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#2178 From: Bob Burns W9RXR <w9rxr_@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 2:40 am
Subject: Re: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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At 04:50 PM 12/3/2009, Greg wrote:
>I would say that the ICS (NIMS) courses are mandatory for ARES, Red
>Cross and MARS.

Are you saying that this training is mandatory for ARES? By whose
authority? Funny that we don't see anything from the ARRL Indiana
Section Manager or the ARRL Indiana Section Emergency Coordinator
about mandatory training. The last word from the SM about training
was in his September 2009 newsletter where he said the following:

"By now you should have seen or heard of the new training program for
ARES. There have been some comments about it and it is being
constantly updated by Tony as suggestions come in from different individuals."

The Indiana DHS Ham Team group has since rolled out a training
program consisting of a series of Power Point presentations. They are
recommending that local RACES and ARES groups follow this training.
The Indiana SEC (the "Tony" referred to above) collaborated with the
Indiana DHS Ham Team in developing these presentations. But that's
the extent of the training effort I've seen coming from the Indiana
ARES organization.

>Depending on the county, ARES can require similar levels of training
>just to stay in active status.

I have no doubt that's true in some part of the country. I just
haven't seen a big training push on the part of Indiana ARES.

I won't deny that training for volunteers is a good idea. I've
completed some of the FEMA ICS courses myself. While disaster
volunteers need to understand ICS, the volunteers serving as
communicators really need communications training and they won't get
that from just ICS courses. As Mr. Wolford points out, his experience
as a communicator would be much more valuable to me if I were an ARES
team leader than proof of his completion of ICS courses.

At 12:52 PM 12/3/2009, Greg wrote:
>First off, I do not speak for the Red Cross, ARES or any other organization.

So, then, who are you? You have made some bold statements, but you
haven't identified where you are coming from with these statements.
If you don't speak for ARES or "other organizations", then who are
you speaking for? Yourself?

Again, I'll ask for your callsign. And, if applicable, what position
do you hold in public safety or disaster relief?

Bob...

#2177 From: "n9wvv" <circusman61@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 11:18 pm
Subject: Dinner for Dec 19 at 700 pm
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Dinner for Dec 19 will be at
Grays Cafeteria
555 South Indiana St
Mooresville,In 46158

The place has very good food.
It is just some ham's getting together to talk and eat some good food all is
welcome. It would be nice to see a big group of ham there.

#2176 From: "KB9BVN" <kb9bvn@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 10:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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> Don't get arrogant. Any Ham can be a Spontaneous Volunteer in a DRO.

Greg, take your own advice.

> Do you realize how fast you could create a CNN moment? Yes we talk with
> each other, often daily. But do I really know you? We just had a
> 26 year old female from Fountain county convicted of sexually molesting
> her cousin's child. One would expect cousins to know each other even >
> better than Amatuer radio operators would each other.

Who cares if I create a CNN moment?

> Try the background investigation for a State job. Or even a SECRET
> clearance. We even now require information to get a drivers license. We >
> no longer live in small towns, people move frequently.

Who is this WE you keep talking about?  Greg, you need to whittle down that
big brush you're trying to paint everyone with.

> The facts of life is that the American people are no longer a moral
> population. All of the things that used to make us behave (family, church,
> community) have been marginalized. You may still live by the old ways,
> most Americans see that lifestyle as foolishness.

They is?  Say who?  Says you?  Speaking of foolishness...

> Yes, everybody has to do background checks. You have to have ID just to
> vote. In many cases how do we even know that you are who you
> say you are?

Well I know you aren't stupid enough to think that just having an ID card
makes you legitimate.   Think ACORN.

What's your callsign there Greg?

73 de KB9BVN
Co-Moderator

#2175 From: Alex Whitaker <ehscott@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 10:57 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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Mike,
 
I work in public safety communications, and have for several years.  After Hurricane Katrina in 2005, everything changed regarding communications during disaster, as well as how agencies, along with amateur radio ops, respond to disasters.  The National Incident Management System (NIMS) was created.  It has standardized response procedures, a standardized command framework, as well as communications standards. 
 
The reason that NIMS was invented was to avoid the communications and response weirdness that hampered the evacuation and recovery from Katrina.  With standards that all responders follow, the response from all agencies is the same.  Command and communications are established, along with all the other logistical, financial, etc considerations at a disaster scene, and everyone knows their place within the structure.  All public safety agencies are already, or are in the process of becoming, NIMS compliant.  NIMS compliance is mandatory in order to get federal funds for interoperability, etc. 
 
Standardized procedures make for a better response from everyone in time of trouble.  I don't believe that these are being "crammed" down anyone's throats.  It's just a new, better way of doing business.  Those who learn NIMS, which is undoubtedly behind the Red Cross's rules, are better prepared to help when needed, as they know their place in the response framework. 
 
A well trained volunteer amateur operator is a help, not a hindrance.  Plus, I believe that the training can weed out the folks who are only looking for an adrenaline rush instead of showing up to help. 
 
My $.02,
 
Alex
AA9XY
 


--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Mike Wolford <mwolford@...> wrote:

From: Mike Wolford <mwolford@...>
Subject: RE: [IndyHamRadio] Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
To: IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:39 PM

 

>>> For MARS it is not only the NIMS courses but MARS Basic Training, MARS 101 plus so many hours of net participation to include being net control.
That astounds me!  I ran AEM1AGG in Germany for several years.  We were the net control station on 19.0225, and a strong participant in the 14.665 net.  My station averaged 300 phone patches a month.  Messages (Marsgrams) easily doubled that number.  I had people that cared, that were well trained (I did what I could!), and they didn’t have to have a special ID card OR take a special test, to operate with tremendous efficiency.

