If you want to see photos of actual garments from those time periods try the
following web sites:

   http://victorianelegance.com/clothind.html  In the "Vintage Clothing Showcase"
click on the date you are interested in seeing. These are actual vintage
garments for sale.

   http://dept.kent.edu/museum/costume  This is the costume museum at Kent State
University. Click on "Time Search" then "Nineteenth Century" (for 1880-1890) or
"Twentieth Century" (for 1900-1920).On the next page click on the date you want
to see photos of. These are photos of actual garments from those time periods.

   I find these sites useful as you can see what colors and fabrics/trims were
actually used. They often used color combinations we would find garish.

   Good luck with your search.

   Susan S.

jenniferwylie <jenniferwylie@...> wrote:
   I'm working on a story set in a period of time where the clothing worn
would resemble the time period between 1880 and 1910. Due to the sheer
volume of material out there, are there some recommended links or book
resources that ya'll could point me toward? Thanks. :)

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> filled out adoption papers on two kittens, brother & sister, Asher & now
> Yazmeen (this might change again) and Tuesday was able to show them to Carole
Parker
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> day.  I spent over an hour with them today at the vet and the little boy was a
> purr monster again.  For the first time the little girl rolled onto her side
> so part of her belly was exposed and she leaned against my arm almost asleep.
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Steve Swope (aka phierma@...)

Hi all!

I've got a question.  Well, two of them, actually.

Firstly, does anybody know where to get that thermoplastic stuff that's
moldable with heat?

Secondly, is it true that it's low temp enough to soften on a really hot
day?

Thanks!

-SPark
www.bladespark.com

> Firstly, does anybody know where to get that
> thermoplastic stuff that's moldable with heat?

---Try a medical supplier. Some places use it nowadays
to make splints.

> Secondly, is it true that it's low temp enough to
> soften on a really hot day?

---Each grade of thermoplastic is a little different.
The thinner ones are more likely to get slightly bendy
with a lot of heat, so you'll need to play around with
it to see. I know hotter temps of water will soften it
up.

---Radar



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Friendly Plastic softens around 110F (38C) and melts around 140C. So not
quite at body temperature, but will indeed soften on a very hot day.
That may be the one you had in mind.

It also turns out that it outgasses plasticizers that some people are
allergic to, and over time embrittles as the amount of plasticizer drops
in the plastic matrix. So it is not useful as structural elements of a
costume that you want to keep around for any length of time.

Kevin
(who learned the hard way when the friendly plastic armature for an
illuminated fiber-optics mohawk softened from the heat of the lamps and
embedded itself in his hair. We managed to remove it without tearing
hair out by dint of 45 minutes of patient work by Lora Boehm)

Jennifer Wylie wrote:

>
>
>
>>Firstly, does anybody know where to get that
>>thermoplastic stuff that's moldable with heat?
>>
>>
>
>---Try a medical supplier. Some places use it nowadays
>to make splints.
>
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>>Secondly, is it true that it's low temp enough to
>>soften on a really hot day?
>>
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>
>---Each grade of thermoplastic is a little different.
>The thinner ones are more likely to get slightly bendy
>with a lot of heat, so you'll need to play around with
>it to see. I know hotter temps of water will soften it
>up.
>
>---Radar
>
>
>

I have purchased a type of hot-water thermoplastic from a medical supply -- but
it was quite a few years ago.

I have also bent and seen SCA armor made from a black sheet plastic -- useable
in vacuum formers -- but also can be bent under very hot lights, or heat guns
(hair-blow-dryers?)  I warn you that this is often purchased from a plastic
supplier in rather large sheets -- think feet, not inches.

Anything made out of such materials should probably not be stored in a hot car,
or under constant forces.


Charles

----- Original Message -----
   From: Kevin Roche
   To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 11:30 AM
   Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Thermoplastic


   Friendly Plastic softens around 110F (38C) and melts around 140C. So not
   quite at body temperature, but will indeed soften on a very hot day.
   That may be the one you had in mind.

