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Hello Axel,

This post made me remember when you asked me to check on scents...I must admit that I did not notice any unusal fragrance or odor when at the chateau or in the gardens. I did notice that the gardeners were at work in Antoinette's gardens, and I did also notice the strawberries that were forming in the strawberry patches.

I suspect that any flaw of character became magnified if it were connected to the queen. Even a scent of perfume becomes suspicious and cause for blame. I rather imagine that a lot of this is exaggeration. Frankly, I do not believe a word of it. It sounds like petty gossip to me. I do not believe for one minute that she would wear a disguise and not be aware also to keep herself as close to the person she was imitating, meaning no perfume.

No, I do not believe this story at all...she was not stupid by any means...Jan

From: axel <Rand103242@...>
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 5:29:20 PM
Subject: Did Antoinette’s perfumed scent cause her capture at Varennes

"Ms Feydeay said smelling the Queen's Wake is "as if you're walking past a magnificent bouquet comprising flowers of every season. It has an incredible fullness."

"Marie Antoinette's love of perfumes is believed to be her undoing. Many accounts have been written of the events of 20 June, 1791, when Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette and their family retinue attempted to escape to eastern France, where troops loyal to the monarchy were waiting.

"Their flight was cut off at Varennes where they were recognised and arrested.

"One version has it that a vigilant chamber-maid, observing the queen's travelling chest packed with several months' supplies of powders, pommades and perfumes, realised that the royal family were making a break for it.

"Ms Feydeau believes the truth may have been much simpler, however. Late-18th century France was a pungent place, a world of open drains, cesspits and sewers and where taking a bath was a rare indulgence.

" "The queen's fragrance must have made a strong contrast. I think it may well have been her scent that gave her away, either to other travellers or to people at the inn where they stopped," Ms Feydeau said.

"Her toilette played as eloquent a part in her fall as it had in her prime. Part of the mythology surrounding the royal family's flight from Paris and capture at Varennes in June 1791 is that it was by Marie Antoinette's perfume that they were recognised; a legend that again makes the queen culpable for her femininity and glamour.

"The royal couple were taken back to Paris under escort and publicly executed two years later.

Quoted from article "Perfume that sent Marie Antoinette to guillotine weaves its spell again"
http://news. scotsman. com/topstories/ Perfume-that- sent-Marie- Antoinette. 2835707.jp

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, "Patricia" <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this, Axel. I was wondering at what the ingredients were for her scent. As someone who has taken classes in aromatherapy using the essential oils in a healing manner, I would love to try and re-create this scent that was created for her.
>
> High quality essential oils can be very expensive, especially the sandalwood and damask rose. I would think that damask rose would also be including in any perfume for Marie Antoinette since she loved roses so much...I would certainly add a hint of rose to the scent.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, "axel" <Rand103242@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is a book review of Marie Antoinette's perfumer and the scents the Queen enjoyed and brought to her life at Versailles palace and beyond.
> >
> > "Jean-Louis Fargeon was the perfumer to Marie Antoinette. Born in 1748, seven years before the birth of the future Queen of France, Jean-Louis was the first-born son in a long line of apothecaries and perfumers. This book follows the trajectory of Jean-Louis' life as he masters the skills of a perfumer, develops his business and serves as perfumer to Marie Antoinette. The history of the French revolution is interwoven into the tale.
> >
> > "Title: A Scented Palace, The Secret History of Marie Antoinette's Perfumer
> > Author: Elisabeth de Feydeau
> > Translator: Jane Lizop
> > Publisher: I.B. Tauris, London, New York (2006)
> > Category: Non-fiction, history, biography
> > Price: US$22 hardcover (www.amazon. com)
> > Number of Pages: 114 before appendices, 140 including appendices
> >
> > "My favourite passage:
> > "Finally the perfumer had to reinforce the depth and perfect the harmony of his preparation. Vanilla would lend a warm and delicious touch, soft and velvety, redolent of Marie Antoinette's childhood and her fondness for Viennese pastries, a gourmet hint of sweetness and gentleness. Cedar and sandalwood would add the note of the wooded lanes of the Trianon. Amber and musk would overlay the entire composition with a sensual, animal fervour, and a pinch of benzoin would add warmth and tenacity to the whole." (page 70)
> >
> > "Why I chose this book:
> > A good friend/blogging fan noticed that I was researching and writing about Marie Antoinette in the fall and gave me this book for my birthday.
> >
> > "Rating: B
> > While this book was well-written, I found the volume slim with 114 pages. The footnotes are not extensive and the source of material that this biography is based on is not really clear (other than a mention of Fargeon's papers).
> >
> > "The book was amusing but did not really provide much new information about the time period, with the exception of the passages about the toilette preparations of Marie Antoinette. Nevertheless, I think that it is good read for die-hard Marie Antoinette fans. I simply cannot get enough of this fashion icon.
> > Posted By Ingrid Mida At 8:40 Pm
> > Sunday, January 25, 2009
> >
> > ************ ********* ****
> >
> > The quoted post above was written by Ingrid Mida and can be viewed in context at Ingrid's
> > Blog / Website "Fashion is My Muse" – Html or link: http://fashionismym use.blogspot. com/
> > Please also see the artwork for this post – photo "Ingrid 12 – MA: Scented Palace" in the "Ingrid Mida – Antoinette" photo album folder I've set up, in "Photos" for this group -
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Images_ of_Marie_ Antoinette/ photos/album/ 0/list
> >
> > This piece is re-posted here at Images of Marie Antoinette with the kind permission of Ingrid Mida and is the 12th of a series of reposts about Marie Antoinette and her fashions for the enjoyment of our group. Your comments are most welcome.
> >
> > Axel
> >
>

#9414

From: "Patricia" <MadameAntoine@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 2:30 am
Subject: Re: Did Antoinette�s perfumed scent cause her capture at Varennes

madame_antoine

Offline

Hello Axel,

The perfume could very well have played a big part in the identification of the
royal couple, but I thought as well that Louis's actions were instrumental in
their capture and that he gave himself away.

You would have thought that Antoinette would have had the good sense to not use
any sort of scent, which would have given her away. After all, how many of the
working class citizens could have afforded such a luxurious scent as the queen
wore?  Very few for sure! It would be most interesting to know the real actions
of all involved. Antoinette
enjoyed acting, but in her time of stress, would she have been careful
in her actions?  One does wonder.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, "axel" <Rand103242@...>
wrote:
>
> "Ms Feydeay said smelling the Queen's Wake is "as if you're walking past a
magnificent bouquet comprising flowers of every season. It has an incredible
fullness."
>
> "Marie Antoinette's love of perfumes is believed to be her undoing. Many
accounts have been written of the events of 20 June, 1791, when Louis XVI, Marie
Antoinette and their family retinue attempted to escape to eastern France, where
troops loyal to the monarchy were waiting.
>
> "Their flight was cut off at Varennes where they were recognised and arrested.
>
> "One version has it that a vigilant chamber-maid, observing the queen's
travelling chest packed with several months' supplies of powders, pommades and
perfumes, realised that the royal family were making a break for it.
>
> "Ms Feydeau believes the truth may have been much simpler, however. Late-18th
century France was a pungent place, a world of open drains, cesspits and sewers
and where taking a bath was a rare indulgence.
>
> " "The queen's fragrance must have made a strong contrast. I think it may well
have been her scent that gave her away, either to other travellers or to people
at the inn where they stopped," Ms Feydeau said.
>
> "Her toilette played as eloquent a part in her fall as it had in her prime.
Part of the mythology surrounding the royal family's flight from Paris and
capture at Varennes in June 1791 is that it was by Marie Antoinette's perfume
that they were recognised; a legend that again makes the queen culpable for her
femininity and glamour.
>
> "The royal couple were taken back to Paris under escort and publicly executed
two years later.
>
> Quoted from article "Perfume that sent Marie Antoinette to guillotine weaves
its spell again"
>
http://news.scotsman.com/topstories/Perfume-that-sent-Marie-Antoinette.2835707.j\
p
>
>
>
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia" <MadameAntoine@>
wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this, Axel.  I was wondering at what the ingredients were
for her scent. As someone who has taken classes in aromatherapy using the
essential oils in a healing manner, I would love to try and re-create this scent
that was created for her.
> >
> > High quality essential oils can be very expensive, especially the sandalwood
and damask rose. I would think that damask rose would also be including in any
perfume for Marie Antoinette since she loved roses so much...I would certainly
add a hint of rose to the scent.
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Patricia
> >
> > --- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, "axel" <Rand103242@>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This is a book review of Marie Antoinette's perfumer and the scents the
Queen enjoyed and brought to her life at Versailles palace and beyond.
> > >
> > > "Jean-Louis Fargeon was the perfumer to Marie Antoinette. Born in 1748,
seven years before the birth of the future Queen of France, Jean-Louis was the
first-born son in a long line of apothecaries and perfumers. This book follows
the trajectory of Jean-Louis' life as he masters the skills of a perfumer,
develops his business and serves as perfumer to Marie Antoinette. The history of
the French revolution is interwoven into the tale.
> > >
> > > "Title: A Scented Palace, The Secret History of Marie Antoinette's
Perfumer
> > > Author: Elisabeth de Feydeau
> > > Translator: Jane Lizop
> > > Publisher: I.B. Tauris, London, New York (2006)
> > > Category: Non-fiction, history, biography
> > > Price: US$22 hardcover (www.amazon.com)
> > > Number of Pages: 114 before appendices, 140 including appendices
> > >
> > > "My favourite passage:
> > > "Finally the perfumer had to reinforce the depth and perfect the harmony
of his preparation. Vanilla would lend a warm and delicious touch, soft and
velvety, redolent of Marie Antoinette's childhood and her fondness for Viennese
pastries, a gourmet hint of sweetness and gentleness. Cedar and sandalwood would
add the note of the wooded lanes of the Trianon. Amber and musk would overlay
the entire composition with a sensual, animal fervour, and a pinch of benzoin
would add warmth and tenacity to the whole." (page 70)
> > >
> > > "Why I chose this book:
> > > A good friend/blogging fan noticed that I was researching and writing
about Marie Antoinette in the fall and gave me this book for my birthday.
> > >
> > > "Rating: B
> > > While this book was well-written, I found the volume slim with 114 pages.
The footnotes are not extensive and the source of material that this biography
is based on is not really clear (other than a mention of Fargeon's papers).
> > >
> > > "The book was amusing but did not really provide much new information
about the time period, with the exception of the passages about the toilette
preparations of Marie Antoinette. Nevertheless, I think that it is good read for
die-hard Marie Antoinette fans. I simply cannot get enough of this fashion icon.
> > > Posted By Ingrid Mida At 8:40 Pm
> > > Sunday, January 25, 2009
> > >
> > > *************************
> > >
> > > The quoted post above was written by Ingrid Mida and can be viewed in
context at Ingrid's
> > > Blog / Website "Fashion is My Muse" � Html or link: 
http://fashionismymuse.blogspot.com/
> > > Please also see the artwork for this post � photo "Ingrid 12 � MA: Scented
Palace" in the "Ingrid Mida � Antoinette" photo album folder I've set up, in
"Photos" for this group -
> > >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Images_of_Marie_Antoinette/photos/album/0/list
> > >
> > > This piece is re-posted here at Images of Marie Antoinette with the kind
permission of Ingrid Mida and is the 12th of a series of reposts about Marie
Antoinette and her fashions for the enjoyment of our group.  Your comments are
most welcome.
> > >
> > > Axel
> > >
> >
>

#9413

From: "axel" <Rand103242@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 12:29 am
Subject: Did Antoinette�s perfumed scent cause her capture at Varennes

ax71489

Offline

"Ms Feydeay said smelling the Queen's Wake is "as if you're walking past a
magnificent bouquet comprising flowers of every season. It has an incredible
fullness."

