Sharon:  you raised a very good point about the purpose of our site.

Our objective in setting up the site was to provide an easy method for State
High alums to keep in touch.  We assumed that that would include many aspects of
our lives, including important family events, triumphs and set-backs.  This
might also include our various opinions about the events of the day, including
those which affect us all.

One of the more interesting aspects of life, I feel, is how people change due to
their experiences.  However, at their core, people usually do not change very
much.

For those who knew me in high school, and from reading what I have written on
this site over the past years, they probably think that I am consistent.  I have
never been shy about voicing my opinion.  Hopefully, my opinions are informed
ones; I hope people will point out when they are not.

Bottom line:  please feel free to post anything which you feel others in the
site might be interested in, or which they might want to know--whether it is
about your life, your community, etc.

Douglas Pensack
Class of 1971

I met with clients today, to help them legally terminate their rental contract. 
Their story:  married couple, wife is French citizen, married to an American. 
Wife becomes pregnant, then they discover she is not covered by the husband's
health insurance.

In concern for their child's (and wife's) health, husband moves his business
interests to France, and the couple is moving to France so that the baby will be
cared for.  Not only will all of the mother's health care be covered, FOR FREE,
by the French health system, but they will receive money from the French
government for child care, and the mother will receive PAID maternal leave (I
think for a year).

Ironically enough, the French pay less than 1/3 (!) per capita for their health
care than do Americans!

The right wing blowhards who are trying to scare Americans into opposing
necessary health care reform use many tactics, the most pernicious and silly
being screaming about "rationing" of health care.  Anyone with common sense has
to know that EVERY nation "rations" its health services, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT
INFINITE.

If any nation were to give every person everything they could possibly ever want
and need, without any attention to limits or what makes sense, that nation will
go quickly bankrupt.  Therefore, EVERY nation "rations" its care, INCLUDING THE
U.S.

Our problem is that much of that "rationing" is done by private health insurance
executives, who are paid handsomely to DENY care to as many people as they can.

Who would you rather decide what care is possible and necessary:  private
executives whose job is to DENY you care, regardless of your needs, OR
politically-influenced functionaries whose job is to PROVIDE care?  No system is
perfect, but I believe the choice has to be, in the interest of the PEOPLE and
not PROFIT, the latter and not the former.

Douglas Pensack
Class of 1971

If you want to receive News Letter Please E-mail me. Hodog38@... Would
love to hear from everyone.




                            Karen (cox) Sampson. Class of 1978

Nicely said Douglas,
I like to thank all that joined this group and those who have posted and
contributed. Not the best year for me but I am grateful I am alive.
Anyway I hope all will have a wonderful start to the holiday season.

Larry, Class of 1971


--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "douglaspensack"
<douglaspensack@...> wrote:
>
> To all State High alums and friends:  Happy Thanksgiving!  to you and your
families.
>
> I know that this past year has been tough for many, but I hope all of you have
something about which you can be thankful.
>
> I know that I am fortunate in many ways:  a wife who loves me, work which is
both fulfilling as well as remunerative, decent health for an old "codger", etc.
We often do not know what we have "till its gone", as the song goes, but I do
believe in considering, from time to time, how much worse off we might be. 
Oddly enough, as I have aged, I have become more optimistic.
>
> I know that we all would appreciate hearing from each of you, if you took the
time to send us your thoughts and experiences from time to time.
>
> Happy holiday!
>
> Douglas Pensack
> Class of 1971
>

To all State High alums and friends:  Happy Thanksgiving!  to you and your
families.

I know that this past year has been tough for many, but I hope all of you have
something about which you can be thankful.

I know that I am fortunate in many ways:  a wife who loves me, work which is
both fulfilling as well as remunerative, decent health for an old "codger", etc.
We often do not know what we have "till its gone", as the song goes, but I do
believe in considering, from time to time, how much worse off we might be. 
Oddly enough, as I have aged, I have become more optimistic.

I know that we all would appreciate hearing from each of you, if you took the
time to send us your thoughts and experiences from time to time.

Happy holiday!

Douglas Pensack
Class of 1971

Hello All: Tonight was the Alumni meeting. I would like to ask and inform all
that are interested that, The Alumni News letter will be going out after the
first of the year. If anyone would like a newsletter and know where anyone is at
then please contact me at ksam897801@... and send me you e-mail address or
home mailing address. This is for anyone who ever attended State high,
University school, or Normal School as it was once call. Thank-You.



                          Karen (cox)Sampson.

