--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kenney <Larry@...> wrote:
>
>  (snip)
> KRCB's coverage does not come south of the Golden Gate Bridge.  I
> can't even get it
>  with a CM4228 here in San Francisco, while I can get KFTY 50
> Santa Rosa and KTLN 68 Novato digital with no problem.

WITH my TERK HDTVi (indoors in W SJ) and a low noise amp (20db gain
@1db internal noise factor) KRCB comes in solid for several hours at a
time - under certain [weather?] conditions - while I have never seen
KTLN digital - just a very, very snowy analog signal on ch 68.

On a recent 'Add Channels' scan on the Sony. KTLN appeared in the
station list at/as ch 37.1 (I still have the KTLN stop showing at ch
68.1) Is this a glitch on/of the Sony or what? Still no Pic or sound
however!

...............................................
  On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Nick Sayer wrote:
>
> > >  I have a CM4228 and a Y5-7-13 both aimed northwest feeding a
> > CM7777 in Santa Clara. I really have the CM7777 because I have
> > about 7 different drops in the house, so I need to compensate for
> > all the splitters.
> >
> > > At the moment, I'm getting everything I have any sort of hope at
> > getting. It would be nice to be able to get KSBW (though I don't
> > have a rotor, so I'd have to get it off the back) and KRCB, but
> > it's just not happening. Oh well.
> >
>
>
     KRCB's coverage does not come south of the Golden Gate Bridge.  I
> can't even get it
>  with a CM4228 here in San Francisco, while I can get KFTY 50
> Santa Rosa and KTLN 68 Novato digital with no problem.
>
> > > But one thing that has me a bit concerned is the TVFool.com data
> > that suggests that KGO-TV's PT operation will be about 20 kW of
> > ERP. KNTV-DT is about 100 kW. Channel 7 is only 30 MHz lower than
> > channel 12... can that small frequency difference adequately
> > explain such a large difference in power level between the two? Am
> > I going to have any trouble picking up KGO after February?
> >
>
> > KNTV has one of the most powerful VHF digital transmitters in the
> > entire country.  It's in the top 10, from what I've heard.
> > Considering their height of 1237 feet above average terrain, they
> > will have one of the best signals post transition.  KGO-DT's 24 kw
> > on channel 7 is about average for that channel, but considering
> > their antenna location atop Sutro Tower, they will also have
> > excellent coverage.
> >
>
> > If you go to the FCC web site and look at the coverage maps for KGO
> > you'll see that their post transition coverage on channel 7 is
> > better than their present analog coverage on channel 7, and much
> > better than their digital coverage on channel 24.
> >
>
> > (To see the coverage maps for any of the Bay Area stations, go to
> > my channel listing at http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html and
> > click on the call letters.  They are linked to the station's
> > records on the FCC web site where you'll find full station
> > information including "Service Contour Map" links for each station.)
> >
>
> > Take a look at KRCB's coverage while you're there and you'll see
> > how small their coverage area is.
> >
> >
>
> > One way to see if you're going to get KGO-DT on channel 7 is to see
> > what you get for a picture for KGO-TV analog on 7.  They'll be
> > transmitting from the same antenna, and the 24 kw digital is
> > slightly better than the 316 kw analog.  If the analog picture is
> > clear, without ghosts or snow, you should have no problem with KGO-
> > DT on channel 7.  However, if you have poor analog reception,
> > you'll probably have problems with the digital signal too.
> >
>
> > Larry
> >
>
> > SF
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> >
>

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kenney <Larry@...> wrote:
>
> On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Nick Sayer wrote:

> >
> > > At the moment, I'm getting everything I have any sort of hope at
> > getting. It would be nice to be able to get KSBW (though I don't
> > have a rotor, so I'd have to get it off the back) and KRCB, but
> > it's just not happening. Oh well.
> >

>
>     KRCB's coverage does not come south of the Golden Gate Bridge.  I
> can't even get it
>     with a CM4228 here in San Francisco, while I can get KFTY 50
> Santa Rosa and
>     KTLN 68 Novato digital with no problem.