"Marie Antoinette's love of perfumes is believed to be her undoing. Many
accounts have been written of the events of 20 June, 1791, when Louis XVI, Marie
Antoinette and their family retinue attempted to escape to eastern France, where
troops loyal to the monarchy were waiting.

"Their flight was cut off at Varennes where they were recognised and arrested.

"One version has it that a vigilant chamber-maid, observing the queen's
travelling chest packed with several months' supplies of powders, pommades and
perfumes, realised that the royal family were making a break for it.

"Ms Feydeau believes the truth may have been much simpler, however. Late-18th
century France was a pungent place, a world of open drains, cesspits and sewers
and where taking a bath was a rare indulgence.

" "The queen's fragrance must have made a strong contrast. I think it may well
have been her scent that gave her away, either to other travellers or to people
at the inn where they stopped," Ms Feydeau said.

"Her toilette played as eloquent a part in her fall as it had in her prime. Part
of the mythology surrounding the royal family's flight from Paris and capture at
Varennes in June 1791 is that it was by Marie Antoinette's perfume that they
were recognised; a legend that again makes the queen culpable for her femininity
and glamour.

"The royal couple were taken back to Paris under escort and publicly executed
two years later.

Quoted from article "Perfume that sent Marie Antoinette to guillotine weaves its
spell again"
http://news.scotsman.com/topstories/Perfume-that-sent-Marie-Antoinette.2835707.j\
p




--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia"
<MadameAntoine@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this, Axel.  I was wondering at what the ingredients were
for her scent. As someone who has taken classes in aromatherapy using the
essential oils in a healing manner, I would love to try and re-create this scent
that was created for her.
>
> High quality essential oils can be very expensive, especially the sandalwood
and damask rose. I would think that damask rose would also be including in any
perfume for Marie Antoinette since she loved roses so much...I would certainly
add a hint of rose to the scent.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, "axel" <Rand103242@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is a book review of Marie Antoinette's perfumer and the scents the
Queen enjoyed and brought to her life at Versailles palace and beyond.
> >
> > "Jean-Louis Fargeon was the perfumer to Marie Antoinette. Born in 1748,
seven years before the birth of the future Queen of France, Jean-Louis was the
first-born son in a long line of apothecaries and perfumers. This book follows
the trajectory of Jean-Louis' life as he masters the skills of a perfumer,
develops his business and serves as perfumer to Marie Antoinette. The history of
the French revolution is interwoven into the tale.
> >
> > "Title: A Scented Palace, The Secret History of Marie Antoinette's Perfumer
> > Author: Elisabeth de Feydeau
> > Translator: Jane Lizop
> > Publisher: I.B. Tauris, London, New York (2006)
> > Category: Non-fiction, history, biography
> > Price: US$22 hardcover (www.amazon.com)
> > Number of Pages: 114 before appendices, 140 including appendices
> >
> > "My favourite passage:
> > "Finally the perfumer had to reinforce the depth and perfect the harmony of
his preparation. Vanilla would lend a warm and delicious touch, soft and
velvety, redolent of Marie Antoinette's childhood and her fondness for Viennese
pastries, a gourmet hint of sweetness and gentleness. Cedar and sandalwood would
add the note of the wooded lanes of the Trianon. Amber and musk would overlay
the entire composition with a sensual, animal fervour, and a pinch of benzoin
would add warmth and tenacity to the whole." (page 70)
> >
> > "Why I chose this book:
> > A good friend/blogging fan noticed that I was researching and writing about
Marie Antoinette in the fall and gave me this book for my birthday.
> >
> > "Rating: B
> > While this book was well-written, I found the volume slim with 114 pages.
The footnotes are not extensive and the source of material that this biography
is based on is not really clear (other than a mention of Fargeon's papers).
> >
> > "The book was amusing but did not really provide much new information about
the time period, with the exception of the passages about the toilette
preparations of Marie Antoinette. Nevertheless, I think that it is good read for
die-hard Marie Antoinette fans. I simply cannot get enough of this fashion icon.
> > Posted By Ingrid Mida At 8:40 Pm
> > Sunday, January 25, 2009
> >
> > *************************
> >
> > The quoted post above was written by Ingrid Mida and can be viewed in
context at Ingrid's
> > Blog / Website "Fashion is My Muse" � Html or link: 
http://fashionismymuse.blogspot.com/
> > Please also see the artwork for this post � photo "Ingrid 12 � MA: Scented
Palace" in the "Ingrid Mida � Antoinette" photo album folder I've set up, in
"Photos" for this group -
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Images_of_Marie_Antoinette/photos/album/0/list
> >
> > This piece is re-posted here at Images of Marie Antoinette with the kind
permission of Ingrid Mida and is the 12th of a series of reposts about Marie
Antoinette and her fashions for the enjoyment of our group.  Your comments are
most welcome.
> >
> > Axel
> >
>

#9412

From: "alecker23" <alecker23@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: A mini series on Marie Antoinette's life

alecker23

Offline

For me ,the Kirsten Dunst movie was not terrific.

--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
>  
> When I read Victoria Holt's Confessions of a Queen, I was moved to tears also
when her children were taken from her. It left a far more indelible impression
on me than the movie does.  But I understand your thinking in that respect.  I
appreciate that.
>  
> An excellent character study movie would be good if it had the right cast,
screen writer with the intuitive perseptibility to understand the dynamics of
this woman's life, and the right actress to capture her many facets in her
personality and character.
>  
> A mini series would probably drub it down to plot and action, and little real
understanding of the Queen's ways.  But I would love to see a miniseries done
according to my whims and fancies too...now who in Hollywood can understand
that?  or in France?  I would prefer it to be French made actually, but only
from a sympathizer to the crown.
> Actually, the Kirsten Dunst movie was just eyecandy as they call it, all sex
and glamour, but the country scenes were adorable to me...I loved the idyllic
capture of the beauty of nature and when I visited the Hameau region, that is
what impressed me most about it, its serenity, beauty, and freedom from the
cares of the court.
>  
> When one realizes that Antoinette was severely criticized for this part of her
life, one realizes the amount of enmity that has been aroused against her.  
It is a very sad chapter in French history.
> My best,
> Jan
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:28 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think
they did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon
and the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways.
I was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to
France, but the 1938 movie,
> which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
> Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the
cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to
tears each time I watch it. When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong
emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a
movie.
>
> I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
> play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so
many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach
the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Patricia,
> > Â 
> > Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her
friends?Â 
> > Â 
> > If so, did you like it or not?Â  Do you believe it was fair to her
image?Â 
> > Â 
> > I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and
a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been
like.Â  In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten
Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize
that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
> > Â 
> > While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM
version, it is good drama for thespians.Â  If I were still in the classroom
teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what
they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before
she must go to her execution.
> > Â 
> > I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her
depicted when I visited there.
> > Â 
> > I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that
some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind,
thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.Â Â  I was a bit
disconcerted about this.Â  There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed
a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations
in that setting.Â  The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were
harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.Â Â  I noticed that... But
seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably
taken wrong by eavesdroppers.Â  I found a man and his son frankly trying to
keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.Â 
> > Â 
> > But I managed to see them anyway.Â Â  I had to assert myself quite often
when I was in Paris.
> > Â 
> > Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.Â  The Conciergerie
was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be
honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
> > Â 
> > I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change
from time to time.
> > Â 
> > One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.Â  The cell is
small, a facsimile of the real one.Â  There is small bed which is upfront
closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a
small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying
before the cross.Â  She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks
tiny and small in this barren room.Â HOwever, though she is draped in black
her white hair does show through.Â  All one can see is her profile as she is
kneeling.Â  There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one
that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look
up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
> > Â 
> > The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians
say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and
was deprived as well of creature comforts.Â  That is an irony to me, to learn
of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in
common.Â  They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for
privacy.
> > Â 
> > I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long
except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of
hostility... from men, not women...
> > Â 
> > My best to you, Jan
> > Â 
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> > Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
> >
> >
> > Â 
> >
> >
> >
> > This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be
one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and
really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They
normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of
her execution.
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Patricia
> >
> > --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > HI Tim,Â  Thanks so much.Â  I have seen this movie starring Norma
Shearer and it is wonderfully made.Â  I have attempted to save it in my
files.Â  Jan
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@
yahoogroups. com>
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Â 
> > >
> > >
> > > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> > >
> > >
> > > looks interesting, aÂ  MAÂ  movie made in 1939
> > >
> > > Â  googleÂ Â  andÂ  get the Â  pandoÂ Â  softwareÂ 
installed,
> > >
> > > get theÂ  attachment on this e mail
> > > go to documentsÂ  click on the downloaded pando file
> > > and the movie will begin to download....Â  easy !
> > >
> > > get movingÂ  cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another
day
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#9411

From: "Anne F" <Anne_foote@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:47 pm
Subject: MA held her head up to end...Queen had correct posture

anne_foote

Offline

Janet

You are absolutely correct about MA holding her head up;  As a child and young
lady she would have taught or forced to hold her head up, straight back,
shoulders back and down.  She almost certainly would have thought it IMPOSSIBLE
to slouch as we do today.  In the 18 century girls had to accept the discomfort
of being forced into the "correct" postures and shapes by corsets, busks,
backboards and collars desigend to stop the chin dropping in an unladylike way.

