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Re: [GreenLeft_discussion] Re: "Howard's land policies like Hitler'   Message List  
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Re: "Howard's land policies like Hitler's"

The hysteria gets worse

Bob Gould

Norm Dixon works himself up into an artificial frenzy, calls Peter
Beattie a scab and claims Beattie is supporting the police officer who
was carefully criticised in the coroner's report on the Palm Island
events.

I saw Beattie on television commenting on these matters. He was
cautious, but he went out of his way to say that he had confidence in
the coroner, who did her job very professionally. He went on to say
that the police officer had been removed from active policing and
placed in office work.

He added that it was up to the Director of Public Prosecutions to
decide how to proceed, and by implication whether to prosecute the
police officer. That's hardly supporting the police officer, anywhere
but in the feverish propaganda of Dixon and Riley.

Bourgeois jurisprudence includes the doctrine of the separation of
powers. This doctrine isn't perfect from a socialist point of view,
but it is quite unreal to expect a politician of the careful
Bonapartist Labor sort to proceed outside the framework of that doctrine.

After all, when campaigning for proper treatment for David Hicks,
socialists take the agitational position, quite properly, of demanding
normal legal procedures rather than Bush's kangaroo court. Socialists
should be very careful about demanding summary justice for anyone.
The artificial fury of Riley and Dixon aside, they should consider
these questions:

a. An election is about to take place in Victoria. The Labor
government has reformed the Victorian upper house, introducing a form
of proportional representation, thus democratising a reactionary
institution that has been a fetter on the workers of Victoria for 150
years. The ruling class in Victoria is very worried about the awful
prospect of Greens being elected in four or five of the upper house
seats under the new proportional representation arrangements, and
having the balance of power. This is all thanks to democratic reforms
introduced by a Labor government, which is no small thing.

b. Even concerning the extremely conservative Labor government in NSW,
Blind Freddy can see that virtually the whole of the ruling class is
now preoccupied with trying to remove the Iemma government. The
reactionary state political correspondent, Imre Salusinsky who has now
made the transition from alleged humourist to high politics
commentator, spelled it out brutally this morning to Virginia Trioli
on the ABC, talking about Howard's speech at last night's Quadrant
dinner. Salusinsky said that the Tories were putting maximum effort
into defeating the Iemma government because the determined stand of
the NSW trade unions had stiffened up the Iemma government on Work
Choices, and that was a very considerable obstacle to federal
government plans to shackle the working class (my words, not
Salusinsky's).

In these situations, real class forces are at work. There are many
more issues facing the labour movement than the dopey, ultraleft and
increasingly mad preoccupations of Dixon and Riley.








Wed Oct 4, 2006 2:56 am

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... Norm is correct. I am allowed to be angry as this issue of indigenous abuse and disdain warrants it. Regardless what Gould may say : it does. If you are...
dave_r_riley Offline Send Email Oct 4, 2006
2:44 am

The hysteria gets worse Bob Gould Norm Dixon works himself up into an artificial frenzy, calls Peter Beattie a scab and claims Beattie is supporting the police...
bobgould987 Offline Send Email Oct 4, 2006
2:57 am

... From http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20520707- 3102,00.html ... Fresh call to suspend officer Neil Hickey and Rosanne Barrett October 04,...
alanb1000 Offline Send Email Oct 4, 2006
4:15 am

Bob Gould's obscure writing on indigenous affairs, allegedly hidden away on the Ozleft website Bob Gould Norm Dixon in passing says: "Bob Gould/Ozleft's...
bobgould987 Offline Send Email Oct 4, 2006
12:55 pm

Whatever the merits of Bob Gould's articles (and from memory they are quite good), as I said they are not worth tuppance, if he cannot respond to the...
glparramatta Offline Send Email Oct 4, 2006
10:54 pm

... What is really interesting is that, as the Courier-Mail article I linked to yesterday showed, other ALP members (at least one MP, and a significant union...
alanb1000 Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
12:14 am

Thanks Alan for your distortion of my, and the DSP's views. Where in anything I have written, or in Green Left Weekly or in DSP documents, do I/we say "all ALP...
glparramatta Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
12:49 am

