Whitman JOHNSTON married
Sarah Beatrice O'CONNOR
1898. Registration No. 1720

Child.
Charles Stuart JOHNSTON
B: 1899 at Carlton Nth. Registration No. 1838

*
Ernest Albert JOHNSTON married
Susan Catherine JOHNSTON
1918. Registration No. 6164
*
Fanny Louisa JOHNSTON married
Alfred John CARLTON ( born at Albert Park)
1899. Registration No. 3519

Children:
Adrain (sic) Lynell CARLTON
B: 1891 at Warracknabeal. Registration No. 28424

Vernon Johnstone(sic) CARLTON
B: 1894 at Warracknabeal. Registration No. 7622

Jack Dudley CARLTON
B: 1900 at Hawthorn. Registration No. 11598

***************************************************************
I did a search of George William JOHNSON/JOHNSTON/JOHNSTONE and could
find no deaths recorded around 1906.

If you see (sic) after a name, that is how it is spelt on the disc I
have.
Tony

*********************************************************************



--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "kiwi_cat_23"
<kiwi_cat_23@...> wrote:

Hi Tony
How generous of you to offer look ups! I was wondering if you could
help me on a few cheeky Johnstons who i can not find. I have only
managed to get their births. I'm thinking they may have left Victoria
but do not want to rule Vic out unless i'm certain.
Could you please look up some deaths or marriages for the following:

Ernest Albert Johnston, born, 1876, Vic.

Death look up for Alfred Whiteman Johnston, born 1874, married Sarah
B O'Connor 1898.

Marriages only:
John Lawson Johnston, born 1862. (can you confirm his death in 1927?)
Both born and died in Vic so am hoping he married.

Charles Frederick Johnston, born 1867 died 1939.

George William Johnston, born 1869 died 1906.

Also i don't know if there is any record in between 1899-1920 for a
Charles Stuart Johnston, he was the child of Alfred W and Sarah
O'Connor.

Sorry if these are too many look ups, i'd appreciate any out of the
above that you can do!

Cheers
Cat

Thank you so much Tony!
Fantastic to have those extra marriages. I might need to purchase
either Alfred Carlton or Fanny Johnston's death certs though as i had
no idea about those 2 earlier births of children. I had Jacks birth
and then Alfred and Fanny had my gt grandfather and another son in
New Zealand. A death cert should clarify those 2 other children
though (i should do this especially since they happened before
marriage) I have Alfred and Fanny's death refs.
Gosh i'm stumped as to what happened to John Lawson Johnston, he
seems to just disappear! I think i should get Fanny's death as John
was listed as her father! Might just mean that the informant was not
very good but could be interesting!
Thank you for all that! I appreciate it alot!
Cheers
Cat

