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Aurora Celeste wrote:
> Does anyone have any pictures of my orange Madame du Pompadour dress from
> the Sci-fi/Fantasy Masque?  I didn't get any of the completed costume that I
> have permission to use online.
>
This one?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bovil/3521080478/in/set-72157617973378310/

If you want any of these without the watermark, just note the names and
drop me an email offlist. I just ask for credit.

andy

I have some Aurora. I'll try to find them and upload to photobucket. :)



To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
From: auroraceleste@...
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 01:27:11 -0500
Subject: [ICG-D] CC27





Does anyone have any pictures of my orange Madame du Pompadour dress from
the Sci-fi/Fantasy Masque? I didn't get any of the completed costume that I
have permission to use online.

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Does anyone have any pictures of my orange Madame du Pompadour dress from
the Sci-fi/Fantasy Masque?  I didn't get any of the completed costume that I
have permission to use online.


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I'm considering a trip up there in the not too distant future. Timing is
everything, so it might be after Christmas at this rate...

-b

rookwoods wrote:
>
>
> Some locations allowed photography and some didn't (Winterthur didn't)
> and there was unfortunately no catalog. That was a fabulous exhibit though.
>
> -Judy Mitchell

--
--
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

Some locations allowed photography and some didn't (Winterthur didn't) and there
was unfortunately no catalog. That was a fabulous exhibit though.

       -Judy Mitchell

--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, "Byron Connell" <bpconnell@...> wrote:
>
> This appears to be the same traveling exhibit of British film and TV costumes
that we have seen at Winterthur (Delaware) and the Allentown Art Museum
(Pennsylvania).  We recommend it.  Because the exhibit appears to be very large,
some museums apparently take only part of it to show.  Therefore, you get to see
some different costumes at every venue.  The exhibit includes costumes from a
variety of BBC historical productions and such films as Onegin and Shining
Through.
>
> Byron
>
>

This appears to be the same traveling exhibit of British film and TV costumes
that we have seen at Winterthur (Delaware) and the Allentown Art Museum
(Pennsylvania).  We recommend it.  Because the exhibit appears to be very large,
some museums apparently take only part of it to show.  Therefore, you get to see
some different costumes at every venue.  The exhibit includes costumes from a
variety of BBC historical productions and such films as Onegin and Shining
Through.

Byron


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Lisa A Ashton<mailto:lisa58@...>
   To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
   Cc: icg-d@yahoogroups.com<mailto:icg-d@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:06 AM
   Subject: [ICG-D] exhibit I just found out about



   Someone sent me this info on this exhibit and it sounds pretty
   interesting. HAven't seen it mentioned here before.

  
http://www.readingpublicmuseum.org/museum/exhibits/exhibitions/magic_of_h<http:/\
/www.readingpublicmuseum.org/museum/exhibits/exhibitions/magic_of_h>
   ollywood.php

   Yours in costuming, Lis aA>




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Looks like a wonderful exhibit.  I didn't see anything about a catalogue for
sale, if anyone does please let me know. 
 
It's worth while to go to the BCTV Archive link and watch the interviews about
the exhibit.  Lots of facts about the dresses on display and the stars who wore
them.  See who had one leg shorter an the other, who refused to wear a bra with
her costumes because whe thought the underwires would give her breast cancer,
and who stood on steps and boxes to make her legs look longer?
 
