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#477 From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona@...>
Date: Thu Jan 2, 2003 5:10 am
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virus.


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#478 From: aubergine_dreams
Date: Wed Jan 8, 2003 2:51 am
Subject: We are being hit by the Porn Bots 		aubergine_dr...
  
But I am kicking them as soon as they arrive, I am hoping if I
continue to do this, it will send a message to the "perp" and we
shall not have to deal with this anymore. I have banned a total of 7
accounts in the past week alone!

Cilean

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#479 From: "Denise Robello <drobello@...>" <drobello@...>
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: We are being hit by the Porn Bots 		threadwalker
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Thank you!!!

-Ascelin

--- In italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com, aubergine_dreams
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> But I am kicking them as soon as they arrive, I am hoping if I
> continue to do this, it will send a message to the "perp" and we
> shall not have to deal with this anymore. I have banned a total of
7
> accounts in the past week alone!
>
> Cilean

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#480 From: "Mary Connelly" <bunnymom@...>
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:51 pm
Subject: bodice question 		peterbenma
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In the Italian Ren style, are full bodices (to the waist) period as are the ones
that come to just under the bust? I mean with it straight across, not in a "v".

On the gown I am working on, I was thinking about having a longer bodice (mainly
so that I have more of the bodice fabric) I like the contrast so much!

Thanks!

mary


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#481 From: "Barbara Lewis <yeol_zoo@...>" <yeol_zoo@...>
Date: Fri Jan 10, 2003 9:23 pm
Subject: Just joined 		barb_nadine
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Hi, I'm Barbara and I just joined this list to see what I could see
and learn something. :) I've been costuming for just a few years and
am no expert but I am learning as I go. 15th century Italian dresses
just caught my interest and so I've got to make one!!! hehe. Right
now I'm interested in reproducing a gown similar to the one depicted
in the painting by Domenico Ghirlandaio: Visitation (the woman with
the gold embroidered giornea)

I've been given a few clues so far and I have already tried one
pattern idea out for a bodice to the dress but I need to work on it
a bit more to make it fit a little better. Any suggestions or leads
would be very helpful. I was already informed that there is a
wonderful book out there by Jacqueline Herald but I haven't had
sucess finding it at the local library. I'm guessing that this is to
be expected with this book due to it's rarity. :/

Thanks,
Barbara

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#482 From: Mistress Huette <mistresshuette@...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 1:54 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] bodice question 		mistresshuette
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Yes.  It all depends on what city you are from.  Some
had the high waistline and some had a more natural
wasteline.  If you want to document it, it is fun to
do research! You learn so much.  Look at paintings.
There are at least two costume books on the subject.

Birbari, Elizabeth.
   Dress in Italian painting, 1460-1500 / Elizabeth
Birbari. -- London : J. Murray, [1975]
   xi, 114 p., [18] leaves of plates : ill. ; 23 cm.
   ISBN 0719524237

Herald, Jacqueline.
   Renaissance dress in Italy 1400-1500 / Jacqueline
Herald. -- London : Bell &  Hyman, 1981.
   256 p. : ill. ; 28 cm. -- (The History of dress
series ; 2)
ISBN 0713512946

These are out-of-print, but I think you can find them
in libraries.  If not your local ones, then borrow
them through InterLibrary Loan.

Good luck!  Have fun!

Huette

--- Mary Connelly <bunnymom@...> wrote:
> In the Italian Ren style, are full bodices (to the
> waist) period as are the ones that come to just
> under the bust? I mean with it straight across, not
> in a "v".
>
> On the gown I am working on, I was thinking about
> having a longer bodice (mainly so that I have more
> of the bodice fabric) I like the contrast so much!
>
> Thanks!
>
> mary
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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#483 From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona@...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 1:58 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] bodice question 		bella_lucia_...
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--- Mary Connelly <bunnymom@...> wrote:

In the Italian Ren style, are full bodices (to the
waist) period as are the ones that come to just under
the bust? I mean with it straight across, not in a "v"

On the gown I am working on, I was thinking about
having a longer bodice (mainly so that I have more of
the bodice fabric) I like the contrast so much!<<<<<


Hi Mary, sorry to answer so vaguely, but "Italian Ren"
is so broad a topic that it really depends on
1. what your aims are re "authenticity". Depending on
your answer to that:

2. What specific time and place within Italy you are
wanting to fit into.



Bella



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#484 From: Mistress Huette <mistresshuette@...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:00 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Just joined 		mistresshuette
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--- "Barbara Lewis <yeol_zoo@...>"
<yeol_zoo@...> wrote:

> I was already informed that
> there is a
> wonderful book out there by Jacqueline Herald but I
> haven't had
> sucess finding it at the local library. I'm guessing
> that this is to
> be expected with this book due to it's rarity. :/
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>

Not so much its rarity as that it is out of print.