--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Johnston"
<johnstons_jungle@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> G'day Cat,
>                   I have checked my "Diggers Discs" and have found
> the following information for you. It is probably not much more
than
> what you have at the moment, but I have supplied the reference
> numbers from Victoria Births Deaths and Marriages which will
greatly
> assist you if you wish to purchase these. I do believe that the
> cheapest way is to obtain them online and it will cost about A$17-
18.
> I do believe that if you do obtain the parents certificates that
they
> do show the issue (children) on them. You will need to contact them
> to confirm this.
>
> In my post I did explain that my resources only went up to 1920. If
> you can be a little patient though, I am going to the library some
> time next week and they do have a disc of Victorian deaths up to
> about 1970 so I will check those later death dates for you.
>
> Cheers.
> Tony Johnston
> Palmerston NT
>
**********************************************************************
>
> Charles George JOHNSTON
> Married
> Ellen JONES ( I presume that this is also Helen JONES)
> In Victoria 1858. Registration No. 1284.
>
> Children:
> **********
>
> *Charles Frederick JOHNSTON
> B: 1867 at Prahran. Registration No. 23976.
>
> *George William JOHNSTON
> B: 1869 at Emerald Hills. Registration No. 15480.
>
> *Alfred Whitman. JOHNSTON
> B: 1874 at Emerald Hills. Registration No. 2327.
>
> *Ernest Albert JOHNSTON
> B: 1876 at Emerald Hills. Registration No. 2524.
>
> *Fanny Louisa Dudley JOHNSTON
> B: 1878 at Emerald Hills. Registration No. 15701.
>
> Child of Charles George JOHNSTON and Helen JONES
> *John Lawson JOHNSTON
> B: 1862 at Inglewood. Registration No. 8804
>
> I could find no other information about marriage or the siring of
> children to
> John Lawson JOHNSTON
>
>
> MARRIAGES
> ****************
> *
> Charles Frederick JOHNSTON married
> Emma Louisa WINDSOR
> 1896. Registration No. 1130R
> *
> George William JOHNSTON married
> Emily Elizabeth BURGE (born at Williamstown)
> 1903. Registration No. 1221
> *
> Alfred Whitman JOHNSTON married
> Sarah Beatrice O'CONNOR
> 1898. Registration No. 1720
>
> Child.
> Charles Stuart JOHNSTON
> B: 1899 at Carlton Nth. Registration No. 1838
>
> *
> Ernest Albert JOHNSTON married
> Susan Catherine JOHNSTON
> 1918. Registration No. 6164
> *
> Fanny Louisa JOHNSTON married
> Alfred John CARLTON ( born at Albert Park)
> 1899. Registration No. 3519
>
> Children:
> Adrain (sic) Lynell CARLTON
> B: 1891 at Warracknabeal. Registration No. 28424
>
> Vernon Johnstone(sic) CARLTON
> B: 1894 at Warracknabeal. Registration No. 7622
>
> Jack Dudley CARLTON
> B: 1900 at Hawthorn. Registration No. 11598
>
> ***************************************************************
> I did a search of George William JOHNSON/JOHNSTON/JOHNSTONE and
could
> find no deaths recorded around 1906.
>
> If you see (sic) after a name, that is how it is spelt on the disc
I
> have.
> Tony
>
>
*********************************************************************
>
>
>
> --- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "kiwi_cat_23"
> <kiwi_cat_23@> wrote:
>
> Hi Tony
> How generous of you to offer look ups! I was wondering if you could
> help me on a few cheeky Johnstons who i can not find. I have only
> managed to get their births. I'm thinking they may have left
Victoria
> but do not want to rule Vic out unless i'm certain.
> Could you please look up some deaths or marriages for the following:
>
> Ernest Albert Johnston, born, 1876, Vic.
>
> Death look up for Alfred Whiteman Johnston, born 1874, married
Sarah
> B O'Connor 1898.
>
> Marriages only:
> John Lawson Johnston, born 1862. (can you confirm his death in
1927?)
> Both born and died in Vic so am hoping he married.
>
> Charles Frederick Johnston, born 1867 died 1939.
>
> George William Johnston, born 1869 died 1906.
>
> Also i don't know if there is any record in between 1899-1920 for a
> Charles Stuart Johnston, he was the child of Alfred W and Sarah
> O'Connor.
>
> Sorry if these are too many look ups, i'd appreciate any out of the
> above that you can do!
>
> Cheers
> Cat
>

Hi All

I have just discovered a a group of Footscray, Victoria born
Johnston/es, and thought i'd list them here just in case someone has
them in their family. They are all born as Johnstone yet it seems
just their father has decided to go by this spelling, his parents
were Johnstons.

The following were the children of John Lawson Johnstone, who married
twice
1st wife: Elizabeth Jane Cross, born:1864, married 1893, died 1903.

Children:

John Lawson, born 1895 (ref 3606), Died 1971, Leongatha.

Thomas Harold, (twin of above? ref: 3607) born 1895, died 1906,
Williamstown.

Bessie, born 1897. Found 2 poss marriages for Bessie, one to Dougall
McDougall Hardingham, and one to Bennet Joseph Joyce.

Ellen Jane (Nellie) born 1899, died 1899, Footscray.

George Hope, born 1900, died 1972, Footscray. (found interesting
military record for him, enlisted underage under fake name!)

2nd marriage to:
Daisy Evelyn Rippon, born 1880, Footscray, died 1924 Footscray.
Marriage 1904.