   It also turns out that it outgasses plasticizers that some people are
   allergic to, and over time embrittles as the amount of plasticizer drops
   in the plastic matrix. So it is not useful as structural elements of a
   costume that you want to keep around for any length of time.

   Kevin
   (who learned the hard way when the friendly plastic armature for an
   illuminated fiber-optics mohawk softened from the heat of the lamps and
   embedded itself in his hair. We managed to remove it without tearing
   hair out by dint of 45 minutes of patient work by Lora Boehm)

   Jennifer Wylie wrote:

   >
   >
   >
   >>Firstly, does anybody know where to get that
   >>thermoplastic stuff that's moldable with heat?
   >>
   >>
   >
   >---Try a medical supplier. Some places use it nowadays
   >to make splints.
   >
   >
   >
   >>Secondly, is it true that it's low temp enough to
   >>soften on a really hot day?
   >>
   >>
   >
   >---Each grade of thermoplastic is a little different.
   >The thinner ones are more likely to get slightly bendy
   >with a lot of heat, so you'll need to play around with
   >it to see. I know hotter temps of water will soften it
   >up.
   >
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Kevin Roche wrote:

>Friendly Plastic softens around 110F (38C) and melts around 140C. So not
>quite at body temperature, but will indeed soften on a very hot day.
>That may be the one you had in mind.
>
<snip>
  I can testify from personal experience, that Friendly Plastic will
actually melt in the back seat of a closed car on a reasonably warm (85+
F) summer's day.  Ditto for hot melt glue.

Marty

Greetings,

I've used a themoplastic called wonderflex for over five years now.  Nothing
I have built has degraded in that time.  I've had pieces crunched in
elevators, no damage, and left in cars in the missouri summer heat (not
recommended) no problems.

Here is a link to the distributer if you want more information.

http://www.dazian.com/html/wonderflex.html

bruce the lesser

Is this Wonderflex that Bruce mentioned?

Besides the manufacturer-distributor (www.dazian.com), I know that
http://www.cosplaysupplies.com/ sells them, but the business is based
in Canada.

On that same site is an FAQ on the material.
http://www.cosplaysupplies.com/wonderflex/WonderflexFAQ.html

Basically, it has people who have tried using it, so you can get an
idea of what it can and cannot do.

According to one person's account, if you leave something shaped from
Wonderflex in a car on a hot summer day, the material will soften but
not deform.


--Stephen


--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie Park" <sparkling_image@h...>
wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> I've got a question.  Well, two of them, actually.
>
> Firstly, does anybody know where to get that thermoplastic stuff that's
> moldable with heat?
>
> Secondly, is it true that it's low temp enough to soften on a really
hot
> day?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -SPark
> www.bladespark.com
>

Hello All:

We have a day where people are invited to play games. If you're
interested, I can send you an invite off list.

Until later--

Carole

Well, mother nature has been going a bit wild here in northern
California. We came back from the snowy cold of Wisconsin to warmer but
much wetter weather. As many of you have seen in the news, we've had
flooding in northern California.

While we did not get flooding in our area, we got lots of wind. It was
bad enough that a power line went down in our neighborhood. We had no
power to our home from Sunday, January 1st at 8:30 a.m. to January 2nd
at 3:40 p.m. For sleeping, we put another quilt on top of the one we
already have on our bed.

Now, I get to play catch up with e-mail and a few other items. It's
nice to have the house warm again.

Until later--

Carole

Still waiting
--
Janice Dallas
Boston,MA area, USA
Janice@...
"Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..."

WONDERFLEX IS FANSTATIC !

I order mine here :
http://www.cosplaysupplies.com/wonderflex/wonderflex.html
There is a tutorial on the page as well. :) If you have any further
questions definately phone Dani, the owner of cosplaysupplies.com and ask.
No need to be shy, he's a great guy.

I have quite a bit around here. If you'd like a small sample let me know and
I'll mail it to you. :)

Cheers!