Annie
--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@...> wrote:
>
> HI Jimmy,  I could not figure out which post you had been responding to so I
had to hunt for it and I finally found it...I found that Norma Shearer's
interpretation was a little too exaggerated and over dramatic for my tastes...it
was sheer old Hollywood tear jerker mode and I do not believe that it did
Antoinette fairly at all.    However, the gowns were absolutely stunning as
were the hairstyles...MGM spent a lot of research on it, but I don't believe in
the version of Antoinette that they painted at all.  It is just too typically
Hollywood.
>  
> I prefer reality, and if the portraits of the Queen demonstrate anything at
that time, is the fact that even though humiliated in being carried across town
in a cart with her hands tied behind her back, she held her head up, and would
not give an inch to the cries of the hideous crowd around her...That is a
strange sight to see, as it says so much about her...whether it is true or not,
it is the artist's depiction and there are supposed comments to criticize her
for it even...she stood up for herself to the bitter end, even in the worst of
health, the hemmorhaging she suffered and the diarrhea that she had just
expelled...she kept her head up, and chin up, syndrome, jolly well, the British
would understand, I guess, and the Hapsburg in her carried her through to her
end...I am sure she was saying the Rosary to herself the entire time...God bless
her...Jan
>
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, jimmy <keltwhip@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
> Subject: Re: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:49 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> re: by ending where they flee paris
>
> Actually, I believe they ended the Sophia Coppolla version with the royals
being dragged/escorted back to Paris after the storming of Versailles, if I'm
not mistaken. But I split hairs.
>
> And I agree, I WOULD like to see a re=make of the 1938 version, updated with
what we know now.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "iluvmiguel4evr9@ aol.com" <iluvmiguel4evr9@ aol.com>
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 1:00:03 PM
> Subject: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie
>
>  
>
>
> i loved this movie as well!!! i would like to find it on vhs or dvd so i can
own it. the 2005 version of MA doesn't compare. i was quite disappointed in that
movie actually seeing it cut of a great deal of MA's story, by ending where they
flee paris. the 1938 film was definitely a better plot, and very awesome! it
would be cool if they could remake the 1938 one with the technology they have
today. kinda make it like they did with the passion, have it be all in the
original languages and have english subtitles, that way it would be like viewing
the life of MA from afar.. who knows. maybe some hollywood director will
eventually realize that her story is the greatest and they will make a totally
AWESOME movie about it.
>  
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:02:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
keltwhip@yahoo. com writes:
>  
>
>
>
> I agree bout the colorization. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to see one of
the dresses in reality. It belongs to a man who once was on Philly TV and has a
collection of Hollywood memorabilia. He exhibited it along with other film items
at Caesar's casino in Atlantic City many years ago. I believe it was the dress
from the scene when the King and Queen are consulting with the King's brothers
(Artois and Provence) and the King's commanders regarding what to do now that
the Paris mobs were marching on Versailles. The dress is actually quite dark as
in the film, dark green and black. It was quite spectacular.
>
> Supposedly, Debbie Reynolds has some of the costumes from the film as well in
her collections. If you're able to find descriptions about the costume creations
for this film you'll be stunned at the expense. MA would have been jealous!
>
> When I was a young teenager, I ran past the TV set when my mother was watching
this film on the afternoon "Early Show" out of New York. I stopped short because
I saw Norma in the prison cell scene so disheveled and broken. I was stunned and
have never forgotten that moment. It remauns one of my favorite films of all
time. I fell in love with MA (and Norma Shearer) at that moment. LOL!
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@yahoo. com>
> To: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_
Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> Cc: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_
Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:16:00 PM
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
>
>  
>
>
> Same here I had seen this movie and wanted to learn more about MA and has led
to my interest also!! I so wish it had been made in color like it was suppose to
be, all the dresses and decor would have been much better!
>
> Best Regards, Tina Wilson
>
>
>
> On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma
Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year
at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was
the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was
spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was
brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.
>
> It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual
total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma
Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of
MA.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
> To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@
yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
> Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
>
>  
>
>
> I may be wrong, it might be a  1938 movie ....
>  I ve got about   1/5 th of it  downloaded so far
>
> if anyone wants it,  get moving, cos they are only stored up
> at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.
>
>
>
>
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> HI Tim,  Thanks so much.  I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and
it is wonderfully made.  I have attempted to save it in my files.  Jan
>
> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:
>
>
> From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
> Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@
yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
>
>
>  
>
> looks interesting, a  MA  movie made in 1939
>
>   google   and  get the   pando   software  installed,
>
> get the  attachment on this e mail
> go to documents  click on the downloaded pando file
> and the movie will begin to download....  easy !
>
> get moving  cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> or  so  !   ( today is wed )
>
>
>
> New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
>

#9410

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:22 am
Subject: Re: Costumes from 1938 Marie Antoinette movie

janetcfauble

Offline

Oh, by the way, I did go to Debbie's website and found a few gowns there, and a reference to the gown worn by Norma Shearer, but there was no image of it available at her website. Jan

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, janet fauble <janetcfauble@...> wrote:

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Subject: Costumes from 1938 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 12:48 PM

Jimmy,

Does Debbie have a website where she might have that gown on display? I will search google to see if she does, and if you find out before I do, let us know, please. Jan

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:34 PM

I agree bout the colorization. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to see one of the dresses in reality. It belongs to a man who once was on Philly TV and has a collection of Hollywood memorabilia. He exhibited it along with other film items at Caesar's casino in Atlantic City many years ago. I believe it was the dress from the scene when the King and Queen are consulting with the King's brothers (Artois and Provence) and the King's commanders regarding what to do now that the Paris mobs were marching on Versailles. The dress is actually quite dark as in the film, dark green and black. It was quite spectacular.

Supposedly, Debbie Reynolds has some of the costumes from the film as well in her collections. If you're able to find descriptions about the costume creations for this film you'll be stunned at the expense. MA would have been jealous!

When I was a young teenager, I ran past the TV set when my mother was watching this film on the afternoon "Early Show" out of New York. I stopped short because I saw Norma in the prison cell scene so disheveled and broken. I was stunned and have never forgotten that moment. It remauns one of my favorite films of all time. I fell in love with MA (and Norma Shearer) at that moment. LOL!

Jimmy

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@yahoo. com>
To: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Cc: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Same here I had seen this movie and wanted to learn more about MA and has led to my interest also!! I so wish it had been made in color like it was suppose to be, all the dresses and decor would have been much better!

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9409

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:21 am
Subject: Re: MA right to free herself from horrid French aristocracy

janetcfauble

Offline

Hi Jimmy,

In danger of being condemned here? Hmmm...more than just the aristocracy were unfairly brought to justice at the hands of Madame Guillotine: innocent priests, nuns, children, anyone who was even remotely suspicious of being friendly towards the crown, and only some of the aristocracy probably were contemptible enough to warrant being deserving of such a horrible fate as determined by a maddened frenzy...that was a blanket statement which you yourself know that you made only to incite an argument possibly...nobody can say that anyone truly deserved to lose their lives due to their position in society...that is totally ridiculous...judge not lest you be judged means that to the degree that what if it were your head on the line? just because you think it is o.k. to lop someone's head off because they are a wee bit different from you...that is why Voltaire said he would defend anyone's right to disagree whether he agreed with them or not...the point is that it you let it happen to someone else, it can and will probably happen to you too...think again, Jimmy! Jan

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, jimmy <keltwhip@...> wrote:

From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
Subject: MA right to free herself from horrid French aristocracy
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 4:12 PM

All,

MA was hated before she even arrived in France, she was an Austrian. The court was tyrannical, cruel, arrogant, greedy and downright bitchy (and at the danger of being condemned here, the aristocracy [with the possible exception of Therese deLamballe] deserved everything they got. It's a cautionary tale for all the greedy bankers in our own time). I do not blame MA for creating her own world free of those people. Any Scorpio would have done the same. (BTW: I'm a Scorpio. LOL!).

Jimmy

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@ yahoo.com>
To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 12:30:23 PM
Subject: A mini series on Marie Antoinette's life

Hello Patricia,

When I read Victoria Holt's Confessions of a Queen, I was moved to tears also when her children were taken from her. It left a far more indelible impression on me than the movie does. But I understand your thinking in that respect. I appreciate that.

An excellent character study movie would be good if it had the right cast, screen writer with the intuitive perseptibility to understand the dynamics of this woman's life, and the right actress to capture her many facets in her personality and character.

A mini series would probably drub it down to plot and action, and little real understanding of the Queen's ways. But I would love to see a miniseries done according to my whims and fancies too...now who in Hollywood can understand that? or in France? I would prefer it to be French made actually, but only from a sympathizer to the crown.

Actually, the Kirsten Dunst movie was just eyecandy as they call it, all sex and glamour, but the country scenes were adorable to me...I loved the idyllic capture of the beauty of nature and when I visited the Hameau region, that is what impressed me most about it, its serenity, beauty, and freedom from the cares of the court.

When one realizes that Antoinette was severely criticized for this part of her life, one realizes the amount of enmity that has been aroused against her. It is a very sad chapter in French history.

My best,

Jan

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ aol.com> wrote:

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:28 AM

Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think they did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon and the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways. I was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to France, but the 1938 movie,
which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to tears each time I watch it. When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a movie.

I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> Â
> Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her friends?Â
> Â
> If so, did you like it or not?Â Do you believe it was fair to her image?Â
> Â
> I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like.Â In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
> Â
> While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM version, it is good drama for thespians.Â If I were still in the classroom teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before she must go to her execution.
> Â
> I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her depicted when I visited there.
> Â
> I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind, thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.Â Â I was a bit disconcerted about this.Â There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations in that setting.Â The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.Â Â I noticed that... But seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably taken wrong by eavesdroppers.Â I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.Â
> Â
> But I managed to see them anyway.Â Â I had to assert myself quite often when I was in Paris.
> Â
> Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.Â The Conciergerie was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
> Â
> I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from time to time.
> Â
> One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.Â The cell is small, a facsimile of the real one.Â There is small bed which is upfront closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying before the cross.Â She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks tiny and small in this barren room.Â HOwever, though she is draped in black her white hair does show through.Â All one can see is her profile as she is kneeling.Â There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
> Â
> The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was deprived as well of creature comforts.Â That is an irony to me, to learn of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common.Â They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.
> Â
> I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of hostility... from men, not women...
> Â
> My best to you, Jan
> Â
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of her execution.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tim,Â Thanks so much.Â I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made.Â I have attempted to save it in my files.Â Jan
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> >
> >
> > looks interesting, aÂ MAÂ movie made in 1939
> >
> > Â googleÂ Â andÂ get the Â pandoÂ Â softwareÂ installed,
> >
> > get theÂ attachment on this e mail
> > go to documentsÂ click on the downloaded pando file
> > and the movie will begin to download....Â easy !
> >
> > get movingÂ cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> > orÂ soÂ !Â Â ( today is wed )
> >
> >
> >
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>

#9408

From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:12 pm
Subject: MA right to free herself from horrid French aristocracy

keltwhip

Offline

All,

MA was hated before she even arrived in France, she was an Austrian. The court was tyrannical, cruel, arrogant, greedy and downright bitchy (and at the danger of being condemned here, the aristocracy [with the possible exception of Therese deLamballe] deserved everything they got. It's a cautionary tale for all the greedy bankers in our own time). I do not blame MA for creating her own world free of those people. Any Scorpio would have done the same. (BTW: I'm a Scorpio. LOL!).

Jimmy

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 12:30:23 PM
Subject: A mini series on Marie Antoinette's life

Hello Patricia,

When I read Victoria Holt's Confessions of a Queen, I was moved to tears also when her children were taken from her. It left a far more indelible impression on me than the movie does. But I understand your thinking in that respect. I appreciate that.

An excellent character study movie would be good if it had the right cast, screen writer with the intuitive perseptibility to understand the dynamics of this woman's life, and the right actress to capture her many facets in her personality and character.

A mini series would probably drub it down to plot and action, and little real understanding of the Queen's ways. But I would love to see a miniseries done according to my whims and fancies too...now who in Hollywood can understand that? or in France? I would prefer it to be French made actually, but only from a sympathizer to the crown.