Children:

Charles Frederick, born 1905, died 1950 Kew.

Enid Evelyn, born 1908, Died 1944, East Melbourne.

Alfred Lawson, born 1910, died 1920 Footscray.

Alice, born 1911, Poss death for Alice as Alice Baird, 1983. (record
states: age 72 yrs, parents John and Daisy Johnstone.

If anyone thinks they have any of these in their family i'd love to
hear from you!

Cheers
Cat

Does anyone know anything about a Robert Johnston who is buried in a
lone grave with his 2 infant children at Kerry bridge Queensland?

I found the Kerry Bridge hotel:
http://www.gdaypubs.com.au/QLD/kerry.html
Looks like life has passed it by a long time ago.

Have you tried ringing anyone in the district?
Have you tried the Pioneer Index for Qld?

I have a Robert Johnston born ?1838 in Dervock, Antrim, that I've
lost.  His parents were parents James and Margaret Ann Johnston.. but
haven't any details about him unfortunately,

best wishes,
Gillian
Adelaide


--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "lindaw1nner"
<lindaw1nner@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know anything about a Robert Johnston who is buried in a
> lone grave with his 2 infant children at Kerry bridge Queensland?
>

hi am looking for inforation on Mungovans in NZ

Am a descendant of Anne Mungovan who settled in Australia but had a
sister and alater one of her childen (Anne)who were in New Zealand and
married in too the Lott family.  Parents wer Patrick Mungovan and
bridget kelly or Canny from County Clare ireland

In the 1893 Electoral Roll: Waihemo Electorate, at Hyde, 1636 Michael, Farmer; 1637 Patrick, miner. Waihemo is in the Waitaki district, South Island, 25k’sNW of Palmerston. In the IGI there is a marriage, Margaret Mungovan, to Andrew Costello, May 11, 1867, Dunedin, Otago. Margaret and Ellen Mungovan (sister?) arrived (steerage) on the “Resolute.” Would submitter reply to me direct for more on this voyage if required. Les Hewett, NZ Commissioner, Clan Johnston NZ.

Resolute

Ship: 1072 tons

Captain: Wallace

Surgeon Superintendent:

Sailed Glasgow June 6th 1866 - arrived Dunedin September 18th 1866

The Resolute, a full-rigged ship of over 1000 tons, commanded by Captain Wallace, completed three successful and uneventful voyages to New Zealand. She was American built, and chartered by the Patrick Henderson Co. to bring out passengers and general cargo. Her first visit was to Port Chalmers, in 1864. She sailed from Glasgow on December 17, 1863, and after a good passage of 82 days, land to land, and 90 days, port to port, arrived at her destination on March 17, 1864. The Resolute on this occasion brought out two lighthouses. One was erected at Tirau, Port Chalmers, and the other on Dog Island. The following year the Resolute sailed from Glasgow for Auckland on March 14. For the first five days she experienced heavy westerly gales during which some damage was done to the ship. She crossed the Equator when 25 days out; thence had a favourable and pleasant passage to the Three Kings, which were sighted on June 18, 1865, the run having occupied 94 days, land to land. Four days later she arrived in port and landed, all in good health, a large number of passengers, including the father of the late Mr. Thomas Peacock (optician), Mrs. Thomas Peacock, Messrs. D. and A. Brown (dyers), and Mr Proud (iron and brass founder). The Resolute again visited Port Chalmers in 1866. She sailed from Glasgow with 122 (sic) passengers on June 6, and arrived on September 22.

White Wings - Sir Henry Brett

Our thanks to Gay Ross for helping with this list and attached information.

There were 118 steerage passengers on board. We have located only 34

woods@...  I am descended from a Nancy Johnston from near Kilrea,
County Londonderry, Northern Ireland, and will happily share information on
this family. One member at least came to New Zealand, as shown by the
following cemetery inscription from Kilrea (on the well known River Bann):

"Erected by ROBERT JOHN JOHNSTON, New Zealand, in memory of his father
THOMAS JOHNSTON, Drumsara, died 24th October 1885 aged 60 years; And his
mother MARY JOHNSTON died 28th January 1911 aged 84 years"

This Robert John Johnston is a mystery to me, but some more well known
Johnstons from this area migrated to Mossman, Queensland, and had places
named after them. I have a reasonable amount of information on Johnstons
from this area which I'm happy to share. John Woods, Christchurch

(Posted on behalf: Les Hewett, NZ Clan J Assn. NZ Commissioner.)