Barb
 


--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@...> wrote:


From: Lisa A Ashton <lisa58@...>
Subject: [ICG-D] exhibit I just found out about
To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
Cc: icg-d@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 7:06 AM


 



Someone sent me this info on this exhibit and it sounds pretty
interesting. HAven't seen it mentioned here before.

http://www.readingp ublicmuseum. org/museum/ exhibits/ exhibitions/ magic_of_ h
ollywood.php

Yours in costuming, Lis aA>








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At 03:41 AM 11/26/2009, you wrote:
>
><geek>
>It's worse than that; at one point, the BBC were actively purging
>their archives of old black-and-white programs they thought no one
>would ever be interested in again (Doctor Who was not the only
>casualty). The surviving episodes were mostly recovered from
>overseas markets where the purges hadn't occurred.
>
><ubergeek>
>As an aside, It also resulted in the loss of the color version
>of Episode 1 of "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (The first episode
>carried the title "Invasion", to keep from spoiling the surprise
>ending; "Invasion" happened to be the title of a Troughton episode
>slated for purging.)
></ubergeek>
>
>Rumours (sic) persist of a collector who has managed to "rescue"
>the missing episodes.
></geek>

I hadn't heard that one. Lets hope they come forward at some point.

Pierre

>Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:
> >
> >
> > At 01:29 PM 11/23/2009, you wrote:
> >
> > It is unfortunate that there are no known copies
> > of some of the early episodes. No one at the BBC thought to preserve the
> > film.
> >
> > Pierre

"Those Who Fail to Learn History
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -
Why They Are Simply Doomed."

Achemdro'hm
"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
-- C. Y. 4971

Andromeda

Hey! I'd be up for a trip to see this!

(I also have friends in that general vicinity.)

Anyone interested in a road trip???

-b

Lisa A Ashton wrote:
>
>
> Someone sent me this info on this exhibit and it sounds pretty
> interesting. HAven't seen it mentioned here before.
>
> http://www.readingpublicmuseum.org/museum/exhibits/exhibitions/magic_of_h
> <http://www.readingpublicmuseum.org/museum/exhibits/exhibitions/magic_of_h>
> ollywood.php

--
--
Betsy Marks Delaney

http://www.hawkeswood.com/

Someone sent me this info on this exhibit and it sounds pretty
interesting.  HAven't seen it mentioned here before.

http://www.readingpublicmuseum.org/museum/exhibits/exhibitions/magic_of_h
ollywood.php

Yours in costuming, Lis aA>

I attended my first Costume Con in Des Moines - and found none of these issues. 
Sure, there are some folk who just don't talk to others they don't know right
away, but that's usually nothing to do with your costuming abilities, it's more
just their personality.

I've had people answer my questions, help me with things, enjoy my own work as
much as I enjoy theirs, and put up with me when I got all "fangirl" on them (I
only did that once or twice!)

I have met some people from another costuming con, name withheld to protect the
innocent,  and been treated like I was waste product until it became clear that
I am a professional milliner.  But it's enough to make an impression on me that
these are not people I wish to associate with.

On the other hand, at other cons, I've found that the older adults can be very
standoffish until they know you.  The kids will talk to anyone, and are thrilled
when an adult with costuming experience will talk to them and help them out,
because so many at those cons tend to dismiss the kids.

  But then, I find if you are a workmanship judge, you are either loved or hated
- no real middle ground.


--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, Barb Schofield <wilberforcebarb@...> wrote:
>
> Well...� yes and no.��I attended the first Costume Con through number 17, and
then had to stop for work and health reasons.� I hope to make it next year.�
These comments are from my general experience at these cons and not meant to
single out any specific Costume Con.
> �
> When I attended the first Costume Con I was not a typical new costume fan as I
had won� a good award, "Best Group Journeyman", at the Denver Worldcon in 1981.�
I was spared the "we only talk to winners" snub.�(We were treated like second
class costumers at Denver until the awards were given out, but that's another
story).
> �
> Costume fandom has it's version of� "but what have you done recently".� I
have�experienced the "but you haven't won anything big recently" treatment.� To
quote Scarlett, in my 30 years in costuming, I've won almost everything there is
to win at one time or another so "frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn�".
> �
> The worst things I have seen at Costume Cons include:
> �
> 1.�So called "big name" costume fans refusing to talk to new fans, or being
rude or condescending.� This is happened in the halls and at panels, where the
panelists talk to the audience like they are idiots.
> �
> 2. The same "big name" fans falling over themselves to talk to the same new
costumers after they have won a major award.
> �
> 3. "Big name" costumers saying how a Costume Con was so friendly, while new
costumers were snubbed and insulted at the same con.
> �
> 4.� Local costumers attending Costume Con for the first time, sometimes from
local historical reenactment groups, and no now talking to them or welcoming
them.
> �
> 5.� Masquerades and other events giving preferential treatment to "name"
costumers over new entrants or attendees.
> �
> 6.� Masquerade judges treating the masquerade director badly and
rudely�because the director was not a "big name" costumer.
> �
> Now I'm sure that these incidents are in the minority and none of us would do
this, but it is a concern to be welcoming to new fans after begging them to
attend your con so you can get their membership money.
> �
> Barb
> �
> �
> �
> �
>
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Then there are the Costumers who make Costumes for money aka Filthy Hucksters or
Untouchables [until you need something...]