I just checked my inter-library catalog and have
counted 50 libraries that have a copy of this.
Remember that there is such a beast as Inter-Library
Loan.  Use it!

Herald, Jacqueline.
   Renaissance dress in Italy 1400-1500 / Jacqueline
Herald. -- London : Bell &  Hyman, 1981.
   256 p. : ill. ; 28 cm. -- (The History of dress
series ; 2)
   ISBN 0713512946

Good luck!

Huette

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#485 From: "Mary Connelly" <bunnymom@...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 2:48 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] bodice question 		peterbenma
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Not really looking for a specific area, just a longer bodice, no matter waht
area of Italy it comes from.  Sorry to be so vague.  I have seen a few portraits
but with the ladies usually sitting, I have a hard time figuring out what they
are wearing at times.

I don't need my gown to be absolutely period as it is not for a competition.  I
would like to be close to correct, though.


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#486 From: "Barbara Lewis <yeol_zoo@...>" <yeol_zoo@...>
Date: Sat Jan 11, 2003 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Just joined 		barb_nadine
Send Email Send Email
  
Yes, I had seen where it was out of print. And I had also seen a
comment by someone who had acctually obtained a copy for herself and
had mentioned how difficult it was to get. I was basing my comment
off of this and the fact that my library on an initial check did not
have a copy.

I wasn't suggesting that i was going to make others work for me. I
definately will be hitting the books. Rest assured. I was looking
for suggestions from others who have already been there and perhaps
some tips that would help me out. I imagine that there is
misinformation out there for italian ren as there is for other time
periods/places. I thought I would ask here since I figured some of
you would have already come across this.

Thanks for your comments
Barbara

--- In italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com, Mistress Huette
<mistresshuette@y...> wrote:

> Not so much its rarity as that it is out of print.
>
> I just checked my inter-library catalog and have
> counted 50 libraries that have a copy of this.
> Remember that there is such a beast as Inter-Library
> Loan.  Use it!
>
> Herald, Jacqueline.
>   Renaissance dress in Italy 1400-1500 / Jacqueline
> Herald. -- London : Bell &  Hyman, 1981.
>   256 p. : ill. ; 28 cm. -- (The History of dress
> series ; 2)
>   ISBN 0713512946
>
> Good luck!
>
> Huette
>

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#487 From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona@...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:27 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] bodice question 		bella_lucia_...
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--- Mary Connelly <bunnymom@...> wrote:

Not really looking for a specific area, just a longer
bodice, no matter waht area of Italy it comes from.
Sorry to be so vague. I have seen a few portraits but
with the ladies usually sitting, I have a hard time
figuring out what they are wearing at times.

I don't need my gown to be absolutely period as it is
not for a competition. I would like to be close to
correct, though.<<<<<<<<


Ok, next question: what bit of the "Italian
Renaissance" (1330 - 1550 or thereabouts) are you
wanting to re-create? Or does it not matter for your
purposes?


Bella


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#488 From: "Mary Connelly" <bunnymom@...>
Date: Sun Jan 12, 2003 5:55 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] bodice question 		peterbenma
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Hi Bella!

I am very fond of the later period Italian.  I have tended to gravitate toward
anything from about 1530 and on.

The style I have in my head (not sure if it is period) is the full skirt from
the waist down, a bodice that is plain, laced under the arms, with detachable
sleeves or maybe sleeves that are just barely attached at the shoulder towards
the top back, if that makes sense. I like the idea of plenty of range of
movement.
The bodice would have a squared neckline and would have tucks/pleats at the
waistline to help support the breast and would have boning at the areas of
lacing.  Does this description help?

I am basing my idea off of the Eleanora of Toledo waistline and bodice but
without the lacing and pearls at the shoulders.. just doing the regular top for
a bodice. I am taking the skirt from most portraits that you see with plenty of
fullness at the waist and down. The sleeves seem to be normally done with the
way I described. Kind of like your basic Venetian (VERY basic) and lengthening
the bodice, side lacing and dropping the waist to the natural line instead of it
being so high.

As you know, I am still learning and I do have quite a hard time making out
details for sewing most of the time.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Bella
   To: italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:27 PM
   Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] bodice question


   --- Mary Connelly <bunnymom@...> wrote:

   Not really looking for a specific area, just a longer
   bodice, no matter waht area of Italy it comes from.
   Sorry to be so vague. I have seen a few portraits but
   with the ladies usually sitting, I have a hard time
   figuring out what they are wearing at times.

