Well the old Ruffin, now known as Barefoot Children II, had our first sail which
was a practice race last night. We did OK. We were able to keep up with 3 of the
fleet's longest boats, 39'-48' range, up wind. Had the shrouds set at 900 for
the uppers and 780 on the lowers. The wind was in 7-10 knots range. No scoring
was done. We got smoked downwind by the bigger boats mainly because we only had
the 135 jib. We haven't had time to setup the aysmmetrical. The downwind leg was
more of a broad reach, too bad we did have the spinnaker, it would have been
interesting to see how we would have done.

I was a little surprised to find out I couldn't see the telltails from the
windward side.

That's all for now.

Pat and Roy

Roy: Glad to hear you are underway already. Yes, with the J/28 well trimmed, it
will keep up with some noticeably larger boats in moderate winds.  When the
breeze builds, you may find it harder to keep up with them.

What was your experience with the helm?  I know that you were concerned that it
felt too tight out of the water.  It seemed just fine to me, but you may have
different standards.  On seeing the telltales from the windward side of the
cockpit: I think that the difference is that the J/28, like most J Boats, has
the mast considerably further forward than other sloops, and that's what blocks
the view.

You may have noticed that the boarding ladder is missing a teak tread.  I
removed that tread because it interfered with the sight line to the name on the
transom.  I just discovered the errant tread in my basement as I was going over
stuff to take to my J/40 and realized what it was.  If you want it, let me know
and we'll figure out how to get it to you.

Best to all -- Lenny


--- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "roysail3" <roysail@...> wrote:
>
> Well the old Ruffin, now known as Barefoot Children II, had our first sail
which was a practice race last night. We did OK. We were able to keep up with 3
of the fleet's longest boats, 39'-48' range, up wind. Had the shrouds set at 900
for the uppers and 780 on the lowers. The wind was in 7-10 knots range. No
scoring was done. We got smoked downwind by the bigger boats mainly because we
only had the 135 jib. We haven't had time to setup the aysmmetrical. The
downwind leg was more of a broad reach, too bad we did have the spinnaker, it
would have been interesting to see how we would have done.
>
> I was a little surprised to find out I couldn't see the telltails from the
windward side.
>
> That's all for now.
>
> Pat and Roy
>

Roy: I'm pleased that things are going so well for you folks.  The boat was
certainly due for a new stereo, and now I know (not being a Buffet fan) where
"Barefoot Children" comes from.

Speaking of music, our J/40 is named WATERMUSIC, after the Handel suite, which
is wonderful to play underway in the right conditions.  It's actually WATERMUSIC
VII, but I didn't put the numbers on the transom.  (I wanted to call it RUFFIAN,
but my wife insisted on our well-worn name as a condition of buying the boat,
and I willingly acquiesced.)

My annual schedule is such that May tends to be very busy, sometimes spilling
over into early June, and then I have lots of free time until late August.  So,
I never get my boats into the water before around June 10th.  That date is
probably realistic for the J/40, but I'm hoping it can "kiss the salt" a few
days earlier.  We'll see.

I sailed the J/40 once, on the "delivery" from Camden to Rockland, a distance of
about 10 miles, but it was in light air. The J/40 has a reputation as a great
sailing boat, so I am eager to give it a good workout.  I hope to take it down
to Nantucket later in the summer, so maybe we can meet up on the southern Maine
coast.

Cheers to all -- Lenny



>
> Lenny,
>
>
>
> Interesting view on the the mast being more forward because that was what I
was thinking but wasn't sure. The helm was fine underway, just some retraining
of the brain though going from the tiller to a wheel. Both of us are fine
directly behind the wheel but when we sit on the rail we want to steer in the
wrong direction. The sails seem fine and the shape is good.
>
>
>
> I'm not concerned about the tread, I made up some out of white plastic used on
house trim. Much less expensive then using ShoreBoard or whatever it is called
and probably the same thing. We had the bottom stripped, barrier coated and
repainted with Micron 66. And upgraded the radio and replaced the speakers with
a small Bose system for a laptop computer complete with a small sub woofer. We
did need to put in an inverter for it. Sounds great! Of course the first cd
played was Barometer Soup with the track Barefoot Children in the Rain by Jimmy
Buffet. On the 2nd downwind leg leg of the practice race I fired up the gas
grill and we had shrimp kabobs.
>
>
>
> The boat only got in on last Friday and we have had a couple complimentary
comments about the boat's lines and everyone is curious to see the boat and how
we do. Most have never heard of a J28 so we seem to be a big curiousity item
right now.
>
>
>
> So far we are very happy. I hope to attempt to fly the A Kyte on Tuesday.  I'm
hoping to post some pictures in the next 2-3 weeks.
>
>
>
> Have you tried the J40? A friend has a J42 up in Boothbay. I got to drive it
one day when he had it in Portland. Nice boat.
>
>
>
> Roy
>
>