--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, lani.lee@... wrote:
>
> Historical re-enactors - thread counters vs. farbs
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aurora Celeste" <auroraceleste@...>
> To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 4:20:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [ICG-D] "Damn (fill in blank), get out of my con! " response
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, first you have to list out costume groups:
>
> Furries
> Media Recration
> Literary Recreation
> Original Design
> High Art
> Cosplay
> Comics (and old-school vs new, spandex, web vs. print)
> Ren Fest
> SCA
> Fashionists (Goth, Steampunk, Lolita, Punk, and their subgenres if you wish)
> Cat Girls/Boys (and variations thereof)
> Bought Costumes
> Star Trek/Star Wars/Klingons/Stormtroopers (that's a whole acre of messy
> arrows right there)
> Masquerade vs Hall vs party vs Halloween
> Pretty Princesses (under the age of 12)
> Sexy Costume
> cheap vs expensive (wars over this in the anime world)
>
> I'm sure I've forgotten tons . . .
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Lisa A Ashton < lisa58@... > wrote:
>
> > Hey, thank you! I have beent rying to figure something out like this
> > for Costumers for a few yers, but haven't really had the time or help (I
> > need some warped minds to help--any volunteers?). It would be GREAT to
> > ahve it at one of my hoped-for Arisia panels.
> >
> > Yours inc osutming, Lis aA>
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:06:11 +0000 (UTC) lani.lee@... writes:
> > > This one has also been around the interwebs several times, but always
> > > makes me laugh.
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/images/blogs/laughlines/posts/geekchart.jpg
> > >
> > > (and this one does include furries, Dawn ^_~ )
> > >
> >
> >
>
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My initial costuming experiences were at regional cons and Worldcons.  I watched
for 15 years before having enough courage to put an entry on stage in 1995 (at
Worldcon)

  I hit all the CC problems you describe and more at CC17, my second Costumecon. 
There were so few entries for the Fashion Folio (6 if I remember correctly) that
they did not have a separate show for it. The entrants did not get individual
time on stage and I was so turned off that I have not done a costume for that
part of CC since.

My response for CC18 was to design a costume so big it could not be ignored (at
53 feet long with the tip of the horns at nearly 14 feet off the ground.)  The
judges deemed it a prop. C'est la vie.

After many missed CostumeCons, I attended this year's CC in Maryland.     I'm a
stranger, or at best unrecognizable to many costumers, and I did not have much
in the way of costume available to wear (oh the irony!)having decided to go with
less than a month notice.  So when I showed up this year I was almost in the
position of a newbie.  While quite a few folks at the latest CC were wonderful,
and some even remembered me fondly, there were times when I felt like I had been
snubbed or just left out in the cold.  So I tried hard to talk to folks I saw
sitting alone and spent lots of time helping out with Technofandom (who are
wonderful on many levels!)

