Did a search on the listserve and found several names - will go with that -
great resource - all is under control...

Who is the best plumber you know?

Not to extend an already long discussion, but: If this provision has been
declared unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court, then it effectively doesn't
exist any more, and it isn't really appropriate to label our state as one that
still has this test.

    MA

HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, JavChris2@... wrote:
>
> Just as a point of reference, the Amish and Mennonite "affirm". Don't Quakers
and Unitarians go either way. And there HAVE to be others, right?  Seriously,
you'd think the "general public" would be used to it with barely so much as a
mental note. No?
> Chris S
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dwight Holmes <dwightrholmes@...>
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:56:05
> To: <HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [HOPE_in_Hyattsville] Re: MD one of a proud 7 states!
>
> as posted earlier: Learned on Rachel Maddow tonight that my state, Maryland,
> is one of 7
> proud states in the U.S. of A that has legal or constitutional
> provisions prohibiting non-believers from holding public office.
>
> The case discussed on Rachel's program has to do with a guy who was
> just elected to the Asheville NC city council. His choosing the
> "solemn affirmation" mode of swearing-in (rather than "so help me
> god") set off some red flags among the members of the Asheville
> community who apparently don't appreciate that the freedom... of
> religion we so proudly celebrate is a two-way street. freedom from, as
> well as freedom of.
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM, fuzzyphuzzy <fuzzyphuzzy@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It kinda just strikes me as describing how an oath should be administered.
> > And probably at the time that this was made law, most would have preferred
> > to make an oath to the diety of their choice.
> >
> > What is this test that is being mentioned all about? Sorry, I'm probably
> > overlooking the obvious place where it was posted.
> >
> >
> > --- In
HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com<HOPE_in_Hyattsville%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Bart Lawrence <BARTKATHLEEN@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > How odd! Did you all read article 39? It states the following:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Art. 39. That the manner of administering an oath or affirmation to any
> > person, ought to be such as those of the religious persuasion, profession,
> > or denomination, of which he is a member, generally esteem the most
> > effectual confirmation by the attestation of the Divine Being or Divine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To:
HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com<HOPE_in_Hyattsville%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > From: tcr25@
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:56:08 +0000
> > > Subject: [HOPE_in_Hyattsville] Re: MD one of a proud 7 states!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's articles 36 and 37 of the Maryland constitution --
> > http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/43const/html/00dec.html -- but they're
> > unenforceable thanks to the no religious test clause of the U.S.
> > Constitution (Article VI, section 3) and the 14th Amendment, as affirmed by
> > the Supreme Court in Torcaso v Watkins (367 U.S. 488 (1961)) ... which
> > specifically involved Maryland's religious test ...
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins
> > >
> > > - Carter
> > >
> > > --- In
HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com<HOPE_in_Hyattsville%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Rumi Matsuyama <rumipumi@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if anyone has tried to actually enforce this here in MD
> > against a
> > > > non-believer running for office? Regarding the Asheville case: "Legal
> > > > experts though say the U.S. Constitution overules the state
> > constitution
> > > > with a clause saying there will be no religious test for office." [
> > > > http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20091214/NEWS01/91214045]
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, how is this for rich irony: Religious Freedom Byway Would
> > > > Recognize Maryland's Historic
> > > > Role<
> >
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081504104.\
html
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Alexander <jexander@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow, I am shocked how amazingly unprogressive for such a progresive
> > state!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:11 AM, JavChris2@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That is outrageous! Honestly, in 2009?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mind you, my partner of nearly 12 years and I are the proud parents
> > of a
> > > > > happy, healthy, 3-yr-old daughter and in Maryland and most everywhere
> > else
> > > > > in the U.S. of A. we are unable to legally marry so I shouldn't be
> > > > > surprised.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Salazar
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > *From: * Dwight Holmes <dwightrholmes@>
> > > > > *Date: *Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:41:35 -0500
> > > > > *To:
*hope_in_hyattsville<HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com<HOPE_in_Hyattsville%40y\
ahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > > *Subject: *[HOPE_in_Hyattsville] MD one of a proud 7 states!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Learned on Rachel Maddow tonight that my state, Maryland, is one of 7
> > > > > proud states in the U.S. of A that has legal or constitutional
> > > > > provisions prohibiting non-believers from holding public office. This
> > > > > is the only thing that has ever tempted me to run.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is friggin' outrageous. How can this be?
> > > > >
> > > > > The case discussed on Rachel's program has to do with a guy who was
> > > > > just elected to the Asheville NC city council. His choosing the
> > > > > "solemn affirmation" mode of swearing-in (rather than "so help me
> > > > > god") set off some red flags among the members of the Asheville
> > > > > community who apparently don't appreciate that the freedom... of
> > > > > religion we so proudly celebrate is a two-way street. freedom from,
> > as
> > > > > well as freedom of.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >__________________________________________________________
> > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.
> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> votes while saving lives requires 60?
>
> Sign the petition at: http://StopSenateStalling.com
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Please have a look at the message from the Police Department pasted below...