 

What I see happening, is the volunteer is becoming, way over-regulated, over-controlled, over-TOLD >how< to “volunteer”, and DEFINITELY over harassed, and many times over-embarrassed.

 

Greg, you seem to be fairly knowledgeable about all of these qualifications that are being crammed down the amateur radio operators (and other “volunteers”) throats.  Who are you, and just where do you fit in to the scheme of things?  I noticed that you skipped over Bob’s question about your callsign…

 

Mike N5CEC

 


#2174 From: "Mike Wolford" <mwolford@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 10:39 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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>>> For MARS it is not only the NIMS courses but MARS Basic Training, MARS 101 plus so many hours of net participation to include being net control.
That astounds me!  I ran AEM1AGG in Germany for several years.  We were the net control station on 19.0225, and a strong participant in the 14.665 net.  My station averaged 300 phone patches a month.  Messages (Marsgrams) easily doubled that number.  I had people that cared, that were well trained (I did what I could!), and they didn’t have to have a special ID card OR take a special test, to operate with tremendous efficiency.

 

What I see happening, is the volunteer is becoming, way over-regulated, over-controlled, over-TOLD >how< to “volunteer”, and DEFINITELY over harassed, and many times over-embarrassed.

 

Greg, you seem to be fairly knowledgeable about all of these qualifications that are being crammed down the amateur radio operators (and other “volunteers”) throats.  Who are you, and just where do you fit in to the scheme of things?  I noticed that you skipped over Bob’s question about your callsign…

 

Mike N5CEC

 


#2173 From: "Greg" <greg.dean@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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I would say that the ICS (NIMS) courses are mandatory for ARES, Red Cross and
MARS.  There are now higher standards of training for all of these
organizations.

For MARS it is not only the NIMS courses but MARS Basic Training, MARS 101 plus
so many hours of net participation to include being net control.

Depending on the county, ARES can require similar levels of training just to
stay in active status.

Red Cross re-did all of their courses after Katrina.  Volunteers are expected to
have the NIMS courses, "Fulfilling our Mission", Sheltering (operations and
simulation), Mass Care, Client Casework and several other courses.

Training has also increased for those in the military, in government and even
police reservists.

Maybe your county EC is not holding your ARES members to the standards required.

--- In IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com, Bob Burns W9RXR <w9rxr_@...> wrote:
>
> At 01:09 PM 12/3/2009, Greg wrote:
>
> >ARES requires higher standards.
>
> Really? I haven't seen any evidence of that at the state level or in
> my county other than some suggestions to complete FEMA ICS training.
>
> Bob...
>
> P.S. What's your callsign?
>

#2172 From: Bob Burns W9RXR <w9rxr_@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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At 01:09 PM 12/3/2009, Greg wrote:

>ARES requires higher standards.

Really? I haven't seen any evidence of that at the state level or in
my county other than some suggestions to complete FEMA ICS training.

Bob...

P.S. What's your callsign?

#2171 From: "Greg" <greg.dean@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:52 pm
Subject: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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First off, I do not speak for the Red Cross, ARES or any other organization.

Second, everyone is contracting out investigation.  Most of the background
checks done by the Federal Government (SECRET, TS clearances) are being
conducted by Special Agents who are contract employees.

Just remember that there are huge databases out there with all of your financial
information, your medical records and other information about you.  All
controlled by private industry.  BTW, would you really want your medical records
to be controlled by the government or a private firm?

Third, the use of Spontaneous Volunteers (SV) has a long histroy in groups like
the Red Cross or Salvation Army.  During a disaster, you will get lots of
volunteers and no time for a background check.  Hams can be SVs. Therefore if
you want to volunteer, go a head.

--- In IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com, Vernon NA9L <na9l@...> wrote:
>
> I do not mind the back ground check as I have had 3 of them in the last10
yrs  due to my past employer BUT the back ground checks were done via a Police
Dept. not a private org The RC uses a Hired private org.   This Private
org keeps file on them in there own data base NOW just how safe is that? that
is what I object to along with the credit checks.
>
> Vernon Austermiller NA9L
> American Radio Relay League
> Net Manager Region 9 cycle 1 & 2
>
> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Greg <greg.dean@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Greg <greg.dean@...>
> Subject: [IndyHamRadio] Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
> To: IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:21 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Don't get arrogant. Any Ham can be a Spontaneous Volunteer in a DRO.
>
> Do you realize how fast you could create a CNN moment? Yes we talk with each
other, often daily. But do I really know you? We just had a 26 year old female
from Fountain county convicted of sexually molesting her cousin's child. One
would expect cousins to know each other even better than Amatuer radio operators
would each other.
>
> Try the background investigation for a State job. Or even a SECRET clearance.
We even now require information to get a drivers license. We no longer live in
small towns, people move frequently.
>
> The facts of life is that the American people are no longer a moral
population. All of the things that used to make us behave (family, church,
community) have been marginalized. You may still live by the old ways, most
Americans see that lifestyle as foolishness.
>
> Yes, everybody has to do background checks. You have to have ID just to vote.
In many cases how do we even know that you are who you say you are?
>
> Look, I grew up in small town America. Everyone knew my family back three
generations. If I went to vote, the folks at the polls knew my family. One's
word was one's bond. But that all died in the 1970s.
>
> You can still volunteer during a disaster. But you will be limited to being a
spontaneous volunteer. And it is even worst if you work with the police or fire
departments as a volunteer. If they do not really know you, they will not trust
you.
>
> --- In IndyHamRadio@ yahoogroups. com, "Mike Wolford" <mwolford@ .> wrote:
> >
> > >>> As a spontaneous volunteer, you are asked to please follow these
> > guidelines:
> >
> >
> >
> > So, the Red Cross has alienated a whole bunch of Amateur radio folks ---
> > people whose identity is known, people that talk with one another every day.
> > But then they are "asking" that somebody off of the street will do something
> > like stay away from the money.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, that all still makes good sense to me (dripping sarcasm). And folks
> > wonder why I have no interest in amateur radio anymore --- well, I probably
> > don't have the right color ID card for that. sheesh!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Wolford N5CEC
> >
> > Spencer IN
> >
>

#2170 From: "Greg" <greg.dean@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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Again, I do not speak for Red Cross, ARES or any other group.