What gives me some hope is that the current temporary DT transmission from KRCB
is
puny, but the contour map that the FCC site gives for their PT operation's
application goes
all the way down to Fremont. It's conceivable that my 4228 might be able to eek
out
something acceptable. I'd love to get a glimpse of the Annenberg channel on
23.2. I've
never seen a thing from KFTY, but we do get just enough from KTLN-DT for
full-time
reception (though oddly enough EyeTV doesn't seem to know who they are and shows
a
PSIP of 67, which seems wrong to me).

On the analog side, currently it appears that we're receiving a glimmer of KRCB,
but it's
getting stomped by KAXT. PT it appears that they're actually moving north out of
range.
Personally, I'd consider trading KAXT for KRCB to be an excellent deal. :)

KFTY-DT is currently obscured by KTEH's analog signal on 54, but their PT
contour doesn't
offer much hope.

>
> > > But one thing that has me a bit concerned is the TVFool.com data
> > that suggests that KGO-TV's PT operation will be about 20 kW of
> > ERP. KNTV-DT is about 100 kW. Channel 7 is only 30 MHz lower than
> > channel 12... can that small frequency difference adequately
> > explain such a large difference in power level between the two? Am
> > I going to have any trouble picking up KGO after February?
> >
>
> > One way to see if you're going to get KGO-DT on channel 7 is to see
> > what you get for a picture for KGO-TV analog on 7.  They'll be
> > transmitting from the same antenna, and the 24 kw digital is
> > slightly better than the 316 kw analog.  If the analog picture is
> > clear, without ghosts or snow, you should have no problem with KGO-
> > DT on channel 7.  However, if you have poor analog reception,
> > you'll probably have problems with the digital signal too.

We have a great analog picture on 7 - if anything, the gain of the whole system
is probably
too great, because there is some evidence of multipath, but not so much that
you'd object
(you have to look close). So I'll stop worrying. :) Thanks.

not really a reply to the question, but now I'm very happy with the
lineup change and I do hope it lasts. My Sage TV HTPC reports the kteh
schedule on 9.2 so now I can watch Dr Who and Eastenders! Yippee!
Sounds lame, but it's very exciting to me. Now I'm 100% satisfied with
being 100% OTA. I keep trying to convince my friends how much better
life is without cable, but they still dont believe me.



--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H. Fischer"
<SFischer1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Who is the collector of listings for TitanTV?
>
> Tribune is not the only one.
>
> Stephen H. Fischer
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Larry Kenney
>   To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:01 PM
>   Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: KQED - KTEH (NCPB) Monday Listings on SD
>

Hi,

Tribune is the listings supplier for many cable systems and others.

They started Zap2It to reduce the Web Page Scraping of listings.

It must have been a big problem for them and their customers.

They must have thought they could control this misuse of their listings with
newer web page designs so they ended Zap2It free listings.

Sage might be an "ILLEGAL" web page scraper.

My quick research makes me suspicious.

How is Sage getting it's listing?

Schedules Direct (SD) was started with a $20 / Year goal which was quickly
met. The Tribune servers still provide the listings.

No listings are "free". You must look at ads on the web based listings.

Here in Silicon Valley (Sunnyvale for me) the street light pole Internet
service found that they could not make money with ad's and have closed down.

So there may be some problems ahead for ad based services like the web
listing ones.

Stephen H. Fischer

----- Original Message -----
From: kpslo_ross
To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: KQED - KTEH (NCPB) Monday Listings on SD


not really a reply to the question, but now I'm very happy with the
lineup change and I do hope it lasts. My Sage TV HTPC reports the kteh
schedule on 9.2 so now I can watch Dr Who and Eastenders! Yippee!
Sounds lame, but it's very exciting to me. Now I'm 100% satisfied with
being 100% OTA. I keep trying to convince my friends how much better
life is without cable, but they still dont believe me.

via> http://www.tvspy.com/

Sources tell Shoptalk that a number of the station's best and most award-winning
reporters
were cut. But the cuts also included other editorial and technical
personnel.
Here's the list of those cut:
Paul O'Neill, San Jose-based desk assignment editor
Noelle Walker, Oakland based reporter (won  2007 Edward R. Murrow  awards for
"Writing" and "Best Serious Feature")