Looking for info on Francis Johnston married Rose Stevens 1888.Children
Lottie Evylan,Ruby Inns,Ethel Rose,Agnes Winnifred,Francis
Victor,Harold Dunlop,Maud Frances.

Anyone know anything about Benjamin Johnston born 1868 Queensland
married ? Alice Mary Blunt son Eric Herbert Johnston.

Searching for information on a William Johnston married Matilda Strain
1900.Children were/are Mary Isabella Penman Johnston,William Penman
Johnston,Alan Penman Johnston.

Hi
I have a William Henry Johnston in my tree.  He was born in Hobart in
1877 to Samuel Henry Johnston and Catherine Gertrude nee TREGEAR. I
don't have a marriage for him but his age would be about right.

I'm fascinated by the name PENMAN as it also appears in my tree on the
other side of the family.

Lorna

--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "lindaw1nner"
<lindaw1nner@...> wrote:
>
> Searching for information on a William Johnston married Matilda Strain
> 1900.Children were/are Mary Isabella Penman Johnston,William Penman
> Johnston,Alan Penman Johnston.
>

Hello Lorna,
            did you know that in Queensland, Birth's, Deaths's and
Marriages between 1829 - 1914 is available online?
You could do some basic research there and it may assist you.

http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/IndexSearch.htm#

I have also had a quick look on Australian War memorial site and
there is family there. At that site there are various places to look
so give that a shot.
Concentrate on -
*First World War Embarkation Roll.
*First World War Nominal Roll.
*Second World War Nominal Roll.

http://www.awm.gov.au/database/nroll.asp

Also check out the Collections Database while there. A good search
may find more interestind stuff for you.

http://www.awm.gov.au/database/collection.asp


Another good site is the National Archives of Australia where I also
see family listed.

http://www.awm.gov.au/database/nroll.asp

I would like to help more but I am moving house this week and time is
limited for me on the computor.
Let me know if this information is productive for you.

Good luck and be warned, Family Research is Addictive.

Cheers
Tony Johnston.
Northern Territory


--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "Lorna" <snag@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> I have a William Henry Johnston in my tree.  He was born in Hobart
in
> 1877 to Samuel Henry Johnston and Catherine Gertrude nee TREGEAR. I
> don't have a marriage for him but his age would be about right.
>
> I'm fascinated by the name PENMAN as it also appears in my tree on
the
> other side of the family.
>
> Lorna
>
> --- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "lindaw1nner"
> <lindaw1nner@> wrote:
> >
> > Searching for information on a William Johnston married Matilda
Strain
> > 1900.Children were/are Mary Isabella Penman Johnston,William
Penman
> > Johnston,Alan Penman Johnston.
> >
>

Sorry Linda,
In my previous post I refered to you as Lorna when I meant Linda.
I got a little confused with names because Lorna answered you.
But never mind as the information I posted will be relevent to you both.
With regards to Lorna's reply to you about having name Penman as part
of the given name, I would say that it is most likely that you are
related.
I say that because of the traditional Naming Convention of the Scot's.

Here is a quick explanation.

Scottish, 1700 to 1800's.

First daughter - named for maternal grandmother
Second daughter - named for paternal grandmother
Third daughter - named after her mother
Other daughters were named after other family members
First son - named after paternal grandfather
Second son - named after maternal grandfather
Third son - named after his father

This policy holds true unless one family member had more assets or a
higher social standing than the other. One unique aspect of Scottish
naming was that if two grandmothers or two grandfathers had the same
given name, two children in the same family would end up with the same
name. Another practice was to name daughters after the clergyman or
other important male figure.

Hope this explains it.

cheers
Tony Johnston
Northern Territory.