We had our first real race this past Tuesday night. So far we are still happy.
We were able to keep up with a very well sailed Alerion 28 rated at 171 in winds
that ranged from 10 knots in the middle to 13-14 on the right side. We were boat
for boat upwind and downwind. It was like one design racing. He'd tweak
something and pull ahead, we'd tweak something and stop his gain and maybe gain
on him. Unfortunately for the both of us our other buddy with a baby Beneteau
23.5 was having a very good night and had it tuned and trimmed to perfection and
was using a chute. He beat the both of us on corrected time and finished just
barely ahead of us in both races.

The rig was set a touch lighter on the uppers than the week before, 33 on the
Loos guage for the uppers and 32 on the lower.

Hopefully we will get to play with the A chute this weekend on our way back from
the first overnighter at the Isle of Shoals.

Roy

The belt on our pressure water pump broke over the weekend and I am trying to
figure out how to replace it.

The J28 owners manual states that the pressure water pump is under the sink and
ours is just starboard of the hot water tank under the starboard Lazarette.

I am unable to identify the brand of the pressure water pump and there are no
manuals on the boat that give me any information on the pump so I can seek a
replacement part.

Question:

Does anybody else have their pressure water pump where mine is and can you
identify the manufacturer?

I need to order a replacement belt.  I have enclosed a photo in the photos
section of the water pump.

If this looks like the one you have and you know the manufacterer, please let me
know so I can order a replacement belt to get the pressure water system going.

That being said, I just completed my maiden voyage on our new boat, Spindrift
and needless to say:

I AM A RAVING FAN of the J28. She sails incredibly well and the set up is so
well thought out.

Looking forward seeing some of you guys and the water and thank you all for your
assistance thus far.

Phil

Hi Phil,

Mine is located in the same location and is the same pump.  I believe it is a
Jabsco.  Here is the link to their website (you may have to copy and paste it
into your web browser, I don't think this editor allows links.

http://www.jabsco.com/products/marine-c1/water-pressure-systems/switched-pumps/3\
6950_fresh_water_pump_copy_36950_2_series/iid_2561-item2561/index.htm

Kurt

--- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "Philip" <philipstathos@...> wrote:
>
> The belt on our pressure water pump broke over the weekend and I am trying to
figure out how to replace it.
>
> The J28 owners manual states that the pressure water pump is under the sink
and ours is just starboard of the hot water tank under the starboard Lazarette.
>
> I am unable to identify the brand of the pressure water pump and there are no
manuals on the boat that give me any information on the pump so I can seek a
replacement part.
>
> Question:
>
> Does anybody else have their pressure water pump where mine is and can you
identify the manufacturer?
>
> I need to order a replacement belt.  I have enclosed a photo in the photos
section of the water pump.
>
> If this looks like the one you have and you know the manufacterer, please let
me know so I can order a replacement belt to get the pressure water system
going.
>
> That being said, I just completed my maiden voyage on our new boat, Spindrift
and needless to say:
>
> I AM A RAVING FAN of the J28. She sails incredibly well and the set up is so
well thought out.
>
> Looking forward seeing some of you guys and the water and thank you all for
your assistance thus far.
>
> Phil
>

I put up some pictures today of 2 renditions of installing the tack line. The
Cruising mode picture is how I think it was set up originally using the beads
around the roller furler. I'd recommended using the 2nd jib halyard if you are
going to do it this way so you can do inside gybes.

We are going to use the spinnaker halyard, the anchor roller and do outside
gybes. We tried it Tuesday night in very light wind, launching and retrieving
from the forward hatch and under the jib. Very easy, we had no problems and had
never tried it before. We walked the spinnaker clew around the headstay for the
gybe. Not sure what we will do if waves are breaking over the bow, maybe just go
wing on wing and pole out the jib going fast dead downwind instead trying to do
angles with the A Kyte. We already know this is fast in 10-14 knots of wind. We
will be experimenting though. I'm going to move the roller furler line to the
port side, with the tack line in the starboard side both running down the base
of the stanchions on Harken 40mm stanchion blocks out of the way of the foredeck
person rather than just running straight back along the deck. With the anchor
offset to starboard, it seems to make more sense to run the tack line on
starboard.

Does anyone else fly an asymmetrical? It was certainly a lot easier than using a
symmetrical chute, but hard to really tell in winds that were under 6 knots and
sometimes 0. We did discover we could fill the chute and not have the boat
actually move.