Danny Garza, San Jose based reporter
Ethan Harp, San Francisco based reporter
John Wheeler, SF/Oakland based Satellite Truck (Truck being sold)

Kathy Kirtland (news exec assistant)

Jan Boyd (new media producer)
Sources made a point of telling me that NBC was
both gracious and generous as a company could be in this
circumstance...providing severance packages that included several
months of pay and benefits. But that was tagged with a prediction: there's more
cuts to come. And you can blame it on automation.
Automating and Outsourcing KNTV
Sources tell me that there will be additional cuts within  the next  few weeks,
as KNTV introduces APC "automated production control" for  its on-air news
production.
APC essentially eliminates all
of the news technical and control room staff, with control being
handled by a sequencing computer operated by one controller and one
assistant.
All  camera operations are  already robotic at KNTV, and have been since moving
into a new building. With the introduction of APC,  the  entire newscast will 
be handled by a  production crew of about 4 people.
What does all this mean?
In NBC11's case, all master control operations
are handled from Burbank; the news graphics are provided from Dallas.
With the latest cuts, the station has been budgetary reduced to a
news-gathering and writing building with a news studio and sales
offices. As sources suggest: "in many ways, the NBC11 story is a
prototype of how "automated" a major market station can be today."

There are links at the bottom of each page, 3 pages total

Page 1 - Introduction
http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/index.htm

Page 2 - Performance
http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/performance.htm

Page 3 – Specifications
http://www.digitalhome.ca/ota/superantenna/design.htm

LopakaBob

http://www.televisionbroadcast.com/content/sports_tv_news/Bringing_Everything_Together.shtml

I've been trying different antennas (amplified and not) and different locations
with no luck.

Could I been in some kind of reception shadow of the San Bruno transmitter?

Does anyone have any experience with successful over-the-air NBC HDTV reception
in San
Francisco?

Or any suggestions about what I could try next?

Thanks.

Geoff

I'm easily able to get a KNTV signal at my Potrero Ave home, despite
having Bernal hill in the way.  Remember that KNTV digital is a VHF
station and thus requires a different kind of antenna.  I simply use a
pair of good ol' rabbit ears bent just the right way...

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kenney <Larry@...> wrote:
>
> I get a solid signal from KNTV, as well as KTSF and KKPX, the other
> two stations transmitting from Mt. San Bruno.  I'm located at the
> north edge of Noe Valley, 315 feet above sea level, near 21st and
> Eureka Streets.
>
> Noe Valley has lots of hills and dales, so reception will vary a lot
> depending on where you live.  If you look south from your home, do
> you have a good open view in that direction or is there a hill in the
> way?  Can you see the towers on top of Mt. San Bruno or is the
> mountain hidden from view?  TV signals do not travel through hills,
> but they can roll over them somewhat.  It all depends on your location.
>
> Larry
> SF
>
> - - -
>
> On Jul 5, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Geoffrey wrote:
>
> > I've been trying different antennas (amplified and not) and
> > different locations with no luck.
> >
> > Could I been in some kind of reception shadow of the San Bruno
> > transmitter?
> >
> > Does anyone have any experience with successful over-the-air NBC
> > HDTV reception in San
> > Francisco?
> >
> > Or any suggestions about what I could try next?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
> >
> >
>

Larry and "krtswnsn",

Thank you so much for you replies. I really appreciate it.

It is very good to hear of your success! The two locations I have tried are my
home
(Grand View between 25th and Clipper) and a friend's (Douglass at 19th, not very
far
from you Larry).

If I look south from my home I see a hill that is part of Diamond Heights - no
view of Mt.
San Bruno or its towers. I just tried using a rabbit ears antenna at home
(instead of the
Radio Shack indoor/outdoor "HDTV Antenna" I tried before) but still could not
get a lock
on KNTV digital (11.1 - channel 11 or 12).

