Greetings Ayllyth,

Did you used to bring Sion to events? I remember meeting an older
greyhound twice that belonged to a gentleman, and the dog never left his
side. Very quiet and intense (the greyhound) and seemingly so devoted to hi=
s
dad... I wonder if that was Sion? If so, I feel very honored to have known =
him
(ever so briefly) and been able to give him a few pets.

What a wonderful story -- Liam is so lucky to have found a family that
understands him so well, and will adapt their way of doing things to
accomodate his needs, instead of try to force him to fit in. And Boudica --=
  she
is most lucky isn't she?? Or maybe you two are most lucky -- I can't decide=

who is more lucky to have found the other :)  She sounds absolutely delight=
ful,
and I can't wait to meet her. Liam too, if he'll tolerate meeting a strange=
r. And I
wish Boudica a very speedy recovery from her surgery.

As far as helping out -- you're hired!! Maybe the best place to start would=
  be to
let us know what the park situation is in Calafia. Do you know of any good =

sites that are already allowing coursing or racing activities (specifically=
, that
allow dogs to be off leash for the short time needed to course). I know you=
  are
on the Caid list, and have seen a lot of the posts that have been going bac=
k
and forth regarding coursing... there is already a bit of resistance to the=
  idea of
A) dogs being off leash and B) the noise of the motor. So I'm thinking it m=
ight
be helpful for us as a group to have a few coursing get-togethers on our ow=
n
first. It will give us a chance to work out the details of locating a safe =
site,
negotiating with a site, setting up properly, running the equipment safely,=

getting the dogs acclamated, making sure we have control over the dogs and =

have a plan to catch them if they lose interest in the lure and observe the=

amount of noise the motor makes, and how far it carries. That way we will b=
e
better organized and prepared to make appearances at events.

What do you think?? What does everyone else think??

:) Christiaen

--- In Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com, Ayllyth a'Píobaire <aellath@e...>
wrote:
> My Lord and i have been hoping coursing would start in Caid. We have
neither the
> longevity in the SCA nor (especially) the clout to start it ourselves.
>
> Our house is House Argent Greyhound -- for obvious reasons; when we
joined, my Lord's
> service companion was a retired red brindle racer. Not exactly argent, bu=
t . .
.
>
> He died two years ago at 14 (of cancer of the stomach lining); when we
informed
> Greyhound Adoption Centre here of it (we had adopted him from them when
they were
> still GPA), Darren mentioned that they had just rescued two pups from an =

AKC breeder,
> and he thought we could handle raising one -- oh, and he had an adult in =

mind as a good
> service-replacement for Sional.
>
> Wwhoooo, boy. The instant they put that blue 4-month-old into my Lord's
arms, he was
> smitten. All skeleton and swollen joints due to malnutrition and neglect,=
  she
was a fighter
> despite it all. She played clumsily for a while, burrowed up his shorts (=
much
to his
> embarrassment and to the amusement of me and an elderly lady
volunteering there!), then
> fell asleep in his lap. Apparently even at that, she was 100% better than=
  a
month earlier
> when they first got her - she couldn't use one of her back legs at all, a=
nd got
round by
> using the other leg to kick it forward. GAC was the last-resort stop for =
these
two pups; the
> other four were strong enough to be placed by the rescuer, but these two =

needed expert
> intervention. They had been so malnourished that their bodies were using =

their large
> bones up to get nutrients. No-one knows why this happened.
>
> Well, that same day we met a red fawn boy, just 2 years old, with a huge =
x-
shaped scar on
> his side. He had a sheriff-personality (neither dominant nor submissive, =
but
ignoring all
> that), was cat-friendly, and strong. He'd been there four months, because=

no-one wanted
> to adopt him with that scar. He handled very easily -- quite important fo=
r
service-work --
> and responded well to voice.
>
> So we adopted him, and agreed to take the pup. She stayed a week longer
there, but he
> came home that day. We still hurt from losing Sion; we'd adopted him a
decade earlier,
> and he and my Lord had a closer relationship than many dog-person
bonds. But Liam
> Mierg mac Sion helped. He is a very different personality than Sion.
>
> No-one knows why Liam didn't make the cut for the track. Having spoken to=

