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#877 From: Big_Cat_The_Cool@...
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:00 pm
Subject: Bamiyan
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Bamiyan

When Karabalgasun fell, it fell from its splendor as a gem of the
steppes, from its fame as the easternmost great center of the faith of
Mani, the Illuminator.
It is said that tens of thousands of dark, torch wielding horsemen
descended from north of the Orhon Valley, hailing down from the
monstrous hills surrounding the city before the dark of the night.
Flaming arrows were discharged, raining on palaces, temples and
pagodas like angels of death. The city soon found itself in hell,
perishing on a pit of fire and brimstone.
	 There was this Uighur prince, Tughlug Arslan Beg, who narrowly
escaped this Kyrgyz onslaught, which would bring the glory of the
Uighur empire to an abrupt end, after which Civilization would not
visit the valley of Karabalgasun for another 500 years. Tired and
dejected, Tughlug rode aimlessly, with a few of his vassals, toward
where the sun sets, where there still were followers of Mani, the
Illuminator.
	 "Beg, His Valiant Nobleness Arslan Beg, may your thirst of
spirit be quenched by the Light; May this Gobi desert be your ornate
rug; May the Eternal Sky be your yurt…" Rowshan, the jester, beat his
tambourine and started singing, hoping to cheer up his master.
	 "Rowshan, what's all that--- wouldn't a real yurt be more
helpful at this moment? When will we reach Samarkand?"
	 "Uh… Beg… Yes my Beg, another 13 days my Beg." --- All fell
silent as they marched on, observing a distant sandstorm ravaging the
ruinous ancient kingdoms of the Tarim Basin.
	 They finally reached Samarkand, only to find it overrun by
Tajik cavalrymen, who conducted raids of the Buddhist princedom and
garrisoned here, preparing for the investiture of their command of the
region by a certain Tahir ibn Hussein, the beloved of Allah and the
favorite of Caliph Harun al Rashid. Not a decent Manichaeist church
was to be found, all looted, the booties carried to Tahir's fortress
in Balkh.
	 Tughlug clenched his teeth--- his face turned red with zeal---
and called upon his servants: "We will march southwest towards
Babylon, where the Prophet received the Angels of the Light. It is
there that I can find my peace of mind."
	 A few days on their southwestward journey, they arrived at a
site, a ghost town. They did not hesitate approaching this town, not
without awe and marvel, because--- presiding over the decayed adobes
and broken columns, were two giant statue of the prophet Buddha,
which, although weather beaten, still told of the heydays of a great
empire whose memories were otherwise long buried in remote history.
	 Stopping in front of the cavernous cliffs where the Buddhas
were carved out, beholding this wonder of immortal hands, prince
Tughlug forgot about his grief and erupted into a hysterical joy,
covering his ears with both hands, screaming like a frenzied child,
his echos madly bouncing on the rocky walls in the surroundings over
and over again as if incarnating into ceaseless forms of existence
until it finally died down.
	 An old tattered man appeared in front of the crazed prince---
a dervish? No, a monk? No, a Brahmin, priest? A holy man. He seemed to
have just woken up from a long slumber, wearisome and cynical.
	 "Say, old man, what province on this great wide world are you
from?" Asked prince Tughlug.
	 "Young man, I am from Ard-allah, the Earth of God."
	 Tughlug startled a bit and Rowshan protested: "Over here is
Prince Tughlug Arslan Beg of Karabalgasun, Land of the Uighurs, the
Brave, Noble and Enlightened…"
	 Tughlug stopped Rowshan, looked up and surveyed around, and
rested his eyes on the old man: " Well then, Elder of Ard-allah… Do
you know… I am quite struck by the immensity of these… images of our
prophet Buddha. Who built it? When?"
	 "Yes my lord. These are in fact the monuments of the reign of
Kushanshah Kanishka of old. His empire perished 500 years ago… They