However I did get an extremely fuzzy sporadic picture on KNTV analog (11) a bit
better
than I did before. Is reception of KNTV analog a good indicator of the ability
to get KNTV
digital?

I will try the experiment at the home of my friend in Eureka Valley and report
again but
any thoughts before then welcome.

Geoff

anyone know when it will be correct for daytime xmissions??
last week 9.1 said 'hd will return at 5pm' or whatever, this week
everything is a generic 'dtv program'.

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kenney <Larry@...> wrote:
>
> Geoff...
>
> Rabbit ears probably aren't good enough to pick up the KNTV signal.
> They don't work here either. You need a better antenna.  The signal
> you get for KNTV analog is an excellent indicator of how well you'll
> get KNTV digital.  Both transmitting antennas are on the same tower
> up on the mountain.  When you see a decent picture on 11, then you'll
> be able to get 12, KNTV digital.
>
> Larry
> SF
>
> - - -

STRANGE AS IT SEEMS I have been getting KNTV 11.x quite consistently
on my Terk HDTVi (rabbit ears for VHF, silver sensor clone for UHF)
since I went to a very low noise pre amp this spring - but only from
about noon through evening into fairly late night. This in W.San Jose!
Some dropouts once and a while but overall watchable.

If you want to try a preamp you might want to gamble $49.95 + shipping
from www.kitztech.com/ They do have a 10day guarentee.

Before that I was using the quite highly rated Motorola drop amp (very
respectable 2.5 db internal noise factor - don't have a link handy at
the moment)

I have not tried reconnecting the Motorola since 11 digital appeared
so I don't know for sure if the sudden reception of that station was
due to the change in amps, although the overall reception was slightly
better even though the intervening trees have all fully leafed out.  I
did however get 11 analog all along on the Terk rabbit ears portion of
the HDTVi.

Go figure!
----------


> On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Geoffrey wrote:
>
> > Larry and "krtswnsn",
> >
> > Thank you so much for you replies. I really appreciate it.
> >
> > It is very good to hear of your success! The two locations I have
> > tried are my home
> > (Grand View between 25th and Clipper) and a friend's (Douglass at
> > 19th, not very far from you Larry).
> >
> > If I look south from my home I see a hill that is part of Diamond
> > Heights - no view of Mt. San Bruno or its towers. I just tried
> > using a rabbit ears antenna at home (instead of the Radio Shack
> > indoor/outdoor "HDTV Antenna" I tried before) but still could not
> > get a lock on KNTV digital (11.1 - channel 11 or 12).
> >
> > However I did get an extremely fuzzy sporadic picture on KNTV
> > analog (11) a bit better than I did before. Is reception of KNTV
> > analog a good indicator of the ability to get KNTV digital?
> >
> > I will try the experiment at the home of my friend in Eureka Valley
> > and report again but any thoughts before then welcome.
> >
> > Geoff
> >
>

Larry,

What guide are you referring to when you say that information for
KTEH is correct? On my 622 DVR 54-5 (V-me) is completely blank
(simply says digital service) and 54.3 (life) is obviously wrong
while I'm not sure about 54.4 (kids). I know you have a 622 so I'm
assuming you're referring to some other Tribune guide information.

Bob

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kenney <Larry@...> wrote:
>
> The program guide is shown correctly on the KQED web site -
http://
> www.kqed.org/tv/digitaltv/index.jsp - and the Tribune program
guide
> is showing the correct information on Dish Network.  What guide
are
> you looking at?
>
> KQED 9.1 is now on the air 24 hours a day.  The schedule for 9.1
is
> the same as for channel 9 analog.  Programs that are available in
HD
> are shown in HD on 9.1.
>
> 9.2 is now the SD broadcast of KTEH, San Jose, and 9.3 is PBS World.
>
> On KTEH 54.1 is now KTEH SD (same as 9.2), 54.2 is KQED-SD, 54.3
is
> PBS Life, 54.4 is PBS Kids and 54.5 is V-me.
>
> Larry
> SF
>
> - - -
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 3:41 PM, wilfsdad1965 wrote:
>
> > anyone know when it will be correct for daytime xmissions??
> > last week 9.1 said 'hd will return at 5pm' or whatever, this week
> > everything is a generic 'dtv program'.
> >
>

i'm talking about the electronic program guide they transmit in the
ota stream that you access when you press guide or info on yr dtv
remote. it has been wrong for 9.1 since the switchover for the hours
they didn't used to broadcast on that channel. as soon as 5pm come
along it's fine again. it may be fixed now, i just noticed it on july
1st when it said 'hd will resume at 5pm' instead of whatver program
was on screen at the time, then on monday this week it had a generic
'dtv program' for daytime programs.