Actually, the Kirsten Dunst movie was just eyecandy as they call it, all sex and glamour, but the country scenes were adorable to me...I loved the idyllic capture of the beauty of nature and when I visited the Hameau region, that is what impressed me most about it, its serenity, beauty, and freedom from the cares of the court.

When one realizes that Antoinette was severely criticized for this part of her life, one realizes the amount of enmity that has been aroused against her. It is a very sad chapter in French history.

My best,

Jan

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ aol.com> wrote:

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:28 AM

Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think they did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon and the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways. I was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to France, but the 1938 movie,
which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to tears each time I watch it. When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a movie.

I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> Â
> Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her friends?Â
> Â
> If so, did you like it or not?Â Do you believe it was fair to her image?Â
> Â
> I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like.Â In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
> Â
> While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM version, it is good drama for thespians.Â If I were still in the classroom teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before she must go to her execution.
> Â
> I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her depicted when I visited there.
> Â
> I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind, thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.Â Â I was a bit disconcerted about this.Â There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations in that setting.Â The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.Â Â I noticed that... But seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably taken wrong by eavesdroppers.Â I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.Â
> Â
> But I managed to see them anyway.Â Â I had to assert myself quite often when I was in Paris.
> Â
> Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.Â The Conciergerie was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
> Â
> I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from time to time.
> Â
> One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.Â The cell is small, a facsimile of the real one.Â There is small bed which is upfront closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying before the cross.Â She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks tiny and small in this barren room.Â HOwever, though she is draped in black her white hair does show through.Â All one can see is her profile as she is kneeling.Â There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
> Â
> The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was deprived as well of creature comforts.Â That is an irony to me, to learn of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common.Â They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.
> Â
> I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of hostility... from men, not women...
> Â
> My best to you, Jan
> Â
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of her execution.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tim,Â Thanks so much.Â I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made.Â I have attempted to save it in my files.Â Jan
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> >
> >
> > looks interesting, aÂ MAÂ movie made in 1939
> >
> > Â googleÂ Â andÂ get the Â pandoÂ Â softwareÂ installed,
> >
> > get theÂ attachment on this e mail
> > go to documentsÂ click on the downloaded pando file
> > and the movie will begin to download....Â easy !
> >
> > get movingÂ cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> > orÂ soÂ !Â Â ( today is wed )
> >
> >
> >
> > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
> >
>

#9407

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:36 am
Subject: Holt's moving MA book: Confessions of a Queen

janetcfauble

Offline

Oh, Tim, no, I read the book, and did not listen to the audio tapes. This book was given to me by a Patricia H back in the 60's. I read it so long ago that I have forgotten most of it. I do recall that you did provide the audio tapes here but I did not hear them...That book was my first introduction to Antoinette...that was in California in 1967 or thereabouts...Jan

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@...> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@...>
Subject: RE: A mini series on Marie Antoinette's life
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:18 PM

quote
When I read Victoria Holt's Confessions of a Queen, I was moved to tears
end quote

should nt that read...... when I " heard" Confessions of a Queen.... ?
I sent the whole audio in remember ............ .

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:30:23 -0800
Subject: A mini series on Marie Antoinette's life

Hello Patricia,

When I read Victoria Holt's Confessions of a Queen, I was moved to tears also when her children were taken from her. It left a far more indelible impression on me than the movie does. But I understand your thinking in that respect. I appreciate that.

An excellent character study movie would be good if it had the right cast, screen writer with the intuitive perseptibility to understand the dynamics of this woman's life, and the right actress to capture her many facets in her personality and character.

A mini series would probably drub it down to plot and action, and little real understanding of the Queen's ways. But I would love to see a miniseries done according to my whims and fancies too...now who in Hollywood can understand that? or in France? I would prefer it to be French made actually, but only from a sympathizer to the crown.

Actually, the Kirsten Dunst movie was just eyecandy as they call it, all sex and glamour, but the country scenes were adorable to me...I loved the idyllic capture of the beauty of nature and when I visited the Hameau region, that is what impressed me most about it, its serenity, beauty, and freedom from the cares of the court.

When one realizes that Antoinette was severely criticized for this part of her life, one realizes the amount of enmity that has been aroused against her. It is a very sad chapter in French history.

My best,

Jan

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ aol.com> wrote:

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:28 AM

Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think they did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon and the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways. I was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to France, but the 1938 movie,
which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to tears each time I watch it. When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a movie.

I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> Â
> Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her friends?Â
> Â
> If so, did you like it or not?Â Do you believe it was fair to her image?Â
> Â
> I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like.Â In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
> Â
> While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM version, it is good drama for thespians.Â If I were still in the classroom teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before she must go to her execution.
> Â
> I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her depicted when I visited there.
> Â
> I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind, thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.Â Â I was a bit disconcerted about this.Â There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations in that setting.Â The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.Â Â I noticed that... But seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably taken wrong by eavesdroppers.Â I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.Â
> Â
> But I managed to see them anyway.Â Â I had to assert myself quite often when I was in Paris.
> Â
> Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.Â The Conciergerie was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
> Â
> I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from time to time.
> Â
> One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.Â The cell is small, a facsimile of the real one.Â There is small bed which is upfront closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying before the cross.Â She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks tiny and small in this barren room.Â HOwever, though she is draped in black her white hair does show through.Â All one can see is her profile as she is kneeling.Â There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
> Â
> The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was deprived as well of creature comforts.Â That is an irony to me, to learn of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common.Â They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.
> Â
> I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of hostility... from men, not women...
> Â
> My best to you, Jan
> Â
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of her execution.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tim,Â Thanks so much.Â I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made.Â I have attempted to save it in my files.Â Jan
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> >
> >
> > looks interesting, aÂ MAÂ movie made in 1939
> >
> > Â googleÂ Â andÂ get the Â pandoÂ Â softwareÂ installed,
> >
> > get theÂ attachment on this e mail
> > go to documentsÂ click on the downloaded pando file
> > and the movie will begin to download....Â easy !
> >
> > get movingÂ cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> > orÂ soÂ !Â Â ( today is wed )
> >
> >
> >
> > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
> >
>

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#9406

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:18 pm
Subject: RE: A mini series on Marie Antoinette's life

timm_collins...

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quote
When I read Victoria Holt's Confessions of a Queen, I was moved to tears
end quote

should nt that read...... when I " heard" Confessions of a Queen.... ?
I sent the whole audio in remember .............

To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
From: janetcfauble@...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:30:23 -0800
Subject: A mini series on Marie Antoinette's life

Hello Patricia,

When one realizes that Antoinette was severely criticized for this part of her life, one realizes the amount of enmity that has been aroused against her. It is a very sad chapter in French history.

My best,

Jan

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@aol.com> wrote:

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:28 AM

Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think they did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon and the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways. I was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to France, but the 1938 movie,
which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to tears each time I watch it. When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a movie.

I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> �
> Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her friends?�
> �
> If so, did you like it or not?� Do you believe it was fair to her image?�
> �
> I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like.� In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
> �
> While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM version, it is good drama for thespians.� If I were still in the classroom teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before she must go to her execution.
> �
> I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her depicted when I visited there.
> �
> I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind, thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.� � I was a bit disconcerted about this.� There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations in that setting.� The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.� � I noticed that... But seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably taken wrong by eavesdroppers.� I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.�
> �
> But I managed to see them anyway.� � I had to assert myself quite often when I was in Paris.
> �
> Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.� The Conciergerie was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
> �
> I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from time to time.
> �
> One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.� The cell is small, a facsimile of the real one.� There is small bed which is upfront closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying before the cross.� She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks tiny and small in this barren room.� HOwever, though she is draped in black her white hair does show through.� All one can see is her profile as she is kneeling.� There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
> �
> The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was deprived as well of creature comforts.� That is an irony to me, to learn of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common.� They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.
> �
> I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of hostility... from men, not women...
> �
> My best to you, Jan
> �
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of her execution.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tim,� Thanks so much.� I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made.� I have attempted to save it in my files.� Jan
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> > �
> >
> >
> > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> >
> >
> > looks interesting, a� MA� movie made in 1939
> >
> > � google� � and� get the � pando� � software� installed,
> >
> > get the� attachment on this e mail
> > go to documents� click on the downloaded pando file
> > and the movie will begin to download....� easy !
> >
> > get moving� cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> > or� so� !� � ( today is wed )
> >
> >
> >
> > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
> >
>

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#9405

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:30 pm
Subject: A mini series on Marie Antoinette's life

janetcfauble

Offline

Hello Patricia,

When one realizes that Antoinette was severely criticized for this part of her life, one realizes the amount of enmity that has been aroused against her. It is a very sad chapter in French history.

My best,

Jan

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@...> wrote:

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@...>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:28 AM

Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think they did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon and the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways. I was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to France, but the 1938 movie,
which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to tears each time I watch it. When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a movie.

I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> Â
> Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her friends?Â
> Â
> If so, did you like it or not?Â Do you believe it was fair to her image?Â
> Â
> I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like.Â In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
> Â
> While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM version, it is good drama for thespians.Â If I were still in the classroom teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before she must go to her execution.
> Â
> I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her depicted when I visited there.
> Â
> I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind, thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.Â Â I was a bit disconcerted about this.Â There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations in that setting.Â The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.Â Â I noticed that... But seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably taken wrong by eavesdroppers.Â I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.Â
> Â
> But I managed to see them anyway.Â Â I had to assert myself quite often when I was in Paris.
> Â
> Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.Â The Conciergerie was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
> Â
> I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from time to time.
> Â
> One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.Â The cell is small, a facsimile of the real one.Â There is small bed which is upfront closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying before the cross.Â She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks tiny and small in this barren room.Â HOwever, though she is draped in black her white hair does show through.Â All one can see is her profile as she is kneeling.Â There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
> Â
> The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was deprived as well of creature comforts.Â That is an irony to me, to learn of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common.Â They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.
> Â
> I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of hostility... from men, not women...
> Â
> My best to you, Jan
> Â
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of her execution.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tim,Â Thanks so much.Â I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made.Â I have attempted to save it in my files.Â Jan
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> >
> >
> > looks interesting, aÂ MAÂ movie made in 1939
> >
> > Â googleÂ Â andÂ get the Â pandoÂ Â softwareÂ installed,
> >
> > get theÂ attachment on this e mail
> > go to documentsÂ click on the downloaded pando file
> > and the movie will begin to download....Â easy !
> >
> > get movingÂ cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> > orÂ soÂ !Â Â ( today is wed )
> >
> >
> >
> > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
> >
>

#9404

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

janetcfauble

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George,

The letters from Antoinette to her mother are more interesting than either of these movies. Olivier Berniere has written several great books about this time period, and his choice of simply letting Antoinette and Marie Therese speak for themselves is the best evidence of who and how Antoinette was as a young woman and prospective Queen. I liked those far better than any screenwriter's misinterpretation of her life through celluloid.