--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "lindaw1nner"
<lindaw1nner@...> wrote:
>
> Searching for information on a William Johnston married Matilda
Strain
> 1900.Children were/are Mary Isabella Penman Johnston,William Penman
> Johnston,Alan Penman Johnston.
>

---

From: JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Johnston
Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2007 10:05 AM
To: JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [JohnstonAustralia] oop's : William Johnston

Sorry Linda,
In my previous post I refered to you as Lorna when I meant Linda.
I got a little confused with names because Lorna answered you.
But never mind as the information I posted will be relevent to you both.
With regards to Lorna's reply to you about having name Penman as part
of the given name, I would say that it is most likely that you are
related.
I say that because of the traditional Naming Convention of the Scot's.

Here is a quick explanation.

Scottish, 1700 to 1800's.

First daughter - named for maternal grandmother
Second daughter - named for paternal grandmother
Third daughter - named after her mother
Other daughters were named after other family members
First son - named after paternal grandfather
Second son - named after maternal grandfather
Third son - named after his father

This policy holds true unless one family member had more assets or a
higher social standing than the other. One unique aspect of Scottish
naming was that if two grandmothers or two grandfathers had the same
given name, two children in the same family would end up with the same
name. Another practice was to name daughters after the clergyman or
other important male figure.

Hope this explains it.

cheers
Tony Johnston
Northern Territory.

--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "lindaw1nner"
<lindaw1nner@...> wrote:
>
> Searching for information on a William Johnston married Matilda
Strain
> 1900.Children were/are Mary Isabella Penman Johnston,William Penman
> Johnston,Alan Penman Johnston.
>

Just a quick hello to advise any one researching the family.

New South Wales has online research available for -
Birth's. 1788 - 1906
Death's. 1788 - 1906
Marriage's. 1788 - 1956

http://www.birthregister.com.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?
event=births

Initial search is free, but charges only apply if you desire
certificates.

cheers
Tony Johnston
Northern Territory

For those researching family in Western Australia there information
online for -

Birth's. 1841 - 1931.
will show. Name, mother, father, place of birth, year.

Death's. 1841 - 1934
will show. name. father, mother(maiden name). place. year.

Marriage's. 1841 - 1911
will show. Groom name. Bride name. place. year.

Information is free with options of purchasing certificates.

http://www.justice.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx

cheers

Tony Johnston
Northern Territory.

Tassie has online facilities for family researchers.
This includes convicts and colonial families.
A good source of information for those chasing the Tassie roots.

This is free.

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8

Cemetery information is available online. Family researchers may find
this a usefull site for finding information of out dearly departed.

Not all cemeteries have information online, but some offer "look ups".
Some even offer Grave Photographs.

Contact details are provided.

Some information is free, some at a cost. It is up to the individual
cemetery.

cheers
Tony Johnston
Northern Territory

----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Johnston

To: JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:04 PM

Subject: [JohnstonAustralia] oop's : William Johnston

Sorry Linda,
In my previous post I refered to you as Lorna when I meant Linda.
I got a little confused with names because Lorna answered you.
But never mind as the information I posted will be relevent to you both.
With regards to Lorna's reply to you about having name Penman as part
of the given name, I would say that it is most likely that you are
related.
I say that because of the traditional Naming Convention of the Scot's.

Here is a quick explanation.

Scottish, 1700 to 1800's.

First daughter - named for maternal grandmother
Second daughter - named for paternal grandmother
Third daughter - named after her mother
Other daughters were named after other family members
First son - named after paternal grandfather
Second son - named after maternal grandfather
Third son - named after his father

This policy holds true unless one family member had more assets or a
higher social standing than the other. One unique aspect of Scottish
naming was that if two grandmothers or two grandfathers had the same
given name, two children in the same family would end up with the same
name. Another practice was to name daughters after the clergyman or
other important male figure.

Hope this explains it.

cheers
Tony Johnston
Northern Territory.

--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "lindaw1nner"
<lindaw1nner@...> wrote:
>
> Searching for information on a William Johnston married Matilda
Strain
> 1900.Children were/are Mary Isabella Penman Johnston,William Penman
> Johnston,Alan Penman Johnston.
>

Naming Conventions
Naming Order of Children



English and Welsh, 1700 - 1879.