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kenney <Larry@...> wrote:
>
> The program guide is shown correctly on the KQED web site -  http://
> www.kqed.org/tv/digitaltv/index.jsp - and the Tribune program guide
> is showing the correct information on Dish Network.  What guide are
> you looking at?
>
> KQED 9.1 is now on the air 24 hours a day.  The schedule for 9.1 is
> the same as for channel 9 analog.  Programs that are available in HD
> are shown in HD on 9.1.
>
> 9.2 is now the SD broadcast of KTEH, San Jose, and 9.3 is PBS World.
>
> On KTEH 54.1 is now KTEH SD (same as 9.2), 54.2 is KQED-SD, 54.3 is
> PBS Life, 54.4 is PBS Kids and 54.5 is V-me.
>
> Larry
> SF
>
> - - -
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 3:41 PM, wilfsdad1965 wrote:
>
> > anyone know when it will be correct for daytime xmissions??
> > last week 9.1 said 'hd will return at 5pm' or whatever, this week
> > everything is a generic 'dtv program'.
> >
>

Hi

KQED (NCPB) is no different from most of the other stations.

The "electronic program guide they transmit in the ota stream" is apparently
of little concern to the stations.

The KCSM person who has posted here has said that he tries to keep it up to
date, but he is in the minority.

The converter box I just got shows only the current program and the next
one. My HDTV will go forward only a couple of hours.

I disabled the OTA pg on one of my HTPC tuner cards in favor of ~ 13 days
very good listings from Tribune ($20/Year).

I rarely look at the OTA pg with my other HTPC tuner card but when I do it
is present not too often and bad like your report. They do not even get the
time of day right.

The bottom line is that you should not expect much improvement and some
stations will never get it right (KMTP for example).

When I purchased my NTSC TV I paid for the on screen listings from
TVGuide++. They were good the last time I had that TV on.

The OTA sets are such a low number when compared with Cable's numbers that
the stations consider the listings are being provided by the Cable supplier
(You pay for the listings).

With out paying for listings, do not expect to get good ones. Looking at
ad's is one way of paying.

Stephen H. Fischer


----- Original Message -----
From: wilfsdad1965
To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:20 PM
Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: kqed/kteh epg


i'm talking about the electronic program guide they transmit in the
ota stream that you access when you press guide or info on yr dtv
remote. it has been wrong for 9.1 since the switchover for the hours
they didn't used to broadcast on that channel. as soon as 5pm come
along it's fine again. it may be fixed now, i just noticed it on july
1st when it said 'hd will resume at 5pm' instead of whatver program
was on screen at the time, then on monday this week it had a generic
'dtv program' for daytime programs.

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "wilfsdad1965"
<wilfsdad1965@...> wrote:
>
> anyone know when it will be correct for daytime xmissions??
> last week 9.1 said 'hd will return at 5pm' or whatever, this week
> everything is a generic 'dtv program'.
>

KQED changed the DTV to mirror their analog channels  KQED and KTEH
they moved all the SD channels to KTEH San Jose  transmitter  leaving
the North bay and parts of the east bay without PBS-KIDS

I'm pretty sure this is just me, but I'll be damned if I know what's wrong.

I have a CM7777, CM4228 and a Y5-7-13. Yesterday, they were all working fine.
This
morning, everything seems like it's at half strength. Even the analog side seems
like it's
weaker than it was. Even 54 isn't coming in hardly at all (I live in Santa
Clara). I tried
unplugging the power supply for the amp, but that made everything disappear the
rest of
the way. The only thing I can think of is that the recent heat wave killed my
amp, but that
just doesn't seem likely (it's brand new).