Dina




--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, Barb Schofield <wilberforcebarb@...> wrote:
>
> Well...  yes and no.  I attended the first Costume Con through number 17, and
then had to stop for work and health reasons.  I hope to make it next year. 
These comments are from my general experience at these cons and not meant to
single out any specific Costume Con.
>
> When I attended the first Costume Con I was not a typical new costume fan as I
had won  a good award, "Best Group Journeyman", at the Denver Worldcon in 1981. 
I was spared the "we only talk to winners" snub. (We were treated like second
class costumers at Denver until the awards were given out, but that's another
story).
>
> Costume fandom has it's version of  "but what have you done recently".  I have
experienced the "but you haven't won anything big recently" treatment.  To quote
Scarlett, in my 30 years in costuming, I've won almost everything there is to
win at one time or another so "frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn ".
>
> The worst things I have seen at Costume Cons include:
>
> 1. So called "big name" costume fans refusing to talk to new fans, or being
rude or condescending.  This is happened in the halls and at panels, where the
panelists talk to the audience like they are idiots.
>
> 2. The same "big name" fans falling over themselves to talk to the same new
costumers after they have won a major award.
>
> 3. "Big name" costumers saying how a Costume Con was so friendly, while new
costumers were snubbed and insulted at the same con.
>
> 4.  Local costumers attending Costume Con for the first time, sometimes from
local historical reenactment groups, and no now talking to them or welcoming
them.
>
> 5.  Masquerades and other events giving preferential treatment to "name"
costumers over new entrants or attendees.
>
> 6.  Masquerade judges treating the masquerade director badly and rudely
because the director was not a "big name" costumer.
>
> Now I'm sure that these incidents are in the minority and none of us would do
this, but it is a concern to be welcoming to new fans after begging them to
attend your con so you can get their membership money.
>
> Barb
>
>
>
>
>
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You go girl.

Always nice to receive recognition.

Genie,

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That's fantastic, Alixandra! (happy dancing on your behalf) I'll have to look up
those books. :-)

Heather

“Never criticize someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. That
way, you’re a mile away, and you have their shoes.” --Anon.


--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Alix Jordan <eddanatobias@...> wrote:

> From: Alix Jordan <eddanatobias@...>
> Subject: [ICG-D] blackwork
> To: icg-d@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 5:05 PM
>
> Gentlebeings:
>
>
>
>    As the mystery fen amoung you may know,
> Blackwork by Monica Ferris, the latest in her needlework
> mysteries came out at the beginning of October. And I've
> just found out that I made the acknowledgment page! "and
> thank you to Alix Jordan for creating Connor Sullivan" or
> words to that effect. Yep, this is the one where I designed
> a boyfriend for her main character Betsy Devonshire. (Insert
> happy dance)
>
>    And to keep this on costuming, Ms. Ferris
> used to be a regular member of SCA, even writing a series of
> books about a dectective and his wife, who were active
> members of SCA, although only one took place at a SCA event.
> This was Murder at the War, which has been released in
> paperback as Knight Fall. Great book and it's fun picking
> out who's who or rather who inspired some of the characters.
> If you got to http://monica-ferris.com and hunt around
> in her bio page, you'll find a link for Murder at the War,
> which includes a photograph of her in SCA costume as, I
> believe, Margaret of Shaftsbury.
>
>    Ms. Ferris has also attended a number of
> cons, including Worldcon, and most recently Gaylixcon, where
> she held a party to celebrate the book.
>
>    Her next book, Buttons and Bones, will be
> out next October with my pattern in it as a freebie! (insert
> more happy dancing).
>
>
>
> Peace
>
> Alixandra
>
> eddana1@...
>
>
>     
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An outsider taking the power out of the hands of the masquerade directors who
knew the venue and had managed it for so many years was one of the most insane
things ever. -_- I'm so sorry I was down in the Greenroom when the s__t

hit the fan about this.



We now have an attendance of 59,000 in the same venue, and we still manage to
run a masquerade without people getting trampled in a mass exodus. -_- (of
course now that I've said that I've just jinxed myself).