~Dawn :)
Fibre Fantasy Artists Canada


>From: brucethelesser <brucethelesser@...>
>Reply-To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
>To: <ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Thermoplastic
>Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:52:43 -0600
>
>Greetings,
>
>I've used a themoplastic called wonderflex for over five years now.
>Nothing
>I have built has degraded in that time.  I've had pieces crunched in
>elevators, no damage, and left in cars in the missouri summer heat (not
>recommended) no problems.
>
>Here is a link to the distributer if you want more information.
>
>http://www.dazian.com/html/wonderflex.html
>
>bruce the lesser

>According to one person's account, if you leave something shaped from
>Wonderflex in a car on a hot summer day, the material will soften but
>not deform.
>
>
>--Stephen

I can attest to that. No damage done last summer after keeping it in the
car. (Okay I know, I AM in Canada, but still.....) XD

~Dawn :)

Dear Janice -

I've sent you a message offlist re the newsletter - would you mind getting back
with me at your earliest opportunity re same?  (I'd like to confirm that the
address we have for you is correct, and get you a copy of that newsletter asap.)

Thanks a bunch!

Denisen Hartlove
(Acting) Editor
ICG Newsletter

>   Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:33:06 -0500
>   From: Janice Dallas <Janice@...>
>Subject: Re:newsletter
>
>Still waiting
>--
>Janice Dallas
>Boston,MA area, USA
>Janice@...
>"Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..."
>

Friendly plastic has a shelf life.  It gets brittle after a while,
and I do not recommend it beyond making small decorative shapes.
I have also had friendly plastic stick in my hair from an innocent
barrette decorated with the iridescent metallic version simply from
sitting in the sun.
I use the thermoplastic imbedded fabrics frequently.  The American
source for these is Douglas and Sturgess in San Francisco :
http://www.artstuf.com
Douglas and Sturgess has a question and answer service and they have
mostly been very good about helping with recommendations and
suggestions.  Different thermoplastics have different temperature constraints.
There are several types and thicknesses of the fabrics and the best
one for you depends on how you  you want to use it.  It varies from a
wide mesh to several varieties of purchase by the yard fabrics in
varied weights.  There are also sheets of a harder thermoplastic that
I have not used because of the expense.
I have successfully used the fabrics in many costumes, and they have
the advantage of being sewable as well as shapeable.  I have built
masks, crowns, headpieces, modified shoes, built armor and props, and
created body parts for my aliens out of these surfaced in various ways.
I have worked with the mesh and then covered it with cloth or paper
mache, which makes it less susceptible to heat problems.
You can surface the thermoplastic fabrics with ordinary fabric by
ironing them together.
Hot melt glue is a thermoplastic.  It can also be used in molds to
create small parts.
good Luck,
Dana MacDermott


At 03:28 AM 1/3/2006, you wrote:
>Message: 1
>    Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:50:15 -0700
>    From: "Stephanie Park" <sparkling_image@...>
>Subject: Thermoplastic
>
>Hi all!
>
>I've got a question.  Well, two of them, actually.
>
>Firstly, does anybody know where to get that thermoplastic stuff that's
>moldable with heat?
>
>Secondly, is it true that it's low temp enough to soften on a really hot
>day?
>
>Thanks!

Can anyone give me a closer date than the "50's" described in this
item description for a hat, e.g., late 50s, early 50s, late 40s, etc.?
  (Have done some research, but am not finding much ... still, couldn't
resist bidding, yum!)

Thanks -

Denisen

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8367915148&rd=1&sspagename=ST\
RK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1

In a message dated 1/3/2006 1:17:48 AM Central Standard Time,
mscip@... writes:
> We came back from the snowy cold of Wisconsin to warmer but
> much wetter weather.
You called that cold? That was nothin'!

Of course, ironically, it has gotten unseasonably warm since then and snow
has become a rare thing 'round here!

Henry Osier
Chief Spy
CostumeCon 28 Bid in Milwaukee in 2010
e-mail CC2010Milw@... for more information
or visit http://www.geocities.com/dandyhank/CC28Milwaukee2010.html


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Hi everyone,

   I need to make a pair of Ringwraith gloves and am looking for a moldable
material in either plastic or metal that is heat resistant to make the outer
portion of the gloves out of. Has anyone out there made a pair of these gloves
or knows what material I can use?