   I don't need my gown to be absolutely period as it is
   not for a competition. I would like to be close to
   correct, though.<<<<<<<<


   Ok, next question: what bit of the "Italian
   Renaissance" (1330 - 1550 or thereabouts) are you
   wanting to re-create? Or does it not matter for your
   purposes?


   Bella


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#489 From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona@...>
Date: Mon Jan 13, 2003 12:57 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] bodice question 		bella_lucia_...
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--- Mary Connelly <bunnymom@...> wrote:

Hi Bella!

I am very fond of the later period Italian. I have
tended to gravitate toward anything from about 1530
and on.

The style I have in my head (not sure if it is period)
is the full skirt from the waist down, a bodice that
is plain, laced under the arms, with detachable
sleeves or maybe sleeves that are just barely attached
at the shoulder towards the top back, if that makes
sense. I like the idea of plenty of range of movement.


The bodice would have a squared neckline and would
have tucks/pleats at the waistline to help support the
breast and would have boning at the areas of lacing.
Does this description help?

I am basing my idea off of the Eleanora of Toledo
waistline and bodice but without the lacing and pearls
at the shoulders.. just doing the regular top for a
bodice. I am taking the skirt from most portraits that
you see with plenty of fullness at the waist and down.
The sleeves seem to be normally done with the way I
described. Kind of like your basic Venetian (VERY
basic) and lengthening the bodice, side lacing and
dropping the waist to the natural line instead of it
being so high.<<<<<<<<


The tricky thing to incorporate will be your "basic"
sleeves. Your description fits the Florence of the
1540s - 50s, except for the sleeves, and a partlet.

If you didn't mind incorporating a slight dip to the
bodice front, you could do Venetian of the same time
period, without the front lacing:

<http://au.geocities.com/bella_lucia_da_verona/countesslivia.JPG>

Mostly a partlet was also worn.

Your sleeves could be like these:
<http://au.geocities.com/bella_lucia_da_verona/ven14.jpg>
<http://au.geocities.com/bella_lucia_da_verona/FolTintoretto1550.JPG>

The only thing with Venetian is the V in back, but
since you don't want it to be completely period a
straight waistline seam in back will still look good.



Bella




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#490 From: Ciar inghean ui Fhothaidh <kiarapanther1@...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:33 am
Subject: Ghirlandaio's Visitaion was Just joined 		kiarapanther1
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Hi Barbara,

I'm also currently working on this dress.  I found some wonderful brocade this
weekend for the Gold giornea.  I will post pics soon.  Im getting crazy with the
research and already have a lot of ideas.  Im at work right now, but will try to
get back to you soon with some tips I have learned already.

--Kiara

  "Barbara Lewis <yeol_zoo@...>" <yeol_zoo@...> wrote:Hi, I'm
Barbara and I just joined this list to see what I could see
and learn something. :) I've been costuming for just a few years and
am no expert but I am learning as I go. 15th century Italian dresses
just caught my interest and so I've got to make one!!! hehe. Right
now I'm interested in reproducing a gown similar to the one depicted
in the painting by Domenico Ghirlandaio: Visitation (the woman with
the gold embroidered giornea)

I've been given a few clues so far and I have already tried one
pattern idea out for a bodice to the dress but I need to work on it
a bit more to make it fit a little better. Any suggestions or leads
would be very helpful. I was already informed that there is a
wonderful book out there by Jacqueline Herald but I haven't had
sucess finding it at the local library. I'm guessing that this is to
be expected with this book due to it's rarity. :/

Thanks,
Barbara


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#491 From: "Barbara Lewis <yeol_zoo@...>" <yeol_zoo@...>
Date: Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:12 am
Subject: Re: Ghirlandaio's Visitaion was Just joined 		barb_nadine
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Kiara,
The gold sounds lovely! How exciting! I was begining to think that
this was not such a popular item for some costumers. I've decided to
make mine from white brocade with gold trim. And I am researching
how common it was for a winter weight giornea to exist. Most of the
documentation I have found they are summer weight only. If I can
find enough evidence for it, it may have to get lined with fur.

Barbara

I can't wait to see pictures!

--- In italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com, Ciar inghean ui
Fhothaidh <kiarapanther1@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi Barbara,
>
> I'm also currently working on this dress.  I found some wonderful
brocade this weekend for the Gold giornea.  I will post pics soon.
Im getting crazy with the research and already have a lot of ideas.
Im at work right now, but will try to get back to you soon with some
tips I have learned already.
>
> --Kiara
>

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#492 From: Cilean_69
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:46 pm
Subject: Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		Cilean_69
  
Okay I have washed my Lavender twill and my teal green accent color.

