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#39 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:54 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 275 trail sumoe_99
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It'll probably need a separate overpass bridge installed to get the trail users farther away from the oncoming traffic. There should be an engineer investgating this soon, right Dave?

sue

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Hi Sue,

I've started using that dirt road to bypass the closed section of the path. Why do you believe it will take a lot of money to fix that section?

Dean Johnson

"Sue M." <sumoe_99@...> wrote:

Welcome from me, too! I posted the original I-275 map on the MMBA.org photos website. It shows exactly where the trail goes back and forth. I, too, believe the south end holds much promise. But, Ford Road to Michigan Ave will take a LOT of money to fix. In the meantime, I use the dirt road 1/4 mile to the east (just watch out for the killer Chihuahua's on it! ;-) )

sue

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Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:55 AM

Subject: [I275bikepath] Re: New 275 member

Welcome! --- In I275bikepath@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Johnson" <deanlpbc@s...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm a new member of the I-275 yahoo group, and I wanted to introduce > myself. My name is Dean Johnson, and I live in the far southeast > corner of Plymouth Township, near Joy and Eckles. I both run and > ride my mountain bike on the trail, and I usually get on at the little > opening in the Crossings of Canton apartment complex. I almost > always ride south into the remote section of the path. Just this > morning I rode that way, and got attacked by a red-winged blackbird > just south of Koppernick. Also saw a coyote. > > I'm a big advocate of reopening the section between Michigan Ave. and > Van Born. By the way, I saw someone write that the trail ends at the > dump at Van Born. It doesn't end there. You just have to go under > 275 and pick it up on the west side of the highway. > > I look forward to hearing from the rest of you! > > Dean Johnson

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#38 From: Lake Pointe Bible Church <deanlpbc@...>
Date: Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:31 pm
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Hi Sue,

I've started using that dirt road to bypass the closed section of the path. Why do you believe it will take a lot of money to fix that section?

Dean Johnson

"Sue M." <sumoe_99@...> wrote:

Welcome from me, too! I posted the original I-275 map on the MMBA.org photos website. It shows exactly where the trail goes back and forth. I, too, believe the south end holds much promise. But, Ford Road to Michigan Ave will take a LOT of money to fix. In the meantime, I use the dirt road 1/4 mile to the east (just watch out for the killer Chihuahua's on it! ;-) )

sue

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Subject: [I275bikepath] Re: New 275 member

Welcome! --- In I275bikepath@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Johnson" <deanlpbc@s...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm a new member of the I-275 yahoo group, and I wanted to introduce > myself. My name is Dean Johnson, and I live in the far southeast > corner of Plymouth Township, near Joy and Eckles. I both run and > ride my mountain bike on the trail, and I usually get on at the little > opening in the Crossings of Canton apartment complex. I almost > always ride south into the remote section of the path. Just this > morning I rode that way, and got attacked by a red-winged blackbird > just south of Koppernick. Also saw a coyote. > > I'm a big advocate of reopening the section between Michigan Ave. and > Van Born. By the way, I saw someone write that the trail ends at the > dump at Van Born. It doesn't end there. You just have to go under > 275 and pick it up on the west side of the highway. > > I look forward to hearing from the rest of you! > > Dean Johnson

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#37 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:05 am
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Welcome from me, too! I posted the original I-275 map on the MMBA.org photos website. It shows exactly where the trail goes back and forth. I, too, believe the south end holds much promise. But, Ford Road to Michigan Ave will take a LOT of money to fix. In the meantime, I use the dirt road 1/4 mile to the east (just watch out for the killer Chihuahua's on it! ;-) )

sue

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Welcome! --- In I275bikepath@yahoogroups.com, "Dean Johnson" <deanlpbc@s...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm a new member of the I-275 yahoo group, and I wanted to introduce > myself. My name is Dean Johnson, and I live in the far southeast > corner of Plymouth Township, near Joy and Eckles. I both run and > ride my mountain bike on the trail, and I usually get on at the little > opening in the Crossings of Canton apartment complex. I almost > always ride south into the remote section of the path. Just this > morning I rode that way, and got attacked by a red-winged blackbird > just south of Koppernick. Also saw a coyote. > > I'm a big advocate of reopening the section between Michigan Ave. and > Van Born. By the way, I saw someone write that the trail ends at the > dump at Van Born. It doesn't end there. You just have to go under > 275 and pick it up on the west side of the highway. > > I look forward to hearing from the rest of you! > > Dean Johnson

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#35 From: "Dean Johnson" <deanlpbc@...>
Date: Tue Jun 7, 2005 5:54 pm
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Hi Everyone,

I'm a new member of the I-275 yahoo group, and I wanted to introduce
myself.  My name is Dean Johnson, and I live in the far southeast
corner of Plymouth Township, near Joy and Eckles.  I both run and
ride my mountain bike on the trail, and I usually get on at the little
opening in the Crossings of Canton apartment complex.  I almost
always ride south into the remote section of the path.  Just this
morning I rode that way, and got attacked by a red-winged blackbird
just south of Koppernick.  Also saw a coyote.