~Dawn







Worldcons use a lot of space for the number of persons who attend.  Some
functions require a lot of room vs commercial conventions.

The weekend before Torcon 3 in 2003, we had Fan Expo in the same convention
centre function space with an attendance of about 16,000 fans.  Fan Expo had a
large masquerade with no problems about seating and crowd control.  They had no
problems with entrance and exits from their functions and space.

However Torcon had all  kinds of worries about crowd control, access to
escalators and elevators, and imposed draconian rules for crowd control.  We had
been running the Fan Expo masquerade, at arround 80 plus entries, for several
years and found it hard to comprehend the panic and anxiety of the worldcon
staff, when Fan Expo had had no problem dealing with 3 to 4 times the attendance
the previous weekend.

Maybe this is because Worldcon is run only one a year by volunteers vs
commercial cons who do events all the time.

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Congrats, Alix!

Ann in CT
who read Murder at the War, at War, and camped up the hill from 'David the
Archer' ;)
It was reissued as Knight Fall (1992), and re-re-issued as Murder at the War
(2001).

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Byron Connell <bpconnell@...> wrote:

> Congrats, Alix!
>
> Byron (who has read "Murder at the War")
>
> � From: Alix
>
> Blackwork by Monica Ferris, the latest in her
> needlework mysteries, came out at the beginning of October.
> And I've just found out that I made the acknowledgment page!
> "and thank you to Alix Jordan for creating Connor Sullivan"
> or words to that effect. Yep, this is the one where I
> designed a boyfriend for her main character Betsy
> Devonshire. (Insert happy dance)
>
> � ���Her next book, Buttons and Bones,
> will be out next October with my pattern in it as a freebie!
>
> � Alixandra

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Barb Schofield
<wilberforcebarb@...>wrote:

> Well...  yes and no.  I attended the first Costume Con through number 17,
> and then had to stop for work and health reasons.  I hope to make it next
> year.  These comments are from my general experience at these cons and not
> meant to single out any specific Costume Con.
>
> When I attended the first Costume Con I was not a typical new costume fan
> as I had won  a good award, "Best Group Journeyman", at the Denver Worldcon
> in 1981.  I was spared the "we only talk to winners" snub. (We were treated
> like second class costumers at Denver until the awards were given out, but
> that's another story).
>
> Costume fandom has it's version of  "but what have you done recently".  I
> have experienced the "but you haven't won anything big recently" treatment.
> To quote Scarlett, in my 30 years in costuming, I've won almost everything
> there is to win at one time or another so "frankly, my dears, I don't give a
> damn ".
>
> The worst things I have seen at Costume Cons include:
>
> 1. So called "big name" costume fans refusing to talk to new fans, or being
> rude or condescending.  This is happened in the halls and at panels, where
> the panelists talk to the audience like they are idiots.
>
>
Thankfully I've never seen this at a costume con.  I have seen new fans not
being talked to, but it's because everyone else is talking to people they
know and don't realize that there are people around who don't know anyone.



> 2. The same "big name" fans falling over themselves to talk to the same new
> costumers after they have won a major award.
>
>
Have seen a kind of this, but I don't think it was snubbing before hand.
Again, I think it's just a tendency to catch up with the people we know more
than the people we don't.  I think everyone, old and new, is guilty of this.



> 3. "Big name" costumers saying how a Costume Con was so friendly, while new
> costumers were snubbed and insulted at the same con.
>
> 4.  Local costumers attending Costume Con for the first time, sometimes
> from local historical reenactment groups, and no now talking to them or
> welcoming them.
>
> 5.  Masquerades and other events giving preferential treatment to "name"
> costumers over new entrants or attendees.
>
>
Every time I've seen this it wasn't on purpose.  I think the "name"
costumers, as you put it, are more likely to stand up for themselves and
demand fair treatment.  I'm the kind of person that has a harder time with
that.  New entrants, or people newer to Costume Con, don't know that it's
even an option, so they don't ask for fairness and are left behind in the
process.  I don't know how to remedy that.  We try with experienced Den
Parents who try to ensure that everyone is getting treated like they
deserve, but they can only catch so much.