All I am saying is that this is universal.  The world changed after 9-11 and
Katrina.  Standards are higher.

So you were a SIGINTer.  You know the drill.  Now that is becoming normal for
disasters.  If you do not want to play by the rules, fine.  But you will be on
the outside looking in.  And it is not the Red Cross that requires such measures
but the federal government.

How do you think you will be treated by local law enforcement?  So what if you
are a "Former" intel geek (SIGINT).  The thing is that was in the past.  No one
knows you now.

ARES requires higher standards.  So does MARS.  And Red Cross, a long with a lot
of other volunteer groups, is being forced to meet the same standards.  If
anything CNN now has more power to make or break even the military than what you
dealt with when you wore the green suit.

Again, the world has changed due to 9-11 and Katrina.

--- In IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Wolford" <mwolford@...> wrote:
>
> >>> Don't get arrogant. Any Ham can be a Spontaneous Volunteer in a DRO.
>
>
>
> Arrogant???  Kiss this.
>
>
>
> In my 10 years in the military, I had what was referred to as a "top secret
crypto" clearance, and was stationed at various border sites in Germany that I
can't even talk about.  I DO know what it is like to have all of those
background checks done.  Lots of luck if you happened to have a German girl
friend --- they called that "close and continuous relationship with a foreign
national", and you could end up playing KP for months!  I got to see a huge
turnaround as "access" was granted or denied to people that I worked
> with everyday.  A "secret" clearance wouldn't even allow you on site!
>
>
>
> Once upon  a time, long, long ago, I was quite active with the Red Cross in
Indianapolis.  I taught basic electronics for several of the amateur radio
classes, and participated in several drills.  The one that I remember best was
when they dispatched a group of us to the airport to aid the injured.  I feel
that it is the RED CROSS that has become arrogant!  Their entire operation is
based on a volunteer force, but they want to choose the ones who get to help
out.  In spite of 30 years of experience in amateur radio, they would turn me
away at the door as they wait for somebody with the correct color ID card to
show up to operate their station.
>
>
>
> Arrogant --- yeah ok.  But you can keep your toys, cause I'm not even
interested in playing that game.  ESPECIALLY with the Red Cross!
>
>
>
> Mike N5CEC
>

#2169 From: "Greg" <greg.dean@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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They just convicted a 26 year old female in Fountain county for sexually
molesting her cousin's child.  Do you realize that those who "like little boys"
are very good at hiding such behavior?

Likewise can you be trusted with money?  How do I know?  Want a list of people
convicted just this year for stealing money from groups like the Cub Scouts?

This is not the small town world of the 1950s.  The world changed in the '70s. 
Americans are no longer a moral people.  Family, religion, community are seen as
mere words and out dated ideas.  It is now normal to change jobs every couple of
years.  And move your household just as frequently.  No one knows anyone else. 
And likes it that way.

Just remember that we now require ID just to vote.  And ID when we are working.

Besides everyone is worried that you could create a CNN moment that would make
national news.  And some loud mouth, even a ham, could create problems that can
effect politicians, law enforcement, and community organizations.

--- In IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com, Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@...> wrote:
>
> What the Red Cross originally wanted to do went far beyond a simple
> background check. I don't mind if they want to see if people have police
records, but a credit check or something similar is unnecessary in my eyes and
none of their business. It also can affect people's credit ratings negatively.
Also unneeded is a lifestyle check or whatever they call that.
>
> I think this whole thing was discussed with ARC, and something more amenable
than the original proposal was worked out with the amateur radio community.
>
> 73, Zack W9SZ
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Greg <greg.dean@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > There was concern over the Red Cross requiring a background check. If you
> > consider that a Red Cross volunteer will have to be responsible for large
> > sums of money and resources (Client Services), will be providing shelter for
> > those who are vulnerable such as children or seniors). Just because you have
> > a license from the FCC does not mean that you could not be someone who would
> > victimize others.
> >
> > Local Community Volunteers in a DRO (Guidance)
> >
> > I n a Disaster Relief Operation, any affiliated Red Cross volunteer could
> > potentially be paired up with a local community volunteer, also called a
> > "spontaneous volunteer." It is important for every one of our volunteers and
> > staff members to recognize spontaneous volunteers, their ID Badges, and
> > their limited activities. The following ID Badge will be issued from the
> > greater Indianapolis chapter in the case of a local D.R.O.
> >
> > Since spontaneous volunteers (SV) have not been cleared through a
> > Background check, which usually takes 2-3 days to process, there are a few
> > things for affiliated volunteers and staff to keep in mind as we serve
> > together in our designated activities. As shown on the backside of the ID
> > Badges, these guidelines were established to ensure the safety of our
> > clients, volunteers, and staff as we provide relief services in times of a
> > disaster. It is the responsibility of all Red Cross volunteers to ensure the
> > above guidelines are met, as you are the eyes and ears for the organization.
> > Your compliance and
> > understanding are very much appreciated!
> >
> > Typical badge for a spontaneous volunteer
> >
> > front:
> > SPONTANEOUS VOLUNTEER
> > RESTRICTED ACCESS
> > DR # xxx-xx
> > Name: JANE DOE
> > Expiration Date: (7 days from time of placement)
> >
> > back:
> > As a spontaneous volunteer, you are
> > asked to please follow these guidelines:
> >  Team up with an affiliated Red Cross volunteer throughout your shift.
> >  Please do not handle money, drive a Red Cross vehicle or work overnight
> > shifts.
> >  Do not work directly with vulnerable populations (such as children or
> > seniors).
> > If you have any questions, please ask your
> > supervisor or Emergency Services manager
> >
> >
> >
>

#2168 From: "Mike Wolford" <mwolford@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:57 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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>>> Don't get arrogant. Any Ham can be a Spontaneous Volunteer in a DRO.