I'm a big advocate of reopening the section between Michigan Ave. and
Van Born.  By the way, I saw someone write that the trail ends at the
dump at Van Born.  It doesn't end there.  You just have to go under
275 and pick it up on the west side of the highway.

I look forward to hearing from the rest of you!

Dean Johnson

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#34 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Tue Jun 7, 2005 2:08 am
Subject: Re: Mich. Trails & Greenways Legislative Day sumoe_99
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Not attending.

sue

--- capops2 <capops2@...> wrote:

> ****URGENT*****
>
> Folks!
>
> Nancy's Rails to Trails Conservancy (or
> whatever the new name is
> now), is hosting a legislative day this Wed. in
> Lansing.
>
> I'm definitely going to help out and meet with
> several
> senators/legislators about I-275, is anyone
> else intersted in going
> with me?  I'll be leaving pretty early 'cause I
> want to be there to
> help with the set up at 8 am.  It will last all
> day, one of my
> meetings with a Senator is at 4:30.
>
> Please let me know ASAP so we can coordinate.
>
> Thanks much!
>
> Dave D.
> Friends of I-275 &
> League of Mich. Bicyclists
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>
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#33 From: "capops2" <capops2@...>
Date: Mon Jun 6, 2005 6:59 pm
Subject: Mich. Trails & Greenways Legislative Day capops2
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****URGENT*****

Folks!

Nancy's Rails to Trails Conservancy (or whatever the new name is
now), is hosting a legislative day this Wed. in Lansing.

I'm definitely going to help out and meet with several
senators/legislators about I-275, is anyone else intersted in going
with me?  I'll be leaving pretty early 'cause I want to be there to
help with the set up at 8 am.  It will last all day, one of my
meetings with a Senator is at 4:30.

Please let me know ASAP so we can coordinate.

Thanks much!

Dave D.
Friends of I-275 &
League of Mich. Bicyclists

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#32 From: "Todd Scott" <tscott@...>
Date: Thu Jun 2, 2005 6:24 pm
Subject: RE: Northward Expansion fishtoes2000
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A northern extension of the trail is now an "under study" trail in Oakland
County's Trails Master Plan.  Since it would likely be within the M-5
(MDOT's) right-of-way, I don't expect much movement on this until MDOT
completes their non-motorized master plan for the county.  Right now they're
working on St. Clair county's plan.

Todd Scott
Executive Director, Michigan Mountain Biking Association
execdir@...� www.mmba.org� (248) 288-3753
"Building America's Best Trails... in Michigan"


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Is there any talk of north/westward expansion of the I275 trail down I-
96 west toward Novi/Wixom?  It seems like a pretty uneventful end to
the trail at 11/Meadowbrook.  Any thoughts?  Has anyone ridden lately?
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#31 From: "bheldke" <bheldke@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 5:06 pm
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what time?

--- In I275bikepath@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Duffield" <capops2@a...>
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> Friends,
>
> I just spoke to Oakland County and they gave us Sunday, July 10th,
as the day they'll send a crew out.  Obviously, more hands make light
work so, the more the merrier.  I have tools for this crew to use
that were donated by the N'ville Home Depot so, please bring your own
with you if you have 'em.  They'll contact me a week or so before to
work out the specific details when the date draws closer.
>
> If any of you have ridden the trail lately, what is the condition
of the trial just S. of 9 Mile Rd.?  That's the section we left off
at last time.  I need to fix the flats on my MTB and ride it myself
to see what it's condition is.  If any of you know any other spots in
Oakland County on this trail or, even another, that need tree
trimming/weed clearing work, let me know 'cause I'm not sure if we
can keep this crew busy all day with just what we left from last year.
>
> Tools to bring along would include;
>
> sickles or gas powered weed whackers
> metal tined leaf rakes
> pruning shears
>     "      saws
> gardening or work gloves
> step ladder for the high overhanging growth
>
> Also remember to bring water for yourselves and maybe a snack or
power bar or something to keep up your energy.  Long work shirts and
long pants are recommended to minimize the scratching when handling
all the material we cut down.
>
> Thanks and see ya then, if not before hand.
>
> Dave Duffield
> Director at Large
> League of Michigan Bicyclists
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Adrienne Vrooman
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>   Subject: Re: [I275bikepath] Northward Expansion
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>   I haven't heard much since the last meeting. I have told a few
friends
>   about it, not much is happening though.
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>   -Adrienne
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#30 From: "Dave Duffield" <capops2@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 3:16 pm
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Friends,

I just spoke to Oakland County and they gave us Sunday, July 10th, as the day they'll send a crew out. Obviously, more hands make light work so, the more the merrier. I have tools for this crew to use that were donated by the N'ville Home Depot so, please bring your own with you if you have 'em. They'll contact me a week or so before to work out the specific details when the date draws closer.