> 6.  Masquerade judges treating the masquerade director badly and
> rudely because the director was not a "big name" costumer.
>
> Now I'm sure that these incidents are in the minority and none of us would
> do this, but it is a concern to be welcoming to new fans after begging them
> to attend your con so you can get their membership money.
>
> Barb
>
>


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Congratulations!  I've already ordered it from Poison Pen Press!

Elaine

Nil significat nisi oscillat!



>
>
> Gentlebeings:
>
>
>
> As the mystery fen amoung you may know, Blackwork by Monica Ferris, the latest
in her needlework mysteries came out at the beginning of October. And I've just
found out that I made the acknowledgment page! "and thank you to Alix Jordan for
creating Connor Sullivan" or words to that effect. Yep, this is the one where I
designed a boyfriend for her main character Betsy Devonshire. (Insert happy
dance)
>
> And to keep this on costuming, Ms. Ferris used to be a regular member of SCA,
even writing a series of books about a dectective and his wife, who were active
members of SCA, although only one took place at a SCA event. This was Murder at
the War, which has been released in paperback as Knight Fall. Great book and
it's fun picking out who's who or rather who inspired some of the characters. If
you got to http://monica-ferris.com and hunt around in her bio page, you'll find
a link for Murder at the War, which includes a photograph of her in SCA costume
as, I believe, Margaret of Shaftsbury.
>
> Ms. Ferris has also attended a number of cons, including Worldcon, and most
recently Gaylixcon, where she held a party to celebrate the book.
>
> Her next book, Buttons and Bones, will be out next October with my pattern in
it as a freebie! (insert more happy dancing).
>
>
>
> Peace
>
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Well...� yes and no.��I attended the first Costume Con through number 17, and
then had to stop for work and health reasons.� I hope to make it next year.�
These comments are from my general experience at these cons and not meant to
single out any specific Costume Con.
�
When I attended the first Costume Con I was not a typical new costume fan as I
had won� a good award, "Best Group Journeyman", at the Denver Worldcon in 1981.�
I was spared the "we only talk to winners" snub.�(We were treated like second
class costumers at Denver until the awards were given out, but that's another
story).
�
Costume fandom has it's version of� "but what have you done recently".� I
have�experienced the "but you haven't won anything big recently" treatment.� To
quote Scarlett, in my 30 years in costuming, I've won almost everything there is
to win at one time or another so "frankly, my dears, I don't give a damn�".
�
The worst things I have seen at Costume Cons include:
�
1.�So called "big name" costume fans refusing to talk to new fans, or being rude
or condescending.� This is happened in the halls and at panels, where the
panelists talk to the audience like they are idiots.
�
2. The same "big name" fans falling over themselves to talk to the same new
costumers after they have won a major award.
�
3. "Big name" costumers saying how a Costume Con was so friendly, while new
costumers were snubbed and insulted at the same con.
�
4.� Local costumers attending Costume Con for the first time, sometimes from
local historical reenactment groups, and no now talking to them or welcoming
them.
�
5.� Masquerades and other events giving preferential treatment to "name"
costumers over new entrants or attendees.
�
6.� Masquerade judges treating the masquerade director badly and rudely�because
the director was not a "big name" costumer.
�
Now I'm sure that these incidents are in the minority and none of us would do
this, but it is a concern to be welcoming to new fans after begging them to
attend your con so you can get their membership money.
�
Barb
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Hi,

The panic attack was one person in a position of authority who hasn't
before and never will be again in that position.  It was truly
unfortunate.

