Someone told me that Comcast HD is 480p only, or that there was some
other sort of data limiting used by Comcast to fit it through the
pipe - is this true?

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "bluesand_9999" <hongcho0@h...>
wrote:
> ...snip...
> The outputs of component and HDMI are mutually exclusive.  I didn't
> quite get it about the composite and S-Video (they can be on
> simultaneously, but I am not sure with either component or HDMI).
> ...snip...
> Hong.

Glad everyone enjoyed themselves, and hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

I can't make it a habit of answering questions about the product, as
it is still in development.  The meeting last week was a special
event.   ;)

I did want to clarify the 'output' question, as I know it was a bit
confusing at the meeting (sorry about that).  As Hong states, the HDMI
and component outs are mutually exclusive...you choose one or the
other, not both.

The composite and S-Video outputs are only available in 480i mode.

Someone pointed out that simultaneous output would be needed in order
to back things up to a standard def vcr.  This is supported by using
the remote to switch to 480i mode.  In that mode you can have S-Video,
composite, and either HDMI or component outs.

Cheers,
Bob Pony

That's totally wrong.  Comcast passes on whatever resolution the station is
broadcasting in (1080i or 720p).  And from what I've read in this group and on
the AVS, Comcast does not do any compression from their end, where as DirecTV is
known to sometimes "overly" compress their HD channels.

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Chris Kast wrote:

> That's totally wrong.  Comcast passes on whatever resolution the
> station is broadcasting in (1080i or 720p).  And from what I've read
> in this group and on the AVS, Comcast does not do any compression from
> their end, where as DirecTV is known to sometimes "overly" compress
> their HD channels.

Comcast isn't simply passing through the network feeds, that much is
certain.  I don't know where the additional compression is taking place,
but if it's not at Comcast then the affiliate is doing something with
the feed before it gets to Comcast.  There is a significant difference
between the network feeds and what I'm seeing on Comcast, even at 720p.

R8der

If the upcoming HDTIVO has four tuners but can only use two at a time
what the point in having four? I would at the very lest expect to be
able to use any three at a time:

1. Record dbs
2. Record OTA
3. Watch OTA or dbs

Or did I misunderstand what was said?

Cheers

There may be some compression being applied but while I watched parts
of a Harry Potter movie on HBO last night it looked and sounded great.
I was especially impressed by the sound as I was curious as to how
well the Comcast box would handle 5.1 material. I wish I could a-b the
Comcast feed with the Directv feed but Directv sends the east coast
feed of HBO-HD while the Comcast is west coast.  While watching Alias
it didn't seem the picture was as detailed as it should have been
although on close-ups it was great. It's almost like some of it was
shot in HD and some in scaled SD.

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "j_lundergard"
<chris_schoenfeld@y...> wrote:
> Someone told me that Comcast HD is 480p only, or that there was some
> other sort of data limiting used by Comcast to fit it through the
> pipe - is this true?

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "j_lundergard"
<chris_schoenfeld@y...> wrote:
> Someone told me that Comcast HD is 480p only, or that there was
some
> other sort of data limiting used by Comcast to fit it through the
> pipe - is this true?

You have an option to set up the DTC5100 to output all non HD as 480p
if you want.
I'm not sure where you got the 480p only.  The HD offerings I get are
at 1080i.

a_friend101 wrote:

> If the upcoming HDTIVO has four tuners but can only use two at a time
> what the point in having four? I would at the very lest expect to be
> able to use any three at a time:
>
> 1. Record dbs
> 2. Record OTA
> 3. Watch OTA or dbs
>
> Or did I misunderstand what was said?
>
> Cheers
>

You mis-understand.  There are two different types of tuners.  two for
Directv and two for OTA and you can record two programs at the same time from
any combination of the four tuners.  The HDTivo is basically the same as a
regular Tivo except they have added HD capability.  They have not added the
capability of recording three channels at once just two like the other
Tivos.  If you need to record more than two programs at one time then you
need 2 Tivo units.

Chris

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Whew thats a relief!
I just ordered it yay!

Thanks!