Well said, Marilyn!  I was in town last week, and drove by State High a couple
of times, but didn't get to go inside.  I love the Atrium, and the vibrant
colors of the mural, and the auditorium looks great.  The halls do look
different without lockers, but the classroom doors and the stairwells...I can
almost smell the building.  Wish I'd had time to run in and look around a bit -
definitely next trip, and hope to catch up with a few people next time, too!

Diane Pigg, class of '74



--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "cranbog3"
<cranbog3@...> wrote:
>
> Just adding that Terre Haute is a better place
> when buildings as significant as State High School
> are spared the fate of so many that have fallen.
> The pictures show a building that has new life, and
> purpose.  Function and form.  It's deeply rooted
> past is reminiscent in the murals, auditorium, and
> stairwells.  The atrium offers something back to the
> community, if we are wise enough.
> I carry the hallowed halls of State High in my minds eye -
> especially as we approach this time of year. . .
> candlelight caroling in the darkened halls, and the smell of the annual
wassail bowl.  It is a comfort to see the activity
> around that corner of 7th and Chestnut, if not for
> the students of today, then at least (with hope) for the teachers
> of tomorrow.
>
> Marilyn (Holston) Oehler
> Class of '74
> and sibs
> Brenda (Price) Taylor
> Class of '64
> Jim Price
> Class of '61
>
> --- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "douglaspensack"
<douglaspensack@> wrote:
> >
> > I recommend the photos of our old school, updated as a university building,
on the ISU web site, as described in previous messages.  The place looks good!
(but not the same, of course).
> >
> > Douglas Pensack
> > Class of 1971
> >
>

Just adding that Terre Haute is a better place
when buildings as significant as State High School
are spared the fate of so many that have fallen.
The pictures show a building that has new life, and
purpose.  Function and form.  It's deeply rooted
past is reminiscent in the murals, auditorium, and
stairwells.  The atrium offers something back to the
community, if we are wise enough.
I carry the hallowed halls of State High in my minds eye -
especially as we approach this time of year. . .
candlelight caroling in the darkened halls, and the smell of the annual wassail
bowl.  It is a comfort to see the activity
around that corner of 7th and Chestnut, if not for
the students of today, then at least (with hope) for the teachers
of tomorrow.

Marilyn (Holston) Oehler
Class of '74
and sibs
Brenda (Price) Taylor
Class of '64
Jim Price
Class of '61

--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "douglaspensack"
<douglaspensack@...> wrote:
>
> I recommend the photos of our old school, updated as a university building, on
the ISU web site, as described in previous messages.  The place looks good! (but
not the same, of course).
>
> Douglas Pensack
> Class of 1971
>

For me, the photographs showing the brick walls in the hallways (the colors, the
running bond design pattern of the bricks), the hallways with the rounded
archways, and the views of the stairs and windows, brought back a flood of
memories.  It is wonderful that the murals are restored and it is now possible
to better see their beauty. The College of Education where I work is housed in
the former university high school that closed in 1965.  In some ways, the
building where I work is architecturally pleasing and, I am sure, very beautiful
to its former students who return each fall for a reunion, but it is also in a
state of disrepair in other ways.  It is nice to see the ISU Lab School remain a
vibrant building full of lively students and teachers and it seems always good
to think about and discuss how to achieve the balance between a building that
represents the old and the new, represents both former and current students.

--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "state.high"
<state.high@...> wrote:
>
> The place looks unrecognizable. They have erased us. I am sad.
>
> --- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "douglaspensack"
<douglaspensack@> wrote:
> >
> > The place looks good! (but not the same, of course).
>

The place looks unrecognizable. They have erased us. I am sad.

--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "douglaspensack"
<douglaspensack@...> wrote:
>
> The place looks good! (but not the same, of course).

I recommend the photos of our old school, updated as a university building, on
the ISU web site, as described in previous messages.  The place looks good! (but
not the same, of course).

Douglas Pensack
Class of 1971

Allan
You posted just fine. Remember  Your message must be approved by the group
owners before being sent to the group to prevent spam.

LWG




--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "allan.banfield"
<allan.banfield@...> wrote:
>
> I tried to post this in response to Carter Winkle's request for pictures of
the "new" University Hall but couldn't get it to work, but then I'm a drummer so
what can you say?
> To see new pictures of University Hall go to the ISU web site, 
www.indstate.edu  then go to Communications and Marketing site, then find
Photographic Services site.  Under "Related Links" click "Search the Photography
Services Database"  enter University Hall.  Open "University Hall Open House" 
There are 9 pages of photos including the Wilson murals.  Also see "University
Hall Rededication" photo files.  There are lots of current ISU administrators
pictures there but if you go through them you will see pictures of the building.
>

I tried to post this in response to Carter Winkle's request for pictures of the
"new" University Hall but couldn't get it to work, but then I'm a drummer so
what can you say?
To see new pictures of University Hall go to the ISU web site,  www.indstate.edu
then go to Communications and Marketing site, then find Photographic Services
site.  Under "Related Links" click "Search the Photography Services Database" 
enter University Hall.  Open "University Hall Open House"  There are 9 pages of
photos including the Wilson murals.  Also see "University Hall Rededication"
photo files.  There are lots of current ISU administrators pictures there but if
you go through them you will see pictures of the building.