trainers, it
> could be that he couldn't deal with the crowded kennel life -- he's a ver=
y
private dog and
> doesn't like crowds, people or dogs, and is very sensitive about his pers=
onal
space -- or it
> could have been fiat: too many dogs to train, randomly remove some. His
maintenance
> weight seems to be about 80lbs; he's a jock-style dog, but very, very fas=
t on
the course.
> Recently we got to let him have some 'fun runs' and even on his third run=
  of
his second
> day, he was blowing dust into the faces of the year-old Borzois he was
running with (the
> course was about 650m long). He needs to be muzzled when at the park or
beach to play;
> due to the dog-bite that caused the scar on his side, he gets extremely
nervous when
> other dogs sniff round and don't go away, and he will whip round and nip =
at
them when
> they don't get the hint from his growls. He never follows up; if they go =
away,
he's done. He
> will also nip out of startlement when another dog runs into him
unexpectedly. His reflexes
> are so fast, i don't want him hurting another dog by accident! It also ke=
eps
him from
> mauling the blue bitch too much; his favourite play is to chase after her=
  and
knock her
> three feet out of the air, then maul her. He shows typical barrier behavi=
our
from kennel-
> raised dogs; the dog on the *other side* of the barrier gets chased and
barked at, but
> once he's on the same side, Liam's not interested. It's a good way to get=
  him
to really
> stretch his legs and *run*; hold him, let the dog outside the park get fa=
r
down the fence,
> then let him go. Zoom! He also loves radio-controlled cars.
>
> The blue bitch is named Boudica nic Sion -- which has taught us yet again=

to be careful
> what you name your kids. She's doing her best to live up to her name. She=
's
frighteningly
> intelligent; she can open all doors in our house, whether by pushing or
pulling; open
> cabinets and drawers; and it took her maybe five seconds to figure out ho=
w
to unzip our
> tent at war her first time. She's a klepto, but she brings back what she =
steals
as if to say,
> "aren't you proud of me?" She likes coursing, but once the lure stops, sh=
e's
looking round
> for something else interesting to do. She has no clue she can actually ju=
mp
(since she
> couldn't use her hind legs when she was learning to walk), and in normal =

circumstances
> crawls onto couches and beds. But when playing she can make impressive
bounds!
>
> In a weird quirk of fate, it's turned out that Boudica will be my Lord's =
service
companion.
> She has the personality for it; she's outgoing and enjoys travel and meet=
ing
new things.
> Liam absolutely *hates* travelling and is an introverted dog. He gets
nervous in new
> situations, whereas Boudica finds them interesting. As she matures, she's=

showing more
> empathy than you'd expect if you'd seen her as a pup.
>
> She just bloated, last week; luckily, she *un*torsed herself on the way t=
o the
ER and
> started passing gas. The ER doctor successfully got a tube down her to ve=
nt
the rest of the
> gas, and the next morning we took her to her usual doctor for a gastropex=
y
(stitching the
> stomach to the abdominal wall so it won't twist again). She's recovering =
from
that now. Her
> lines were bred a bit extreme, so she's quite tall for a bitch, and very =
thin
and arcing, and
> her keel is extremely deep.
>
> When i get my own computer back up and running (it runs, just can't see t=
he
display) i'll
> post images of them.
>
> If any assistance is ever needed for coursing in Calafia, feel free to co=
ntact
House Argent
> Greyhound (argentgreyhound@e...)!

Hello Ayllath, what type of service dog is she?  I've been interested
in Service Dogs for a long time.  When I got into the Therapy Dog
program, I was facinated to learn of all the different things that
the Service Dogs were doing.

I'm excited to get started on Coursing, although I've never done it,
my Akita cross loves to run.  In the dog park, he has outrun former
Greyhound racers before.  Should be interesting to see if he will
course though.

Have a good day, and I look forward to meeting you and your dogs.
Sue and Brock

My Lord and i have been hoping coursing would start in Caid. We have neither the
longevity in the SCA nor (especially) the clout to start it ourselves.

Our house is House Argent Greyhound -- for obvious reasons; when we joined, my
Lord's
service companion was a retired red brindle racer. Not exactly argent, but . . .

He died two years ago at 14 (of cancer of the stomach lining); when we informed
Greyhound Adoption Centre here of it (we had adopted him from them when they
were
still GPA), Darren mentioned that they had just rescued two pups from an AKC
breeder,
and he thought we could handle raising one -- oh, and he had an adult in mind as
a good
service-replacement for Sional.