Arrogant???  Kiss this…

 

In my 10 years in the military, I had what was referred to as a “top secret crypto” clearance, and was stationed at various border sites in Germany that I can’t even talk about.  I DO know what it is like to have all of those background checks done.  Lots of luck if you happened to have a German girl friend --- they called that “close and continuous relationship with a foreign national”, and you could end up playing KP for months!  I got to see a huge turnaround as “access” was granted or denied to people that I worked with everyday.  A “secret” clearance wouldn’t even allow you on site!

 

Once upon  a time, long, long ago, I was quite active with the Red Cross in Indianapolis.  I taught basic electronics for several of the amateur radio classes, and participated in several drills.  The one that I remember best was when they dispatched a group of us to the airport to aid the injured.  I feel that it is the RED CROSS that has become arrogant!  Their entire operation is based on a volunteer force, but they want to choose the ones who get to help out.  In spite of 30 years of experience in amateur radio, they would turn me away at the door as they wait for somebody with the correct color ID card to show up to operate their station.

 

Arrogant --- yeah ok.  But you can keep your toys, cause I’m not even interested in playing that game…  ESPECIALLY with the Red Cross!

 

Mike N5CEC

 

 


#2167 From: Vernon NA9L <na9l@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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I do not mind the back ground check as I have had 3 of them in the last10 yrs  due to my past employer BUT the back ground checks were done via a Police Dept. not a private org The RC uses a Hired private org.   This Private org keeps file on them in there own data base NOW just how safe is that? that is what I object to along with the credit checks.

Vernon Austermiller NA9L
American Radio Relay League
Net Manager Region 9 cycle 1 & 2

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Greg <greg.dean@...> wrote:

From: Greg <greg.dean@...>
Subject: [IndyHamRadio] Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
To: IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:21 PM

 
Don't get arrogant. Any Ham can be a Spontaneous Volunteer in a DRO.

Do you realize how fast you could create a CNN moment? Yes we talk with each other, often daily. But do I really know you? We just had a 26 year old female from Fountain county convicted of sexually molesting her cousin's child. One would expect cousins to know each other even better than Amatuer radio operators would each other.

Try the background investigation for a State job. Or even a SECRET clearance. We even now require information to get a drivers license. We no longer live in small towns, people move frequently.

The facts of life is that the American people are no longer a moral population. All of the things that used to make us behave (family, church, community) have been marginalized. You may still live by the old ways, most Americans see that lifestyle as foolishness.

Yes, everybody has to do background checks. You have to have ID just to vote. In many cases how do we even know that you are who you say you are?

Look, I grew up in small town America. Everyone knew my family back three generations. If I went to vote, the folks at the polls knew my family. One's word was one's bond. But that all died in the 1970s.

You can still volunteer during a disaster. But you will be limited to being a spontaneous volunteer. And it is even worst if you work with the police or fire departments as a volunteer. If they do not really know you, they will not trust you.

--- In IndyHamRadio@ yahoogroups. com, "Mike Wolford" <mwolford@.. .> wrote:
>
> >>> As a spontaneous volunteer, you are asked to please follow these
> guidelines:
>
>
>
> So, the Red Cross has alienated a whole bunch of Amateur radio folks ---
> people whose identity is known, people that talk with one another every day.
> But then they are "asking" that somebody off of the street will do something
> like stay away from the money.
>
>
>
> Yeah, that all still makes good sense to me (dripping sarcasm). And folks
> wonder why I have no interest in amateur radio anymore --- well, I probably
> don't have the right color ID card for that. sheesh!
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Wolford N5CEC
>
> Spencer IN
>


#2166 From: "Greg" <greg.dean@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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Don't get arrogant.  Any Ham can be a Spontaneous Volunteer in a DRO.

Do you realize how fast you could create a CNN moment?  Yes we talk with each
other, often daily.  But do I really know you?  We just had a 26 year old female
from Fountain county convicted of sexually molesting her cousin's child.  One
would expect cousins to know each other even better than Amatuer radio operators
would each other.

Try the background investigation for a State job.  Or even a SECRET clearance. 
We even now require information to get a drivers license.  We no longer live in
small towns, people move frequently.

The facts of life is that the American people are no longer a moral population. 
All of the things that used to make us behave (family, church, community) have
been marginalized.  You may still live by the old ways, most Americans see that
lifestyle as foolishness.

Yes, everybody has to do background checks.  You have to have ID just to vote. 
In many cases how do we even know that you are who you say you are?

Look, I grew up in small town America.  Everyone knew my family back three
generations.  If I went to vote, the folks at the polls knew my family.  One's
word was one's bond.  But that all died in the 1970s.

You can still volunteer during a disaster.  But you will be limited to being a
spontaneous volunteer.  And it is even worst if you work with the police or fire
departments as a volunteer.  If they do not really know you, they will not trust
you.