said it wasn't men who destroyed this empire, for such a great empire
could not be put down by human hands."
	 Tughlug felt a faintness seizing him, almost bringing him
aground from the saddle, and then he felt moistness blurring his eyes,
and wept. He said: " Old man, if you permit. My nation too, was such
that no mortal could destroy. On the night of its fall, I've seen the
Angels of Death. Now I am without home. Not even the faithful of Mani
are spared the mercy of God--- I just passed through Samarkand, that
city of Light. I saw wanton pillage and the rampage of believers of
the Arab religion. Come, Rowshan, come. Let's pray to Mani, for our
strength and deliverance."
	 The cynical old man interrupted: " Who is it that you are
praying to?"
	 "Pardon me?"
	 " Are you sure you are not praying to a dead man, for a dead
nation?"
	 Rowshan literally jumped up and, with rage, dragged the frail
old man to ground. He yelled hysterically to the offender: " You will
learn a lesson today, old… old beggar: do not insult a Uighur… do not
insult a Uighur before his Prince the Righteous, Pious and…" Tughlug's
face was also red with intensity.
	 The old man regained his balance, sat up on the dusty ground
and spoke with a panting voice: " Pri… Prince, a man is the most
powerful when he is without possession, most high when he is without
title. He will only see the true Light without prophets in between."
	 Tughlug burst in anger: " Lie! Pitiful lie! Mani is the
illuminator illuminated. It is through this window that Man can see
the true Light. He is the prophet of the Uighurs. In misfortune, it is
from Mani that we seek solace. Although my nation is no more, my faith
lives on. It is in my prophet that my nation lives on and that I know
I am a noble prince of the Uighurs. The prophet is the pillar of my
people in exile, the pillar of my existence."
	 The old man, with a mysterious smile: "Oh no, my Lord the
Prince, don't let your existence blind you. You receive the Light
through the Heart. Your Ego is the curtain of the Heart; Nation is the
Ego of Humanity. Who are the prophets? What are the prophets but the
Light's shadow on Nations?" It took Tughlug quite a while to
contemplate on the old man's words, and then the prince burst into a
malignant laughter: "Hahaha, old fool… haha… I understand, I
understand that you are a mad, mad man…"
	 Tughlug then gathered his entourage and marched off in the
direction of Babylon again. Miles away from the giant cliffs, Tughlug
suddenly decided to turn back. Rowshan volunteered to go back alone
and chop that old man into pieces. But the prince stopped his horse
and gazed at the cliffs, murmured: " I've dreamed him… I've dreamed
him at the end of Babylon…"
	 By the way, later the prince bypassed the cliffs and Samarkand
on his way up to the marshes of Syr Darya. It was there that he joined
the Oghuz nomads. There he would convert to Islam. One of his sons,
Seljuk, would seize Babylon (then called Baghdad), and presided over
an empire reaching from Khorasan to Rum. The sons of Seljuk would see
Baghdad razed to the ground by the Mongols. But then an Oghuz vassal
of the Seljuks would again found a great empire extending from Iraq to
Europe to North Africa. It was these Ottomans, as they were call, who
proclaimed themselves to be the Caliphs of the Prophet, Amir of the
Faithful. And then, inevitably, this empire also fell.
	 Now the faithful of Islam lament the downfall of the
Caliphate. Some turn their grief and prayers into zeal and answer the
encroaching enemy forces with bullets and bombs.
	 It is a wintry day when the Taliban of Afghanistan capture
Bamiyan, where the great statues of Buddha stand. A Taliban minister,
as soon as he gets off the jeep, passes through the mortared rubbles
and corpses of Hazara fighters, and walks straight up to the open
ground facing the two badly weathered giants. He beholds these
monuments of awe--- his teeth clenched, his face turned red with
intense zeal--- and murmured: "I've dreamed him… the mad man… I've
dreamed him at the end of the World…" And then he orders the
demolition of the statues.