I have only 8 yards of this really great trim that matches my colors
perfectly, so I am going to add it to the bottom of my dress roughly
12 inches from the bottom here is the example of what I want it to be.

http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.ht
ml

I am going to add the teal green about the bodice in place of the
trim.

So because this will be a nice camping dress, I am not lining it, I
am cartridge pleating it with a couple of pieces of flannel to make
the pleats pop.

Since this dress is to be washable I am doing more on fabric, so I
might paint on the fabric as a way to make the bodice stand out.

Well that is all I have for now!

Cilean

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#493 From: "Mary Connelly" <bunnymom@...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:58 pm
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		peterbenma
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This gown is stunning!!!  Thanks for posting the picture.  I am sure that your
gown is going to be lovely. Please post pictures as soon as you are finished.

Mary

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#494 From: "Carolle M Cox" <hpockets@...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		stormdancer7...
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<sob>  I couldn't see  it.  Got some Apple page saying i'd messed up!
Twice!

Gerita


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To: <italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my
Florentine Camping Gown


> This gown is stunning!!!  Thanks for posting the picture.  I am sure that
your gown is going to be lovely. Please post pictures as soon as you are
finished.
>
> Mary
>
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#495 From: Giuliana di Grazia <juliana916@...>
Date: Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		juliana916
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Gerita,
You'll probably need to type in or paste the last few letters of the URL to get
it to come up. I did and it worked fine.
Giuliana
  Carolle M Cox <hpockets@...> wrote:<sob>  I couldn't see  it.  Got some
Apple page saying i'd messed up!
Twice!

Gerita


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To: <italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my
Florentine Camping Gown


> This gown is stunning!!!  Thanks for posting the picture.  I am sure that
your gown is going to be lovely. Please post pictures as soon as you are
finished.
>
> Mary
>
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#496 From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona@...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:50 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		bella_lucia_...
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This dress sounds like it will be gorgeous! Good luck
with it, and please keep us posted. :)


Bella


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#497 From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona@...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 12:52 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		bella_lucia_...
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--- Carolle M Cox <hpockets@...> wrote:

<sob> I couldn't see it. Got some Apple page saying
i'd messed up!
Twice!<<<<<<


Try this:

<http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.html>


Bella



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#498 From: "Carolle M Cox" <hpockets@...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		stormdancer7...
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Got it!!  Now what was the difference that i could see it this time?

Lovely, lovely dress.  Are you going to do all that embroidery by hand?

Gerita

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To: <italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my
Florentine Camping Gown


> --- Carolle M Cox <hpockets@...> wrote:
>
> <sob> I couldn't see it. Got some Apple page saying
> i'd messed up!
> Twice!<<<<<<
>
>
> Try this:
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#499 From: "Barbara Lewis <yeol_zoo@...>" <yeol_zoo@...>
Date: Thu Jan 16, 2003 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		barb_nadine
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WOW! Those sleeves! That sound like it's going to be gorgeous!

Barbara

--- In italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com, Cilean_69
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> Okay I have washed my Lavender twill and my teal green accent color.
>
> I have only 8 yards of this really great trim that matches my
colors
> perfectly, so I am going to add it to the bottom of my dress
roughly
> 12 inches from the bottom here is the example of what I want it to
be.
>
>
http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.ht
> ml
>
> I am going to add the teal green about the bodice in place of the
> trim.
>
> So because this will be a nice camping dress, I am not lining it, I
> am cartridge pleating it with a couple of pieces of flannel to make
> the pleats pop.
>
> Since this dress is to be washable I am doing more on fabric, so I
> might paint on the fabric as a way to make the bodice stand out.
>
> Well that is all I have for now!
>
> Cilean

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#500 From: "HL Catherine de Gray <sister_dark_swan@...>" <sister_dark_swan@...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:04 am
Subject: Re: Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		sister_dark_...
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Cilean, I'm doing Florentines for "outside" garb too, LOL!! Yes,
let's take over West Kingdom with Florentines! Sounds lovely. I'm
doing a navy with crimson trim/ guarding, and perhaps a crimson with
black if I have enough of the red leftover. Wheee! Are you doing the
tassels on the ends of your sleeve ties (the draw-string type bag
sleeves)? If so, do you or anyone else here have tips on how to do
this? I'm thinking there are lots of small tassels in the drapery
and trim sections at Joann's and Hancock's but I'm not sure how
to "thread" them through the casing in the sleeve openings. Draw the
cord through first, then stitch the tassels to the ends of the cord?
Musings... Yay! More Italians!