If any of you have ridden the trail lately, what is the condition of the trial just S. of 9 Mile Rd.? That's the section we left off at last time. I need to fix the flats on my MTB and ride it myself to see what it's condition is. If any of you know any other spots in Oakland County on this trail or, even another, that need tree trimming/weed clearing work, let me know 'cause I'm not sure if we can keep this crew busy all day with just what we left from last year.

Tools to bring along would include;

sickles or gas powered weed whackers

metal tined leaf rakes

pruning shears

" saws

gardening or work gloves

step ladder for the high overhanging growth

Also remember to bring water for yourselves and maybe a snack or power bar or something to keep up your energy. Long work shirts and long pants are recommended to minimize the scratching when handling all the material we cut down.

Thanks and see ya then, if not before hand.

Dave Duffield
Director at Large
League of Michigan Bicyclists

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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:04 AM

Subject: Re: [I275bikepath] Northward Expansion

I haven't heard much since the last meeting. I have told a few friends about it, not much is happening though. -Adrienne On Tue, 31 May 2005 13:12:41 +0000, you wrote: ><html><body> > > ><tt> >Is there any talk of north/westward expansion of the I275 trail down I- >96 west toward Novi/Wixom?  It seems like a pretty uneventful end to >the trail at 11/Meadowbrook.  Any thoughts?  Has anyone ridden lately?  >Keep promoting this board--we need more to join. > > > > ></tt> > > > > > > > ><tt><hr width="500"> >Yahoo! Groups Links ><ul> ><li>To visit your group on the web, go to: <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/I275bikepath/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/I275bikepath/</a>   ><li>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: <a href="mailto:I275bikepath-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe">I275bikepath-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</a>   ><li>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <a href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">Yahoo! Terms of Service</a>. ></ul> ></tt> > > > > > ></body></html> >

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#29 From: "Dave Duffield" <capops2@...>
Date: Tue May 31, 2005 2:57 pm
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Yes, there is talk of this. Greg Johnson, Regional Engineer for our area and our connection with MDOT, has mentioned that he'd like to connect to the Huron-Clinton Trail some day. There is also talk of continuing up M-5 although, I'm not sure of the details of such a connection, it'd probably have to go under the freeways.

I'm working on trying to get the next clean up day on the path scheduled with Oakland County. I'll let you know what date they give us. There was a little left to do in Oakland County from last year and then we can start working with Wayne County on the southern part.

Dave Duffield
Director at Large
League of Michigan Bicyclists

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I haven't heard much since the last meeting. I have told a few friends about it, not much is happening though. -Adrienne On Tue, 31 May 2005 13:12:41 +0000, you wrote: ><html><body> > > ><tt> >Is there any talk of north/westward expansion of the I275 trail down I- >96 west toward Novi/Wixom?  It seems like a pretty uneventful end to >the trail at 11/Meadowbrook.  Any thoughts?  Has anyone ridden lately?  >Keep promoting this board--we need more to join. > > > > ></tt> > > > > > > > ><tt><hr width="500"> >Yahoo! Groups Links ><ul> ><li>To visit your group on the web, go to: <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/I275bikepath/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/I275bikepath/</a>   ><li>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: <a href="mailto:I275bikepath-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe">I275bikepath-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</a>   ><li>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <a href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">Yahoo! Terms of Service</a>. ></ul> ></tt> > > > > > ></body></html> >

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#28 From: Adrienne Vrooman <adrienne@...>
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I haven't heard much since the last meeting. I have told a few friends
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-Adrienne
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#27 From: "bheldke" <bheldke@...>
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Is there any talk of north/westward expansion of the I275 trail down I-
96 west toward Novi/Wixom?  It seems like a pretty uneventful end to
the trail at 11/Meadowbrook.  Any thoughts?  Has anyone ridden lately?
Keep promoting this board--we need more to join.

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#26 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Fri May 27, 2005 2:03 am
Subject: Michigan Land Use Institute: Making Smart Growth a Reality In Michigan sumoe_99
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#25 From: "bheldke" <bheldke@...>
Date: Tue May 24, 2005 7:07 pm
Subject: Re: Weed Control on Path bheldke
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sounds to me like the pavement was laid over clay or some other
unprepared material.  Road construction to do it right requires lots
of sand and gravel before laying the final surface.  I've even seen
the black weed barrier laid down before the concrete is poured.

I would work on the maintenance plan--try to stay away from
herbicides if we can.  Maybe in sections we can rebuild the trail the
correct way to keep weeds from growing.