Jill


On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Barb Schofield wrote:

However Torcon had all  kinds of worries about crowd control, access
to escalators and elevators, and imposed draconian rules for crowd
control.  We had been running the Fan Expo masquerade, at arround 80
plus entries, for several years and found it hard to comprehend the
panic and anxiety of the worldcon staff, when Fan Expo had had no
problem dealing with 3 to 4 times the attendance the previous weekend.

Maybe this is because Worldcon is run only one a year by volunteers vs
commercial cons who do events all the time.

And I sell 'Murder at the War' along with Monica Ferris' most recent couple of
embroidery mysteries.

I just got the new edition of The Art of the Shoemake'r, and some keen (old) CSA
costume calendars.

Devra (packing for Darkover)






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I came into SF/F cons from Star Trek fandom in 1977.� My friends and I found
that local SF/F cons would advertise to attract new fans but were very
unfriendly to new people at the event.�� If you went into the con suite no one
would talk to you.�These were small insular conventions of a few hundred fans
�
I found it easier to meet new people at large American cons, such as Nasfic in
1979 and Worldcon in 1980.
.
It's a social norm of some fandom groups, including costumers, that they attend
cons with friends, go to all events with the same group and don't make any
effort to meet new people.� Why travel hundreds of miles to socialize with the
same people you already know?� Everyone has some degree of social anxiety and
it's so much easier not to take chances.� This behaviour makes it hard for new
attendees to break into established groups.� It also explains the fact that the
odds of meeting new people expand with the attendance of the event.
�
I've been interested in observing the social dynamics of fandom for many years
and� am currently spending a lot of my time on convention committees�organizing
social events.� The major difference between commercial conventions and fancom
conventions should be the feeling that you are a welcome attendee and
participant, and not just a paying customer.
�
Barb
�
�
�
�
�
�
�
�
�
�
�
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Worldcons use a lot of space for the number of persons who attend.� Some
functions require a lot of room vs commercial conventions.
�
The weekend before Torcon 3 in 2003, we had Fan Expo in the same convention
centre�function space with an attendance of about 16,000 fans.� Fan Expo had a
large masquerade with no problems about seating and crowd control.� They had no
problems with entrance and exits from their functions and space.
�
However Torcon�had all� kinds of worries about crowd control, access to
escalators and elevators, and imposed draconian rules for crowd control.� We had
been running the Fan Expo masquerade, at arround 80 plus entries, for several
years and found it hard to comprehend the panic and anxiety of the worldcon
staff, when�Fan Expo�had had no problem dealing with 3 to 4 times the attendance
the previous weekend.
�
Maybe this is because Worldcon is run only one a year by volunteers vs
commercial cons who do events all the time.
�
Barb

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Kevin Roche <kevin@...> wrote:



�



It's not that; it's just that Worldcon is currently exactly the wrong
size (too big for a hotel conference center, but small enough that the
cost per person to use a large conference center goes way up.

If it shrank *a lot* it could fit in a single hotel.
If it grew to about 10,000, the cost of the convention center would be
spread out over twice as many attendees and the price would drop.

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learnt a lot about adding glitter to costumes.� She did not compete but was well
known for her elaborate costumes.�
�
Barb



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�



IIRC, Barbara Hambly attended CC 8 and clerked for the SF masquerade.

Byron






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<geek>
It's worse than that; at one point, the BBC were actively purging
their archives of old black-and-white programs they thought no one
would ever be interested in again (Doctor Who was not the only
casualty).  The surviving episodes were mostly recovered from
overseas markets where the purges hadn't occurred.