Issued by The National Weather Service
Baltimore/Washington, MD
1:48 pm EST, Thu., Dec. 17, 2009

... WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STERLING VIRGINIA HAS ISSUED A WINTER STORM WATCH... IN EFFECT FROM LATE FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH LATE SATURDAY NIGHT.

* PRECIP TYPE... SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS... HEAVY SNOW WITH ACCUMULATIONS GREATER THAN 5 INCHES.

* TIMING... SNOW WILL BEGIN LATE FRIDAY NIGHT AND WILL CONTINUE THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING.

* TEMPERATURES... UPPER 20S TO LOWER 30S THROUGH THE EVENT.

* WINDS... 10 TO 20 MPH THROUGH THE EVENT... WITH GUSTS OF 25 TO 30 MPH SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT SNOW THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL. CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS.

To sign up for free alerts from the Hyattsville Police Department go to www.safecityhyattsville.org.

Matt M.

I very rarely feel the desire to defend Verizon, but I will say that
I've been through two FIOS installs (different houses) and both times
was met with a very good tech who worked many hours to make sure
everything was working for us.  It's clear that they spend some time
training the FIOS techs.

Also, the speed is great.  I'm currently able to download a 3.1
megabyte file in one second.  I loved Speakeasy DSL, but I'm now
paying half the cost for more than four times the speed.

-kpd

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Flawn Williams <flawn@...> wrote:
> We switched over from Verizon DSL to FIOS a couple of months ago. The
> transition was poorly handled--Verizon's crews left us without any
> service for a day when they severed our copper line while installing
> the fiber--but when the dust settled, we had real-life big-file
> download speeds 30 times faster than DSL, and (important for us
> content producers) real-life upload speeds 100 times faster than our
> basic DSL. Added about $20-25 per month to our bill.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Shop at People's Supply - www.peoplessupply.com - Forget the big box stores -
support a local business with ties to the community!  All your
hardware/tool/lumber needs!
>
> Visit http://hyattsvillewiki.com for information about the City of
Hyattsville!Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

We switched over from Verizon DSL to FIOS a couple of months ago. The
transition was poorly handled--Verizon's crews left us without any
service for a day when they severed our copper line while installing
the fiber--but when the dust settled, we had real-life big-file
download speeds 30 times faster than DSL, and (important for us
content producers) real-life upload speeds 100 times faster than our
basic DSL. Added about $20-25 per month to our bill.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Locking your car door does not often help, it only gets your car window broken. 
I've had this happen to a friend who had her door locked.  Please be careful.

--- In HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, Irene Marsh <irene36@...> wrote:
>
> AND our car doors should be locked at ALL times.
>
>
> mdm273psuedu wrote:
> >
> > Please have a look at the message from the Police Department pasted
> > below...
> >
> >     On Sunday and Monday this week, we took reports of purses being
> >     stolen from vehicles while the victims were either pumping gas or
> >     inside the convenience store at the Shell station located at 5398
> >     Queens Chapel Road.
> >
> >     We have had several similar incidents in this area and urge
> >     citizens to keep their purses with them when leaving the vehicle �
> >     even if just to pump gas. If anyone has information which may be
> >     helpful in our investigation of these cases, please contact the
> >     Hyattsville City Police Department at 301-985-5060.
> >
> > Also, I saw THIS
> >
<http://www.examiner.com/x-21182-DC-Crime-Examiner%7Ey2009m12d14-Police-officers\
-gun-stolen-in-Hyattsville>
> > headline yesterday that stated a DC Police Officer had her gun stolen
> > at this same Shell station. If you frequent that station, keep your
> > valuables with you.
> >
> > To sign up for free alerts from the Hyattsville Police Department go
> > to www.safecityhyattsville.org <http://www.safecityhyattsville.org/>.
> >
> > Matt M.
> >
> >
> > */_Matthew D. McKnight_/*
> > Hyattsville City Council � Ward 3
> > 4013 Oglethorpe Street � Hyattsville, Maryland 20782
> > mmcknight@... <mailto:mmcknight@...> �
> > 301-277-2320
> >
>