--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "Carter" <cawmas63@...>
wrote:
>
> I am wondering if any locals would be willing/able to take some pictures of
the newly renovated Lab School (now ISU's College of Education building) and
post them here on our site? Those of us living far away (I'm in Miami) would
love to see it. I have heard wonderful things...that the murals are being
restored, etc...
>
> Many thanks for considering this request.
>
> Carter Winkle
>


Go to the ISU web site, www.indstate.edu and go to Communications and Marketing
web site, then go the Photographic Services and search University Hall.  There
are 9 pages of photos.  You won't believe your eyes.  You might also see some
old teachers we had.

that's not it Linda....lol
it was
Look at the plane adjacent to the plane whose value you are trying to discribe.
Mr Laska wrote it in my year book.
Donna Odom Bollman class of 1977

--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "Linda D"
<mythy43196@...> wrote:
>
> It seems everyone remembers a quotation or 2 or more from Jon Laska. I thought
it would be fun to see what we can remember.
> I'll start with one. It could be fun.
> Linda Dailey
>
>
>    "look at the plane adjacent to the plane whose tone You are trying to
describe"
>

I believe that I have been slightly unclear.  I was not trying to say that the
British were unwilling to kill or brutalize people--they certainly did.  They
ruled India for 200 years by doing so.

However, by the post-World War II era, they had run out of money to maintain
their Empire, and they lacked the political will to carry out an effective
counter-insurgency.

As a result, the British were unwilling and/or unable to crush the opposition,
and it grew as a result.  It finally grew enough that it could not (reasonably)
be stopped.

All governments are willing to use force to maintain their power.  That is true
for the U.S. government, certainly, as well as the British and German.  My point
only was that non-violence, as a tactic, can only work in the right political
environment.

You can contrast this with the Yugoslavian resistance to the Nazis in the 1940s.
They were never completely crushed by the Germans; they operated throughout
their country, striking against the Germans continuously until they were able to
finally defeat them--militarily.  If Tito had acted liked Ghandi in 1940, he
would have been a martyr the same year.

Douglas Pensack
Class of 1971

I disagree.  The British were sufficiently bloodthirsty to kill many Indian
protesters, but non-violence succeeded anyway.

--- In IndianaStateUniversityLabSchool@yahoogroups.com, "douglaspensack"
<douglaspensack@...> wrote:
>
> Non-violence is admirable as a personal philosophy and way of life.  I admire
those who have the strength to live it.
>
> However, the major difficulty of applying non-violence as an absolute
political tactic, particularly for insurgents, is that those with power have no
qualms using violence to protect their interests.  If the Nazis had run India,
instead of the insolvent and guilt-feeling British, Ghandi would have been shot
immediately, and the insurgency crushed.
>
> Speaking of the contradictions of power, how can Obama run a war with a Peace
Prize in his pocket?
>
> Douglas Pensack
> Class of 1971
>

I am wondering if any locals would be willing/able to take some pictures of the
newly renovated Lab School (now ISU's College of Education building) and post
them here on our site? Those of us living far away (I'm in Miami) would love to
see it. I have heard wonderful things...that the murals are being restored,
etc...

Many thanks for considering this request.

Carter Winkle

Hi Friends,
You are invited to the first annual open studio of
3311 W. Carroll Artist Building
Chicago, Ill. 60622
  Sunday, October 25th, 12-7pm
Larry and Janet Green


This will coincide with the East Garfield Park Art Walk featuring numerous
artists from six buildings

Non-violence is admirable as a personal philosophy and way of life.  I admire
those who have the strength to live it.

However, the major difficulty of applying non-violence as an absolute political
tactic, particularly for insurgents, is that those with power have no qualms
using violence to protect their interests.  If the Nazis had run India, instead
of the insolvent and guilt-feeling British, Ghandi would have been shot
immediately, and the insurgency crushed.

Speaking of the contradictions of power, how can Obama run a war with a Peace
Prize in his pocket?

Douglas Pensack
Class of 1971