But I did like Sofia Coppola's version as it was intended to be a look at a young teenager and designed for Hollywood teenagers today, showing a kind of satirical and tongue in cheek look at a historical figure trapped in an environment trying to cope at her best with foreign ways. It was not intended to be a historical study of the Queen but a modern day hip look at a person of the past...the Queen was a kind of metaphor for Spiderman today I could see...it was with that kind of spirit that launched this film I think...besides her famous father was with her all the time, allowing for the relationship of film icons to be compared to old time historical kings and queens, whose birthright made them become what they were.

Were it not for Antoinette's personal independence, her reluctance to always listen to the counsel and advice of her mother, she would not be an interesting woman to study. She would be just another queen of the court...Few spend hours studying any other Queen of France as certainly Joan of Arc is far more interesting.

Queen's, like lapdogs, stayed in their place. Antoinette was a most unusual and different young girl in that respect. She upset the decorum of the court on more than one occasion...again, she brought this upon herself, and she suffered the consequences...She cannot avoid that responsibility.

Romantics like to include the story of Axel Fersen in her life as though that were some scandalous affair to impugn her character and reputation...Axel remains one of those figures who mystery intrigues and little more than a very good friend whose love and devotion was most sincere. He should not be misunderstood for his steadfast loyalty to her and her family.

Jan

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, George Caffine <geocaffine@...> wrote:

From: George Caffine <geocaffine@...>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 6:15 AM

Although parts of this discussion are not my cup of tea, I feel compelled to add this: Marie Antoinette was a woman in transition. From her first day in France to her leaving of it, she was in constant change. First, frivolous and oblivious, followed by becoming a dutiful mother. She gave her opinion bt throwing the delegation out so they had to retire to the tennis court. She showed herself as a powerful figure, standing on the balcony, fearlessly facing the mob. Before they crafted the infamous diamond necklace she induced her family to stop buying expensive jewelry. Her time in prison and her final days showed another new side of her, brave, resigned to that undeserved fate, becoming the person we all admire.

I liked the Norma Shearer movie and disliked the Kirsten Dunst version. Neither movie portrayed the woman as living a life of personal growth.

George

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ aol.com>
To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 5:28:55 AM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think they did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon and the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways. I was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to France, but the 1938 movie,
which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to tears each time I watch it. When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a movie.

I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> Â
> Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her friends?Â
> Â
> If so, did you like it or not?Â Do you believe it was fair to her image?Â
> Â
> I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like.Â In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
> Â
> While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM version, it is good drama for thespians.Â If I were still in the classroom teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before she must go to her execution.
> Â
> I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her depicted when I visited there.
> Â
> I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind, thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.Â Â I was a bit disconcerted about this.Â There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations in that setting.Â The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.Â Â I noticed that... But seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably taken wrong by eavesdroppers.Â I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.Â
> Â
> But I managed to see them anyway.Â Â I had to assert myself quite often when I was in Paris.
> Â
> Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.Â The Conciergerie was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
> Â
> I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from time to time.
> Â
> One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.Â The cell is small, a facsimile of the real one.Â There is small bed which is upfront closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying before the cross.Â She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks tiny and small in this barren room.Â HOwever, though she is draped in black her white hair does show through.Â All one can see is her profile as she is kneeling.Â There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
> Â
> The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was deprived as well of creature comforts.Â That is an irony to me, to learn of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common.Â They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.
> Â
> I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of hostility... from men, not women...
> Â
> My best to you, Jan
> Â
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of her execution.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tim,Â Thanks so much.Â I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made.Â I have attempted to save it in my files.Â Jan
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> >
> >
> > looks interesting, aÂ MAÂ movie made in 1939
> >
> > Â googleÂ Â andÂ get the Â pandoÂ Â softwareÂ installed,
> >
> > get theÂ attachment on this e mail
> > go to documentsÂ click on the downloaded pando file
> > and the movie will begin to download....Â easy !
> >
> > get movingÂ cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> > orÂ soÂ !Â Â ( today is wed )
> >
> >
> >
> > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
> >
>

#9403

From: George Caffine <geocaffine@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

geocaffine

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Although parts of this discussion are not my cup of tea, I feel compelled to add this: Marie Antoinette was a woman in transition. From her first day in France to her leaving of it, she was in constant change. First, frivolous and oblivious, followed by becoming a dutiful mother. She gave her opinion bt throwing the delegation out so they had to retire to the tennis court. She showed herself as a powerful figure, standing on the balcony, fearlessly facing the mob. Before they crafted the infamous diamond necklace she induced her family to stop buying expensive jewelry. Her time in prison and her final days showed another new side of her, brave, resigned to that undeserved fate, becoming the person we all admire.

I liked the Norma Shearer movie and disliked the Kirsten Dunst version. Neither movie portrayed the woman as living a life of personal growth.

George

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@...>
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 5:28:55 AM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think they did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon and the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways. I was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to France, but the 1938 movie,
which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to tears each time I watch it. When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a movie.

I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> Â
> Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her friends?Â
> Â
> If so, did you like it or not?Â Do you believe it was fair to her image?Â
> Â
> I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like.Â In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
> Â
> While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM version, it is good drama for thespians.Â If I were still in the classroom teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before she must go to her execution.
> Â
> I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her depicted when I visited there.
> Â
> I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind, thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.Â Â I was a bit disconcerted about this.Â There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations in that setting.Â The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.Â Â I noticed that... But seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably taken wrong by eavesdroppers.Â I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.Â
> Â
> But I managed to see them anyway.Â Â I had to assert myself quite often when I was in Paris.
> Â
> Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.Â The Conciergerie was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
> Â
> I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from time to time.
> Â
> One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.Â The cell is small, a facsimile of the real one.Â There is small bed which is upfront closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying before the cross.Â She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks tiny and small in this barren room.Â HOwever, though she is draped in black her white hair does show through.Â All one can see is her profile as she is kneeling.Â There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
> Â
> The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was deprived as well of creature comforts.Â That is an irony to me, to learn of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common.Â They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.
> Â
> I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of hostility... from men, not women...
> Â
> My best to you, Jan
> Â
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of her execution.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tim,Â Thanks so much.Â I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made.Â I have attempted to save it in my files.Â Jan
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> >
> >
> > looks interesting, aÂ MAÂ movie made in 1939
> >
> > Â googleÂ Â andÂ get the Â pandoÂ Â softwareÂ installed,
> >
> > get theÂ attachment on this e mail
> > go to documentsÂ click on the downloaded pando file
> > and the movie will begin to download....Â easy !
> >
> > get movingÂ cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> > orÂ soÂ !Â Â ( today is wed )
> >
> >
> >
> > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
> >
>

#9402

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:32 am
Subject: Re: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie

janetcfauble

Offline

Well, I had to read Jimmy's response to this post to finally find it in my email. That is what happens to many of my posts from MA as they get buried in the back...but I finally found it and now I know what Jimmy is saying at last.

About Coppola I mean...I think she could not deal with the anguish and pathos of the turn of events that the Queen and the King suffered, so she cut it off where we would still see an Antoinette devoted to her family and husband without having to suffer so much...it was as if Sofia could not face the reality of the times and was hiding behind the glitz and glamour...many stars and famous celebrities do that all the time...the harshness and reality of the terror is very hard to imagine...

Imagine having your best friend's head cut off and stuck on a pike to peer at you as was done. The revolutionaries were worse than just hooligans...they were a murderous element who had no conscience whatsoever...I deplore the fact that France today celebrates that terrible event in the way that they do...giving credence to barbarian acts of decadence!

So no doubt that Sofia just could not stomach it...

A really good movie should not be a remake as that one is too trivial in my opinion...the scriptwriter is who will make the case for refilming the story of the French Revolution, the king and queen's role in it, and the aftermath...

If the subject is to be Antoinette, it would again have a lot of Sofia Coppola's extravagance, giddiness, and silliness in it, as Antoinette was truly a silly creature at times, being absolutely deplorable in her excesses, negligence to duty, and thumbing her nose at her mother's advice...Nobody can dispute that she was a very spoiled child in many ways who deserved some of the comeuppance that came her way...especially if one compares her to her predecessor, Queen Marie L(sorry about the spelling) as she was a woman who chose not to wear glamorous gowns, being a bit of a Mahatma Gandhi sympathizer in some ways...So long as the peasants could not wear fancy gowns, she felt it unworthy of her to wear them when she was criticized for NOT doing so...(this from Sandra Gulland's blog).

So it is fair to criticize Marie Antoinette, especially during her early years when she was so rebellious and challenging to the etiquette of the court...she alienated everyone around her and brought the wrath of those within the system down upon her.

But it was not Antoinette to blame for the revolutionary tide, and her husband should have been held responsible for his lackadaisical attitude about it all...The burden still rests upon the King's shoulders...he just collapsed and suffered a nervous breakdown it would appear...but no wonder, as he was going through hell...a tremendous load for anyone to have to suffer...

Jan

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, iluvmiguel4evr9@... <iluvmiguel4evr9@...> wrote:

From: iluvmiguel4evr9@... <iluvmiguel4evr9@...>
Subject: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 11:00 AM

i loved this movie as well!!! i would like to find it on vhs or dvd so i can own it. the 2005 version of MA doesn't compare. i was quite disappointed in that movie actually seeing it cut of a great deal of MA's story, by ending where they flee paris. the 1938 film was definitely a better plot, and very awesome! it would be cool if they could remake the 1938 one with the technology they have today. kinda make it like they did with the passion, have it be all in the original languages and have english subtitles, that way it would be like viewing the life of MA from afar.. who knows. maybe some hollywood director will eventually realize that her story is the greatest and they will make a totally AWESOME movie about it.

In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:02:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, keltwhip@yahoo. com writes:

I agree bout the colorization. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to see one of the dresses in reality. It belongs to a man who once was on Philly TV and has a collection of Hollywood memorabilia. He exhibited it along with other film items at Caesar's casino in Atlantic City many years ago. I believe it was the dress from the scene when the King and Queen are consulting with the King's brothers (Artois and Provence) and the King's commanders regarding what to do now that the Paris mobs were marching on Versailles. The dress is actually quite dark as in the film, dark green and black. It was quite spectacular.

Supposedly, Debbie Reynolds has some of the costumes from the film as well in her collections. If you're able to find descriptions about the costume creations for this film you'll be stunned at the expense. MA would have been jealous!

When I was a young teenager, I ran past the TV set when my mother was watching this film on the afternoon "Early Show" out of New York. I stopped short because I saw Norma in the prison cell scene so disheveled and broken. I was stunned and have never forgotten that moment. It remauns one of my favorite films of all time. I fell in love with MA (and Norma Shearer) at that moment. LOL!

Jimmy

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@yahoo. com>
To: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Cc: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Same here I had seen this movie and wanted to learn more about MA and has led to my interest also!! I so wish it had been made in color like it was suppose to be, all the dresses and decor would have been much better!

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:42 am
Subject: Marie Antoinette held her head up to the end

janetcfauble

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HI Jimmy, I could not figure out which post you had been responding to so I had to hunt for it and I finally found it...I found that Norma Shearer's interpretation was a little too exaggerated and over dramatic for my tastes...it was sheer old Hollywood tear jerker mode and I do not believe that it did Antoinette fairly at all. However, the gowns were absolutely stunning as were the hairstyles...MGM spent a lot of research on it, but I don't believe in the version of Antoinette that they painted at all. It is just too typically Hollywood.