#878 From: "Nesbeitt, Sarah" <snesbeitt@...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:32 pm
Subject: RE: Catherine Jinks
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Hi Alan,

No, not out of print - the paperback is from 2000.  They're both from Pan
Macmillan Australia.

Sarah N.

> -----Original Message-----
> I order Australian books from Gleebooks
>
> http://www.gleebooks.com.au/
>
> who have always been fast at shipping overseas. They
> don't have a listing for "The Inquisitor", though. Is
> it out of print? I hope not.
>
> Alan
>

#879 From: K.M.Bunting@...
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:33 pm
Subject: Introduction
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Having jumped in with both feet in defence of Captain Corelli, I
thought I'd better introduce myself properly.
I had two historical romances (English Civil War) published back in
the 70s, but got bogged down with my third and for various reasons
didn't start writing again until the 90s. I consider my next novel
much stronger as regards historical accuracy, but the market had
changed in the meantime and I still haven't found a publisher for it.

I've also been a historical reenactor (also English Civil War) for
more than 20 years and currently belong to a band playing early 17c
music at reenactment events and historic houses. I've been a member of
the HNS for 2 years.

Kate Bunting

#880 From: "Nesbeitt, Sarah" <snesbeitt@...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 7:21 pm
Subject: Reusable book designs
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Hi all,

Just thought I'd share something interesting I just spotted.

Check out these two sites, both of which display the dust jackets of new
historical novels:

Kleopatra, by Karen Essex, shortly to be released by Warner Books US:
http://www.twbookmark.com/newreads/coming_soon.html#kleopatra

Scheherazade, by Anthony O'Neill, new from Flamingo (HarperCollins)
Australia:
http://www.harpercollins.com.au/covers/large/0732268788.jpg

This sort of thing probably happens more than we know.

Sarah N.

#881 From: "Susan Hicks" <Susan.Hicks1@...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 7:47 pm
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Hi Kate,
 
Welcome out of de-lurk!
Everyone has different opinions about novels - that's what make discussing them so interesting and fun. (I'm a Corelli loather <g>!)
Like you I'm a re-enactor, (as are several other members of this list). I've found taking part in re-enactment highly rewarding in the detail stakes and also as a means of putting me in touch with experts in the know who I'd never have encountered otherwise.  A few weeks ago I needed to know about coffins in the period 1066-1100.  What they were made of, what they looked like.  I posted a request on our re-enactment e-list discussion group. Almost immediately a reply came back from one of the members who is a practising archaelogist and whose speciality early coffins are.  He's written several papers
on the subject and could give me the details chapter and verse.  In the normal way of things, I'd have struggled to find that information. 
 
Yes, I think that the market has changed over the past 10 years.  The UK no longer publishes historical romances the way it used to and mainstream commercial historical fiction has taken a hard knock.  However, where the latter is concerned, things seem slowly to be balancing out and perhaps even on the upturn.  After several years of living on the edge, I've been accepted by W.H.Smiths and have begun to see royalties and reprints rather than statements in the red from my advances.
Good luck with your own work.
Onwards and upwards!
Best
Susan :-)
 
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Subject: [HistoricalNovelSociety] Introduction

Having jumped in with both feet in defence of Captain Corelli, I
thought I'd better introduce myself properly.
I had two historical romances (English Civil War) published back in
the 70s, but got bogged down with my third and for various reasons
didn't start writing again until the 90s. I consider my next novel
much stronger as regards historical accuracy, but the market had
changed in the meantime and I still haven't found a publisher for it.

I've also been a historical reenactor (also English Civil War) for
more than 20 years and currently belong to a band playing early 17c
music at reenactment events and historic houses. I've been a member of
the HNS for 2 years.

Kate Bunting



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#882 From: Alan Fisk <alanfisk@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 7:34 am
Subject: Re: Reusable book designs
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--- "Nesbeitt, Sarah" <snesbeitt@...> wrote: >
Hi all,
>
> This sort of thing probably happens more than we
> know.
>
> Sarah N.
>
Then there was the sad tale from the 1960s when the
author of a (non-historical) novel delightedly tore
open the parcel containing his author's copies, and
was horrified to discover that the cover bore a lurid
illustration of a man peering under a bed on which was
lying a dead naked woman.

He telephoned his editor to protest about the cover,
and was told "Well, this was a cover that we
commissioned for a book that in the end we didn't
publish, so I decided to re-use it for yours".