Wwhoooo, boy. The instant they put that blue 4-month-old into my Lord's arms, he
was
smitten. All skeleton and swollen joints due to malnutrition and neglect, she
was a fighter
despite it all. She played clumsily for a while, burrowed up his shorts (much to
his
embarrassment and to the amusement of me and an elderly lady volunteering
there!), then
fell asleep in his lap. Apparently even at that, she was 100% better than a
month earlier
when they first got her - she couldn't use one of her back legs at all, and got
round by
using the other leg to kick it forward. GAC was the last-resort stop for these
two pups; the
other four were strong enough to be placed by the rescuer, but these two needed
expert
intervention. They had been so malnourished that their bodies were using their
large
bones up to get nutrients. No-one knows why this happened.

Well, that same day we met a red fawn boy, just 2 years old, with a huge
x-shaped scar on
his side. He had a sheriff-personality (neither dominant nor submissive, but
ignoring all
that), was cat-friendly, and strong. He'd been there four months, because no-one
wanted
to adopt him with that scar. He handled very easily -- quite important for
service-work --
and responded well to voice.

So we adopted him, and agreed to take the pup. She stayed a week longer there,
but he
came home that day. We still hurt from losing Sion; we'd adopted him a decade
earlier,
and he and my Lord had a closer relationship than many dog-person bonds. But
Liam
Mierg mac Sion helped. He is a very different personality than Sion.

No-one knows why Liam didn't make the cut for the track. Having spoken to
trainers, it
could be that he couldn't deal with the crowded kennel life -- he's a very
private dog and
doesn't like crowds, people or dogs, and is very sensitive about his personal
space -- or it
could have been fiat: too many dogs to train, randomly remove some. His
maintenance
weight seems to be about 80lbs; he's a jock-style dog, but very, very fast on
the course.
Recently we got to let him have some 'fun runs' and even on his third run of his
second
day, he was blowing dust into the faces of the year-old Borzois he was running
with (the
course was about 650m long). He needs to be muzzled when at the park or beach to
play;
due to the dog-bite that caused the scar on his side, he gets extremely nervous
when
other dogs sniff round and don't go away, and he will whip round and nip at them
when
they don't get the hint from his growls. He never follows up; if they go away,
he's done. He
will also nip out of startlement when another dog runs into him unexpectedly.
His reflexes
are so fast, i don't want him hurting another dog by accident! It also keeps him
from
mauling the blue bitch too much; his favourite play is to chase after her and
knock her
three feet out of the air, then maul her. He shows typical barrier behaviour
from kennel-
raised dogs; the dog on the *other side* of the barrier gets chased and barked
at, but
once he's on the same side, Liam's not interested. It's a good way to get him to
really
stretch his legs and *run*; hold him, let the dog outside the park get far down
the fence,
then let him go. Zoom! He also loves radio-controlled cars.

The blue bitch is named Boudica nic Sion -- which has taught us yet again to be
careful
what you name your kids. She's doing her best to live up to her name. She's
frighteningly
intelligent; she can open all doors in our house, whether by pushing or pulling;
open
cabinets and drawers; and it took her maybe five seconds to figure out how to
unzip our
tent at war her first time. She's a klepto, but she brings back what she steals
as if to say,
"aren't you proud of me?" She likes coursing, but once the lure stops, she's
looking round
for something else interesting to do. She has no clue she can actually jump
(since she
couldn't use her hind legs when she was learning to walk), and in normal
circumstances
crawls onto couches and beds. But when playing she can make impressive bounds!

In a weird quirk of fate, it's turned out that Boudica will be my Lord's service
companion.
She has the personality for it; she's outgoing and enjoys travel and meeting new
things.
Liam absolutely *hates* travelling and is an introverted dog. He gets nervous in
new
situations, whereas Boudica finds them interesting. As she matures, she's
showing more
empathy than you'd expect if you'd seen her as a pup.

She just bloated, last week; luckily, she *un*torsed herself on the way to the
ER and
started passing gas. The ER doctor successfully got a tube down her to vent the
rest of the
gas, and the next morning we took her to her usual doctor for a gastropexy
(stitching the
stomach to the abdominal wall so it won't twist again). She's recovering from
that now. Her
lines were bred a bit extreme, so she's quite tall for a bitch, and very thin
and arcing, and
her keel is extremely deep.

When i get my own computer back up and running (it runs, just can't see the
display) i'll
post images of them.

If any assistance is ever needed for coursing in Calafia, feel free to contact
House Argent
Greyhound (argentgreyhound@...)!

Thanks Christiaen, and yeah, I did do some research on the subject.
They were used for war, in fact there are some pics of dog armor in
some museums.

Rather fun to do the research, but I couldn't teach Brock to growl,
snarl or show the teeth, no matter what I tried.  He does however, do
an awesome bow these days.

We really look forward to this coursing thing.  Please keep us
updated.  Thanks, Sue and Brock.