Good info to have.
--Sara

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Steve Markham <gsmarkham@...> wrote:

I strongly urge for anyone who knows of a dog who is kept chained outside all of
the time OR most of the time to report the owners to animal control.  This is
animal cruelty.  I have seen dogs kept outside even as the temperature drops. 
You can remain anonymous when you call.

Their phone number is 301-780-7200.

AND our car doors should be locked at ALL times.


mdm273psuedu wrote:
>
> Please have a look at the message from the Police Department pasted
> below...
>
>     On Sunday and Monday this week, we took reports of purses being
>     stolen from vehicles while the victims were either pumping gas or
>     inside the convenience store at the Shell station located at 5398
>     Queens Chapel Road.
>
>     We have had several similar incidents in this area and urge
>     citizens to keep their purses with them when leaving the vehicle –
>     even if just to pump gas. If anyone has information which may be
>     helpful in our investigation of these cases, please contact the
>     Hyattsville City Police Department at 301-985-5060.
>
> Also, I saw THIS
>
<http://www.examiner.com/x-21182-DC-Crime-Examiner%7Ey2009m12d14-Police-officers\
-gun-stolen-in-Hyattsville>
> headline yesterday that stated a DC Police Officer had her gun stolen
> at this same Shell station. If you frequent that station, keep your
> valuables with you.
>
> To sign up for free alerts from the Hyattsville Police Department go
> to www.safecityhyattsville.org <http://www.safecityhyattsville.org/>.
>
> Matt M.
>
>
> */_Matthew D. McKnight_/*
> Hyattsville City Council • Ward 3
> 4013 Oglethorpe Street • Hyattsville, Maryland 20782
> mmcknight@... <mailto:mmcknight@...> •
> 301-277-2320
>

Hopies -

My good friend and her family are posted in Mali on a USAID assignment, and are
planning a trip  back to DC Jan. 3-10. They're looking for a place to stay and
would be interested in doing some house/plant/petsitting during that time.
Family is two exceedingly responsible adults (I've known them both for 10+
years) and two kiddos, ages 4 & 2. If you know of anything, please email me
offline. Thanks so much.

Cheers,
Jen Hanna

Please have a look at the message from the Police Department pasted below...

On Sunday and Monday this week, we took reports of purses being stolen from vehicles while the victims were either pumping gas or inside the convenience store at the Shell station located at 5398 Queens Chapel Road.

We have had several similar incidents in this area and urge citizens to keep their purses with them when leaving the vehicle – even if just to pump gas. If anyone has information which may be helpful in our investigation of these cases, please contact the Hyattsville City Police Department at 301-985-5060.

Also, I saw THIS headline yesterday that stated a DC Police Officer had her gun stolen at this same Shell station. If you frequent that station, keep your valuables with you.

To sign up for free alerts from the Hyattsville Police Department go to www.safecityhyattsville.org.

Matt M.

Winter Delivery Market Headlines
The order deadline has been extended to Friday @ Noon for most vendors. Check
with the individual vendors for details.
The following vendors will have some products available for purchase, even if
you didn't order ahead of time:
Groff's Content Farm
Ole Pioneer Kitchen
Nice Farms Creamery
Stone Hearth Bakery
Thank God It's Fresh is done for the season. We'll miss them but they'll be back
in late Spring, depending on the weather.

The pickup will be every other week from 10am to Noon on Saturday. The trial
period for this plan will be 90 days from the first delivery date of December 5,
2009. The schedule will run as follows:
·         December 19, 2009                      Order by Friday, December 18 at
Noon
·         January 2, 2010                           Order by Friday, January 1
at Noon
·         January 16, 2010                         Order by Friday, January 15
at Noon
·         January 30, 2010                         Order by Friday, January 29
at Noon
·         February 13, 2010                        Order by Friday, February 12
at Noon
·         February 27, 2010                        Order by Friday, February 26
at Noon
·         March 13, 2010                            Order by Friday, March 12 at
Noon
·         March 27, 2010                            Order by Friday, March 26 at
Noon

Here are the vendors' contact info for ease of ordering:

Groff's Content Farm
301-447-6148
http://www.groffscontentfarm.com
jtbolton1958@...