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Kast" <chris.kast@d...>
wrote:
> That's totally wrong.  Comcast passes on whatever resolution the
station is broadcasting in (1080i or 720p).  And from what I've read
in this group and on the AVS, Comcast does not do any compression
from their end, where as DirecTV is known to sometimes "overly"
compress their HD channels.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: j_lundergard [mailto:chris_schoenfeld@y...]
> Sent: Mon 12/1/2003 2:42 AM
> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
> Cc:
> Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Comcast 480p only?
>
>
>
>  Someone told me that Comcast HD is 480p only, or that there
was some
>  other sort of data limiting used by Comcast to fit it through
the
>  pipe - is this true?
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> > If the upcoming HDTIVO has four tuners but can only use two at a time
> > what the point in having four? I would at the very lest expect to be
> > able to use any three at a time:
> >
> > 1. Record dbs
> > 2. Record OTA
> > 3. Watch OTA or dbs
> >
> > Or did I misunderstand what was said?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>
> You mis-understand.  There are two different types of tuners.  two for
> Directv and two for OTA and you can record two programs at the same time from
> any combination of the four tuners.  The HDTivo is basically the same as a
> regular Tivo except they have added HD capability.  They have not added the
> capability of recording three channels at once just two like the other
> Tivos.  If you need to record more than two programs at one time then you
> need 2 Tivo units.


There's another point people not familiar with TiVo may not understand. When the
two active tuners are recording, a previously recorded show can also be watched.
It's not being tuned, just being decoded. A virtual third tuner of sorts. It can
be hard to catch up to what's recorded at that rate. ;-) Heck, I have about
10hour waiting for me right now.

My current series 1 becomes slow to respond to commands with this scenario. But
is completely usable.


DL

R8der wrote:

> Comcast isn't simply passing through the network feeds, that much is
> certain.  I don't know where the additional compression is taking place,
> but if it's not at Comcast then the affiliate is doing something with
> the feed before it gets to Comcast.  There is a significant difference
> between the network feeds and what I'm seeing on Comcast, even at 720p.

Comcast gets the exact same signal that is feeding the KGO channel 24
transmitter.  They're definitely playing with the feed though, because
they're removing 7.2 (and 7.3 when it's on there).

Larry
SF

Larry Kenney wrote:

> R8der wrote:
>
> > Comcast isn't simply passing through the network feeds, that much is
> > certain.  I don't know where the additional compression is taking
> place,
> > but if it's not at Comcast then the affiliate is doing something with
> > the feed before it gets to Comcast.  There is a significant difference
> > between the network feeds and what I'm seeing on Comcast, even at 720p.
>
> Comcast gets the exact same signal that is feeding the KGO channel 24
> transmitter.  They're definitely playing with the feed though, because
> they're removing 7.2 (and 7.3 when it's on there).
>
Then Comcast is doing something negative with the feed before they send
it out.  The signal looks worse via Comcast than it does from the local
ABC from Sac.  I don't normally watch KGO unless the Sac affiliate is
having problems, but I turned it on last week and it looked fine.  The
Comcast version always has some pixelization.....and to my trained eye
it's nearly unwatchable.  Those of us who have been watching before
multicasting was a gleam in the network executives eyes aren't going to
like the future PQ.....it seems to constantly be eroding.

R8der

-----Original Message-----
From: hyy55 [mailto:hyy55@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 4:31 PM
To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: HDTivo meeting

--- jet <jet@...> wrote:
> At 8:47 -0800 2003/11/27, hyy55 wrote:
> >I am more interested in DirectTV than cable but in
> my
> >area, I can't get OTA easily (I'd have to fight my
> >townhouse HOA, which has already nixed the 4228 on
> the
> >roof).
>
> Are they in compliance with the FCC ruling with
> their refusal?

As I read the FCC and their bylaws, there's a rule
about antennas over a meter in diameter.  The 4228 is
just over that.

>
> >Plus I hear enough stories about OTA problems
> >on this list, while the Comcast HD channels have
> been
> >pretty reliable.
>
> I think it depends on where you live.  I had
> horrible reception with rabbit ears, but a channel
> master 3010 (without an amp) on the roof gets me
> solid reception of most channels.

I'm in the South Bay, about 40-50 miles from Sutro,
with a cluster of tall buildings (over 10 stories) in
my path to Sutro.

But I'm not just talking about reception.  The last
couple of football games, there were apparently
problems on OTA and yet, it was flawless on Comcast.

>
> >But all I'm getting on D* for HDTV content is HBO
> and
> >there's no way I'm paying $11 for their HD package
>
> Do you get the Showtime HD channel, or do you not
> have Showtime?

No the only premium on D* for me is HBO, which gets me
HBO-HD.  However, I do get Showtime HD on Comcast (for
however long that might be).