PS.  I am breeding my Perch mare next month to an awesome Andalusian
stallion.  I'll send pics when I get them.

Brock is one of the most well-behaved dogs I have ever meet. Sue did an
awesome job with him! I know he'll love the coursing too :)

Sue -- I remember a long, long time ago you were intereted in doing research
on dogs in the middle ages and whether they were involved in wars... was
that correct? I was just curious to see if you'd ever pursued that.

:) Christiaen



--- In Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com, "Sue" <brocktroll@y...> wrote:
> I posted some pictures of Brock, not the usual type of courser, but
> he loves to run.  Sue and Brock

I posted some pictures of Brock, not the usual type of courser, but
he loves to run.  Sue and Brock

Greetings fellow soon-to-be Caid Coursers!!

First of all, let me thank each and every one of you that donated
items for the yard sale, stood out in the near sleet we had all day
at Crown to help sell and all those that braved the freezing rain to
stop by and purchase all sorts of treasures. Thank you SO much!

The fruits of our labor have been most wonderful. Despite the
weather, we were able to raise the entire amount necessary to
purchase our new coursing equipment!!! I had envisioned many,
many fund raisers in order to achieve this -- how fortunate we
were to have so many generous people helping to make this
happen in such a short time.

I am in contact with Tom at inJoy -- we have put together our list
of equipment necessary to get started, and as soon as the
Academy of Equestrian Arts exchequer and the Dreiburgen
exchequer get everything sorted out, we should be able to quickly
get the stuff purchased and have a get together to learn how to
set up and operate this stuff. This will be a good opportunity for
those out there with dogs that have never tried to give it a shot!

So thank you again for everyone's help and support. Fun times
ahead!!

:) Christiaen

Crown Tourney Coursing Fund Raiser Reminder

Greetings Everyone,

Just a quick reminder – please be sure to stop by our Coursing Yard Sale
Fund Raiser at Crown Tournament this weekend. We already have some
really fantastic donations including garb from several former monarchs!! Al=
so
many books, accessories and toys.

If you have any SCA-type items that you wish to donate to help support
Coursing in our kingdom, please bring them by our pavilion when you arrive =

(just ask where we're located when you check in). If you cannot attend, fee=
l
free to contact me at half_pass@... and we'll try to make pick-up
arrangements.

Please be sure to bring your hounds by as well – we'll have special treats =
for
our 4-legged friends, and would like to get everyone's picture for our
upcoming Caidan Pack website.

A small change in plans: we will not be selling any baked items this time
around. Please visit the Boar's Head Inn for meals and snacks during the
event. See the Crown Tourney website for a full menu: castillosolaz.com/
Dreiburgen/CaidSpringCT.htm

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

Lady Christiaen
Academy of Equestrian Arts
To learn more about coursing in Caid, please join our list at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/Caid_Coursing

Katherine Merival asked me to post a few pictures of Heidi for her here --
"Heidi" is a 1 yr old German Short Hair Mix dog they are looking to find a
home for. Pictures have been uploaded to the Photo folder on this list. Check
her out (she sure is cute) and share with anyone you know that might be
looking for a dog to adopt.

You can contact Katherine (Christine) at KatherineMerival@.... Here
was the original email:

>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Please know that I would only post this sort of thing if we were
> getting
> near the end our resources. I hope that this doesn't cause and sort
> of
> frustration for anyone. If it does, please accept my apology.
>
> We had given our dog, Heidi, to a friend's sister a couple of
> weeks ago
> because with the new baby coming we just don't feel like we will have
> the
> space/time to properly care for her. However, it hasn't worked out
> for her. She
> has some personal stuff going on and doesn't have as much time as she
> had
> thought. She was going to take Heidi to the Humane Society and we
> objected and
> have taken her back to find her a home once more. She's a great dog,
> about one
> year old, a German Short Hair Pointer supposedly mixed with something
>
> (according to the Humane Society) but the Vets we talked with had no
> idea what because
> she looked pure to them. Heidi's liver/white though I think milk
> chocolate/white is a better description. She's non-agressive (I took
> a piece of old
> hamburger that she had found right out of the back of her mouth with
> no resistance
> from her), loving, bright, housetrained to do her business outside,
> sits on
> command and was learning to stay on command. Heidi's *never* growled
> at us or
> our friends or stared us down. She's only barked when other dogs
> have barked
> initially and is quieted with a firm request. She did bark one night
> when a
> fox came around our home.
>
> We really care for her and her well being which is why we are
> trying to
> find her a more suitable home. We are not going to send her back to
> the
> shelter. We can't, she's a really good dog. It's just with the new
> baby things are
> going to get a little more tight around here in all ways.
>
> If you or someone you know would like to take a look at her to
> determine
> if you'd like to bring her into your life, please let me know. She
> comes with
> all of her own equipment, except a dog house. She has all of her
> shots and
> has been fixed. Too, she's intelligent and will definately respond
> to a
> different name after a couple of days should you not care for the
> name Heidi.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to read this. We really appreciate
> it.
>
> -Christine