Neopol Savory Smokery
Dorian Brown & Barbara Lahnstein
410-433-7700
http://www.neopolsmokery.com/menu_files/cateringmenu2009.pdf
neopoldsb@...

Stone Hearth Bakery
301-662-2338
Pablo Montano

In A Pickle
Jason
4102370147
inapickleco@...

Ole Pioneer's Kitchen
Grace Brock, Ole Pioneer Kitchen
Sausages & Pastas
Phone: (703) 938-0505; Fax: (703) 268-5032
info@...

Dmitri Olive Farms
443-834-0707 (U.S.A.)
http://www.dimitriolivefarms.com
greeksuperfoods@...
Olive Oil Prices
1 Gallon                           $45
3 L Can                           $38
.5 Gallon                          $25
1 L bottle                         $20
750 ml Can                       $15
8 oz. bottle                      $10
5 oz. bottle                      $5

Zeke's Coffee
phone:  443-992-4388
fax:  410-444-0264

Nice Farms Creamery
Bob & Carol Miller
www.nicefarmscreamery.com
nicefarmscreamery@...
410-829-4456
Price List
1/2 gallon pasture fed creamline whole milk-    $3.50
Quarts of yogurt (plain, vanilla, and fruit)-      $4.00
8 oz cups of vanilla or fruit yogurt-                $1.50
pint of chocolate milk-                                 $2.00

Mystic Water Soaps
Michelle Burns
Tel: 240-396-6831
E-mail: michelle@...
Web: Mystic Water Soap

All orders must be submitted by Friday @ Noon for most vendors to be included in
that week's Saturday morning order. Check with the individual vendor for
details.

Order minimum is $10 per vendor. This minimum amount may be lowered by the
individual vendor at their discretion.

Each vendor is responsible for coming up with their own delivery price list and
available items for delivery.

Each individual vendor will determine if preorders need to be prepaid or not
before pickup.

It is up to the vendor's discretion that the number of orders meets their
criteria for delivery at Town Center. However, during the trial period, the
vendors will be encouraged to come every week for the first month of the trial
period to stimulate demand.

When a vendor is unable to get to Town Center for delivery, each effected
pending order customer must be contacted to preserve the integrity of the
vendor-customer relationship.

Products will be held for customers for the first ninety minutes of the delivery
period. Once the holding period is over, products will be available for sale to
other customers.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

This, "Nothing shall prohibit or require the making reference to belief in,
reliance upon, or invoking the aid of God or a Supreme Being in any governmental
or public document, proceeding, activity, ceremony, school, institution, or
place.", seems to me to be the most relevant to the current discussion.

While it may seem shocking to a number of people, that the writers of that law
presumed everyone's belief in God, it was not shocking at the time it was
written.