"But there's nothing in my book involving a scene like
that!" cried the anguished author.

"Don't worry," replied the editor, "I put in a few
paragraphs to cover that".

The cover of the UK translation of one of my uncle's
historical novels bears a picture of a young woman
with half her (bodice, robe, or whatever you call it)
torn off, looking fearfully over her shoulder as she
flees down the road away from a sinister castle.

There is no such scene in the book.

Alan


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#883 From: Sandra Gulland <gulland@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 11:41 am
Subject: Duplicate covers
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Sarah, I'm shocked by the use of the same cover. I wonder if the publishers/editors/authors know.

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#884 From: "Susan Hicks" <Susan.Hicks1@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: Duplicate covers
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Sandra G wrote re these duplicate covers
Kleopatra, by Karen Essex, shortly to be released by Warner Books US:
http://www.twbookmark.com/newreads/coming_soon.html#kleopatra

Scheherazade, by Anthony O'Neill, new from Flamingo (HarperCollins)
Australia:
http://www.harpercollins.com.au/covers/large/0732268788.jpg

Sarah, I'm shocked by the use of the same cover. I wonder if the publishers/editors/authors know.

I totally agree.  I'd be furious if it happened to me (unless it already has without my knowing!). 
Where my novels are concerned, an artist is commissioned to design a cover once the manuscript has been delivered.  Sometimes that cover will then be sold on for foreign editions of my books - such as in the USA or Germany.  As far as I know, the covers are not re-used for other fiction - but that's only as far as I know. 
Warner and Harper Collins are mainstream publishing houses, so how this has come about I have no idea.  Perhaps the cover photographer was a freelance?  It would be interesting to find out the details behind it.  I'm with Warner UK for my paperback sales.  I'll e-mail these urls to my editor and see if she has anything to say.
 
Best
Susan :-)
The Marsh King's Daughter/Warner Feb 2001
Lords Of The White Castle/Warner July 2001
The Winter Mantle/Little Brown January 2002
 




 


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#885 From: "Susan Hicks" <Susan.Hicks1@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Reusable book designs
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Re the thread on duplicate book covers:
 
I had to telephone my editor today on another matter and after we'd dealt with that, I asked her about the business of duplicate jacket covers (as aforementioned I'm published by Warner's UK paperback house and one of the rogue books was Warner USA)
My editor says that it occasionally happens.  Sometimes it is the result of a freelance photographer or agency selling their cover work twice,  but that it is seen as 'not the done thing' and very naughty.  Naughty enough to be illegal I don't know - probably not!
Occasionally an existing painting or photograph will be apt for more than one novel.  My editor said that they had once used the same cover art for a UK paperback as a St Martin's hardcover (different books and authors) but had asked St Martin's for permission first, and the books had not come out at the same time as each other.
My editor is going to contact Warner USA as she thinks they will like to know about the duplicate covers.
 
I'll get back to you if I hear any more!
 
Best
Susan :-)
 
 

#886 From: Alan Fisk <alanfisk@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: Reusable book designs
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--- Susan Hicks <Susan.Hicks1@...> wrote: >
Re the thread on duplicate book covers:
>
> Occasionally an existing painting or photograph will
> be apt for more than one novel.

If anyone ever publishes my novel "Cupid and the
Silent Goddess", the cover will have to carry a
reproduction of a painting that has been used on
several other books. The cover design will be
different, though.

Even if a non-copyright painting or photograph were
used, the actual elements of the design in which it
was incorporated would be copyright, so an absolutely
identical cover would seem to be definitely not
Catholic, as we say in Montreal.

Alan

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#887 From: Sidney Allinson <sidneya@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: Reusable book designs
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At 04:30 PM 6/15/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Occasionally an existing painting or photograph will be apt for more than
>one novel.

'Same thing happened with my latest, "KRUGER'S GOLD: A novel of the
Anglo-Boer War".
I found a marvellous historical painting that was perfect and appropriate
to use as the cover.
'Paid a small licence fee to a regimental committee for permission to
reproduce their
painting as cover illustration on my book. I have learned since that the
same painting was used
as the cover on a previous (non-fiction) book about the same war. I still
feel it was the right
choice, and no conflict or confusion is intended or implied.
- Sidney.