The 4 HD channels for $11 a month is a lousy deal, at
least for someone who'd only watch ESPN HD regularly.

Now if they added at least Bravo HD and a couple of
other cable HD channels (whichever those may be), then
I might entertain it.  If they added locals in HD or
at least the national feeds of all the broadcast
networks (including Fox, WB and even UPN), then it
would be a no-brainer.

Both cable and satellite services could be offering
way more HD content and services.  With HD Tivo, D*
will have a leg up.  But although HDTV owners have
taken to OTA, I think it's a bigger bar than people
might realize because people who've been paying for
cable or satellite for many years just aren't in the
mindset of OTA.

D* would have a much more compelling HDTV offering if
they could offer a one-stop service for HD content and
PVR, all though a simple installation.  The way they
do with SD content.  If and when HDTV becomes a bigger
market force, maybe they'll look harder at using the
new bandwidth which is supposedly coming online for HD content.

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I'm scheduled for a Comcast tech to "install" my HDTV box next Tuesday.
I'm a little tight on space, and the setup guide makes a big deal about
this box having enough airspace around it, but it doesn't give the box's
dimensions.

Would somebody who has one please measure the height (with feet) and
width and let me know?  That way I can be ready when the tech shows up.

Thanks,

--

    E Frank Ball                frankb@...

-----Original Message-----
From: E Frank Ball [mailto:frankb@...]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:11 PM
To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Motorola DCT5100 (Comcast)

I'm scheduled for a Comcast tech to "install" my HDTV box next Tuesday.
I'm a little tight on space, and the setup guide makes a big deal about
this box having enough airspace around it, but it doesn't give the box's
dimensions.

Would somebody who has one please measure the height (with feet) and
width and let me know?  That way I can be ready when the tech shows up.

Thanks,

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I read somewhere that the typical scenerio for delivering HD via
cable is to limit the original stream slightly.  Cable uses QAM
streams which has a bandwidth of around 33Mbit/sec(I'm not sure of
the exact numbers but it's around 30Mb/s).  The OTA signal can go
upto 19.2Mbit/s.  At that rate only one HD OTA stream can fit in a
QAM stream.  So to get 2 OTA streams on one QAM stream, they limit
the bandwith to around 15Mbit/s.  Supposely, in reality the OTA
stream rarely goes above 15Mb/s.

I can't remember where I say the article but a search of google
should turn it up.

Cheers,
Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Saxby [mailto:dave@...]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Motorola DCT5100 (Comcast)

Frank - it's about 2 3/4" high, 13 1/2" deep, and 17" wide. I would only worry about keeping good clearance and/or air flow around the top (especially the back) of the box.

 

Hope this helps. -Dave

 

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From: E Frank Ball [mailto:frankb@...]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:11 PM
To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Motorola DCT5100 (Comcast)

I'm scheduled for a Comcast tech to "install" my HDTV box next Tuesday.
I'm a little tight on space, and the setup guide makes a big deal about
this box having enough airspace around it, but it doesn't give the box's
dimensions.

Would somebody who has one please measure the height (with feet) and
width and let me know?  That way I can be ready when the tech shows up.

Thanks,

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Emphatically NO!!!  Not from DishNetwork either, with the exception
of LA's CBS, if you qualify.