The rail trail folks should have some suggestions.  Maybe we can ask
them.

Is there a plan to get the trail routed around the dump?

--- In I275bikepath@yahoogroups.com, "jprice16x" <jprice16x@y...>
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> Yesterday I rode the pathway from Ann Arbor Road until it dead-
ended
> into the trash hill.  There is a lot of work to be done!  The worst
> spot was probably the bridge that had several holes in it and very
> few railings about 1.75 miles into the ride.
>
> But, the issue that a noticed that could be even more expensive and
> time-consuming, are the weeds along the path.  In my NON-
> professional opinion, the weeds that are taking over the path are
> called phragmites.  Phragmites are considered highly invasive, VERY
> difficult to control, and almost impossible to eradicate.  There
are
> several methods of trying to control them, but the more successful
> ones use a herbicide which can be expensive and raise environmental
> concerns.
>
> Perhaps MDOT has some ideas or success in dealing with these
plants,
> but the people I spoken with at Ford Land have not had much luck.
I
> think this is an issue that should to be addressed (how to clear
> them now and a maintenance plan for the future) before money is
> spent on the path itself.
>
> Please add this to an Issues List for some further research &
> discussion.

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#22 From: "jprice16x" <jprice16x@...>
Date: Tue May 24, 2005 12:21 am
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Yesterday I rode the pathway from Ann Arbor Road until it dead-ended
into the trash hill.  There is a lot of work to be done!  The worst
spot was probably the bridge that had several holes in it and very
few railings about 1.75 miles into the ride.

But, the issue that a noticed that could be even more expensive and
time-consuming, are the weeds along the path.  In my NON-
professional opinion, the weeds that are taking over the path are
called phragmites.  Phragmites are considered highly invasive, VERY
difficult to control, and almost impossible to eradicate.  There are
several methods of trying to control them, but the more successful
ones use a herbicide which can be expensive and raise environmental
concerns.

Perhaps MDOT has some ideas or success in dealing with these plants,
but the people I spoken with at Ford Land have not had much luck.  I
think this is an issue that should to be addressed (how to clear
them now and a maintenance plan for the future) before money is
spent on the path itself.

Please add this to an Issues List for some further research &
discussion.

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#21 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Sat May 21, 2005 9:34 pm
Subject: Fw: LMB Board: Memorial Bike Parade for Lucinda Posted to web sumoe_99
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Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:21 PM

Subject: LMB Board: Memorial Bike Parade for Lucinda Posted to web

John Lindenmayer writes:

>Thank you to all who helped the LMB Board & Staff pay tribute to Lucinda
>Means last Thursday. The bike parade was a huge success. Similarly the
>tribute at the State Capitol and the event at the Creole Gallery went
>extremely well.
>
>Visit: http://www.lmb.org/ljm2005/index.htm to view photos from the events.
>
>Best Wishes
>
>John Lindenmayer
>Programs Assistant
>League of Michigan Bicyclists
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#18 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Fri May 20, 2005 2:20 am
Subject: Fw: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails sumoe_99
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I have been following this on the trails-and-greenways group. How are the cleanups/maintenance funded? Local government, county, state, trail organization? How is this scheduled? We have a 32 mile trail, multi-jurisdicitional trail, to maintain.

Thanks in advance,

sue moretto

Redford Twp., Michigan

Friends of I-275 Trail

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To: sumoe_99@...

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:26 PM

Subject: FW: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails

FYI

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From: Schneider, Jim [mailto:JSchneider@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:18 AM
To: 'Rick Manning'
Subject: RE: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails

Rick,
In Greene County, Ohio, we clean our trails every week with a broom or
blower. This helps keep debris from building up along the edge. Every year
or two we actually use an edger to cut the edge of the asphalt to prevent
root encroachment. Prior to paving we treat the aggregate base with a soil
sterilant. This keeps weeds from growing up under the surface for many
years. To keep our pavement in good condition and to extend its life we have
all of our trails on a 5 year rotation for treatment with GSB88 sealer. This
product made by Asphalt Systems contains gilsonite which restores oils to
the upper surface and fills minor voids with a black silica sand. This also
prevents the surface from being slick when wet. It makes it look like you
repaved and usually dries within an hour of application which means you
don't have to close your trail for long periods. I wouldn't waste my money
on any of the standard driveway products.
Jim Schneider

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Manning [mailto:rmannin4@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:20 PM
To: trailsandgreenways@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails

I am wondering if any of you could share how you maintain the surface and
edges of asphalt trails to prevent grass and soil/debris from creeping into
the trail surface from the edge and effectively narrowing the trail over
time. Currently we have a two mile loop in a park that is maintained by one
very energetic 80 year old volunteer (see below), with help from volunteer
organizations and me. He uses a Husquvarna power tool with a edger (metal
blades) attachment and a weed whipper attachment to keep the trail edged.
As we extend the trail, and he shows signs of wear and tear (no sign yet!)
we will need to get the appropriate tools and tractor attachments. We also
blow the trail with hand, gas-powered leaf blowers. If any of you have a
list of essential equipment and any written guidelines and maintenance
procedures you could share, I would greatly appreciate it.