So handsome!! :)

--- In Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com, "Nefi & Donna"
<dgriego@s...> wrote:
>  Greetings all,
>
>   I at last got around to posting a picture of our Gunnar,
otherwise
> known as Gunny. He is a Hungarian Vizsla.
>   We look forward to meeting many of you at the upcoming
Crown.
>
> Until then
> Isolda

Greetings all,

   I at last got around to posting a picture of our Gunnar, otherwise
known as Gunny. He is a Hungarian Vizsla.
   We look forward to meeting many of you at the upcoming Crown.

Until then
Isolda

Check out the "Laws of the Leash" document uploaded to the "Files" area of
the Caid Coursing group site:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Caid_Coursing

I found this through www.fastfriends.org in a nice article about the history of
greyhounds and hunting with lots of details from the middle ages:
http://www.fastfriends.org/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=16

"Coursing races, with dogs chasing live rabbits, became popular during the
sixteenth century. Queen Elizabeth I of England (1533-1603) had Thomas,
Duke of Norfolk, draw up rules judging competitive coursing. These rules
established such things as the hare's head start and the ways in which the
two hounds' speed, agility and concentration would be judged against one
another. Winning was not necessarily dependent on catching the hare
(although this did earn a high score). Often the hare escaped. Wagers were
commonly placed on the racing dogs. These rules were still in effect when the
first official coursing club was founded in 1776 at Swaffham, Norfolk, England.
The rules of coursing have not changed a great deal since this time."

The uploaded file contains the Duke of Norfolk's 16th century "Laws of the
Leash" -- republished in 1638 by Gervase Markham. Jim Jeffers (the file's
modern author) interprets from the original old English text.

Enjoy!

:) Christiaen

Gracie is a doll. I can't wait to see her course -- this is going to be so much
fun!! :)

I've got my living room full of boxes ready to donate to the sale. If we get a
lot
of response to this, we may be able to pull this off before June :)

Christiaen



--- In Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com, Rhyfelmarch@a... wrote:
> **weeps** Dog stories always get me...
>
> Her "Grace" is a veritable tank. She is absolutely fearless (jumped up onto
> the chest of my 16.2 hh horse), a little bit silly, and has endless FRAP time.
> (Frequent Random Activity Periods)..
> She and Ludwig ought to run themselves giddy at the next event... She
doesnt
> know her own strength :-)
>
> My family bred litters of Goldens for around three years with my first dog
> Sandy, who I'd had since I was six.. She unfortunately passed away around
two
> years ago from an awful cancer..
>
> My dream dog is a Borzoi though, as soon as Gracie is a little more trained
> maybe I can get one.  Haha..
>
> I did teach her to run on the treadmill the other day! She loves it HAHA.
>
> Erica

I remember Cumhea too from Estrella!! I didn't get any pictures of Saturday. In
fact, I completely missed Saturday because I got there at 9am our time, which
happens to be 10am Atenveldt time :(

Sorry to hear about the toe -- you'll want to baby that one. I think we can set
the course to more gentle angles to accomodate our more "seasoned"
runners. Percival has huge, enlarged nuckles on all his toes -- the vet said
something akin to Rheumatoid Arthritis, but the Whippet racing people said it
looked like "blown toes" -- something that happens when they are raced too
hard, too soon or on too hard ground. Hopefully it won't bother her too much.

I saw a show on rescue greyhounds, and remember the oddest thing was the
fact that they were so "underexposed". Getting into and riding in a car just
blew their minds. And attempting to negotiate stairs was beyond
comrehension. So the tile thing sounds pretty normal. You guys sound like
such a good, patient family for Cumhea -- she is really lucky. I'm sure all
those
"mysteries" like tiled floor will soon be overcome. As far as the 1am thing
though... have you thought about a doggie door? We love ours!! :)

Is Cumhea a Welsh or Celtic name?