http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/sheppard/396/4187cd40.jpg

HL Catherine de Gray

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#501 From: "HL Catherine de Gray <sister_dark_swan@...>" <sister_dark_swan@...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 1:07 am
Subject: d'oh... 		sister_dark_...
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...and then I realize I am doing much *earlier* Florentines than
your gorgous gown...  LOL  Still, if anyone has tips on the sleeve-
tassels, etc, cool beans.  ;)

CdG

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#502 From: Bella <bella_lucia_da_verona@...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:02 am
Subject: Re: [Italian Renaissance Costuming] Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		bella_lucia_...
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--- Carolle M Cox <hpockets@...> wrote:

Got it!! Now what was the difference that i could see
it this time?<<<<<<

I put the addy between carets(?) < >

<http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor7.html>

which usually forces the addy to stay together on one
line.


Bella


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#503 From: Cilean_69
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 7:16 am
Subject: Re: d'oh...HOney if I had a dime......!!! 		Cilean_69
  
It is okay!

I am not doing the sleeves exactly becuase I want this dress to be
washable. So I am doing a simpler sleeve with like ribbons of color
down each, so that it can all be washed.


I don't think I will bead this dress but I think I want to add
something along the neckline. In the photo it has this lovely
embroidery, I do have this lovely trim but only 8 yards, if I don't
do cartridge pleating, I could box or knife pleat 7 yards into my
waistband and then have enough of the trim to go about my neckline. I
am just trying various things at the moment.

Cilean

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#504 From: "Denise Robello <drobello@...>" <drobello@...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		threadwalker
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--- In italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com, "HL Catherine de
Gray <sister_dark_swan@y...>"
>Wheee! Are you doing the
> tassels on the ends of your sleeve ties (the draw-string type bag
> sleeves)? If so, do you or anyone else here have tips on how to do
> this?

I needed tassels fast for several garments based on Raphael's
portraits from the first quarter of the century.

I had my cord or string that I wanted to attach the tassel to. The
bottom few inches of cord/string were unravelled into two separate
strands. I bought the strip of tassel trim. cut the tassel off the
trim, leaving the strand that runs through the center of the tassel
to attach it to the trim intact. And then I performed "tassel
surgery". I carefully pried off the piece of plastic bound around it
and used the strand that hung it from the trim to help opwn it up in
the middle. Now it's a pile of strands, which get laid on one of the
cord/string tails.

The tassel is going to become part of the cord at it's termination.
It will "straddle" both tails. So it's laid on top of the first tail,
like the cross bar on a "plus" sign. The second tail goes on top of
the tassel. The tassel is now sandwiched between the cord tails. The
tails have to make a "u-turn" and cross each other, encircling the
tassel. They then go back up the shaft of the cord and stick out up
there for a while. Then I used heavy thread to bind the cinch point
on the tassel, so it clamps the cord tails. With a long needle, I
pused the thread through the cord to a point above the tassel and
started to "wrap" the tails (which are sticking up) to the cord. Even
though the thread gets knotted and tied off, I've found that wear and
tear can be tough, so I use a dab of super glue to prevent the end of
the thread from working loose or snapping.

This was a lot harder to describe than I thought. I wonder if it
makes any sense.

Ascelin

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#505 From: "n2kye <webwarren@...>" <webwarren@...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Okay I am beginning my Florentine Camping Gown 		n2kye
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--- In italianrenaissancecostuming@yahoogroups.com, "Denise Robello
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> ...The tassel is now sandwiched between the cord tails. The
> tails have to make a "u-turn" and cross each other, encircling the
> tassel. They then go back up the shaft of the cord and stick out up
> there for a while. Then I used heavy thread to bind the cinch point
> on the tassel, so it clamps the cord tails. With a long needle, I
> pused the thread through the cord to a point above the tassel and
> started to "wrap" the tails (which are sticking up) to the cord.

> ...This was a lot harder to describe than I thought. I wonder if it
> makes any sense.

That finishing (wrapping the tails with the thread) is known
as "whipping" the end of a cord. What you're doing is inserting the
tassel back into the unraveled cable of cord, turning the ends back,
and whipping them for strength and security.

It makes perfect sense.


Brenda
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#506 From: "HL Catherine de Gray <sister_dark_swan@...>" <sister_dark_swan@...>
Date: Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: tassels (was Florentine gowns) 		sister_dark_...
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I *think* it makes sense... lol... it'll make sense to Anastacia if
I tell her.  :-) Cool beans. I really think its a neat look to have
the tassels/ drawstring sleeves, expecially when you tie it together
with having the big tassels on the belt.

~ CdG

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