--- In IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Wolford" <mwolford@...> wrote:
>
> >>> As a spontaneous volunteer, you are asked to please follow these
> guidelines:
>
>
>
> So, the Red Cross has alienated a whole bunch of Amateur radio folks ---
> people whose identity is known, people that talk with one another every day.
> But then they are "asking" that somebody off of the street will do something
> like stay away from the money.
>
>
>
> Yeah, that all still makes good sense to me (dripping sarcasm).  And folks
> wonder why I have no interest in amateur radio anymore --- well, I probably
> don't have the right color ID card for that. sheesh!
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike Wolford N5CEC
>
> Spencer IN
>

#2165 From: "Mike Wolford" <mwolford@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:00 pm
Subject: RE: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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>>> As a spontaneous volunteer, you are asked to please follow these guidelines:

 

So, the Red Cross has alienated a whole bunch of Amateur radio folks --- people whose identity is known, people that talk with one another every day.  But then they are “asking” that somebody off of the street will do something like stay away from the money…

 

Yeah, that all still makes good sense to me (dripping sarcasm).  And folks wonder why I have no interest in amateur radio anymore --- well, I probably don’t have the right color ID card for that… sheesh!

 

Mike Wolford N5CEC

Spencer IN

 


#2164 From: Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 4:29 pm
Subject: Re: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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What the Red Cross originally wanted to do went far beyond a simple background check. I don't mind if they want to see if people have police records, but a credit check or something similar is unnecessary in my eyes and none of their business. It also canaffect people's credit ratings negatively.Also unneeded is a lifestyle check or whatever they call that.
I think this whole thing was discussed with ARC, and something more amenable than the original proposal was worked out with the amateur radio community.
73, Zack W9SZ

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Greg <greg.dean@...> wrote:

There was concern over the Red Cross requiring a background check. If you consider that a Red Cross volunteer will have to be responsible for large sums of money and resources (Client Services), will be providing shelter for those who are vulnerable such as children or seniors). Just because you have a license from the FCC does not mean that you could not be someone who would victimize others.

Local Community Volunteers in a DRO (Guidance)

I n a Disaster Relief Operation, any affiliated Red Cross volunteer could potentially be paired up with a local community volunteer, also called a "spontaneous volunteer." It is important for every one of our volunteers and staff members to recognize spontaneous volunteers, their ID Badges, and their limited activities. The following ID Badge will be issued from the greater Indianapolis chapter in the case of a local D.R.O.

Since spontaneous volunteers (SV) have not been cleared through a Background check, which usually takes 2-3 days to process, there are a few things for affiliated volunteers and staff to keep in mind as we serve together in our designated activities. As shown on the backside of the ID Badges, these guidelines were established to ensure the safety of our clients, volunteers, and staff as we provide relief services in times of a disaster. It is the responsibility of all Red Cross volunteers to ensure the above guidelines are met, as you are the eyes and ears for the organization. Your compliance and
understanding are very much appreciated!

Typical badge for a spontaneous volunteer

front:
SPONTANEOUS VOLUNTEER
RESTRICTED ACCESS
DR # xxx-xx
Name: JANE DOE
Expiration Date: (7 days from time of placement)

back:
As a spontaneous volunteer, you are
asked to please follow these guidelines:
Team up with an affiliated Red Cross volunteer throughout your shift.
Please do not handle money, drive a Red Cross vehicle or work overnight shifts.
Do not work directly with vulnerable populations (such as children or seniors).
If you have any questions, please ask your
supervisor or Emergency Services manager



#2163 From: "Greg" <greg.dean@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 4:01 pm
Subject: Hams volunteering in a Disaster Relief Operation
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There was concern over the Red Cross requiring a background check.  If you
consider that a Red Cross volunteer will have to be responsible for large sums
of money and resources (Client Services), will be providing shelter for those
who are vulnerable such as children or seniors).  Just because you have a
license from the FCC does not mean that you could not be someone who would
victimize others.

Local Community Volunteers in a DRO (Guidance)

I n a Disaster Relief Operation, any affiliated Red Cross volunteer could
potentially be paired up with a local community volunteer, also called a
"spontaneous volunteer." It is important for every one of our volunteers and
staff members to recognize spontaneous volunteers, their ID Badges, and their
limited activities. The following ID Badge will be issued from the greater
Indianapolis chapter in the case of a local D.R.O.

Since spontaneous volunteers (SV) have not been cleared through a Background
check, which usually takes 2-3 days to process, there are a few things for
affiliated volunteers and staff to keep in mind as we serve together in our
designated activities. As shown on the backside of the ID Badges, these
guidelines were established to ensure the safety of our clients, volunteers, and
staff as we provide relief services in times of a disaster. It is the
responsibility of all Red Cross volunteers to ensure the above guidelines are
met, as you are the eyes and ears for the organization. Your compliance and
understanding are very much appreciated!

Typical badge for a spontaneous volunteer

front:
SPONTANEOUS VOLUNTEER
RESTRICTED ACCESS
DR # xxx-xx
Name: JANE DOE
Expiration Date: (7 days from time of placement)

back:
As a spontaneous volunteer, you are
asked to please follow these guidelines:
 Team up with an affiliated Red Cross volunteer throughout your shift.
 Please do not handle money, drive a Red Cross vehicle or work overnight
shifts.
 Do not work directly with vulnerable populations (such as children or
seniors).
If you have any questions, please ask your
supervisor or Emergency Services manager

#2162 From: "Charlie - N9MEW" <n9mew@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: matching antennas for a mobile quad band 10/6/2/70cm.
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I have one of these radios.  I bought a quad band antenna for it.  It had a heavy magnetic base, and it was stiff.  And I think it would not go under doorways,.
I replaced this antenna with a 6 meter antenna and a 2M/440 antenna.using a splitter.
I just cannot do 10 meters.
 
I like the radio.
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: kc9brz
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: [IndyHamRadio] matching antennas for a mobile quad band 10/6/2/70cm.

 

Anyone have a recommendation for one or two
mobile antennas for the Yaesu quad band FT-8900R ?

It's 10m/6m/2m/70cm.

Antenna gain is more of a concern than price.