--- In HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Alexander <jexander@...>
wrote:
>
> Well thank god for the federal constitution!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 2:28 PM, "fuzzyphuzzy" <fuzzyphuzzy@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, nevermind. I just saw the message with the pertinent info. re. the Rachel
Maddow show.
>
> ps. I knew Divine was from Towson.
>
> --- In HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, Rumi Matsuyama <rumipumi@> wrote:
> >
> > Divine is from Towson! who knew?
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Bart Lawrence <BARTKATHLEEN@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > How odd! Did you all read article 39? It states the following:
> > >
> > > *Art. 39.* That the manner of administering an oath or affirmation to any
> > > person, ought to be such as those of the religious persuasion, profession,
> > > or denomination, of which he is a member, generally esteem the most
> > > effectual confirmation by the attestation of the Divine Being or
Divine<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7AX3eTt9cg&feature=related>
> > > .
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > To: HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: tcr25@
> > > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:56:08 +0000
> > > Subject: [HOPE_in_Hyattsville] Re: MD one of a proud 7 states!
> > >
> > >
> > > It's articles 36 and 37 of the Maryland constitution --
> > > http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/43const/html/00dec.html -- but they're
> > > unenforceable thanks to the no religious test clause of the U.S.
> > > Constitution (Article VI, section 3) and the 14th Amendment, as affirmed
by
> > > the Supreme Court in Torcaso v Watkins (367 U.S. 488 (1961)) ... which
> > > specifically involved Maryland's religious test ...
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins
> > >
> > > - Carter
> > >
> > > --- In HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, Rumi Matsuyama <rumipumi@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if anyone has tried to actually enforce this here in MD against
> > > a
> > > > non-believer running for office? Regarding the Asheville case: "Legal
> > > > experts though say the U.S. Constitution overules the state constitution
> > > > with a clause saying there will be no religious test for office." [
> > > > http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20091214/NEWS01/91214045]
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, how is this for rich irony: Religious Freedom Byway Would
> > > > Recognize Maryland's Historic
> > > > Role<
> > >
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081504104.\
html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Alexander <jexander@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow, I am shocked how amazingly unprogressive for such a progresive
> > > state!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:11 AM, JavChris2@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That is outrageous! Honestly, in 2009?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mind you, my partner of nearly 12 years and I are the proud parents of
> > > a
> > > > > happy, healthy, 3-yr-old daughter and in Maryland and most everywhere
> > > else
> > > > > in the U.S. of A. we are unable to legally marry so I shouldn't be
> > > > > surprised.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Salazar
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > *From: * Dwight Holmes <dwightrholmes@>
> > > > > *Date: *Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:41:35 -0500
> > > > > *To: *hope_in_hyattsville<HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > *Subject: *[HOPE_in_Hyattsville] MD one of a proud 7 states!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Learned on Rachel Maddow tonight that my state, Maryland, is one of 7
> > > > > proud states in the U.S. of A that has legal or constitutional
> > > > > provisions prohibiting non-believers from holding public office. This
> > > > > is the only thing that has ever tempted me to run.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is friggin' outrageous. How can this be?
> > > > >
> > > > > The case discussed on Rachel's program has to do with a guy who was
> > > > > just elected to the Asheville NC city council. His choosing the
> > > > > "solemn affirmation" mode of swearing-in (rather than "so help me
> > > > > god") set off some red flags among the members of the Asheville
> > > > > community who apparently don't appreciate that the freedom... of
> > > > > religion we so proudly celebrate is a two-way street. freedom from, as
> > > > > well as freedom of.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up
now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

 

Oh, nevermind. I just saw the message with the pertinent info. re. the Rachel Maddow show.

ps. I knew Divine was from Towson.

--- In HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, Rumi Matsuyama <rumipumi@...> wrote:
>
> Divine is from Towson! who knew?
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Bart Lawrence <BARTKATHLEEN@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > How odd! Did you all read article 39? It states the following:
> >
> > *Art. 39.* That the manner of administering an oath or affirmation to any
> > person, ought to be such as those of the religious persuasion, profession,
> > or denomination, of which he is a member, generally esteem the most
> > effectual confirmation by the attestation of the Divine Being or Divine<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7AX3eTt9cg&feature=related>
> > .
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com
> > From: tcr25@...
> > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:56:08 +0000
> > Subject: [HOPE_in_Hyattsville] Re: MD one of a proud 7 states!
> >
> >
> > It's articles 36 and 37 of the Maryland constitution --
> > http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/43const/html/00dec.html -- but they're
> > unenforceable thanks to the no religious test clause of the U.S.
> > Constitution (Article VI, section 3) and the 14th Amendment, as affirmed by
> > the Supreme Court in Torcaso v Watkins (367 U.S. 488 (1961)) ... which
> > specifically involved Maryland's religious test ...
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins
> >
> > - Carter
> >
> > --- In HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, Rumi Matsuyama <rumipumi@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if anyone has tried to actually enforce this here in MD against
> > a
> > > non-believer running for office? Regarding the Asheville case: "Legal
> > > experts though say the U.S. Constitution overules the state constitution
> > > with a clause saying there will be no religious test for office." [
> > > http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20091214/NEWS01/91214045]
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, how is this for rich irony: Religious Freedom Byway Would
> > > Recognize Maryland's Historic
> > > Role<
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081504104.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Alexander <jexander@>wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow, I am shocked how amazingly unprogressive for such a progresive
> > state!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:11 AM, JavChris2@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That is outrageous! Honestly, in 2009?
> > > >
> > > > Mind you, my partner of nearly 12 years and I are the proud parents of
> > a
> > > > happy, healthy, 3-yr-old daughter and in Maryland and most everywhere
> > else
> > > > in the U.S. of A. we are unable to legally marry so I shouldn't be
> > > > surprised.
> > > >
> > > > C. Salazar
> > > >
> > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > *From: * Dwight Holmes <dwightrholmes@>
> > > > *Date: *Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:41:35 -0500
> > > > *To: *hope_in_hyattsville<HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > *Subject: *[HOPE_in_Hyattsville] MD one of a proud 7 states!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Learned on Rachel Maddow tonight that my state, Maryland, is one of 7
> > > > proud states in the U.S. of A that has legal or constitutional
> > > > provisions prohibiting non-believers from holding public office. This
> > > > is the only thing that has ever tempted me to run.
> > > >
> > > > This is friggin' outrageous. How can this be?
> > > >
> > > > The case discussed on Rachel's program has to do with a guy who was
> > > > just elected to the Asheville NC city council. His choosing the
> > > > "solemn affirmation" mode of swearing-in (rather than "so help me
> > > > god") set off some red flags among the members of the Asheville
> > > > community who apparently don't appreciate that the freedom... of
> > > > religion we so proudly celebrate is a two-way street. freedom from, as
> > > > well as freedom of.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>