#888 From: Sidney Allinson <sidneya@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: Reusable book designs
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>The cover of the UK translation of one of my uncle's
>historical novels bears a picture of a young woman
>with half her (bodice, robe, or whatever you call it)
>torn off, looking fearfully over her shoulder as she
>flees down the road away from a sinister castle.

Hence the genre being known in the trade as a "bodice-ripper".
- Sidney.

#889 From: Sidney Allinson <sidneya@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: Reusable book designs
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At 08:34 AM 6/15/01 +0100, you wrote:
>Then there was the sad tale from the 1960s when the
>author of a (non-historical) novel delightedly tore
>open the parcel containing his author's copies, and
>was horrified to discover that the cover bore a lurid
>illustration of a man peering under a bed on which was
>lying a dead naked woman.
>
>He telephoned his editor to protest about the cover,
>and was told "Well, this was a cover that we
>commissioned for a book that in the end we didn't
>publish, so I decided to re-use it for yours".
>
>"But there's nothing in my book involving a scene like
>that!" cried the anguished author.
>
>"Don't worry," replied the editor, "I put in a few
>paragraphs to cover that".

It is said that in the early days of pulp fiction and pocket-books,
writers would be presented with a cover illustration and told
to write a book including the scene.
- Sidney.

#890 From: "Yvonne LaRose" <manager@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 4:47 pm
Subject: Question About Current cf. Regency Period UK Shopping District
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This is a bit off from anything most are discussing. However, I heard someone
talking about where young women of the Regency [1700 to mid-1800] would shop for
their clothing. Can someone tell me where women of that class now do their
shopping?

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Date: Fri Jun 15, 2001 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: Question About Current cf. Regency Period UK Shopping District
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At 17:47 15/06/01 , Yvonne LaRose wrote:
>This is a bit off from anything most are discussing. However, I heard
>someone talking about where young women of the Regency [1700 to mid-1800]
>would shop for their clothing. Can someone tell me where women of that
>class now do their shopping?

If I understand your question correctly, the modern upper-middle to upper
class female in London is often found in the vincity of King's Road and
Sloane Square, Chelsea.

(Fergie, Madonna...)

Juliann

#892 From: Sidney Allinson <sidneya@...>
Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 5:20 pm
Subject: RE: Canadian Virtual War Memorial
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Any writer looking for background on the First World War,
particularly from a Canadian/British perspective, will find
good useful info at:
www.virtualmemorial.gc.ca
The site's stated aim is:
"CANADIAN VIRTUAL WAR MEMORIAL
This site contains a registry of information about the graves
   and memorials of more than 116,000 Canadians and
   Newfoundlanders who served valiantly and gave their lives for
   their country. The site also contains digital images of
   photographs and personal memorabilia about individual
   Canadians. The purpose of the Canadian Virtual War Memorial
   is to recognize and keep alive the memory of the
   achievements and sacrifices of Canadian citizens who have
   served in the defence of freedom."

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#893 From: <rmsmith@...>
Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001 6:52 pm
Subject: Archival research
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Can anybody help?

I am a student archivist, currently researching my Master's
dissertation on the relationship between archival research and novels.
I'm very keen to find out authors' opinions on - and experiences of -
archives, archivists and research in general. Any comments you might
make (either to the listserv or to my own e-mail address) would be
helpful to me, but the following are some of the questions which have
already occurred to me:

Have you ever used archives (as opposed to the printed sources
available in libraries) for research? If you haven't, is there a
particular reason why not? If you have, what were your experiences? I
note from the listserv that librarians have come in for some criticism
in the past - is the same applicable to archivists?

What exactly is research _for_? Is it to add authenticity, or fuel
inspiration, etc? Is research ever the initial source of an idea, or
does the research come only after the idea has begun to take shape? Do
you find archives (ie, original historical documents) inherently
inspiring? Does the type of research undertaken affect the nature of
the novel itself?