So if it will improve antenna gain I'd consider two
antennas with an antenna switch (the FT-8900R has
only one antenna-out connector), such as combining
a 6m/2m/70cm antenna with a 10m antenna. Or else
a 10m/6m antenna with a 2m/70cm antenna.

I also don't want something that's going to have to be
taken down for drive-throughs and parking garages,
so not too tall either.

Anyone out there using this radio?


#2161 From: "Greg" <greg.dean@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: matching antennas for a mobile quad band 10/6/2/70cm.
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Both Diamond and Comet have four band antennas designed for the FT-8900.  Both
are about $110 and about 51 inches long.

Comet: UHV-4 (redesign of the UHV-6 multi band ant.)
Diamond: CR8900 (modified HV7A)

--- In IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com, kc9brz <kc9brz@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for one or two
> mobile antennas for the Yaesu quad band FT-8900R ?
>
> It's 10m/6m/2m/70cm.
>
> Antenna gain is more of a concern than price.
>
> So if it will improve antenna gain I'd consider two
> antennas with an antenna switch (the FT-8900R has
> only one antenna-out connector), such as combining
> a 6m/2m/70cm antenna with a 10m antenna.  Or else
> a 10m/6m antenna with a 2m/70cm antenna.
>
> I also don't want something that's going to have to be
> taken down for drive-throughs and parking garages,
> so not too tall either.
>
> Anyone out there using this radio?
>

#2160 From: Vernon NA9L <na9l@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 2:32 pm
Subject: Fw: Ft W IRC
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Does any one have pictures of the Ft W IRC forum they want to share.
Mine were blurred.

Vernon Austermiller NA9L
American Radio Relay League
Net Manager Region 9 cycle 1 & 2
    IN   KY   WI   IL
Central Area Staff Member

#2159 From: kc9brz <kc9brz@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 2:02 pm
Subject: matching antennas for a mobile quad band 10/6/2/70cm.
kc9brz
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Anyone have a recommendation for one or two
mobile antennas for the Yaesu quad band FT-8900R ?

It's 10m/6m/2m/70cm.

Antenna gain is more of a concern than price.

So if it will improve antenna gain I'd consider two
antennas with an antenna switch (the FT-8900R has
only one antenna-out connector), such as combining
a 6m/2m/70cm antenna with a 10m antenna.  Or else
a 10m/6m antenna with a 2m/70cm antenna.

I also don't want something that's going to have to be
taken down for drive-throughs and parking garages,
so not too tall either.

Anyone out there using this radio?

#2158 From: IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:00 am
Subject: Whitley County ARC Dinner Meeting , 12/10/2009, 7:00 pm
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Reminder from:   IndyHamRadio Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Whitley County ARC Dinner Meeting
 
Date:   Thursday December 10, 2009
Time:   7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
Next reminder:   The next reminder for this event will be sent in 13 days.
Location:   American Table Restaurant (574) 267-8171 3575 Lake City Hwy (US 30) Warsaw, IN.
Phone:   260-723-4711 WCARC President's Phone
Notes:   We voted in October that we will be having our annual Christmas Dinner Meeting at the American Table Restaurant in Warsaw at 3575 Lake City Hwy (US 30) N.Side of US 30. We will be suspending club business, other than emergency measurers and the award of the Amateur of the Year. We will be in the private room by ourselves on that night. Talk-in will be on the 145.130(-) PL131.8 KA9OHV Repeater in case you need something. You can arrive as early as 6:15 PM. A menu has been placed in the "Photo" section of the site here under the "American Table Restaurant Menu" folder. Please RSVP to Melanie W9NNH w9nnh@... or 260-723-4711 with the number of people attending in your group. The cost of the meal will be payed by you and there will be a 15% gratuity.


WCARC Address: WCARC Inc. PO Box 652 Columbia City, IN. 46725
WCARC Website: http://www.wcarc.org
WCARC Email: wc9ar@...
WCARC BBS Packet Mail: WC9AR@KA9LCF.#NEIN.IN.USA.NOAM
WCARC Winlink Internet/RF Email: wc9ar@...
Whitley Co. Amateur Radio Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WCARG/

145.270(-) WC9AR/R PL131.8TX/RX - ARES/RACES/SKYWARN
444.550(+) WC9AR/R - ARES/RACES/SKYWARN Backup Rptr
145.530(S) WC9AR-1 1200 Baud Packet Mailbox
145.530(S) WC9AR-7 1200 Baud Packet KA-NODE
145.530(S) WC9AR-8 1200 Baud Packet Digipeater
145.050/145.530(S) District 3 KA9LCF BBS
145.530(S) N9BAV-10 WL2K RMS RF/Internet Email Node

For more information contact:
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#2157 From: Dan Dahms <n9wnh@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:03 pm
Subject: 2009 NWS SKYWARN Recognition Day
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We invite you and your fellow hams to help setup, operate and teardown for this
event. Remember this is a 24 hour operation and we need your help for all hours
of coverage. Please pass this on to your members and other clubs etc. We will
have (2) HF stations in the meeting room setup and of course the VHF/UHF radios
will be available at the WX9IWX console in the operations room.

Dan M. Dahms N9WNH
President
Whitley Co. ARC


CQ…CQ…CQ…
National Weather Service
Special Event
2009 SKYWARN Recognition Day
(December 4, 7 pm EST to December 5, 7 pm EST)

SKYWARN Recognition Day was developed in 1999 by the National Weather Service
and the American Radio Relay League. It celebrates the contributions that
volunteer SKYWARN radio operators make to the National Weather Service. During
the day SKYWARN operators visit NWS offices and contact other radio operators
across the world.