<ubergeek>
As an aside, It also resulted in the loss of the color version
of Episode 1 of "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (The first episode
carried the title "Invasion", to keep from spoiling the surprise
ending; "Invasion" happened to be the title of a Troughton episode
slated for purging.)
</ubergeek>

Rumours (sic) persist of a collector who has managed to "rescue"
the missing episodes.
</geek>

Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote:
>
>
> At 01:29 PM 11/23/2009, you wrote:
>
> It is unfortunate that there are no known copies
> of some of the early episodes. No one at the BBC thought to preserve the
> film.
>
> Pierre
>
>  >A nice bit of Dr Who history.
>  >
>  >Nov. 23, 1963: Doctor Who Materializes on BBC
>  ><<http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2009/11/1123dr-who-debuts/
>
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> <http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2009/11/1123dr-who-debuts/>>
>...


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When she was GoH at our small local con, she judged the masquerade
and entered the Friday night "Elvis look-a-like" contest.

Sandy

At 07:49 PM 11/25/2009, you wrote:

>IIRC, Barbara Hambly attended CC 8 and clerked for the SF masquerade.
>
>Byron
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ann Catelli<mailto:elvestoorder@...>
>To:
><mailto:ICG-D%40yahoogroups.com>ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.\
com>
>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Worldcon, interesting reading....
>
>Esther Friesner has often entered masquerades and Barbara Hambly, too.
>
>I've ninj'd when Esther is on stage---Mothra Stewart at one Lunacon
>had a major sound glitch, so I had to get her off stage, finish the
>show, and then pop her Back on stage after the show proper so her
>many fans could see her costume. It was a groaner, even with the
>break and the technical difficulties, which were sorted out thanks
>to some tech working in the dark while the show ran . . . .
>
>Ann in CT

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Congrats, Alix!

Byron (who has read "Murder at the War")


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   From: Alix Jordan<mailto:eddanatobias@...>
   To: icg-d@yahoogroups.com<mailto:icg-d@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 7:05 PM
   Subject: [ICG-D] blackwork



   Gentlebeings:



      As the mystery fen amoung you may know, Blackwork by Monica Ferris, the
latest in her needlework mysteries came out at the beginning of October. And
I've just found out that I made the acknowledgment page! "and thank you to Alix
Jordan for creating Connor Sullivan" or words to that effect. Yep, this is the
one where I designed a boyfriend for her main character Betsy Devonshire.
(Insert happy dance)

      And to keep this on costuming, Ms. Ferris used to be a regular member of
SCA, even writing a series of books about a dectective and his wife, who were
active members of SCA, although only one took place at a SCA event. This was
Murder at the War, which has been released in paperback as Knight Fall. Great
book and it's fun picking out who's who or rather who inspired some of the
characters. If you got to http://monica-ferris.com<http://monica-ferris.com/>
and hunt around in her bio page, you'll find a link for Murder at the War, which
includes a photograph of her in SCA costume as, I believe, Margaret of
Shaftsbury.

      Ms. Ferris has also attended a number of cons, including Worldcon, and most
recently Gaylixcon, where she held a party to celebrate the book.

      Her next book, Buttons and Bones, will be out next October with my pattern
in it as a freebie! (insert more happy dancing).



   Peace

   Alixandra

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IIRC, Barbara Hambly attended CC 8 and clerked for the SF masquerade.

Byron


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   To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ICG-D@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [ICG-D] Re: Worldcon, interesting reading....



   Esther Friesner has often entered masquerades and Barbara Hambly, too.

   I've ninj'd when Esther is on stage---Mothra Stewart at one Lunacon had a
major sound glitch, so I had to get her off stage, finish the show, and then pop
her Back on stage after the show proper so her many fans could see her costume.
It was a groaner, even with the break and the technical difficulties, which were
sorted out thanks to some tech working in the dark while the show ran . . . .

   Ann in CT

   --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger
<costumrs@...<mailto:costumrs%40radiks.net>> wrote:

   > The uninformed person who spoke to Dawn apparently missed, as Sandy
   > noted, the costumers in the fan gallery. He also seems to not realize
   > that many of the "stars" of the F/SF field have participated in
   > masquerades; including Heinlein, Asimov, Niven and others.
   >
   > Pierre





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