Christiaen



--- In Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com, HeatherAMP@a... wrote:
> Hello all!  My name is Caelfind (pronounced Kaylin) and we coursed our
> rescued greyhound for the first time at Estrella.  WOW was that fun.  It took
me 45
> minutes to get her down from that high.  She dislocated a toe though...we
were
> told she came off the track with one, but we thought it was one of the back
> toes with a very big knuckle-we easily could have been wrong.  Did anyone
get
> pictures from Saturday morning?
>
> Back to the baby.  Her name is Cumhea (Kuva) and we adopted her last
April.
> We thought her last race was Nov. of 2002 but just found out she was
picked up
> from the track the day after her last race in March of 2003.  She was in 135
> races for about 3 years.  She's as neurotic as they come!!  We're sure she'll
> come out of her shell and all that will be underneath is more neurosis.  She
> decides randomly that she can't walk on tile...even to get to her food or to
go
> outside.  Her very favorite food suddenly doesn't appeal so not eating is the
> better option.  She figured out I was trying to train her early on to come to
> me by giving her treats, so she refused to take treats from anyone for 4
> weeks.  In spite of all of this (or because of it:-) she's stolen our hearts.
> (Though last night's desperate need to go outside at 1am didn't really
appeal.)
>
> We're really excited to be part of this burgeoning community and we're
really
> looking forward to meeting everyone!
>
> Caelfind
> (Along with Eogan, Morgan, Kyle and Cumhea:-)

Greetings Elisabetta!!

Yes, that was John and I at the rest stop, coming home from Estrella :)
You're from Dreiburgen, correct? I'm very much looking forward to meeting
your Iggies, and your linebacker ;0)

Will you be at Crown? Come over and join us at the Yard sale fund raiser if
you are -- Pervical and Ludwig will be meeting and greeting ;)

Isolda? Will you also be at Crown? Come by and hang out with us if you can
-- and we'd love to see Gunnar again if he'll be there :)

Christiaen


>From: Liz Cornell <lizcandoit@...>
>Reply-To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Caid_Coursing] Digest Number 1
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:14:57 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi Everyone!!!
>This is Elisabetta di Venezia
>
>I may have spoken with some of you at Estrella. I pulled up next to Duke
>John and his Lady at a rest stop on the way back from Estrella. We had a
>nice chat about our respective dogs. Mine are two greyhound minitures
>(Italians) I also have a Rottie who runs like a linebacker (lookout!).
>
>If you see a lady sporting two small deer like creatures at an event it
>will be me!
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We have two whippets, or maybe more accurately, two whippets have us :)

I had boxers in the past and did a lot of rescue work for Boxer Rescue LA,
but when I met Duke John, who was decidedly not a dog person, he wasn't
really comfortable with the boxer energy level. And I agreed that they were
a bit high maintenance for my busy schedule. So when I was ready to take on
the commitment of a dog again, I decided to investigate whippets and
greyhounds -- both of which are 40 mph couch potatos. Much like cats, they
sleep about 18 hours a day with random bursts of energy here and there.

Anyway, we got our first old guy, "Percival"  from the SC Whippet Rescue. At
9 years old and many health problems, he was not high on the adoptable list.
But he won my heart the moment he looked into my soul with his Achwitz eyes
:) I was smitten from that first moment on, and he has become the absolute
light of both John's and my life. About a year later, we thought it would be
nice to rescue a second whippet, partly for companionship for Percy, and
partly so I could have a bit younger dog to enjoy racing and coursing with.
Well, the whippet racing industry is nothing like the greyhound racing
industry. There are (blessedly) few whippets that need rescuing. Good for
them, not so good for us. So we ended up going through a breeder and got a
puppy (NOT what we wanted to do -- puppies are a LOT of work!!) But at 11
weeks, Ludwig came to us completely socialized and house-trained. But the
most amazing part of the story was that even though Percival tried to
pretend he was a bit put out by the puppy, he began to have these miraculous
improvements to his health. His allergies completely cleared up. He no
longer needed the dozens of medications he was on. We were so blown away. He
just needed a friend. :)

So Ludwig is the athlete -- he loves to race and chase lures. It's really
neat to see them do and excel at what they were genetically engineered to
do. You can just see the joy when he's running and chasing, and you can't
help but be joyful too.

That's our story -- we want to see coursing take off in Caid because it is
just such a fun thing for the dogs to do.