One other question. Our trail surface is 2 years old. I occasionally
wonder if we should try to seal the surface to enhance its longevity. I
have read conflicting opinions on the benefits of sealing asphalt surfaces.
If it was effective, I am also concerned about runoff since so much of our
trail is adjacent to Cayuga Lake and Inlet. I imagine there would be a
trade off between preserving the existing surface (putting off resurfacing
for a certain length of time) and applying a petro-based sealer with
associated possible runoff.

Thanks in advance for your advice and assistance.

Rick Manning
www.cayugawaterfronttrail.com

-------------------
Rick Manning, ASLA
Northeast Greenways
114 Dey Street
Ithaca, NY 14850
607-592-4647
607-277-0178 (fax)
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#17 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Thu May 19, 2005 2:20 am
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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:06 PM

Subject: FW: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails

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From: Donnie.Underwood@...
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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:36 PM
To: Rick Manning
Subject: Re: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails

for what its worth...here in the southeast, unless asphalt cracks, we
really don't coat or seal so that the asphalt can "breath". You are also
correct regarding stormwater sheet flow...if you have a way which to
contain and slowly filter the runoff off of the low side...no problem.
Without going to elaborate edge protection systems...we haven't found a
better solution yet other than providing a 2' aggregate shoulder consisting
of a full-depth section to include VDoT standard 6" of 21-A compacted to
95%...this is what we call wet, pug-mil. Then we have a atv with a spray
applicator and 4 times annually whe have a jet nozzle set-up for herbicide
applications in the aggregate.....

If you find something better....keep us in mind

good luck

Donnie Underwood
Parks & Greenways Planner
Roanoke Parks & Recreation
210 Reserve Ave., SW
Roanoke, VA 24016
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I am wondering if any of you could share how you maintain the surface and
edges of asphalt trails to prevent grass and soil/debris from creeping into
the trail surface from the edge and effectively narrowing the trail over
time. Currently we have a two mile loop in a park that is maintained by
one
very energetic 80 year old volunteer (see below), with help from volunteer
organizations and me. He uses a Husquvarna power tool with a edger (metal
blades) attachment and a weed whipper attachment to keep the trail edged.
As we extend the trail, and he shows signs of wear and tear (no sign yet!)
we will need to get the appropriate tools and tractor attachments. We also
blow the trail with hand, gas-powered leaf blowers. If any of you have a
list of essential equipment and any written guidelines and maintenance
procedures you could share, I would greatly appreciate it.

One other question. Our trail surface is 2 years old. I occasionally
wonder if we should try to seal the surface to enhance its longevity. I
have read conflicting opinions on the benefits of sealing asphalt surfaces.
If it was effective, I am also concerned about runoff since so much of our
trail is adjacent to Cayuga Lake and Inlet. I imagine there would be a
trade off between preserving the existing surface (putting off resurfacing
for a certain length of time) and applying a petro-based sealer with
associated possible runoff.

Thanks in advance for your advice and assistance.

Rick Manning
www.cayugawaterfronttrail.com

-------------------
Rick Manning, ASLA
Northeast Greenways
114 Dey Street
Ithaca, NY 14850
607-592-4647
607-277-0178 (fax)
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#16 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Wed May 18, 2005 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails sumoe_99
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Rick, if you receive any direct replies, could you share them with me? I'm working on a similar project with similar surface.

sue moretto

Redford Twp., MI

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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:20 PM

Subject: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails

I am wondering if any of you could share how you maintain the surface and edges of asphalt trails to prevent grass and soil/debris from creeping into the trail surface from the edge and effectively narrowing the trail over time. Currently we have a two mile loop in a park that is maintained by one very energetic 80 year old volunteer (see below), with help from volunteer organizations and me. He uses a Husquvarna power tool with a edger (metal blades) attachment and a weed whipper attachment to keep the trail edged. As we extend the trail, and he shows signs of wear and tear (no sign yet!) we will need to get the appropriate tools and tractor attachments. We also blow the trail with hand, gas-powered leaf blowers. If any of you have a list of essential equipment and any written guidelines and maintenance procedures you could share, I would greatly appreciate it. One other question. Our trail surface is 2 years old. I occasionally wonder if we should try to seal the surface to enhance its longevity. I have read conflicting opinions on the benefits of sealing asphalt surfaces. If it was effective, I am also concerned about runoff since so much of our trail is adjacent to Cayuga Lake and Inlet. I imagine there would be a trade off between preserving the existing surface (putting off resurfacing for a certain length of time) and applying a petro-based sealer with associated possible runoff. Thanks in advance for your advice and assistance. Rick Manning www.cayugawaterfronttrail.com ------------------- Rick Manning, ASLA Northeast Greenways 114 Dey Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607-592-4647 607-277-0178 (fax) rmannin4@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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#15 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Wed May 18, 2005 9:54 pm
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This is a very good group to learn from.

