... But which Queen are you loyal to Mr Heydel-Mankoo, the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or the Queen of Canada? SMS...
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Robert Stewart
robertstewart@...
Apr 1, 2001 11:53 am
... Consider too this earlier version of 1742. The words have been attributed to Henry Carey (c. 1687-1743), who was said to have been heard singing it in...
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Snapping Turtle
meancooter@...
Apr 1, 2001 1:05 pm
Greetings, Well, something I'm interested in is what orders of knighthood etc (eg. order of garter, order of thistle, priory, etc) were maintained and issued...
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Marie Louise
marieslouisefr@...
Apr 1, 2001 3:12 pm
The Order of the Garter was founded in 1348 by the King Edward III (de l'Angleterre). The Order of the Thistle goes to 1452 when the King James II (de...
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Rhonda Richards
richardsrs@...
Apr 1, 2001 3:54 pm
ST, the same here. i would love to hear more about the knights and the orders, ect. Thought I might pick up some of the history here. As far as the Queen,...
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Rafal Heydel-Mankoo
rafalhm@...
Apr 1, 2001 4:24 pm
... I am both British and Canadian and thus am loyal to both sovereigns. Fortunately a situation has yet to arise where the Queen of the United Kingdom and the...
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Rafal Heydel-Mankoo
rafalhm@...
Apr 1, 2001 4:31 pm
... My understanding is that it did not become the national anthem until the early 1800s. The first verse you cite below was first sung in a London theatre in...
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Republican3000@...
Apr 1, 2001 4:49 pm
In a message dated 1/4/01 3:55:47 pm, richardsrs@... writes: << I have never lived under a monarchy! >> Lucky you. Alan Clayton Loch Fyne Argyll Scotland ...
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andy.murray@...
Apr 1, 2001 5:12 pm
... Not quite. Verse two was slightly modified from: O Lord our God arise, Scatter his enemies, And make them fall: Confound their politics, Frustrate their...
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Rafal Heydel-Mankoo
rafalhm@...
Apr 1, 2001 5:18 pm
... Sorry. Quite correct. I didn't bother to read the verse all the way through. I just glanced at the first two lines and assumed it was the same as currently...
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Rhonda Richards
richardsrs@...
Apr 1, 2001 10:14 pm
Yes I guess it is. But we all want to learn don't we? Rhonda Richards Vancleave, MS USA ... From: Republican3000@... To: Jacobite@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
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Noel S. McFerran
noel.mcferran@...
Apr 2, 2001 1:12 am
... In his "The Jacobite Peerage" (Edinburgh: Jack, 1904), the Marquis de Ruvigny gives a list of those honoured with the Garter and the Thistle by the Stuart...
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Noel S. McFerran
noel.mcferran@...
Apr 2, 2001 1:27 am
... Mr Eastwood refers to "Noel's views" as if Noel (i.e. I) were somehow unique (or at least unusual) in holding them. I believe that the senior co-heir...
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Snapping Turtle
meancooter@...
Apr 2, 2001 2:35 am
Greetings,
Many thanks for the reply! I had the opportunity to see the Ruvigny volume
on one occasion a number of years ago.
Would you say that his work is...
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Snapping Turtle
meancooter@...
Apr 2, 2001 2:52 am
Greetings,
Thank you so much for the information!
Do you have any sense as to what might have distinguished recipients of the
garter and recipients of...
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Republican3000@...
Apr 2, 2001 6:44 am
In a message dated 1/4/01 5:32:21 pm, rafalhm@... writes: << On him our hopes we fix, God save us all. >> Doubt if even God would be interested in saving...
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andy.murray@...
Apr 2, 2001 7:28 am
... Noel Do you have access to an official extract of a Birth Certificate indicating that Michael was registered at birth with the surname "Lafosse"? Can you...
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Noel S. McFerran
noel.mcferran@...
Apr 2, 2001 1:04 pm
... It is not my responsibility to prove that Michael is a fake. It is the responsibility of his supporters to prove that he is "the real McCoy" (or Stuart). ...
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Robert Stewart
robertstewart@...
Apr 2, 2001 1:20 pm
Andy Good point. Noel Michael has produced a birth certificate with the name Michael Jacques Stewart thereon (which you no doubt claim is a forgery). If you...
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RMM URGENT TRANSLATIONS
ochaye@...
Apr 2, 2001 4:56 pm
I'll tell you what this royal affair brings to my mind. It reminds me of an Italian prince who came back to Scotland, raised many Highlanders to regain his...
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andy.murray@...
Apr 2, 2001 6:17 pm
... Frankly, Noel, your attitude puzzles me. You are happy to make slanderous and libellous allegations against Prince Michael behind his back, defaming his...
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Rhonda Richards
richardsrs@...
Apr 2, 2001 8:33 pm
I think this is one of the saddest situations i have ever seen. It seems they could do something besides ruin evryones livelyhood. It must be absolutely...
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Noel S. McFerran
noel.mcferran@...
Apr 2, 2001 9:51 pm
... The name used on a Belgain birth certificate (whether Lafosse or Stuart or Stewart) does not prove whether a particular person is descended in the...
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Rafal Heydel-Mankoo
rafalhm@...
Apr 2, 2001 10:05 pm
... I whole-heartedly agree with Mr. McFerran. If I claim to be the descendant of Queen Victoria the burden of proof would logically lie with me to prove the...
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Noel S. McFerran
noel.mcferran@...
Apr 2, 2001 10:16 pm
... Once again, instead of providing any evidence in support of Michael, his followers resort to insulting those who do not believe his claims. IF YOU CAN...
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Noel S. McFerran
noel.mcferran@...
Apr 3, 2001 1:54 am
... I would say that Ruvigny's "The Jacobite Peerage" should be used with caution (not extreme caution), but I defer to those with more expertise. Virtually...
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Noel S. McFerran
noel.mcferran@...
Apr 3, 2001 2:51 am
... These are the Garter knights: 1692 James, Prince of Wales (later King James III and VIII) 1692 William Herbert, 1st Duke of Powis 1692 John Drummond, 1st...
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Snapping Turtle
meancooter@...
Apr 3, 2001 3:10 am
Greetings, ... From: Rhonda Richards To: Jacobite@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2025 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [Jacobite] This group ... ST, the same...
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Snapping Turtle
meancooter@...
Apr 3, 2001 3:23 am
Greetings,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel S. McFerran" <noel.mcferran@...>
To: <Jacobite@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:43...
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Rhonda Richards
richardsrs@...
Apr 3, 2001 3:28 am
Snapping Turtle Wrote>>! I haven't either--but from what I've read, the Stewarts seem considerably more interesting and entertaining than their replacements. ...