I prefer reality, and if the portraits of the Queen demonstrate anything at that time, is the fact that even though humiliated in being carried across town in a cart with her hands tied behind her back, she held her head up, and would not give an inch to the cries of the hideous crowd around her...That is a strange sight to see, as it says so much about her...whether it is true or not, it is the artist's depiction and there are supposed comments to criticize her for it even...she stood up for herself to the bitter end, even in the worst of health, the hemmorhaging she suffered and the diarrhea that she had just expelled...she kept her head up, and chin up, syndrome, jolly well, the British would understand, I guess, and the Hapsburg in her carried her through to her end...I am sure she was saying the Rosary to herself the entire time...God bless her...Jan

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, jimmy <keltwhip@...> wrote:

From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
Subject: Re: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:49 PM

re: by ending where they flee paris

Actually, I believe they ended the Sophia Coppolla version with the royals being dragged/escorted back to Paris after the storming of Versailles, if I'm not mistaken. But I split hairs.

And I agree, I WOULD like to see a re=make of the 1938 version, updated with what we know now.

Jimmy

From: "iluvmiguel4evr9@ aol.com" <iluvmiguel4evr9@ aol.com>
To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 1:00:03 PM
Subject: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie

i loved this movie as well!!! i would like to find it on vhs or dvd so i can own it. the 2005 version of MA doesn't compare. i was quite disappointed in that movie actually seeing it cut of a great deal of MA's story, by ending where they flee paris. the 1938 film was definitely a better plot, and very awesome! it would be cool if they could remake the 1938 one with the technology they have today. kinda make it like they did with the passion, have it be all in the original languages and have english subtitles, that way it would be like viewing the life of MA from afar.. who knows. maybe some hollywood director will eventually realize that her story is the greatest and they will make a totally AWESOME movie about it.

In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:02:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, keltwhip@yahoo. com writes:

I agree bout the colorization. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to see one of the dresses in reality. It belongs to a man who once was on Philly TV and has a collection of Hollywood memorabilia. He exhibited it along with other film items at Caesar's casino in Atlantic City many years ago. I believe it was the dress from the scene when the King and Queen are consulting with the King's brothers (Artois and Provence) and the King's commanders regarding what to do now that the Paris mobs were marching on Versailles. The dress is actually quite dark as in the film, dark green and black. It was quite spectacular.

Supposedly, Debbie Reynolds has some of the costumes from the film as well in her collections. If you're able to find descriptions about the costume creations for this film you'll be stunned at the expense. MA would have been jealous!

When I was a young teenager, I ran past the TV set when my mother was watching this film on the afternoon "Early Show" out of New York. I stopped short because I saw Norma in the prison cell scene so disheveled and broken. I was stunned and have never forgotten that moment. It remauns one of my favorite films of all time. I fell in love with MA (and Norma Shearer) at that moment. LOL!

Jimmy

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@yahoo. com>
To: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Cc: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Same here I had seen this movie and wanted to learn more about MA and has led to my interest also!! I so wish it had been made in color like it was suppose to be, all the dresses and decor would have been much better!

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9400

From: "Patricia" <MadameAntoine@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

madame_antoine

Offline

Yes, Janet...I did see the newer "Marie Antoinette" movie and while I think they
did a good job of showing off the Palace at Versailles and Le Petit Trianon and
the costuming was wonderful, I felt the movie was lacking in a lot of ways.  I
was able to feel for Antoinette as she left her home and made her journey to
France, but the 1938 movie,
which is a classic was excellently made and the acting was superb.
Norma Shearer made Marie Antoinette "come to life" for me and the scene in the
cell where they are trying to take Antoinette's son from her still brings me to
tears each time I watch it.  When a movie can bring one to tears or cause strong
emotions in the audience, then one knows they have been successful in making a
movie.

I would love to see them make her life into a mini-series though, and
play out all the important parts that led to the execution. After reading so
many books on her life... a factual, mini series is just what they need to teach
the world just who Queen Marie-Antoinette really was.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
>  
> Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her
friends? 
>  
> If so, did you like it or not?  Do you believe it was fair to her image? 
>  
> I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a
possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like. 
In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst
remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that
Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.
>  
> While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM
version, it is good drama for thespians.  If I were still in the classroom
teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what
they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before
she must go to her execution.
>  
> I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her
depicted when I visited there.
>  
> I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that
some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind,
thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas.   I was a bit
disconcerted about this.  There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a
bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations
in that setting.  The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were
harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists.   I noticed that... But
seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably
taken wrong by eavesdroppers.  I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep
me from seeing one of the exhibits. 
>  
> But I managed to see them anyway.   I had to assert myself quite often when
I was in Paris.
>  
> Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be.  The Conciergerie was
one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be
honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.
>  
> I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from
time to time.
>  
> One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe.  The cell is
small, a facsimile of the real one.  There is small bed which is upfront
closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a
small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying
before the cross.  She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks
tiny and small in this barren room. HOwever, though she is draped in black her
white hair does show through.  All one can see is her profile as she is
kneeling.  There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one
that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look
up, and it was clear that she could not do that.
>  
> The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say
that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was
deprived as well of creature comforts.  That is an irony to me, to learn of the
king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common. 
They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.
>  
> I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long
except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of
hostility...from men, not women...
>  
> My best to you, Jan
>  
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@...>
> Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
> To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one
of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and
really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They
normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of
her execution.
>
> kind regards,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Tim,  Thanks so much.  I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer
and it is wonderfully made.  I have attempted to save it in my files.  Jan
> >
> > --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> > Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> > To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@
yahoogroups. com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> > [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
> >
> >
> > looks interesting, a  MA  movie made in 1939
> >
> >   google   and  get the   pando   software  installed,
> >
> > get the  attachment on this e mail
> > go to documents  click on the downloaded pando file
> > and the movie will begin to download....  easy !
> >
> > get moving  cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> > or  so  !   ( today is wed )
> >
> >
> >
> > New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
> >
>

#9399

From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie

keltwhip

Offline

re: by ending where they flee paris

Actually, I believe they ended the Sophia Coppolla version with the royals being dragged/escorted back to Paris after the storming of Versailles, if I'm not mistaken. But I split hairs.

And I agree, I WOULD like to see a re=make of the 1938 version, updated with what we know now.

Jimmy

From: "iluvmiguel4evr9@..." <iluvmiguel4evr9@...>
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 1:00:03 PM
Subject: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie

i loved this movie as well!!! i would like to find it on vhs or dvd so i can own it. the 2005 version of MA doesn't compare. i was quite disappointed in that movie actually seeing it cut of a great deal of MA's story, by ending where they flee paris. the 1938 film was definitely a better plot, and very awesome! it would be cool if they could remake the 1938 one with the technology they have today. kinda make it like they did with the passion, have it be all in the original languages and have english subtitles, that way it would be like viewing the life of MA from afar.. who knows. maybe some hollywood director will eventually realize that her story is the greatest and they will make a totally AWESOME movie about it.

In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:02:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, keltwhip@yahoo. com writes:

I agree bout the colorization. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to see one of the dresses in reality. It belongs to a man who once was on Philly TV and has a collection of Hollywood memorabilia. He exhibited it along with other film items at Caesar's casino in Atlantic City many years ago. I believe it was the dress from the scene when the King and Queen are consulting with the King's brothers (Artois and Provence) and the King's commanders regarding what to do now that the Paris mobs were marching on Versailles. The dress is actually quite dark as in the film, dark green and black. It was quite spectacular.

Supposedly, Debbie Reynolds has some of the costumes from the film as well in her collections. If you're able to find descriptions about the costume creations for this film you'll be stunned at the expense. MA would have been jealous!

When I was a young teenager, I ran past the TV set when my mother was watching this film on the afternoon "Early Show" out of New York. I stopped short because I saw Norma in the prison cell scene so disheveled and broken. I was stunned and have never forgotten that moment. It remauns one of my favorite films of all time. I fell in love with MA (and Norma Shearer) at that moment. LOL!

Jimmy

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@yahoo. com>
To: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Cc: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Same here I had seen this movie and wanted to learn more about MA and has led to my interest also!! I so wish it had been made in color like it was suppose to be, all the dresses and decor would have been much better!

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9398

From: iluvmiguel4evr9@...
Date: Sat Nov 7, 2009 1:00 pm
Subject: Love to see remake of 1938 Marie Antoinette movie

muzik_luvar77

Offline

In a message dated 11/6/2009 6:02:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, keltwhip@... writes:

I agree bout the colorization. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to see one of the dresses in reality. It belongs to a man who once was on Philly TV and has a collection of Hollywood memorabilia. He exhibited it along with other film items at Caesar's casino in Atlantic City many years ago. I believe it was the dress from the scene when the King and Queen are consulting with the King's brothers (Artois and Provence) and the King's commanders regarding what to do now that the Paris mobs were marching on Versailles. The dress is actually quite dark as in the film, dark green and black. It was quite spectacular.

Supposedly, Debbie Reynolds has some of the costumes from the film as well in her collections. If you're able to find descriptions about the costume creations for this film you'll be stunned at the expense. MA would have been jealous!

When I was a young teenager, I ran past the TV set when my mother was watching this film on the afternoon "Early Show" out of New York. I stopped short because I saw Norma in the prison cell scene so disheveled and broken. I was stunned and have never forgotten that moment. It remauns one of my favorite films of all time. I fell in love with MA (and Norma Shearer) at that moment. LOL!

Jimmy

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@yahoo.com>
To: "Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com" <Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com" <Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Same here I had seen this movie and wanted to learn more about MA and has led to my interest also!! I so wish it had been made in color like it was suppose to be, all the dresses and decor would have been much better!

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9397

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

janetcfauble

Offline

Hello Patricia,

Did you see the Kirsten Dunst/Sofia Coppola version of the Queen and her friends?

If so, did you like it or not? Do you believe it was fair to her image?

I have seen both films, and I view them both as Hollywood entertainment and a possible vague writer's interpretation of what the Queen may have been like. In each case, I do not believe that either Norma Shearer or Kirsten Dunst remotely resemble the real Queen, but that is simply because I realize that Hollywood is trying to entertain and to make box office hits.

While I believe that Antoinette is over dramatized in the cell in the MGM version, it is good drama for thespians. If I were still in the classroom teaching, I would ask each of my student's to attempt to write a version of what they thought Antoinette may have said and done during those last hours before she must go to her execution.

I found it interesting to see how the personnel at the Conciergerie had her depicted when I visited there.

I will admit to finding that when the Revolutionary Period is depicted that some of the French men who I encountered there were not quite as kind, thoughtful, and nice as those I had met in other areas. I was a bit disconcerted about this. There was outride rudeness displayed, and I sensed a bit of what Antoinette may have encountered during her trials and tribulations in that setting. The women present were friendly and warm, but the men were harsh, mean, and rude..and also obstructionists. I noticed that... But seeing the guillotine I did break my silence and uttered some remarks, probably taken wrong by eavesdroppers. I found a man and his son frankly trying to keep me from seeing one of the exhibits.