sue

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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:20 PM

Subject: [trails-and-greenways] Maintenance of Asphalt Trails

I am wondering if any of you could share how you maintain the surface and edges of asphalt trails to prevent grass and soil/debris from creeping into the trail surface from the edge and effectively narrowing the trail over time. Currently we have a two mile loop in a park that is maintained by one very energetic 80 year old volunteer (see below), with help from volunteer organizations and me. He uses a Husquvarna power tool with a edger (metal blades) attachment and a weed whipper attachment to keep the trail edged. As we extend the trail, and he shows signs of wear and tear (no sign yet!) we will need to get the appropriate tools and tractor attachments. We also blow the trail with hand, gas-powered leaf blowers. If any of you have a list of essential equipment and any written guidelines and maintenance procedures you could share, I would greatly appreciate it. One other question. Our trail surface is 2 years old. I occasionally wonder if we should try to seal the surface to enhance its longevity. I have read conflicting opinions on the benefits of sealing asphalt surfaces. If it was effective, I am also concerned about runoff since so much of our trail is adjacent to Cayuga Lake and Inlet. I imagine there would be a trade off between preserving the existing surface (putting off resurfacing for a certain length of time) and applying a petro-based sealer with associated possible runoff. Thanks in advance for your advice and assistance. Rick Manning www.cayugawaterfronttrail.com ------------------- Rick Manning, ASLA Northeast Greenways 114 Dey Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607-592-4647 607-277-0178 (fax) rmannin4@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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#13 From: "Sue M." <sumoe_99@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2005 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: Rode from 11/Meadowbrook to Ann Arbor Road sumoe_99
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Bart, please post when you are going. I know the way, and may have a few ideas. I think others would like to join, as well.

sue

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Subject: [I275bikepath] Rode from 11/Meadowbrook to Ann Arbor Road

Brian and I rode the northern portion this weekend--approximately 12 miles from 11/Meadowbrook to Ann Arbor Road. It's in pretty good shape for mountain bikes. We noted where we could clear a little brush (but you can easily ride around it now) put a few stop signs, do some pothole filling, etc. My next ride will be from Ann Arbor Road as far as it's safe to go southbound. There's a sign at the trailhead at 11/Meadowbrook that is down, but all that really needs to be done is to remove the sign off the post and put on the backside of the signpost already there. I'll try to take care of it this weekend. I think one of the goals we have is to recreate a readable sign we can either post along the trail or include in a small map, in boxes on signposts--these could be like realtor information posted on realty signs. A future goal would be to get businesses/restaurants along the way to sponsor ads, coupons, etc. to pay for the maps. At present, I would do what Dave did with the meeting notice and laminate a map and tie-wrap it to the signposts along the trail.

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#11 From: "bheldke" <bheldke@...>
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Clear shot!

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> I am totally interested. Do I have a clean shot at it? Or is going
to
> need some maneuvering? Let me know when you get the chance. Take
care.
> -Dren
>
> On Mon, 16 May 2005 09:27:55 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
> >I have a photography project for you.  I think an appropriate
photo to represent the trail would be the charming little bicycle art
in the back yard of a home in Livonia--it's red-reddish orange and
it's made from sheet metal--has a basket where the owner puts flowers
and it's pointed at and very near the trail.  To find it,I would park
at the corner of Ann Arbor Road and I275 and go north about a mile,
and it's on your right.  It actually would be more visible if you
were going southbound from the tril (maybe get on at Hines Dr.)
Just an idea. Let me know you're interested in the project.
Otherwise the next time I go I'll take my camera.
> >
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> >Adrienne Vrooman <adrienne@t...> wrote:
> >Glad you have some information about the condition of the trail in
> >that area. I like the idea of contacting area businesses for help
with
> >the maps. I had thought about calling a few businesses when we
hold a
> >big ride to see if they would "donate" anything for the riders. Is
> >that allowed? Just a thought. Thank you for your time on the
trail.
> >
> >-Dren
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> >On Mon, 16 May 2005 13:09:17 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >><html><body>
> >>
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> >>Brian and I rode the northern portion this weekend--approximately
12 <BR>
> >>miles from 11/Meadowbrook to Ann Arbor Road.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's in
pretty good <BR>
> >>shape for mountain bikes.&nbsp; We noted where we could clear a
little <BR>
> >>brush (but you can easily ride around it now) put a few stop
signs, <BR>
> >>do some pothole filling, etc.&nbsp; My next ride will be from Ann
Arbor <BR>
> >>Road as far as it's safe to go southbound.&nbsp; <BR>
> >><BR>
> >>There's a sign at the trailhead at 11/Meadowbrook that is down,
but <BR>
> >>all that really needs to be done is to remove the sign off the
post <BR>
> >>and put on the backside of the signpost already there.&nbsp; I'll
try to <BR>
> >>take care of it this weekend.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >>I think one of the goals we have is to recreate a readable sign
we <BR>
> >>can either post along the trail or include in a small map, in
boxes <BR>
> >>on signposts--these could be like realtor information posted on
<BR>
> >>realty signs.&nbsp; A future goal would be to get
businesses/restaurants <BR>
> >>along the way to sponsor ads, coupons, etc. to pay for the
maps.&nbsp; At <BR>
> >>present, I would do what Dave did with the meeting notice and <BR>
> >>laminate a map and tie-wrap it to the signposts along the trail.
<BR>
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#10 From: Adrienne Vrooman <adrienne@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2005 5:25 pm
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I am totally interested. Do I have a clean shot at it? Or is going to
need some maneuvering? Let me know when you get the chance. Take care.
-Dren

