But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you, Matthew 11:24
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Deuteronomy 23:17 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel. 1Kings 14:24 They die in youth, and their life is among the sodomites. Job 36:14 `And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them. Lev 20:13|
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nic eld (pharmaecopia) wrote:
you dont have to LIKE someone to TOLERATE them. we let too much HATE go in our schools and the peaceful students are the ones who pay for it.
Friday, November 19, 2010 5:26:53 PM
MiMi Diva (MiMiDiVa) wrote:
Im here to push buttons GPRH. Apparently I pushed yours.
Oh and yes I did read the whole article...which I commented on earlier. Feel free to read it.
Friday, November 19, 2010 2:46:46 PM
GPRP GPRP (GPRP) wrote:
Jason DeGraaf (JPDG) on Thursday, November 18, 2010 @ 11:56:37 PM wrote: “Just don't force your version of morality on another person."
I disagree with much of what you wrote, but this sentence needs to be addressed.
The issue here isn’t morality, but religious belief, and there I agree with you. No one should force their beliefs on others.
Morality is a trickier matter. Murder, theft, fraud are all immoral acts, they are also criminal. Does the criminal law then force a “version of morality on another person"?
The difference, of course, is that those three things are immoral BECAUSE they cause harm to others. The same cannot be said of sexual orientation. Therefore, it is wrong for fundamentalists to force their “version of morality" on others in that regard.
However, the issue here is simply the student’s freedom of speech. Even though the Supreme Court has said school kids don’t have the same amount of freedom as adults, it was wrong of the teacher to suspend him. I may not agree with what the kid said, but I defend to the death his right to say it.
By the way, a better response by the teacher would have been to point out the many instances of Christians who didn’t accept Jews or Judaism, and where that led!
Friday, November 19, 2010 12:26:43 AM
Jason DeGraaf (JPDG) wrote:
Sexuality and morality can never be separated. There will always be those who believe it is immoral (regardless of whether or not the desires are innate) and others who do not. And, of course, morality is relative. In this country, we are free to believe what we wish. Some will view it as hate speech, others will view it as the boy having a conscience. If he views a homosexual lifestyle as immoral, he has the right to do so. If the teacher views homosexuality as acceptable, he has the right to believe so.
Just don't force your version of morality on another person.
Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:56:37 PM
GPRP GPRP (GPRP) wrote:
To MiMi Diva (MiMiDiVa), writing on Thursday, November 18, 2010 @ 9:15:21 PM:
Apparently it escaped your notice that the staff attorney for the ACLU's LGBT Legal Project did NOT agree with the teacher, and said that the student’s words “as offensive and upsetting as they were — they were protected speech". In other words, madam, here was a member of the “Gay Agenda" who wasn’t interested in suppressing speech.
In short, madam, all gays and lesbians are not the same. But of course, blind prejudice on your part prevents you from seeing that simple fact. Tell me, do you also believe all Jews are greedy, all Blacks are lazy and shiftless, all Irish are drunks, and all Italians are either seducers, or Mafiosi?
Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:42:15 PM
MiMi Diva (MiMiDiVa) wrote:
The teacher was right to remove the boy from his class.
@ John Doe. I read that article on Susan Sarandon's statement on the gays's suppressing speech if you don't agree with them.She was one of the main people in their corner.They stabb HER IN THE BACK!
The gays scream,cuss,name call ,insult and paste negative signs on people's houses(prop 8 calif. Nov. 2008) if not in agreement with them.
The LGBT folks suppress speech right here on NPR. If you don't agree with the gay topics on NPR,believe me LBGT community on NPR blogs will come at you and insult you every chance they get.*v*
AM I right LGBT bloggers?!
Sometimes it so hilarioues,that I just write stuff just to get them started by pushing a button real hardddd! Its like playing poker, I get a read and I just go for it....just so I can see "real same-sex people" are no different when it comes to hatred and bigotry.They won't stop till everyone thinks and agrees with their GAY Agenda....Not Gonna Happen!
Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:15:21 PM
Michael Langdon (science1) wrote:
I guess my concern is that social activism is such a vague term. In my writing class, I show videos of Dawkins comparing giant tortoises in preparation of writing a compare and contrast paragraph. A students blurted out that she didn't believe in evolution, my answer was that evolution like gravity doesn't really care what her belief is. All to often promoting scientific fact is seen as social activism.
Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:59:32 PM
Art Aficionado (Art_Aficionado) wrote:
Michael Langdon (science1) wrote:
Art do you mean illegally? Your use of illicit seems off a bit. You're saying showing Michael Moore films in a class is outside of the social norm? Wouldn't that depend on the class? You're against teachers being civically active?
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The teacher in question was showing the films in violation of school district policy, which requires permission to show content that hasn't been approved. By illicit I mean 'not approved'.
Civic activity is fine but bringing it into the classroom is fraught with problems, as we see in Mr. McDowell's story. IMO, a teacher's social activism should stay out of the classroom.
Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:00:45 PM
Irene Cardenas (irenesee) wrote:
Per m-w.com, "accept" can mean "to receive willingly" or "to endure without protest." Aside from whether people think homosexuality is wrong, if some Christians object to it, did Jesus indicate he's willing to receive into his heart those who he thinks have acted wrongly? Here I cite what Jesus reportedly said per Matthew: “you who kill the prophets... how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing" (23:37). When asked why he ate with "sinners," he said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick" (9:12). He protested to some people as "hypocrites," but did he interact with them to teach them anyway? Might one protest sin while loving strangers whole-heartedly? The Essene Gospel of Peace also includes statements attributed to Jesus. Like the New Testament, it says: "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." It continues, “if a man say, / I love the Heavenly Father, but hate my brother, / He is a liar: For he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, How can he love the Heavenly Father Whom he hath not seen?" Given all Jesus said, would Christians consider it most sinful to not open one's heart to understand what strangers experience?
Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:52:20 PM
Michael Langdon (science1) wrote:
Well, thanks Art but I don't teach children, I teach adults. I tried a stint with seventh graders and I decided they weren't for me. So, if you teach seventh graders, you are a better person than I Gunga Din.
Thursday, November 18, 2010
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