WX9IWX, National Weather Service Northern Indiana’s amateur radio station,
will once again be participating through the entire event. Contact us on
2/10/15/20/40/80m and 70cm via PHONE, CW and PSK-31. Look for around 90 to 100
registered offices to participate again this year.

For more information visit the 2009 SKYWARN Recognition Day website at
http://hamradio. noaa.gov.  At this website, you will find the latest
information regarding this event. There is also information on how to receive
your event certificate for the stations you’ve contacted and QSL information
for WX9IWX (to be posted soon) and other stations providing QSL’s.

As always, thank you for your commitment to the National Weather Service SKYWARN
program.

Operators are needed for WX9IWX at the National Weather Service this year.
Please contact Pat Murphy, WX9PAT at patrick.murphy@ noaa.gov for more
information. Please help pass the word about this great amateur radio event. A
special thanks to the Hoosier Lakes Radio Club, the Whitley County Amateur Radio
Club, the Goshen Amateur Radio Club and all other volunteers for their
assistance with this and past year’s events.


73,

Pat

Patrick Murphy, WX9PAT
Lead Meteorologist
patrick.murphy@ noaa.gov
TEL: 574.834.1104
FAX: 574.834.3492

National Weather Service Northern Indiana
http://weather. gov/iwx

Goshen ARC
http://www.goshenarc.org

Hoosier Lakes RC
http://www.k9cwd.org

Whitley County ARC
http://www.wcarc.org
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WCARG/

#2156 From: IndyHamRadio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:28 am
Subject: Tippecanoe County Amateur Radio Association Meeting, 11/25/2009, 7:30 pm
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Reminder from:   IndyHamRadio Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Tippecanoe County Amateur Radio Association Meeting
 
Date:   Wednesday November 25, 2009
Time:   7:30 pm - 9:00 pm
Repeats:   This event repeats every month on the last Wednesday.
Location:   Tippecanoe County Red Cross Chapter House - Lafayette, IN
Street:   615 N. 18th St., Ste. 101 (corner of Union St and 18th St)
City State Zip:   Lafayette, IN 47904
Notes:   Monthly program meeting of the Tippecanoe County Amateur Radio
Association (TARA). Visitors are welcome. For more information go to http://www.W9REG.org
 
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#2155 From: "KB9BVN" <kb9bvn@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:54 pm
Subject: FREE CW Training Course
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Hams, beginning at 6:30PM on Sunday December 6th, we will be offering Morse
Code practice on the WA9RDF repeater system. (146.835  PL 151.4) Sessions
will last about 20 minutes, we will be using the K7QO Chuck Adams CW
Training Course. If you are intersted in taking part in this fun, drop an
email to Brian Murrey KB9BVN@...  .

I will send you an email telling you where to download the CW course, and
answer any questions you might have.  If you can spend 15-20 minutes a day
on the course, you can be working CW stations by Straight Key Night, which
is New Years Eve.

Have a very Happy Thanksgiving this week, and I hope to see you on the air
using CW soon.

73 de KB9BVN
Brian Murrey

#2154 From: Mark Thompson <wb9qzb_groups@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:48 am
Subject: Fwd: 2009 ARRL Central Division Vice Director Election Results
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: "dick@..." <dick@...>
To: frrl@yahoogroups.com; nidxa@yahoogroups.com; smc@...
Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 4:55:12 PM
Subject: [frrl] 2009 ARRL Central Division Vice Director Election Results

20 NOV 2009 - 1655 CST

Congratulations to Kermit Carlson, W9XA who will be our new ARRL Central
Division Vice Director effective 1 JAN, 2010.

A total of 3274 votes were cast in this election as follows:

Kermit Carlson, W9XA ------ 1808 votes
Howard Huntington, K9KM --- 1466 votes

Howard Huntington, K9KM has served several years as Central Division Vice
Director prior to my becoming Central Division Director on 1 JAN, 2001.
I thank him for his service under me for nine years.

- George R. Isely, W9GIG
  ARRL Central Div. Director




#2153 From: "N9WNH" <n9wnh@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:40 pm
Subject: Large quantity of used Astron RS-20A Power Supplies for sale
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If anyone needs a Astron RS-20A power supply in used condition, contact me
(N9WNH) and we can make sure you get one. The cost is $50. $10 of this goes to
the WCARC. There is around 40 of them available.

73,

Dan M. Dahms N9WNH
President
Whitley Co. ARC
n9wnh@...

Club Address: Whitley County ARC Inc. PO Box 652 Columbia City, IN. 46725
Club Website: http://www.wcarc.org
Club Email: wc9ar@...
Club Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WCARG/
Club Yahoo Group Site Message Post: WCARG@yahoogroups.com
Club QRZ Webpage: http://www.qrz.com/db/WC9AR/1252520162
Club Winlink Email: wc9ar@...
Club Home Packet BBS: 145.050 & 145.530 @ 1200bps 430.550 @ 9600bps
wc9ar@ka9lcf.#nein.in.usa.noam
Club Repeaters: 145.270(-) WC9AR/R PL131.8  &  444.550(+) WC9AR/R
Club Packet Mailbox: 145.530(S) WC9AR-1
Club Packet Node: 145.530(S) WC9AR-7
Club Packet Digipeater: 145.530(S) WC9AR-8

#2152 From: "N9WNH" <n9wnh@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:26 pm
Subject: Berdell Smith (WB9UYU) SK Estate Sale
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Berdell Smith (WB9UYU) SK Estate Sale
These are the remaining items left over from the hamfest,  we will be posting
some club members items for sale within the next day or so also.