On Mon, 16 May 2005 09:27:55 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>I have a photography project for you.  I think an appropriate photo to
represent the trail would be the charming little bicycle art in the back yard of
a home in Livonia--it's red-reddish orange and it's made from sheet metal--has a
basket where the owner puts flowers and it's pointed at and very near the trail.
To find it,I would park at the corner of Ann Arbor Road and I275 and go north
about a mile, and it's on your right.  It actually would be more visible if you
were going southbound from the tril (maybe get on at Hines Dr.)   Just an idea.
Let me know you're interested in the project.  Otherwise the next time I go I'll
take my camera.
>
>
>Adrienne Vrooman <adrienne@...> wrote:
>Glad you have some information about the condition of the trail in
>that area. I like the idea of contacting area businesses for help with
>the maps. I had thought about calling a few businesses when we hold a
>big ride to see if they would "donate" anything for the riders. Is
>that allowed? Just a thought. Thank you for your time on the trail.
>
>-Dren
>
>On Mon, 16 May 2005 13:09:17 +0000, you wrote:
>
>><html><body>
>>
>>
>><tt>
>>Brian and I rode the northern portion this weekend--approximately 12 <BR>
>>miles from 11/Meadowbrook to Ann Arbor Road.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's in pretty good
<BR>
>>shape for mountain bikes.&nbsp; We noted where we could clear a little <BR>
>>brush (but you can easily ride around it now) put a few stop signs, <BR>
>>do some pothole filling, etc.&nbsp; My next ride will be from Ann Arbor <BR>
>>Road as far as it's safe to go southbound.&nbsp; <BR>
>><BR>
>>There's a sign at the trailhead at 11/Meadowbrook that is down, but <BR>
>>all that really needs to be done is to remove the sign off the post <BR>
>>and put on the backside of the signpost already there.&nbsp; I'll try to <BR>
>>take care of it this weekend.<BR>
>><BR>
>>I think one of the goals we have is to recreate a readable sign we <BR>
>>can either post along the trail or include in a small map, in boxes <BR>
>>on signposts--these could be like realtor information posted on <BR>
>>realty signs.&nbsp; A future goal would be to get businesses/restaurants <BR>
>>along the way to sponsor ads, coupons, etc. to pay for the maps.&nbsp; At <BR>
>>present, I would do what Dave did with the meeting notice and <BR>
>>laminate a map and tie-wrap it to the signposts along the trail. <BR>
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#9 From: Bart Heldke <bheldke@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2005 4:27 pm
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I have a photography project for you. I think an appropriate photo to represent the trail would be the charming little bicycle art in the back yard of a home in Livonia--it's red-reddish orange and it's made from sheet metal--has a basket where the owner puts flowers and it's pointed at and very near the trail. To find it,I would park at the corner of Ann Arbor Road and I275 and go north about a mile, and it's on your right. It actually would be more visible if you were going southbound from the tril (maybe get on at Hines Dr.) Just an idea. Let me know you're interested in the project. Otherwise the next time I go I'll take my camera.