But I managed to see them anyway. I had to assert myself quite often when I was in Paris.

Though I am small, I can be assertive when I need be. The Conciergerie was one place where I felt a sense of intimidation and it angered me to be honest...I was a bit putoff by some of the attitudes.

I will describe a bit of the scene of the cell as probably it will change from time to time.

One wall is totally covered by the ermine fleur de lis robe. The cell is small, a facsimile of the real one. There is small bed which is upfront closest to the window through which we could see into the cell, and there is a small altar with a crucifix, and the figure of Antoinette, kneeling praying before the cross. She is totally draped in black from head to toe, and looks tiny and small in this barren room. HOwever, though she is draped in black her white hair does show through. All one can see is her profile as she is kneeling. There is a window, but as described from historians, not the one that she had to look down to see her son, but in this case, would have to look up, and it was clear that she could not do that.

The bed is barren, thread bare...It is interesting to note that historians say that as a child King Louis XIV also had to sleep on thread bare sheets and was deprived as well of creature comforts. That is an irony to me, to learn of the king's early childhood and Antoinette's demise as having so much in common. They are often compared in terms of horsemanship and need for privacy.

I hope that you get the picture...I had such a wonderful time all week long except for that final day when I encountered for the first time real feelings of hostility...from men, not women...

My best to you, Jan

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@...> wrote:

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@...>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:08 AM

This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one of the best made. Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well. They normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of her execution.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan
>
> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ ...>
> Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> [Attachment( s) from tim included below]
>
>
> looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939
>
> google and get the pando software installed,
>
> get the attachment on this e mail
> go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
> and the movie will begin to download.... easy !
>
> get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> or so ! ( today is wed )
>
>
>
> New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
>

#9396

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments

janetcfauble

Offline

I sincerely hope that you can go whenever it is convenient for you to do so. I hope to eventually get my videotapes of the Louvre and the gardens of the Chateau on youtube. I have been very busy and have not attempted to get them connected yet,but I am hoping to try again this week. I will let you know. my best to you, Jan

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@...> wrote:

From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@...>
Subject: Re: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 9:10 AM

Thank you for sharing so much of your trip with us, Janet. I know it is an experience you will long remember. I hope to one day go there myself.

blessings,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
>
> I just wrote a long and lengthy post which I have placed on draft. Believe me, I have lots to say and I think I became a bit longwinded on this post so will have to edit it before sending it.
>
> I will say that I videotaped the groves, the grand trianon, the petit trianon, and the Hameau on flip camcorder which is especially made for sharing at youtube.   I will try to make the connection asap, but am not sure when that will happen yet. I have to learn how to do it so that it will go through correctly.
>
> I also captured a few portraits and busts of the Queen in various places and most are on the flip camcorder also.
>
> The Caroline Weber article that I just read caused me to remember an incident that occurred to me at a shopping center.   I am now a bit suspicious of that fainting spell I must admit.
>
> The photo that I sent to the group here and to you was of Antoinette as a young girl. It is a lovely painting. I did see on my first tour of the apartments the most famous painting in which I believe she looked so sweet and happy but at that time I was too busy gazing at portraits to take photos and returned the following day to take them. I did note some changes then at the apartments from one day to the next.
>
> When it is the first time that one sees the chateau one is awestruck and somewhat numbed by the experience, so that I waited to do any photographs at all, and while some are on my digital camera, others are on the video camera.
>
> I am quite convinced that since the Chateau is now a museum that when events occur that celebrate a certain rule or reign, that the Chateau's apartments are probably dedicated to that ruler more than the others who also resided there.   It is very easy to move portraits, furniture, and objets d'art around for exhibition purposes.
>
> Both Louis XV and Louis XVI are represented in various apartments, but because the Louis XIV exhibit is now on display, the main apartments were devoted to his time period and his family and government.
>
> I did visit the conciergerie but did not take any photos at all that day. That is a sobering experience. I also visited the Tuilleries and the Louvre, and could realize that the Terror of France is quite real and frightening even yet today.
>
> I do understand now better than I had before why it is that Antoinette became the scapegoat and the focus of all the hatred that was foisted upon her. I will try to explain my feelings about that in a later post. I learned a lot that has convinced me that her admirers and her detractors are not making it easy for people to give her even yet a fair trial and judgement.
>
> To me, she is like the pebble in the shoe that causes all the pain and can cripple one even...she is only a very small part of the revolution but the part that she played is like that pebble, the one that hurts....more later, Jan
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@ ...>
> Subject: Re: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments
> To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 12:11 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> Your trip to Paris sounds so exciting. You sent me some of the pictures, but for some reason, my computer is not recognzing them:-(
> I hope you will post them on yahoo as well. We need a section of photos devoted to your trip there.
>
> hugs,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble <janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Jimmy,
> >
> > No, I did not take any private tours at all, and as I went for the Louis XIV exhibition, it seems that even the tours that are usually sold at the outdoor area were not being sold when I was there. At the hotel, they had asked me a question, which I am not sure that I probably answered correctly... a lot of the problem seems to me to be male versus female, and the Antoinette domaine is clearly and distinctly labeled as the Domaine of the Queen. It is set apart from the other two Trianons which are clearly male dominated also.
> >
> > I have not reread any of my posts here yet.   I took video tapes of the hameau and grand trianon and petit trianon regions. When I can get them on the internet I will let you know.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, jimmy <keltwhip@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: jimmy <keltwhip@ .>
> > Subject: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 5:49 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan,
> >
> > were you able to take MA's private apartments tour, the rooms behind her state bedroom? If so, did you see the petitpoint/needlepo int(?) portrait of MA in those rooms? it was unbelievable.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@ yahoo.com>
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 4:05:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: Marie attributed Quotes: What did MA really say? [1 Attachment]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HI Debbie,
> > I am sending one photo of MA that I took at the Chateau...it will be at the bottom of this post...Jan
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Deborah <stitchtress@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Deborah <stitchtress@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Marie attributed Quotes: What did MA really say?
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:39 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> > We all know that "let them eat cake" was not a M.A, statement.
> > I am wondering if any of you have come across any truly attributed, interesting statements/ quotes made by Marie herself?
> > Happy Halloween,
> > Debbie
> >
>

#9395

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 7:48 pm
Subject: Costumes from 1938 Marie Antoinette movie

janetcfauble

Offline

Jimmy,

Does Debbie have a website where she might have that gown on display? I will search google to see if she does, and if you find out before I do, let us know, please. Jan

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, jimmy <keltwhip@...> wrote:

From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie
To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:34 PM

I agree bout the colorization. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to see one of the dresses in reality. It belongs to a man who once was on Philly TV and has a collection of Hollywood memorabilia. He exhibited it along with other film items at Caesar's casino in Atlantic City many years ago. I believe it was the dress from the scene when the King and Queen are consulting with the King's brothers (Artois and Provence) and the King's commanders regarding what to do now that the Paris mobs were marching on Versailles. The dress is actually quite dark as in the film, dark green and black. It was quite spectacular.

Supposedly, Debbie Reynolds has some of the costumes from the film as well in her collections. If you're able to find descriptions about the costume creations for this film you'll be stunned at the expense. MA would have been jealous!

When I was a young teenager, I ran past the TV set when my mother was watching this film on the afternoon "Early Show" out of New York. I stopped short because I saw Norma in the prison cell scene so disheveled and broken. I was stunned and have never forgotten that moment. It remauns one of my favorite films of all time. I fell in love with MA (and Norma Shearer) at that moment. LOL!

Jimmy

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@yahoo. com>
To: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Cc: "Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com" <Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Same here I had seen this movie and wanted to learn more about MA and has led to my interest also!! I so wish it had been made in color like it was suppose to be, all the dresses and decor would have been much better!

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9394

From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

keltwhip

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...and an addendum, I ran into Robert Morley (Louis XVI) on Christopher Street in New York in the early 70s. He hadn't aged at all. LOL!

Jimmy

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@...>
To: "Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com" <Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com" <Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:17:52 PM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Also I do believe it has been released on DVD! I have the VHS tape, I wonder if there's any extras on the DVD.

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9393

From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

keltwhip

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I agree bout the colorization. Fortunately, I had an opportunity to see one of the dresses in reality. It belongs to a man who once was on Philly TV and has a collection of Hollywood memorabilia. He exhibited it along with other film items at Caesar's casino in Atlantic City many years ago. I believe it was the dress from the scene when the King and Queen are consulting with the King's brothers (Artois and Provence) and the King's commanders regarding what to do now that the Paris mobs were marching on Versailles. The dress is actually quite dark as in the film, dark green and black. It was quite spectacular.

Supposedly, Debbie Reynolds has some of the costumes from the film as well in her collections. If you're able to find descriptions about the costume creations for this film you'll be stunned at the expense. MA would have been jealous!

When I was a young teenager, I ran past the TV set when my mother was watching this film on the afternoon "Early Show" out of New York. I stopped short because I saw Norma in the prison cell scene so disheveled and broken. I was stunned and have never forgotten that moment. It remauns one of my favorite films of all time. I fell in love with MA (and Norma Shearer) at that moment. LOL!

Jimmy

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@...>
To: "Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com" <Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com" <Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

Same here I had seen this movie and wanted to learn more about MA and has led to my interest also!! I so wish it had been made in color like it was suppose to be, all the dresses and decor would have been much better!

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@yahoo. com> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder" . No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9392

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

kazatatr

Offline

Also I do believe it has been released on DVD! I have the VHS tape, I wonder if there's any extras on the DVD.

Best Regards, Tina Wilson

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@...> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder". No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@hotmail.co.uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9391

From: Tina Wilson <kazatatr@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

kazatatr

Offline

On Nov 5, 2009, at 8:54 PM, jimmy <keltwhip@...> wrote:

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder". No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@hotmail.co.uk>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about   1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google   and get the pando   software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so !   ( today is wed )

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#9390

From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 6:04 am
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]

janetcfauble

Offline

HI Tim,

Windows did not recognize the file...Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@...> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@...>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google and get the pando software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so ! ( today is wed )

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#9389

From: jimmy <keltwhip@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 1:54 am
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

keltwhip

Offline

It was 1938. It had been in production for a few years before, but Norma Shearer's (who played MA) husband, Irving Thalberg (you hear his name each year at the Oscars regarding the award given in his name) died of a cardiac. He was the "Steven Spielberg" of the thirties, the "wunderkinder". No expense was spared in this production, except that after her husband died, a director was brought in who really did not do it justice from what was originally planned.

It was the film that as a teenage boy, brought MA to my attention and eventual total interest. There is a Yahoo group(to which I belong) devoted to Norma Shearer and especially to her role as MA. It is a totally sympathetic view of MA.

Jimmy

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@...>
To: images of marie antoinette yahoo <images_of_marie_antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: RE: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

I may be wrong, it might be a 1938 movie ....
I ve got about 1/5 th of it downloaded so far

if anyone wants it, get moving, cos they are only stored up
at pando for a few days then they delete from the servers.