Ten Tec 544 HF Transceiver includes 245 & 249 filters and noise blanker kits,
manuals etc.  ($350)
Ten Tec 242 Remote VFO with manual ($60) (With the Remote VFO this allows you to
do split operations)
Ten Tec 262M Power Supply with manual ($60)
Ten Tec KR-50 Paddle Keyer with manual  ($60)
Ten Tec 291 Manual Tuner with manual ($70)
$25 Discount if you purchase the entire HF Station for $ 575

Kenwood TR-7400A VHF Mobile ($55) (Feedback from speaker when volume @ 12
o'clock position)
Pace Communicator II VHF Mobile ($45)
Homebrew Antenna Switch ($20) (With plans from October 1957 QST)
Homebrew Keyer Interface ($10)
Heathkit HD-1410 Keyer ($40)
Heathkit HM-102 SWR/Watt Meter ($40)
Brown Brothers BTL-A Key ($75)
Autek MK-1 CMOS Keyer ($40)
SWR Bridge Meter $15
ICOM 2AT box, manual and new earphone (NO RADIO) ($3)

All the items listed above are in very good physical condition, were tested and
appear to work fine except when noted.

Yaesu FRG 7000 Receiver ($75)  Powers up, no receive

Please contact the Whitley County ARC if you have any questions or if you are
interested in this equipment.

Dan M. Dahms President
Whitley County ARC Inc.

Club Address: Whitley County ARC Inc. PO Box 652 Columbia City, IN. 46725
Club Website: http://www.wcarc.org
Club Email: wc9ar@...
Club Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WCARG/
Club Yahoo Group Site Message Post: WCARG@yahoogroups.com
Club QRZ Webpage: http://www.qrz.com/db/WC9AR/1252520162
Club Winlink Email: wc9ar@...
Club Home Packet BBS: 145.050 & 145.530 @ 1200bps 430.550 @ 9600bps
wc9ar@ka9lcf.#nein.in.usa.noam
Club Repeaters: 145.270(-) WC9AR/R PL131.8  &  444.550(+) WC9AR/R
Club Packet Mailbox: 145.530(S) WC9AR-1
Club Packet Node: 145.530(S) WC9AR-7
Club Packet Digipeater: 145.530(S) WC9AR-8

#2151 From: kc9brz <kc9brz@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:26 pm
Subject: re: Indiana Repeater Council.
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> Posted by: "Charlie - N9MEW" n9mew@...
> Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:51 am ((PST))
>
> This is the follow-up of the Indiana Repeater Council
> meeting on Saturday.
>
> I have many requests for a repeater that I cannot find a
> frequency for.  Especially for 2 meter systems.

Thanks and MUCH apprecation to not only the repeater council
but all the repeater owners/operators and the many people
who contribute money to keep them on the air.

I wish I could afford to join/contribute to every club
that maintains a repeater in or around Marion County.

In Marion County, except for nets and special events, 2-meter
activity seems to be dead on all repeaters except the 146.70.

But when winter storms, tornados (tornadoes?), or the big
New Madrid Fault earthquake hits, I'm sure most of them will
be quite busy.

Any-who, you might catch me on Tuesdays around 5:30pm
making the rounds checking to see if I can raise about 25 2m
repeaters around Marion county and surrounding counties.

-Dave A., kc9brz


#2150 From: "Charlie - N9MEW" <n9mew@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [InHam] IRC meeting at Ft. Wayne Hamfest
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This is the follow-up of the Indiana Repeater Council meeting on Saturday.
 
I have many requests for a repeater that I cannot find a frequency for.  Especially for 2 meter systems.
 
As a start to find the paper repeaters, we have voted unanamsly to NOT list a repeater in the ARRL directory  for a system that the coordination is too old. 
 
Indiana requires that all coordination's be updated every two years. 
As a courtesy to the ones that are a little behind, and to give every body a chance to update their coordination, we have decided that If your coordination is 2005 or later, you will be in the published directory.  Next year we will move the data up.
We file the data base with the ARRL about January 1 of each year.
 
We are not deleting anything them from the data base at this time.  But this does not mean that we will just let it go.  If we do not hear from you, we will try to contact you.   About this time next year, we will be analyzing the date base and will begin to de-coordinate systems.
 
I will be going on vacation the day after Christmas for a week or so.  File NOW.
 
If you submit an application before I leave, and I do not mean December 24, I will fix the data base so that you will be listed.  Depending on how many of you file, It may take a while to complete the paperwork. I will answer all e-mails.
 
You can file on-line at www.ircinc.org/node/9
------------------
If you know of any repeaters that are off the air, please e-mail me.  Keep in mind that people have problems, such as equipment fails, and loss of tower sites.  If this applies to you, let us know.
 
---------------
Splinter frequencies.  This was discussed.  We will space systems 70 to 80 miles from a system that is 10 KHz away.  This is we done only in special circumstances.
 
There will be other restrictions, such as a non inference clause. and limit modulation. We will also have to get approval from the adjacent states.  I have requested that they adopt such specs.  But they have not approved it yet.
 
... charlie
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:51 AM
Subject: [InHam] [IndyHamRadio] IRC meeting at Ft. Wayne Hamfest

 

Attention all Repeater trustees, and all interested in Repeater coordination
 
 
The Indiana Repeater Council will have a meeting at the Ft. Wayne Ham fest on Saturday, November 14, 1009 at  12:15.
 
We will be talking about what to do about paper repeaters and the possible use of the splinter frequencies on 2 meters.  There are several 20 kHz spaced frequencies, and it is sometimes possible to place another system in between 2 systems.  What kind of spacing should we use?
 
... charlie
Indiana Repeater Coordinator
 
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#2149 From: "KB9BVN" <kb9bvn@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:02 pm
Subject: Packet S'more
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I have to head out to Chicago for a week of training with EMC tomorrow.  I
have my packet station on the air at 145.050...would love it if a few of you
could try to connect and leave me a message.

KB9BVN-1 is the PBBS

I will take the system off the air at about noon tomorrow, and it will be
back up next weekend.

73

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