In a message dated 12/1/00 6:20:59 AM Central Standard Time, Heathenbooks@egroups.com writes: << "I'm the son of Sidgrani" Is this a name for Odin? Tim >> Yes,...
Siegersson@...
Dec 2, 2000 12:23 am
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... Thanks, Siegersson. I notice that this list of Odin's heiti includes a third translation of "Gagnrad", Odin's name used in his visit to Vafthrudnir. From...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 2, 2000 1:51 am
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... are almost completely literary devices. The gods and the situations that lead to the infodumps are portrayed like stock pieces from generic world folklore....
Tim Doughty
tsdoughty@...
Dec 4, 2000 9:12 pm
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Greetings, Some assorted questions on 'Grimnir's Sayings'. (Excuse me if I've already asked these.) Some of these may have an entry in Simek, but that's at...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 4, 2000 9:22 pm
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... I'm not near my books atm, but I've been told a 'tooth-payment' is something like the Tooth Fairy: You get it when you lose your first tooth. I could be...
Lorrie Wood
lwood@...
Dec 4, 2000 9:27 pm
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... something like the Tooth Fairy: You get it when you lose your first tooth. I could be wrong though... Hi Lorrie, I should have been clearer. I've heard...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 5, 2000 12:26 am
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Tim Doughty wrote: ) > For example, is _Alvis_ a tiny remnant of a larger body of Thorrian ) lore? Most of what we have is obviously...
Manny Olds
oldsma@...
Dec 5, 2000 1:15 pm
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 tsdoughty@... wrote: ) I should have been clearer. I've heard too that this is what ) 'tooth-payment' means: it's like a baby gift....
Manny Olds
oldsma@...
Dec 5, 2000 1:25 pm
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... Can you expand on your thinking here? ... Well, good for them I say. Maybe they feel like they got shortchanged in the reconstructed religious movement...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 5, 2000 11:41 pm
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) 'My face have I now revealed before the sons of the fighting gods, ) now the wished-for sustenance will awaken; ) all the Aesir it shall bring in onto...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 5, 2000 11:46 pm
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... I'm sorry, but maybe I'm not making myself clear. When I suggested that the animals killed are useful to the living after death, just as ancestors who are...
Jeff Atwood
tyrfingr@...
Dec 5, 2000 11:58 pm
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... No, you did not. I was not refuting each of your points, but talking myself through concepts which I find hard to come to conclusions on. I myself have ...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 6, 2000 12:19 am
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... Hello Tim, You could study sweat practices around the world to understand this process. The "torture" and "torment" described in this poem follows a ...
Jeff Atwood
tyrfingr@...
Dec 6, 2000 1:20 pm
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... ==snip== ... In Hollander's version: Now my looks have I lifted aloft to the gods help will come from on high, from all the AEsir which...
Ann Marie Dunn
AMD5@...
Dec 6, 2000 5:49 pm
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... Thanks, Ann Marie, this is very interesting. Apparently the experts have a lot of trouble with this verse, too. Looking at the first line, Larrington is...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 6, 2000 11:42 pm
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... We must remember the audiences we are talking about. The audience back then would not need to know such details, for these were commonly expected due to ...
Jeff Atwood
tyrfingr@...
Dec 7, 2000 3:10 am
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... Only if you do the same for me! I know I have...eh...put others off before. Jeff ...
Jeff Atwood
tyrfingr@...
Dec 7, 2000 3:30 am
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 tsdoughty@... wrote: ) oldsma@... writes: ) ) > The gift is significant. It suggests links .... between wild places ) > and...
Manny Olds
oldsma@...
Dec 7, 2000 2:32 pm
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I found the following quote in an online edition of _History of Hacon the Good_ (part of _Heimskringla_): "But thou, king, must use some moderation towards us,...
Manny Olds
oldsma@...
Dec 7, 2000 3:09 pm
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... I don't think our predecessors had a precise taxonomy of unseen ... Manny, Thanks for elaborating on your thoughts. It reminds me again how little we ...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 8, 2000 4:55 pm
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Ok, I've been accused of interpreting the Lore far too literally in the past, but in this case, I might just be right. Because of the lack of the alfs in the...
iparkedmycar@...
Dec 8, 2000 5:17 pm
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... You stand as good a chance as anyone! :) Nice to hear from you again, Michael. ... I don't think anyone is dismissing them as being mythical so much as...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 8, 2000 6:21 pm
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... Hey! Just because something's mythical doesn't mean it's not *true*. Historical veracity and concrete existence are subsets of truth, not the whole of the...
Lorrie Wood
lwood@...
Dec 8, 2000 6:25 pm
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Hi, To tell you the truth, I've been waiting to get to these two (Harbard's Song and Loki's Quarrel), the insult poems. Harbard's Song opens with Thor picking...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 8, 2000 9:10 pm
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Larrington, The Poetic Edda, p. 69: "the two engage in a ritual exchange of insults. 'Harbard's Song (Harbardzljod)' is both typical and atypical of this...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 8, 2000 9:23 pm
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Following up on that last post about Snorri's collection of character adjectives, I made a list of the terms and names that Thor and Harbard threw at each...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 8, 2000 9:40 pm
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On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 tsdoughty@... wrote: ) ) Harbard: ) "I'll compensate you for that with a ring for the hand which arbitrators use, ) those who are...
Manny Olds
oldsma@...
Dec 9, 2000 12:41 am
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... Those are more mundane explanations, but neither rings true based upon Thor's too-vehement reaction. Besides, Larrington over-translates the term, using ...
tsdoughty@...
Dec 9, 2000 5:01 am
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On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 tsdoughty@... wrote: ) ) > I think that arm-rings were standard payments in settlements. I think I ) > have read "giving an arm-ring"...
Manny Olds
oldsma@...
Dec 9, 2000 1:28 pm
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... Okay, now that I stopped laughing let me get the books and notebooks out. Hollander: I shall make up for that with a mickle ring, as daysmen may deem...