Roy

Nice pictures.  We have been kicking around the idea of an A-sym chute.  Did the
pressure of the spinnaker bend the anchor roller at all?  It looks bent in the
picture.

I also like what you did with the traveller.  I need to do that.  It was blowing
up to 30 this weekend and now my shoulder feels funny.  It is probably from
having to release and then bring back the traveller.  It is a real hassle to
adjust the traveller in heavy air.



--- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "roysail3" <roysail@...> wrote:
>
> I put up some pictures today of 2 renditions of installing the tack line. The
Cruising mode picture is how I think it was set up originally using the beads
around the roller furler. I'd recommended using the 2nd jib halyard if you are
going to do it this way so you can do inside gybes.
>
> We are going to use the spinnaker halyard, the anchor roller and do outside
gybes. We tried it Tuesday night in very light wind, launching and retrieving
from the forward hatch and under the jib. Very easy, we had no problems and had
never tried it before. We walked the spinnaker clew around the headstay for the
gybe. Not sure what we will do if waves are breaking over the bow, maybe just go
wing on wing and pole out the jib going fast dead downwind instead trying to do
angles with the A Kyte. We already know this is fast in 10-14 knots of wind. We
will be experimenting though. I'm going to move the roller furler line to the
port side, with the tack line in the starboard side both running down the base
of the stanchions on Harken 40mm stanchion blocks out of the way of the foredeck
person rather than just running straight back along the deck. With the anchor
offset to starboard, it seems to make more sense to run the tack line on
starboard.
>
> Does anyone else fly an asymmetrical? It was certainly a lot easier than using
a symmetrical chute, but hard to really tell in winds that were under 6 knots
and sometimes 0. We did discover we could fill the chute and not have the boat
actually move.
>
> Roy
>

Hi Fellow J 28 Sailors,
The rudder on my J 28 has some fore and aft play, I am looking for some info on
how to go about getting the material to do the repair or replacing of the
bearing.
I have hull #4 so it is one of the first made, the boat has always been in fresh
water, so that may explain that the problem only shows up now,
Any information will be appreciated.
Hans.
J 28 "Last Dance"

I am a new member to this group but have had my J-28 since 1993. #52. The glass
on both hatches is cracked and needs replacement. I also need to replace some of
the parts for both hatches. Has anyone found a place who has the glass and
parts. We live in NH and sail Renaissance on Lake Winnipesaukee. I have tried
Lewmar with no success. Enjoy the weekend
Frank Hoell

We replaced 3 of our hatches using http://www.selectplastics.com/ in CT.  It is
fairly expensive, but necessary.  If you call them, they will have you remove
your entire hatch, send it to them, and they will remove the lexan from the
hatch, replace it and the caulking, and you can just pop it back on.  It tooks
10 days, so you may want to save it for winter.  It looks better and I am not
concerned with falling through the deck now.

BTW, where do you sail out of - Fays?  I also live in NH but sail out of
Marblehead but used to sail J22s in Lake Winne.

Bob

--- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "J. Smith" <jason3317@...> wrote:
>
> Try Select Plastics;
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "frankhoell" <francishoell@...>
> Sender: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:44:54
> To: <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [J28Sailors] Superhatch problems
>
> I am a new member to this group but have had my J-28 since 1993. #52. The
glass on both hatches is cracked and needs replacement. I also need to replace
some of the parts for both hatches. Has anyone found a place who has the glass
and parts. We live in NH and sail Renaissance on Lake Winnipesaukee. I have
tried Lewmar with no success. Enjoy the weekend
> Frank Hoell
>

--- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jfws88@...> wrote:
>
> FWIW;
>
> Rudder bearing: I also dropped my rudder with the intent of replaceing the
bearing. After I measured everything I found only about 0.010" clearance at the
bearing rudder and decided to live with that. The problem is that the alignment
between the top and bottom bear is just as important if not more than the
bearing clearance. I found that by repacking the bottom bearing and torquing the
cap bolts just right I was able to reduce the slop to an acceptable level and
not produce too much drag. I have great helm feel under sail and my rudder spins
freely. I do need to tighten my cables just a bit.
>
> Hatches. I had Select rebuild my forward and midships hatches this year. Great
job, just under $750 for both. It took me 10 minutes to get the hatches off and
15 min to get them back on. The only other cost was $2.00 for some nylon washers
for hinge spacers from Lowes.
>
>  For all; On the Sail Anarchy web site there is some interesting forums on J
boats and the J28, link attached
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=103174
>
> Jason, How in the world did you get the old bearing out in 1.5 hours. There
had to be a saw involved. My was/is glassed in.
>
>  John
>
> --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Bob Ryan <rryan14@> wrote:
> >
> > I am the midst of a rudder bearing fiasco with my yard that did the job last
> > Spring.  I was originally quoted $1K in labor + parts.  I didn't know what
> > "parts" would mean until I got a $3K bill which including about $1K in
> > custom parts and $2K in labor.  If this were not shocking enough, the yard
> > did a *terrible* job where the wheel barely moved (roughly analogous to
> > having the steering brake on).  Why I even took possession of the the boat
> > is beyond me.  Last weekend, the steering cable broke while leaving the
> > mooring (I suppose it could have been much, much worse), probably because
> > the load was too great.   Supposedly, it is now "fixed" by virtual of
> > shaving down the bearings for a 3rd time.  This remains to be seen & the
> > bill has not yet been paid.  This thing has been such a fiasco.  As bad as
> > it was originally, I would not have fixed the rudder if I had known the true
> > cost.
> >
> > My advice to anyone reading this - is be careful.  Others in this forum have
> > had similar troubles in replacing their rudder bearings (also too tight).
> > There are a lot of things I like about the J/28 - but not the rudder.
> >
> > On the plus side this season, I replaced the mainsail with a flatter sail.
> > What a difference.  The boat is no longer being overpowered.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Bob
> > "Verve" (#24)
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Jason Smith <jason3317@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hans,
> > >
> > > I replaced my rudder bearing winter of 2008-2009.  I chose to use a
> > > material called Vesconite - supposedly better than delrin or nylon as it
is
> > > UV stable and does not absorb water.  We ordered a piece and had a shop
> > > machine to the proper dimensions.  Fitting the bearing was trial and error
> > > (test fit then back to machine shop).  Dropping the rudder was a pain.
> > >
> > > Total cost was ~$1800.  I have pasted my invoice analysis below; let me
> > > know if it does not come through email and I can post the file to Yahoo.
> > >
> > >     Rudder Bearing Labor Unbolt quadrant and packing flange 4.00 $65.00
$260.00
> > >  Drop Rudder 6.00 65.00 390.00  Remove Old Bearing 1.25 65.00 81.25 
Machine
> > > New Bearing 1.00 125.00 125.00  Test Fit Rudder with Bearing 1.00 65.00
65.00
> > >  Install Rudder 9.50 65.00 617.50  *Total Rudder Labor* *22.75 * * *
*$1,538.75
> > > * ** ** ** ** ** Rudder Bearing Materials Vesconite Bearing 1.00 168.75
168.75
> > >  Shipping 1.00 21.35 21.35  Flax Packing 3.00 1.65 4.95  Set Screws 2.00
0.90
> > > 1.80  *Total Rudder Parts and Mats* *7.00 * * * *$196.85 *
> > >
> > >  On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:50 PM, andersenhans15 <hansandsharon@>wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Fellow J 28 Sailors,
> > >> The rudder on my J 28 has some fore and aft play, I am looking for some
> > >> info on how to go about getting the material to do the repair or
replacing
> > >> of the bearing.
> > >> I have hull #4 so it is one of the first made, the boat has always been
in
> > >> fresh water, so that may explain that the problem only shows up now,
> > >> Any information will be appreciated.
> > >> Hans.
> > >> J 28 "Last Dance"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I decided to bump this up to the top. We're up to 41 members which I think means
39 boats. Where are you, please update the hull #'s when if you get a chance. It
is in the database. Don't try the excel file it doesn't work.

John

--- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jfws88@...> wrote:
>
> Plan B, I added the table in the database everyone should be able in to input
there.
>
> I couldn't edit the spreadsheet either.
>
> John
>
> --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "J. Smith" <jason3317@> wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't able to edit as well. John, if you are not able to manage the excel
file...I can do it for you.
> >
> > #69
> > Compass Rose
> > Charleston, SC
> > Jason Smith
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Kurt" <kbianculli@>
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:00:38
> > To: <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [J28Sailors] Re: Hull #'s
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Good idea, but the file is read only for the rest of us (or at least me), so
we can't edit it.
> >
> > If you can change it (since you posted it, hopefully you can) my info is
> > Hull #71, Boat Name - Evangeline II, Name - Kurt Bianculli, Hail Port -
Marblehead, MA
> >
> > --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jfws88@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To All,
> > >
> > > I was reviewing this site and realized that we have 33 members
representing 31 J28's. That's pretty good considering the site has been up for
less than a year and there were only 71 boats built 22 years ago.
> > >
> > > I'd love to see what hull numbers we have. I inserted an excel file in the
file shareing page and it woud be great if everyone could go on put their
information in.
> > >
> >
>

I just joined the group. I have hull #2. I have owned it since 1991 and sail in
the Annapolis area.

Steve