Adrienne Vrooman <adrienne@...> wrote:

Glad you have some information about the condition of the trail in that area. I like the idea of contacting area businesses for help with the maps. I had thought about calling a few businesses when we hold a big ride to see if they would "donate" anything for the riders. Is that allowed? Just a thought. Thank you for your time on the trail. -Dren On Mon, 16 May 2005 13:09:17 +0000, you wrote: ><html><body> > > ><tt> >Brian and I rode the northern portion this weekend--approximately 12 >miles from 11/Meadowbrook to Ann Arbor Road.   It's in pretty good >shape for mountain bikes.  We noted where we could clear a little >brush (but you can easily ride around it now) put a few stop signs, >do some pothole filling, etc.  My next ride will be from Ann Arbor >Road as far as it's safe to go southbound.  > >There's a sign at the trailhead at 11/Meadowbrook that is down, but >all that really needs to be done is to remove the sign off the post >and put on the backside of the signpost already there.  I'll try to >take care of it this weekend. > >I think one of the goals we have is to recreate a readable sign we >can either post along the trail or include in a small map, in boxes >on signposts--these could be like realtor information posted on >realty signs.  A future goal would be to get businesses/restaurants >along the way to sponsor ads, coupons, etc. to pay for the maps.  At >present, I would do what Dave did with the meeting notice and >laminate a map and tie-wrap it to the signposts along the trail. > > > > > ></tt> > > > > > > > ><tt><hr width="500"> >Yahoo! Groups Links ><ul> ><li>To visit your group on the web, go to: <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/I275bikepath/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/I275bikepath/</a>   ><li>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: <a href="mailto:I275bikepath-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe">I275bikepath-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</a>   ><li>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <a href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">Yahoo! Terms of Service</a>. ></ul> ></tt> > > > > > ></body></html> >

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#8 From: Adrienne Vrooman <adrienne@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2005 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: Rode from 11/Meadowbrook to Ann Arbor Road soulsrchin
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Glad you have some information about the condition of the trail in
that area. I like the idea of contacting area businesses for help with
the maps. I had thought about calling a few businesses when we hold a
big ride to see if they would "donate" anything for the riders. Is
that allowed? Just a thought. Thank you for your time on the trail.

-Dren

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>brush (but you can easily ride around it now) put a few stop signs, <BR>
>do some pothole filling, etc.&nbsp; My next ride will be from Ann Arbor <BR>
>Road as far as it's safe to go southbound.&nbsp; <BR>
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>There's a sign at the trailhead at 11/Meadowbrook that is down, but <BR>
>all that really needs to be done is to remove the sign off the post <BR>
>and put on the backside of the signpost already there.&nbsp; I'll try to <BR>
>take care of it this weekend.<BR>
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>I think one of the goals we have is to recreate a readable sign we <BR>
>can either post along the trail or include in a small map, in boxes <BR>
>on signposts--these could be like realtor information posted on <BR>
>realty signs.&nbsp; A future goal would be to get businesses/restaurants <BR>
>along the way to sponsor ads, coupons, etc. to pay for the maps.&nbsp; At <BR>
>present, I would do what Dave did with the meeting notice and <BR>
>laminate a map and tie-wrap it to the signposts along the trail. <BR>
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#7 From: "bheldke" <bheldke@...>
Date: Mon May 16, 2005 2:38 pm
Subject: How to access from Hines Drive bheldke
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To describe the detail of accessing the trail from hines Drive.

South and Eastbound Hines Drive (traveling toward Dearborn):  Major
cross street is Haggerty.  Traveling eastbound, look for the double
overpass which is I275.  Travel underneath the two overpasses and there
is a gravel road to your right.  Travel up this road, past some
boulders at the end of the parking area and take a right at the trail
in the woods. This will bring you up a small hill and along a sound
barrier wall.

North and Westbound.  Major cross street is Newburgh.  Travel
approximately a mile past Newburgh and you'll see a set of double
overpasses.  take a left on the gravel road just before the first
overpass and then follow the instructions above.

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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
I275bikepath group:

What type of bike/other transportation to you ride on the
I275 bikepath?

   o Road Racing (700c by 25 and smaller tires)
   o Sport Touring (700 by 30, 27" by 1 1/2")
   o Hybrid bike (flat handlebar, higher gearing)
   o Mountain bike (all suspension types)
   o Comfort (single-three speeds)
   o Commuter (designed for commuting)
   o Recumbent bike (all types)
   o Trike, Four-wheeled HPV
   o Rollerblades
   o walking (with or without pets)
   o X=country ski trainers
   o jogger, jogging strollers, etc.
   o Other


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Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
I275bikepath group:

Where do you access the I-275 Trail?

   o Novi--11/Meadowbrook (northern End
   o Major Crossroads 8/7/6 Mile
   o Hines Dr.
   o Ann ArborRd /Ford Rd/Michigan Ave
   o Between Michigan/I-94
   o Between I-94/Lower Huron Metropark
   o Metroparks-Lower Huron, WIllow, Oakwoods
   o Carleton, Monroe County
   o Sterling St. Park, Monroe (southern end)


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#1 From: "bheldke" <bheldke@...>
Date: Fri May 13, 2005 7:40 pm
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Typical messages to post here:

*questions, comments about riding the trail
*information on helping the trail
*contacts for further information
*websites or information of interest
*ideas on renovation, expansion, fund raising
*maintenance issues

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