... I pointed out that the "all ALP members are always worthless" thing was a caricature when I wrote it, so I don't expect to find you actually saying it! But...
alanb1000 Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
1:43 am

... get upset,>> Riley didn't just get upset, Norm, he let fly with a stream of incoherent abuse. ...
Ed Lewis
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Oct 5, 2006
1:58 am

Ed, More politics less trolling please. How about telling us what *you* think about the Qld ALP's response to the kicking to death of an Aboriginal man? To the...
glparramatta Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
2:17 am

Bugger it, I keep forgetting to put my name to my puny contributions. Yes, I fully agree with Norm that due process must be observed regarding the wrongful...
Maria Lane
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Oct 5, 2006
3:04 am

One thing at a time, Norm. Peter Beattie has made it clear that he's being careful to observe due process and the separation of powers between the legislature...
Ed Lewis
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Oct 5, 2006
7:23 am

Well Ed. I'm glad you respect the rule of law and are dedicated to the separation of powers. The problem is that this death occurred 2 years ago and the...
dave_r_riley Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
8:22 am

So, Dave, should Beattie wade with an opinion that would let the copper off on a technicality through a mistrial?...
Ed Lewis
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Oct 5, 2006
8:28 am

... So you don't think Constable Hurley should have been sacked --that two years after this crime is committed it is de rigueur for the state to stand by their...
dave_r_riley Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
8:59 am

... The thing is that it isn't a matter of him being sacked. It's actually the far more tepid option of him being "stood down on full pay". That is, he's still...
alanb1000 Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
9:27 am

Most of the points you make seem to be good ones, Alan, including the fact that ALP members have been critical of the process. Riley may have been making some...
Ed Lewis
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Oct 5, 2006
9:57 am

Inflammatory language creates the potential for violence on the far left By Bob Gould On the basis of the evidence presented, I'm not certain whether the ...
bobgould987 Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
1:37 pm

... Could somebody show Bob how to use Google? A quick search will show the name showing up as the author of GLW articles, as a member of the SA from 2003, and...
alanb1000 Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
2:42 pm

... mistrial ... It is good that some of the excess heat has gone from this discussion. But the passion that we all feel in revulsion at the death in custody ...
arled2 Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
1:41 pm

1) The Brisbane Murri community and its supporters meet Friday(today) to discuss the present situation in the lead up to the rally on Tuesday. 2)The petition...
dave_r_riley Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
4:01 pm

By Bob Gould A certain amount of common sense has broken out, happily, in the discussion of the event surrounding the coroner's report on the death on Palm...
bobgould987 Offline Send Email Oct 6, 2006
2:54 am

Riley apparently wants the copper to get off on a mistrial. Whose side is he on?...
Ed Lewis
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Oct 5, 2006
9:42 am

It didn't stop NSW Labor commenting on the Macquarie Fields Riots, the Cronulla racial villification day of rage, on Lebanese "criminals"(their words, not...
Peter Perkins
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Oct 6, 2006
5:39 am

Perhaps we could get back to something like the topic of this strand of dialogue, i.e. Indigenous land rights. In the SA Pastoral Act 1936 (and actually ever...
Maria Lane
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Oct 5, 2006
2:57 am

... I suggest Ed you should not publicly libel someone as committing assault, or believe a bunch of nutters like the Sparts about something which no one else ...
Nick Fredman
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Oct 5, 2006
3:26 am

Okay Nick, that's the first comment by the DSP that I've seen on this incident. In the absence of any comment I thought the Sparts' version of events was not...
Ed Lewis
edlewis567 Offline Send Email
Oct 5, 2006
4:34 am

Is someone going to put our refutation of the Spartacist version of events out publicly somehwere? Like on this list? The Sparts have splashed theirs around...
Michael Karadjis
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Oct 5, 2006
4:50 am

Yes, it's done the rounds, to little effect I think (apart from giving a few sectarians something bait the DSP with -- strange why the Sparts' weird take on...
glparramatta Offline Send Email Oct 5, 2006
5:08 am

Colonisation is economic & cultural racism put into action . Denying racism in this country denies that it was invaded, Indiginous peoples had genocide...
Ana
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Oct 3, 2006
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