   Thanks much! Anne


Anne Michaud
  "If your head bops, your fingers snap and your feet tap...then it's swing"
Frankie Manning


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Try cutting apart milk cartons. :)

The plastic is stiff enough to hold shape yet flexible
enough to move into the shapes you want.

---Radar

--- Anne Michaud <anne1942us@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>   I need to make a pair of Ringwraith gloves and am
> looking for a moldable material in either plastic or
> metal that is heat resistant to make the outer
> portion of the gloves out of. Has anyone out there
> made a pair of these gloves or knows what material I
> can use?
>
>   Thanks much! Anne
>
>
> Anne Michaud
>  "If your head bops, your fingers snap and your feet
> tap...then it's swing" Frankie Manning
>
>
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For LOTR costuming you can find lots of help/information here.  Dig
through the website as there is much that has been done and reserched
already.

http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/

E-Mail list

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_Costume/
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOTR_Costume/>

Susan

Anne

We went to a party where someone had used cans (like the ones your baked
beans come in) to make the metal part of the gloves. The corrugated surface
looked great, but the edges were a bit sharp!

:)

Margaret
(from Australia)

> >   I need to make a pair of Ringwraith gloves and am
> > looking for a moldable material in either plastic or
> > metal that is heat resistant to make the outer
> > portion of the gloves out of. Has anyone out there
> > made a pair of these gloves or knows what material I
> > can use?

Looks like what my mother was wearing in the late 40's - early Fifties.
   I found a page in a Sears Catalog of 1951 hats, and they have a
similar look.
--
Janice Dallas
Boston,MA area, USA
Janice@...
"Just so, the girl has beauty, virtue, wit..."

I've had a couple of braces made out of the medical plastic stuff, you can
probably check with a place that does Occupational Therapy.  They have used an
electric frying pan at 150 degrees or the last place had a big tank that they
used.  It's expensive and they said if you leave it in a car during the summer
it will completely lose it's shape.  One place used a version with holes and
the other used a solid version (holes were more comfortable in that it breathed
better)

Michele


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In a message dated 1/4/2006 5:32:51 AM Central Standard Time,
ICG-D@yahoogroups.com writes:
>    From: "Jay and Denisen" <hartlove@...>
> Subject: Date a Hat?  (No, haha, this isn't a singles ad from a milliner!)
>
> Can anyone give me a closer date than the "50's" described in this
> item description for a hat, e.g., late 50s, early 50s, late 40s, etc.?
> (Have done some research, but am not finding much ... still, couldn't
> resist bidding, yum!)
>
> Thanks -
>
> Denisen
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8367915148&rd=1&
> sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1

Off hand, I'd say early to mid 50's.
Henry Osier
Chief Spy
CostumeCon 28 Bid in Milwaukee in 2010
e-mail CC2010Milw@... for more information
or visit http://www.geocities.com/dandyhank/CC28Milwaukee2010.html


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.....
> We went to a party where someone had used cans ....but the edges were a bit
sharp!
>
You can take a file to the edges in order to 'round them out'.  We used to do
that with
printer's tin... Which is another option.

Why does it have to be heat resistent?  The easiest way (and safer) would be to
make it out of
Sytrene and paint it with automotive paints in order to make it look like metal.
You can find
styrenes (and similar plastics) at craft stores or model shops and you can buy
it in sheets.
You would then 'heat it' in order to slowly bend it into the shapes you want BUT
it will not
resist heat.

Hope that helps.
Christina
http://www.carrhunger.com

To all (with apologies to those who get this more than once...):

The e-mail contact for the Costume Con 24 doll contest is (at the moment):

MBORZOI@...

This is Michelle Clark, who is assisting Kat Pepmiller with the doll
contest.  Kat is having e-mail 'issues' at the moment.

Sandy

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