Finally, do you think that creative/imaginative researchers have
particular requirements which distinguish them from other researchers,
such as academics and family historians? Is there anything that
archivists could do to make archives more accessible or useful to
authors of fiction?

Obviously, these questions are likely to have as many different
answers as there are authors, but I would be very, very grateful for
any comments on these or related subjects. It is my hope that my
dissertation will raise awareness in my profession of a significant,
and currently neglected, potential use for archives.

Thank you for your time.

Ruth Smith

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#894 From: UkHrh@...
Date: Tue Jun 19, 2001 5:47 am
Subject: Re: Archival research
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Have you ever used archives (as opposed to the printed sources
available in libraries) for research? If you haven't, is there a
particular reason why not? If you have, what were your experiences? I
note from the listserv that librarians have come in for some criticism
in the past - is the same applicable to archivists?>>


Once used the archives at the Boston Public Library...and as far as I'm
concerned, unless you are looking something up that happened in the last
hundred years or so, you don't obtain as much information as you do from
librarians.
And the librarians at the BPL are absolute wizards, where I noticed the
archive area was run by most likely by students on work studies and no where
near as helpful.  Mind you this is the only run in I've had with serious
research librarians and impressed doesn't even begin to list the wonderful
adjectives I have for them.


What exactly is research _for_? Is it to add authenticity, or fuel
inspiration, etc? >>


First and foremost I think it's to add to your own knowledge, secondary and
I'm sure there will be disagreement here, it's to provide you with sources.

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#895 From: "SGN" <sgn@...>
Date: Wed Jun 20, 2001 11:03 am
Subject: HNS Conference
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Just thought that people might like to know that tickets for the HNS
Conference in London on 6th October are selling well.  We now have only
seven places left, so if you want to come, please send your booking form off
ASAP, or contact me for an electronic copy.

Guest Speakers will include authors LINDSEY DAVIS, JULIAN STOCKWIN,  top
literary agent CAROLE BLAKE, HNS's  founder RICHARD LEE and, provisionally,
authors, BERNARD CORNWELL, JULIAN RATHBONE, and REAY TANNAHILL. Tickets are
£30.00, which includes lunch and refreshments.

Shortly, we shall start to advertise the conference more widely, so take the
plunge now, or risk not getting a ticket!

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#896 From: "Nesbeitt, Sarah" <snesbeitt@...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 12:32 pm
Subject: RE: Reusable book designs
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Hi everyone,

Just got back from the American Library Association conference in San
Francisco and am getting caught up on this thread.

Susan, if you find out anything on the use of the duplicate cover, please
let me/us know!  I have heard of a similar instance with the cover of the US
paperback of Thomas Keneally's Woman of the Inner Sea - which can be seen at
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0452271770.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg.  I remember
reading an article back when this came out that said that the photo (a
rather ghostly image of a woman's face) was used on at least three different
book jackets that same year.  I can't immediately name any of the others,
though.

Sarah N.

#897 From: "Stephen Copson" <xvc85@...>
Date: Fri Jun 22, 2001 12:14 pm
Subject: Reusable book covers
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Not historical novels, but reusing book jacket designs was quite common at
one time with certain publishers of children's books - I'm talking about the
1920s/1930s, when Chambers for instance reused a (relevant, specially drawn
for the book) cover of a well known girls school story, as a cover for a
reprint of a novel for older girls by a different author.  The cover had no
relevance to the second story at all, and I imagine this was done for
reasons of economy so they could issue a cheap reprint - it was very much a
cut and paste job, and with the technology of the time, you can pretty well
see the joins!  The example I have in mind is notorious but I'm sure it
wasn't the only one.

Belinda

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#898 From: Alan Fisk <alanfisk@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2001 10:06 am
Subject: Another parody of a bad historical novel
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As well as John Barth's "The Sot-Weed Factor", I've
also remembered the novella "Typewriter in the Sky" by
(of all people) L. Ron Hubbard, in which the
unfortunate hero finds himself trapped in the
alternate world of a very bad historical novel about
pirates which is being written by his friend, a
particularly crass hack writer.