It kinda just strikes me as describing how an oath should be administered. And
probably at the time that this was made law, most would have preferred to make
an oath to the diety of their choice.

What is this test that is being mentioned all about? Sorry, I'm probably
overlooking the obvious place where it was posted.

--- In HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lawrence <BARTKATHLEEN@...>
wrote:
>
>
> How odd! Did you all read article 39? It states the following:
>
>
>
> Art. 39. That the manner of administering an oath or affirmation to any
person, ought to be such as those of the religious persuasion, profession, or
denomination, of which he is a member, generally esteem the most effectual
confirmation by the attestation of the Divine Being or Divine.
>
>
>
> To: HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com
> From: tcr25@...
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:56:08 +0000
> Subject: [HOPE_in_Hyattsville] Re: MD one of a proud 7 states!
>
>
>
>
>
> It's articles 36 and 37 of the Maryland constitution --
http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/mdmanual/43const/html/00dec.html -- but they're
unenforceable thanks to the no religious test clause of the U.S. Constitution
(Article VI, section 3) and the 14th Amendment, as affirmed by the Supreme Court
in Torcaso v Watkins (367 U.S. 488 (1961)) ... which specifically involved
Maryland's religious test ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins
>
> - Carter
>
> --- In HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com, Rumi Matsuyama <rumipumi@> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if anyone has tried to actually enforce this here in MD against a
> > non-believer running for office? Regarding the Asheville case: "Legal
> > experts though say the U.S. Constitution overules the state constitution
> > with a clause saying there will be no religious test for office." [
> > http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20091214/NEWS01/91214045]
> >
> > Meanwhile, how is this for rich irony: Religious Freedom Byway Would
> > Recognize Maryland's Historic
> >
Role<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR200808150\
4104.html>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Alexander <jexander@>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow, I am shocked how amazingly unprogressive for such a progresive state!
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:11 AM, JavChris2@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That is outrageous! Honestly, in 2009?
> > >
> > > Mind you, my partner of nearly 12 years and I are the proud parents of a
> > > happy, healthy, 3-yr-old daughter and in Maryland and most everywhere else
> > > in the U.S. of A. we are unable to legally marry so I shouldn't be
> > > surprised.
> > >
> > > C. Salazar
> > >
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From: * Dwight Holmes <dwightrholmes@>
> > > *Date: *Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:41:35 -0500
> > > *To: *hope_in_hyattsville<HOPE_in_Hyattsville@yahoogroups.com>
> > > *Subject: *[HOPE_in_Hyattsville] MD one of a proud 7 states!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Learned on Rachel Maddow tonight that my state, Maryland, is one of 7
> > > proud states in the U.S. of A that has legal or constitutional
> > > provisions prohibiting non-believers from holding public office. This
> > > is the only thing that has ever tempted me to run.
> > >
> > > This is friggin' outrageous. How can this be?
> > >
> > > The case discussed on Rachel's program has to do with a guy who was
> > > just elected to the Asheville NC city council. His choosing the
> > > "solemn affirmation" mode of swearing-in (rather than "so help me
> > > god") set off some red flags among the members of the Asheville
> > > community who apparently don't appreciate that the freedom... of
> > > religion we so proudly celebrate is a two-way street. freedom from, as
> > > well as freedom of.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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