Bobby C

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Brad Simeral <bsimeral@n...>
wrote:
> I'm trying to help a friend get setup with HD over D*.
> We stopped by a retailer last weekend, and they implied that if you
get the
> SD feed for locals from NY or LA, then you will get the HD
versions. Is that
> true?
>
> -brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hyy55 [mailto:hyy55@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 4:31 PM
> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: HDTivo meeting
>
>
>
> --- jet <jet@s...> wrote:
> > At 8:47 -0800 2003/11/27, hyy55 wrote:
> > >I am more interested in DirectTV than cable but in
> > my
> > >area, I can't get OTA easily (I'd have to fight my
> > >townhouse HOA, which has already nixed the 4228 on
> > the
> > >roof).
> >
> > Are they in compliance with the FCC ruling with
> > their refusal?
>
> As I read the FCC and their bylaws, there's a rule
> about antennas over a meter in diameter.  The 4228 is
> just over that.
>
> >
> > >Plus I hear enough stories about OTA problems
> > >on this list, while the Comcast HD channels have
> > been
> > >pretty reliable.
> >
> > I think it depends on where you live.  I had
> > horrible reception with rabbit ears, but a channel
> > master 3010 (without an amp) on the roof gets me
> > solid reception of most channels.
>
> I'm in the South Bay, about 40-50 miles from Sutro,
> with a cluster of tall buildings (over 10 stories) in
> my path to Sutro.
>
> But I'm not just talking about reception.  The last
> couple of football games, there were apparently
> problems on OTA and yet, it was flawless on Comcast.
>
> >
> > >But all I'm getting on D* for HDTV content is HBO
> > and
> > >there's no way I'm paying $11 for their HD package
> >
> > Do you get the Showtime HD channel, or do you not
> > have Showtime?
>
> No the only premium on D* for me is HBO, which gets me
> HBO-HD.  However, I do get Showtime HD on Comcast (for
> however long that might be).
>
> The 4 HD channels for $11 a month is a lousy deal, at
> least for someone who'd only watch ESPN HD regularly.
>
> Now if they added at least Bravo HD and a couple of
> other cable HD channels (whichever those may be), then
> I might entertain it.  If they added locals in HD or
> at least the national feeds of all the broadcast
> networks (including Fox, WB and even UPN), then it
> would be a no-brainer.
>
> Both cable and satellite services could be offering
> way more HD content and services.  With HD Tivo, D*
> will have a leg up.  But although HDTV owners have
> taken to OTA, I think it's a bigger bar than people
> might realize because people who've been paying for
> cable or satellite for many years just aren't in the
> mindset of OTA.
>
> D* would have a much more compelling HDTV offering if
> they could offer a one-stop service for HD content and
> PVR, all though a simple installation.  The way they
> do with SD content.  If and when HDTV becomes a bigger
> market force, maybe they'll look harder at using the
> new bandwidth which is supposedly coming online for HD content.
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I wonder if this problem is specific to your area or
your head-end.  I have yet to see anything other than
the once in a blue moon bit of pixelization on KGO or
any of the other HD channels provided by comcast (save
for the Green Bay MNF game, which was a local
problem).  The exception was a period of about a week
and a half where I had relatively frequent drop-outs -
but that seems to have been corrected.

-Tim



> Then Comcast is doing something negative with the
> feed before they send
> it out.  The signal looks worse via Comcast than it
> does from the local
> ABC from Sac.  I don't normally watch KGO unless the
> Sac affiliate is
> having problems, but I turned it on last week and it
> looked fine.  The
> Comcast version always has some pixelization.....and
> to my trained eye
> it's nearly unwatchable.  Those of us who have been
> watching before
> multicasting was a gleam in the network executives
> eyes aren't going to
> like the future PQ.....it seems to constantly be
> eroding.
>
> R8der
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Does anyone get InHD with just basic cable?


--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, hyy55 <hyy55@y...> wrote:

> Well I got all the HDTV channels back, including HBO
> and Showtime, but not the InHD channels.

When you say "red hot" can you clarify that in relative terms?  I have
had mine about a week or so and it does not get any warmer than any
other piece of AV equipment. I put a laser temp gun on it and at the
area where the power supply is it reads about 97-98 degrees. Every
other spot has a cooler reading. And I leave mine on 24/7. I think
these boxes are really "on" all the time anyway, when you power it off
I think it just shuts down the front display.

You might have a bad power supply..
--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Crawley" <alan@c...> wrote:
> Mine gets red hot. I have to unplug it to cool it down, which I do
when I
> leave for a day or more  To not loose the guide, I have to leave the
> cabinets doors open when it is plugged in (although turned "off")
all day
> when everything else is off. Unit really needs a fan, but that would be
> noisy.  What you really want is the DVR box (DTC-6802). Ask about
that with
> the tech, see if he has seen any? We would love to know.
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Saxby [mailto:dave@u...]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:23 PM
> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Motorola DCT5100 (Comcast)
>
>
> Frank - it's about 2 3/4" high, 13 1/2" deep, and 17" wide. I would only
> worry about keeping good clearance and/or air flow around the top
> (especially the back) of the box.
>
> Hope this helps. -Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: E Frank Ball [mailto:frankb@e...]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:11 PM
> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Motorola DCT5100 (Comcast)
>
>
>
> I'm scheduled for a Comcast tech to "install" my HDTV box next Tuesday.
> I'm a little tight on space, and the setup guide makes a big deal about
> this box having enough airspace around it, but it doesn't give the box's
> dimensions.
>
> Would somebody who has one please measure the height (with feet) and
> width and let me know?  That way I can be ready when the tech shows up.
>
> Thanks,
>
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>
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Here in Sacramento, you get all HD basic channels with just standard basic
and the HD box rental.  The only things you don't get are HBO and
Showtime, which require a sub to their respective packages.