To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
From: janetcfauble@ yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:43:41 -0800
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie

HI Tim, Thanks so much. I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it is wonderfully made. I have attempted to save it in my files. Jan

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk> wrote:

From: tim <lovetoloveyou@ hotmail.co. uk>
Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo" <images_of_marie_ antoinette@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM

looks interesting, a MA movie made in 1939

google and get the pando software installed,

get the attachment on this e mail
go to documents click on the downloaded pando file
and the movie will begin to download.... easy !

get moving cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
or so ! ( today is wed )

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#9388

From: "Patricia" <MadameAntoine@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments

madame_antoine

Offline

Thank you for sharing so much of your trip with us, Janet.  I know it is an
experience you will long remember.  I hope to one day go there myself.

blessings,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> �
> I just wrote a long and lengthy post which I have placed on draft.� Believe
me, I have lots to say and I think I became a bit longwinded on this post so
will have to edit it before sending it.
> �
> I will say that I videotaped the groves, the grand trianon, the petit trianon,
and the Hameau on flip camcorder which is especially made for sharing at
youtube.�� I will try to make the connection asap, but am not sure when that
will happen yet.� I have to learn how to do it so that it will go through
correctly.
> �
> I also captured a few portraits and busts of the Queen in various places and
most are on the flip camcorder also.
> �
> The Caroline Weber article that I just read caused me to remember an incident
that occurred to me at a shopping center.�� I am now a bit suspicious of that
fainting spell I must admit.�
> �
> The photo that I sent to the group here and to you was of Antoinette as a
young girl.� It is a lovely painting.� I did see on my first tour of the
apartments the most famous painting in which I believe she looked so sweet and
happy but at that time I was too busy gazing at portraits to take photos and
returned the following day to take them.� I did note some changes then at the
apartments from one day to the next.�
> �
> When it is the first time that one sees the chateau one is awestruck and
somewhat numbed by the experience, so that I waited to do any photographs at
all, and while some are on my digital camera, others are on the video camera.
> �
> I am quite convinced that since the Chateau is now a museum that when events
occur that celebrate a certain rule or reign, that the Chateau's apartments are
probably dedicated to that ruler more than the others who also resided there.��
It is very easy to move portraits, furniture, and objets d'art around for
exhibition purposes.
> �
> Both Louis XV and Louis XVI are represented in various apartments, but because
the Louis XIV exhibit is now on display, the main apartments were devoted to his
time period and his family and government.
> �
> I did visit the conciergerie but did not take any photos at all that day.�
That is a sobering experience.� I also visited the Tuilleries and the Louvre,
and could realize that the Terror of France is quite real and frightening even
yet today.�
> �
> I do understand now better than I had before why it is that Antoinette became
the scapegoat and the focus of all the hatred that was foisted upon her.� I will
try to explain my feelings about that in a later post.� I learned a lot that has
convinced me that her admirers and her detractors are not making it easy for
people to give her even yet a fair trial and judgement.�
> �
> To me, she is like the pebble in the shoe that causes all the pain and can
cripple one even...she is only a very small part of the revolution but the part
that she played is like that pebble, the one that hurts....more later, Jan
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@...>
> Subject: Re: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments
> To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 12:11 PM
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> Your trip to Paris sounds so exciting. You sent me some of the pictures, but
for some reason, my computer is not recognzing them:-(
> I hope you will post them on yahoo as well. We need a section of photos
devoted to your trip there.
>
> hugs,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Jimmy,
> > �
> > No,� I did not take any private tours at all, and as I went for the Louis
XIV exhibition, it seems that even the tours that are usually sold at the
outdoor area were not being sold when I was there.� At the hotel, they had asked
me a question, which I am not sure that I probably answered correctly... a lot
of the problem seems to me to be male versus female, and the Antoinette domaine
is clearly and distinctly labeled as the Domaine of the Queen.� It is set apart
from the other two Trianons which are clearly male dominated also.
> > �
> > I have not reread any of my posts here yet.�� I took video tapes of the
hameau and grand trianon and petit trianon regions.� When I can get them on the
internet I will let you know.
> > �
> > Jan
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, jimmy <keltwhip@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: jimmy <keltwhip@ .>
> > Subject: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 5:49 AM
> >
> >
> > �
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan,
> >
> > were you able to take MA's private apartments tour, the rooms behind her
state bedroom? If so, did you see the petitpoint/needlepo int(?) portrait of MA
in those rooms? it was unbelievable.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@ yahoo.com>
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 4:05:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: Marie attributed Quotes: What did MA really say? [1 Attachment]
> >
> > �
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HI Debbie,
> > I am sending one photo of MA that I took at the Chateau...it will be at the
bottom of this post...Jan
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Deborah <stitchtress@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Deborah <stitchtress@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Marie attributed Quotes: What did MA really say?
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:39 AM
> >
> >
> > �
> >
> > Hello all,
> > We all know that "let them eat cake" was not a M.A, statement.
> > I am wondering if any of you have come across any truly attributed,
interesting statements/ quotes made by Marie herself?
> > Happy Halloween,
> > Debbie
> >
>

#9387

From: "Patricia" <MadameAntoine@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments

madame_antoine

Offline

Thank you for sharing so much of your trip with us, Janet.  I know it is an
experience you will long remember.  I hope to one day go there myself.

blessings,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
> �
> I just wrote a long and lengthy post which I have placed on draft.� Believe
me, I have lots to say and I think I became a bit longwinded on this post so
will have to edit it before sending it.
> �
> I will say that I videotaped the groves, the grand trianon, the petit trianon,
and the Hameau on flip camcorder which is especially made for sharing at
youtube.�� I will try to make the connection asap, but am not sure when that
will happen yet.� I have to learn how to do it so that it will go through
correctly.
> �
> I also captured a few portraits and busts of the Queen in various places and
most are on the flip camcorder also.
> �
> The Caroline Weber article that I just read caused me to remember an incident
that occurred to me at a shopping center.�� I am now a bit suspicious of that
fainting spell I must admit.�
> �
> The photo that I sent to the group here and to you was of Antoinette as a
young girl.� It is a lovely painting.� I did see on my first tour of the
apartments the most famous painting in which I believe she looked so sweet and
happy but at that time I was too busy gazing at portraits to take photos and
returned the following day to take them.� I did note some changes then at the
apartments from one day to the next.�
> �
> When it is the first time that one sees the chateau one is awestruck and
somewhat numbed by the experience, so that I waited to do any photographs at
all, and while some are on my digital camera, others are on the video camera.
> �
> I am quite convinced that since the Chateau is now a museum that when events
occur that celebrate a certain rule or reign, that the Chateau's apartments are
probably dedicated to that ruler more than the others who also resided there.��
It is very easy to move portraits, furniture, and objets d'art around for
exhibition purposes.
> �
> Both Louis XV and Louis XVI are represented in various apartments, but because
the Louis XIV exhibit is now on display, the main apartments were devoted to his
time period and his family and government.
> �
> I did visit the conciergerie but did not take any photos at all that day.�
That is a sobering experience.� I also visited the Tuilleries and the Louvre,
and could realize that the Terror of France is quite real and frightening even
yet today.�
> �
> I do understand now better than I had before why it is that Antoinette became
the scapegoat and the focus of all the hatred that was foisted upon her.� I will
try to explain my feelings about that in a later post.� I learned a lot that has
convinced me that her admirers and her detractors are not making it easy for
people to give her even yet a fair trial and judgement.�
> �
> To me, she is like the pebble in the shoe that causes all the pain and can
cripple one even...she is only a very small part of the revolution but the part
that she played is like that pebble, the one that hurts....more later, Jan
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Patricia <MadameAntoine@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Patricia <MadameAntoine@...>
> Subject: Re: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments
> To: Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 12:11 PM
>
>
> �
>
>
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> Your trip to Paris sounds so exciting. You sent me some of the pictures, but
for some reason, my computer is not recognzing them:-(
> I hope you will post them on yahoo as well. We need a section of photos
devoted to your trip there.
>
> hugs,
> Patricia
>
> --- In Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > HI Jimmy,
> > �
> > No,� I did not take any private tours at all, and as I went for the Louis
XIV exhibition, it seems that even the tours that are usually sold at the
outdoor area were not being sold when I was there.� At the hotel, they had asked
me a question, which I am not sure that I probably answered correctly... a lot
of the problem seems to me to be male versus female, and the Antoinette domaine
is clearly and distinctly labeled as the Domaine of the Queen.� It is set apart
from the other two Trianons which are clearly male dominated also.
> > �
> > I have not reread any of my posts here yet.�� I took video tapes of the
hameau and grand trianon and petit trianon regions.� When I can get them on the
internet I will let you know.
> > �
> > Jan
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/1/09, jimmy <keltwhip@ .> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: jimmy <keltwhip@ .>
> > Subject: Viewing Marie Antoinette's private apartments
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 5:49 AM
> >
> >
> > �
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan,
> >
> > were you able to take MA's private apartments tour, the rooms behind her
state bedroom? If so, did you see the petitpoint/needlepo int(?) portrait of MA
in those rooms? it was unbelievable.
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: janet fauble <janetcfauble@ yahoo.com>
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, November 1, 2009 4:05:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: Marie attributed Quotes: What did MA really say? [1 Attachment]
> >
> > �
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > HI Debbie,
> > I am sending one photo of MA that I took at the Chateau...it will be at the
bottom of this post...Jan
> >
> > --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Deborah <stitchtress@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Deborah <stitchtress@ yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Marie attributed Quotes: What did MA really say?
> > To: Images_of_Marie_ Antoinette@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 5:39 AM
> >
> >
> > �
> >
> > Hello all,
> > We all know that "let them eat cake" was not a M.A, statement.
> > I am wondering if any of you have come across any truly attributed,
interesting statements/ quotes made by Marie herself?
> > Happy Halloween,
> > Debbie
> >
>

#9386

From: "Patricia" <MadameAntoine@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]

madame_antoine

Offline

This 1938 classic movie starring Norma Shearer as Antoinette has got to be one
of the best made.  Norma Shearer does an excellent job playing the part and
really seemed to get into her role. The costuming was exquisite as well.  They
normally show this movie every year on the classics channels around the time of
her execution.

kind regards,
Patricia

--- In Images_of_Marie_Antoinette@yahoogroups.com, janet fauble
<janetcfauble@...> wrote:
>
> HI Tim,� Thanks so much.� I have seen this movie starring Norma Shearer and it
is wonderfully made.� I have attempted to save it in my files.� Jan
>
> --- On Wed, 11/4/09, tim <lovetoloveyou@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: tim <lovetoloveyou@...>
> Subject: 1939 Marie Antoinette movie [1 Attachment]
> To: "images of marie antoinette yahoo"
<images_of_marie_antoinette@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 7:31 AM
>
>
> �
>
>
> [Attachment(s) from tim included below]
>
>
> looks interesting, a� MA� movie made in 1939
>
> � google�� and� get the � pando�� software� installed,
>
> get the� attachment on this e mail
> go to documents� click on the downloaded pando file
> and the movie will begin to download....� easy !
>
> get moving� cos the movie will only be up there on pando for another day
> or� so� !�� ( today is wed )
>
>
>
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