First daughter - named after the mother's mother (maternal
grandmother)
Second daughter - named after the mother's father's mother
Third daughter - named after the mother
Fourth daughter - named after the mother's oldest sister
First son - named after the father's father
Second son was named after the mother's father
Third son - named after the father
Fourth son - named after the father's eldest brother.

Exceptions apply if there was a duplication of a given name. In that
case the practice was to skip to the next name on the list.



Irish, 1800's.

First daughter - named after the paternal grandmother
Second daughter - named after the maternal grandmother
First son - named after the paternal grandfather,
Second son - named after the maternal grandfather

After that alternate names using the grandmothers', grandfather's;
mother's, aunt's and uncle's names. If a child died, that name was to
be recycled with a future child.



Scottish, 1700 to 1800's.

First daughter - named for maternal grandmother
Second daughter - named for paternal grandmother
Third daughter - named after her mother
Other daughters were named after other family members
First son - named after paternal grandfather
Second son - named after maternal grandfather
Third son - named after his father

This policy holds true unless one family member had more assets or a
higher social standing than the other. One unique aspect of Scottish
naming was that if two grandmothers or two grandfathers had the same
given name, two children in the same family would end up with the
same name. Another practice was to name daughters after the clergyman
or other important male figure.

Hello Marilyn,
thank you for your enquiry and what I did was make a seperate posting
with the information I have in case others may wish to make use of it.
When I was supplied with this information from a fellow researcher it
made my life easier and seemed to make sense when you look at it. It
seems that it also works with you as well.

As you can see from previous posts from Linda and Lorna, because of
the name Penman mixed in thier family names it is most likely that
they are related.

From my family research it seems that my Johnston(e) line is also
Scottish Johnstone and Irish Johnston(e).

I have also a list of earlier Occupations (eg Baxter = Baker) and
Medical Conditions (eg Apoplexy = Stroke) if any one thinks I should
post them.

If you (or any one else) requires information on births, deaths and
marriage between 1837 - 1920 in VICTORIA ONLY I can look the
information up. It may take a couple of weeks as I am moving house
this weekend to a rural location and I will need time to settle in
and sort out the broadband issue.

good luck with the research and thanks again for your email
cheers
Tony Johnston
Northern Territory



--- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "Marilyn Laxton"
<wlaxton@...> wrote:
>
> Hi - Do you think this naming convention applies to the northern
irish johnstons?  Thank you for the description it seems to fit my
Scottish ancestors.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Tony Johnston
>   To: JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:04 PM
>   Subject: [JohnstonAustralia] oop's : William Johnston
>
>
>   Sorry Linda,
>   In my previous post I refered to you as Lorna when I meant Linda.
>   I got a little confused with names because Lorna answered you.
>   But never mind as the information I posted will be relevent to
you both.
>   With regards to Lorna's reply to you about having name Penman as
part
>   of the given name, I would say that it is most likely that you
are
>   related.
>   I say that because of the traditional Naming Convention of the
Scot's.
>
>   Here is a quick explanation.
>
>   Scottish, 1700 to 1800's.
>
>   First daughter - named for maternal grandmother
>   Second daughter - named for paternal grandmother
>   Third daughter - named after her mother
>   Other daughters were named after other family members
>   First son - named after paternal grandfather
>   Second son - named after maternal grandfather
>   Third son - named after his father
>
>   This policy holds true unless one family member had more assets
or a
>   higher social standing than the other. One unique aspect of
Scottish
>   naming was that if two grandmothers or two grandfathers had the
same
>   given name, two children in the same family would end up with the
same
>   name. Another practice was to name daughters after the clergyman
or
>   other important male figure.
>
>   Hope this explains it.
>
>   cheers
>   Tony Johnston
>   Northern Territory.
>
>   --- In JohnstonAustralia@yahoogroups.com, "lindaw1nner"
>   <lindaw1nner@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Searching for information on a William Johnston married Matilda
>   Strain
>   > 1900.Children were/are Mary Isabella Penman Johnston,William
Penman
>   > Johnston,Alan Penman Johnston.
>   >
>