:) Christiaen



>From: "The Griego's" <dgriego@...>
>Reply-To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [Caid_Coursing] Re: Greetings
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:04:41 -0800
>
>   Yes he is a natural hunter and we have never had to put much training
>in him to get him to hunt. My husband was the one who first got us
>interested in the breed. He wanted a bird dog and when researching them
>the Vizsla was the breed he most liked. They are a seldom seen breed, we
>had to get on a waiting list to get a puppy and although we got lucky
>and did not have to wait to long, some people wait for a year or more
>for a pup.
>
>  Anyway enough of Gunnar, what about your hounds?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: kristin Williams [mailto:half_pass@...]
>Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:56 AM
>To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Caid_Coursing] Re: Greetings
>
>
>So he definitely has the hunting instinct in his blood ;-)
>
>That was the first time I'd ever come across a Vizsla -- they are fairly
>
>unusual here aren't they?? What got you interested in the breed?
>
>--Christiaen
>
>
> >From: "Nefi & Donna" <dgriego@...>
> >Reply-To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Caid_Coursing] Re: Greetings
> >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:05:51 -0000
> >
> >Gunnar has no background in chasing things other than balls in the
> >yard. We hunt birds with him and he is a family pet. Some of the
> >commands we use in the field, I used on Sunday to get him to pay
> >attention and let him know their was something worth looking at, and
> >then when the lure took off he just went after it. He lost it on the
> >corner and tried sniffing for it, so I think with some scent on the
> >lure he would do great.He seemed to take to chasing very well.
> >Vizsla's are used in Hungary for deer and rabbit and all forms of
> >game and he is a first generation American, his parents were both
> >imported from Hungary.
> >
> >  I will post a couple pics as soon as I can get my husband ot turn
> >off the firewall thingy.
> >
> >Isolda
> >
> >
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-----Original Message-----
From: kristin Williams [mailto:half_pass@...]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:56 AM
To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Caid_Coursing] Re: Greetings

So he definitely has the hunting instinct in his blood ;-)

That was the first time I'd ever come across a Vizsla -- they are fairly
unusual here aren't they?? What got you interested in the breed?

--Christiaen


>From: "Nefi & Donna" <dgriego@...>
>Reply-To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Caid_Coursing] Re: Greetings
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:05:51 -0000
>
>Gunnar has no background in chasing things other than balls in the
>yard. We hunt birds with him and he is a family pet. Some of the
>commands we use in the field, I used on Sunday to get him to pay
>attention and let him know their was something worth looking at, and
>then when the lure took off he just went after it. He lost it on the
>corner and tried sniffing for it, so I think with some scent on the
>lure he would do great.He seemed to take to chasing very well.
>Vizsla's are used in Hungary for deer and rabbit and all forms of
>game and he is a first generation American, his parents were both
>imported from Hungary.
>
>  I will post a couple pics as soon as I can get my husband ot turn
>off the firewall thingy.
>
>Isolda
>
>

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So he definitely has the hunting instinct in his blood ;-)

That was the first time I'd ever come across a Vizsla -- they are fairly
unusual here aren't they?? What got you interested in the breed?

--Christiaen


>From: "Nefi & Donna" <dgriego@...>
>Reply-To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Caid_Coursing] Re: Greetings
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:05:51 -0000
>
>Gunnar has no background in chasing things other than balls in the
>yard. We hunt birds with him and he is a family pet. Some of the
>commands we use in the field, I used on Sunday to get him to pay
>attention and let him know their was something worth looking at, and
>then when the lure took off he just went after it. He lost it on the
>corner and tried sniffing for it, so I think with some scent on the
>lure he would do great.He seemed to take to chasing very well.
>Vizsla's are used in Hungary for deer and rabbit and all forms of
>game and he is a first generation American, his parents were both
>imported from Hungary.
>
>  I will post a couple pics as soon as I can get my husband ot turn
>off the firewall thingy.
>
>Isolda
>
>

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Yes -- the blinky balls seem to be so fascinating that the dogs are more
enticed to chase... at least that is true for Ludwig!! I know you have found
those for really good prices -- where do you get them?

:) Christiaen


>From: "rhyfelmarch" <Rhyfelmarch@...>
>Reply-To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Caid_Coursing] Greetings...
>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:57:08 -0000
>
>Greetings all,
>
>My hound's name is Gracie and she is a Golden Retriever. I hope her
>somewhat destructive puppy nature will err... be chaneled by some
>good hard exercise... She does have an affinity for blinky balls
>which she has passed on to Ludwig...
>
>Kristin do you think that the Blinky Toys could be a way for
>participants to make their dogs think a little more "sight
>houndish" ?
>
>Rhedyn / Erica
>

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Gunnar has no background in chasing things other than balls in the
yard. We hunt birds with him and he is a family pet. Some of the
commands we use in the field, I used on Sunday to get him to pay
attention and let him know their was something worth looking at, and
then when the lure took off he just went after it. He lost it on the
corner and tried sniffing for it, so I think with some scent on the
lure he would do great.He seemed to take to chasing very well.
Vizsla's are used in Hungary for deer and rabbit and all forms of
game and he is a first generation American, his parents were both
imported from Hungary.