Jeff


>
>
> Does anyone get InHD with just basic cable?
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With basic cable at 15.82 in Santa Rosa and 5.00 for the HD I get:

KGO  on 184
KNTV on 184
ESPN on 193
SHO  on 198
HBO  on 197
KQED on 188

And 4 other KQED transmissions in SD. No INHD

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "fxper" <fxper@y...> wrote:
> Does anyone get InHD with just basic cable?
>
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> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, hyy55 <hyy55@y...> wrote:
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> > Well I got all the HDTV channels back, including HBO
> > and Showtime, but not the InHD channels.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Maestas

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:58 PM

Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Comcast 480p only?

I wonder if this problem is specific to your area or
your head-end.  I have yet to see anything other than
the once in a blue moon bit of pixelization on KGO or
any of the other HD channels provided by comcast (save
for the Green Bay MNF game, which was a local
problem).  The exception was a period of about a week
and a half where I had relatively frequent drop-outs -
but that seems to have been corrected.

At 1:02 +0000 2003/12/02, fxper wrote:
>Does anyone get InHD with just basic cable?

I didn't, nor did I get it with the basic HD package.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Alan Crawley

To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 3:49 PM

Subject: RE: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Motorola DCT5100 (Comcast)

Mine gets red hot. I have to unplug it to cool it down, which I do when I leave for a day or more  To not loose the guide, I have to leave the cabinets doors open when it is plugged in (although turned "off") all day when everything else is off. Unit really needs a fan, but that would be noisy.  What you really want is the DVR box (DTC-6802). Ask about that with the tech, see if he has seen any? We would love to know.

 

Mine doesn't get hot, either. Sounds like maybe Alan's unit is out of
spec.

There are several information-filled files about this unit at
http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/support/default.asp?SupportSecti
on=HomeEntertainment

- Bob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: keenan424 [mailto:keenan@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:05 PM
> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Motorola DCT5100 (Comcast)
>
>
> When you say "red hot" can you clarify that in relative terms?  I have
> had mine about a week or so and it does not get any warmer than any
> other piece of AV equipment. I put a laser temp gun on it and at the
> area where the power supply is it reads about 97-98 degrees. Every
> other spot has a cooler reading. And I leave mine on 24/7. I think
> these boxes are really "on" all the time anyway, when you power it off
> I think it just shuts down the front display.
>
> You might have a bad power supply..
> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Crawley"
> <alan@c...> wrote:
> > Mine gets red hot. I have to unplug it to cool it down, which I do
> when I
> > leave for a day or more  To not loose the guide, I have to leave the
> > cabinets doors open when it is plugged in (although turned "off")
> all day
> > when everything else is off. Unit really needs a fan, but
> that would be
> > noisy.  What you really want is the DVR box (DTC-6802). Ask about
> that with
> > the tech, see if he has seen any? We would love to know.
> > Alan
> >

As of today, I am no longer getting the INHD channels
either....I was yesterday...

-Tim

--- keenan424 <keenan@...> wrote:
> With basic cable at 15.82 in Santa Rosa and 5.00 for
> the HD I get:
>
> KGO  on 184
> KNTV on 184
> ESPN on 193
> SHO  on 198
> HBO  on 197
> KQED on 188
>
> And 4 other KQED transmissions in SD. No INHD
>
> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "fxper"
> <fxper@y...> wrote:
> > Does anyone get InHD with just basic cable?
> >
> >
> > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, hyy55
> <hyy55@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Well I got all the HDTV channels back, including
> HBO
> > > and Showtime, but not the InHD channels.
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: keenan424 [mailto:keenan@...]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:12 PM
To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Downgraded from Digital Plus to Basic

With basic cable at 15.82 in Santa Rosa and 5.00 for the HD I get:

KGO  on 184
KNTV on 184
ESPN on 193
SHO  on 198
HBO  on 197
KQED on 188

And 4 other KQED transmissions in SD. No INHD

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "fxper" <fxper@y...> wrote:
> Does anyone get InHD with just basic cable?
>
>
> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, hyy55 <hyy55@y...> wrote:
>
> > Well I got all the HDTV channels back, including HBO
> > and Showtime, but not the InHD channels.



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