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#899 From: "srilekha rach" <srilekharach@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2001 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 192
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Dear Alan,

Thank you for the warning.

All the best from Rosemary, who has now finished a novel set at the begining
of Queen Anne's reign and escaped to weed the garden because writing the
synopsis is so traumatic.




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#900 From: "Catherine Karp" <cathekarp@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2001 7:49 pm
Subject: History & Lovers Update
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I've been in lurking mode for a while due to a remodeling project on my
house, but I wanted to mention a new feature for fans of my History & Lovers
site.  I frequently add new titles to the site, so I've started a newsletter
that will be sent to members whenever a new listing appears.  If you're a
History & Lovers author, you can also send me your news and events, which I
will include in the posts, as well.

If you're interested in signing up, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Historyandlovers .  If you've never been to
History & Lovers before, please visit http://www.historyandlovers.com .
It's for fans of historical love stories that bend and break the romance
genre rules.

Catherine
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#901 From: lardymole@...
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2001 7:26 pm
Subject: Anything Napoleonic ???
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Hi,

Can people suggest their favourite Napoleonic fiction books?
I will start this off by saying that by far the best are the Aubrey -
Maturin series by Patrick O'Brian, starting with Master and
Commander, and sadly, finally with Blue at the Mizzen (released 1999).

Tom

"Next to a battle lost, the greatest misery is a battle gained"
(Wellington, Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of,)

#902 From: Sidney Allinson <sidneya@...>
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2001 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: Anything Napoleonic ???
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At 07:26 PM 7/1/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Can people suggest their favourite Napoleonic fiction books?
>I will start this off by saying that by far the best are the Aubrey -
>Maturin series by Patrick O'Brian, starting with Master and
>Commander, and sadly, finally with Blue at the Mizzen (released 1999).
>Tom

C.S. Forester [ "Hornblower" ] and Bernard Cornwell  [ "Sharpe" ].

-- Sidney Allinson.

#903 From: "Catie Cary" <catie.cary@...>
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2001 10:11 pm
Subject: Re: Anything Napoleonic ???
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They may seem a little dated now, but I cut my historical fiction teeth on
Dennis Wheatley's "Roger Brook" books and I still find them very readable
today. ( I believe Wheatley got a whole generation through their exams on
the French Revolution - not only more readable but generally far better
researched than our textbooks!)
Catie

#904 From: Donna Rudin <donnarudin@...>
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 6:31 am
Subject: Introduction from New Member
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Greetings,

I am a lover of historical romance of the 19th
century.  My favorite author is Stanley Weyman and I
have also read Henry Seton Merriman his closest
friend.

I also am reading the works of Charles Dickens,
Anthony Trollope,  and Sir Walter Scott.  My main
study has been with Stanley Weyman, however.

I have enjoyed participating on the Gaslight list
moderated by Stephen Davies.

The best to everyone,

Donna

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#905 From: "Patricia Wynn" <patricks@...>
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2001 5:46 pm
Subject: Re: Judith Cook
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I've had to drop out for a while, while I concentrate on my writing, but had
to drop in to say how much I enjoyed discovering Judith Cook's novels!  I
was able to pick up some English authors at the Malice Domestic Conference
from the Sleuth of Baker's Street Bookstore. I got a Deryn Lake and liked
her apothocary/detective and plot very much, but Judith Cook's
Elizabethan-era physician is even better. For me the difference was in the
quality of the prose.

Has anybody seen Judith Cook's books printed in the U.S.?

Pat Wynn
THE BIRTH OF BLUE SATAN - MARCH 2001
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#906 From: Sidney Allinson <sidneya@...>
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2001 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: RESOURCE: US Civil War.
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American Civil War Collections - http://etext.virginia.edu/civilwar/
Civil War letters and diary entries include transcriptions
and digital images of the manuscripts. Each collection is
annotated, showing if the letters are from spouses,
sweethearts, relatives, or others. The site also includes
student projects from the University of Virginia and
speeches, fictional writings, spirituals, and legal texts
relating to the war. A valuable source of primary
documents.

-- Sidney.

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