  I will post a couple pics as soon as I can get my husband ot turn
off the firewall thingy.

Isolda

Greetings all,

My hound's name is Gracie and she is a Golden Retriever. I hope her
somewhat destructive puppy nature will err... be chaneled by some
good hard exercise... She does have an affinity for blinky balls
which she has passed on to Ludwig...

Kristin do you think that the Blinky Toys could be a way for
participants to make their dogs think a little more "sight
houndish" ?

Rhedyn / Erica

Greetings Isolda, Nef and Gunnar --

I believe I remember you from Sunday's coursing activities!! Gunnar was an
AMAZING example of how much fun a non-sight hound dog can have chasing a
lure -- he was gorgeous to watch. Since this was his first experience, can
you share any background on his chasing-experience? Did you have to
encourage him to follow the lure, or did he do it from instinct alone?

Do you have any pictures you can share of Gunnar?

Welcome aboard!

:) Christiaen



>From: "Nefi & Donna" <dgriego@...>
>Reply-To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>To: Caid_Coursing@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Caid_Coursing] Greetings
>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:42:12 -0000
>
>  My name is Isolda and my Lord husband is Nef the Nameless. Our
>hound is a Vizla named Gunnar, who enjoyed himself very much at
>Estrella on Sunday. He did a great job for not being a sight hound,
>and it was his first ever coursing event! We are excited that
>coursing is coming to Caid!
>
>

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My name is Isolda and my Lord husband is Nef the Nameless. Our
hound is a Vizla named Gunnar, who enjoyed himself very much at
Estrella on Sunday. He did a great job for not being a sight hound,
and it was his first ever coursing event! We are excited that
coursing is coming to Caid!

Welcome to the new Caid Coursing list!

We're just getting things started here, so as we get organized please feel free
to introduce yourself and your hounds, ask questions or make suggestions. If
you have pictures of your pack members, please upload them to the Photos
file on this group -- eventually we'll have a website and page to showcase the
hounds of Caid.

I'll be uploading useful sites, research, pictures and coursing information in
the Files, LInks and Photos folders here, so be sure to check back soon.

More details on the equipment we're hoping to get and money we'll need to
raise coming soon too.

Tally Ho!

:) Christiaen
Fewterer to Percival and Ludwig

The Academy of Equestrian Arts is Going to the Dogs

Greetings good gentles of Caid,

At this past Estrella War, Lure Coursing demonstrations were held each day
before battle. The populace was encouraged to bring their dogs, and those
that were keen on chasing were treated to a fantastic game: a twisting and
turning pursuit of the ever-allusive lure. It drew large crowds and much
cheering.

Here in Caid, a group of us are working to bring Coursing to our Kingdom.
Coursing is an activity for hounds that simulates game hunting from the
middle ages. Though some breeds excel at it due to their keen instinct to
chase, almost any dog can enjoy it. It's a fun, period activity for dogs, not to
mention fun for the humans to watch.

The Academy of Equestrian Arts has offered to house Caid's new "Hound"
group under their wing, but in order to get this off the ground, we need raise
funds to purchase the necessary equipment. To this end, we'll be holding our
first Academy Hound Yard Sale/Bake Sale at Crown Tournament April 17th. In
order for this to be a success though, we need your help! Please consider
donating any SCA items you no longer want or use such as:

Garb
Accessories
Fabric and trim
Armor
Trunks and boxes
Camping equipment
Feast gear
Books (what a great time to cull your library)
Decorative items
Etc.

Or if you're creatively inclined, consider sewing, painting or creating
something to donate! You can either drop your items off the morning of Crown
tournament, or contact me at half_pass@... (or call 949-888-8869)
to make pick-up arrangements.

We'll also be offering baked goods for sale, so please consider donating a
plate of something yummy.

And of course, be sure to stop by during the tournament and discover a
treasure or two you cannot live without. The hounds of Caid will appreciate it.

For more info on coursing in Caid, contact half_pass@... or join our
coursing group list by sending an email to: Caid_Coursing-
subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Christiaen
Fewterer to Percival and Ludwig
Academy of Equestrian Arts