I don't know what to check next. Any ideas?

Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in about DTV converters.  Radio Shack
switched to selling the Digital Stream DTX9950 from the Insignia.  I
bought one of them along with a Zenith from CC to see which I
preferred.  Hands down it was the DTX9950.  More intuitive remote
layout, 12 hour EPG (versus current and next program on the Zenith)
and, best of all, I can pick up KNTV digital without any problem.  I
gave up cable and installed a Channel Master 4228 at the same time as
the converter boxes.  I have a 32" Philips LCD, a 42" Panasonic plasma
and a 19" Samsung.  The Philips and Panasonic both have built-in ATSC
tuners but can't pull in KNTV (analog or digital) but got everything
else.  Only the DTX9950 has been able to lock onto KNTV.  I'm in a
horrible location below Skyline Drive in the Oakland hills with no line
of sight to Sutro or San Bruno.  I was so impressed with the converter
(and had an extra coupon) I bought one to use with the Panasonic.
Using it for KNTV looks pretty darn good even in SD composite output
and now I have a reasonable program guide (when the PSIP has correct
info).  Anyone on the west side of the East Bay hills having trouble
with KNTV should try this solution.  Certainly beats paying exhorbitant
prices for cable or satellite.

I would check all cable connectors/plugs for good
tight fits, and also inspect the external cabling to
make sure it is also in good shape.
--- Nick Sayer <nsayer@...> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure this is just me, but I'll be damned
> if I know what's wrong.
>
> I have a CM7777, CM4228 and a Y5-7-13. Yesterday,
> they were all working fine. This
> morning, everything seems like it's at half
> strength. Even the analog side seems like it's
> weaker than it was. Even 54 isn't coming in hardly
> at all (I live in Santa Clara). I tried
> unplugging the power supply for the amp, but that
> made everything disappear the rest of
> the way. The only thing I can think of is that the
> recent heat wave killed my amp, but that
> just doesn't seem likely (it's brand new).
>
> I don't know what to check next. Any ideas?
>
>
>
>

--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "zanzi1999" <zanzi1998@...>
wrote:
>
> Thought I'd throw my 2 cents in about DTV converters.  Radio Shack
> switched to selling the Digital Stream DTX9950 from the Insignia.
I
> bought one of them along with a Zenith from CC to see which I
> preferred.  Hands down it was the DTX9950.  More intuitive remote
> layout, 12 hour EPG (versus current and next program on the Zenith)
> and, best of all, I can pick up KNTV digital without any problem.
I
> gave up cable and installed a Channel Master 4228 at the same time
as
> the converter boxes.  I have a 32" Philips LCD, a 42" Panasonic
plasma
> and a 19" Samsung.  The Philips and Panasonic both have built-in
ATSC
> tuners but can't pull in KNTV (analog or digital) but got
everything
> else.  Only the DTX9950 has been able to lock onto KNTV.  I'm in a
> horrible location below Skyline Drive in the Oakland hills with no
line
> of sight to Sutro or San Bruno.  I was so impressed with the
converter
> (and had an extra coupon) I bought one to use with the Panasonic.
> Using it for KNTV looks pretty darn good even in SD composite
output
> and now I have a reasonable program guide (when the PSIP has
correct
> info).  Anyone on the west side of the East Bay hills having
trouble
> with KNTV should try this solution.  Certainly beats paying
exhorbitant
> prices for cable or satellite.
>
It's my belief that the over the air broadcast channels seem to
deliver the best quallty when it comes to picture and sound. My wife
and I have 2 Samsung receifers and 2 receivers from the Government
and have found that all of these over the air receivers outpefoormed
any small dish system, although we used C-band as well for our full
entertainment We are able to receive 60 over the air TV channels from
an outside channel master 4228 and tenna and plan to install an
antenna facing the N/W direction for the Chicho channels. We have
found that we receive more news coverage given the reason that we
have the privledge to receive these many TV stations are no cost to
us.