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Re: Comment on the dispute in the DSP leadership

Dave and I had an exchange of views on this matter nearly 12 months ago, that
discussion
continued off list. Here is an extract from an exhange on 29 December 2004.
Bryan Sketchley


Hi Dave, and thanks for your response. I note that you
haven't addressed the substantive issue, of itself not
particularly important, but increasingly indicative of
folks handling the truth somewhat recklessly. The fact
is that you submitted a motion word for word a copy of
what Peter Boyle submitted for discussion 3 months
earlier. If you, and others choose to organise with
the DSP in such a manner then so be it, but there are
obvious political issues raised by doing so.

--- dave_r_riley <dhell2@...> wrote:

> Anyway, I was dead serious in suggesting that you
> take up your
> concerns in the pages of Alliance Voices. If you
> want to persist
> with your public allegations against me, please
> write them up for
> publication in Alliance Voices where i can deal with
> them in open
> debate. And while you're at it name all the others
> in the Alliance
> who you consider are unable to think for themselves
> and are
> similarly conspiring with the DSP to the detriment
> to a pluralist
> SA. It should make an interesting list even it it
> won't win you many
> credits among the general SA membership.


I'd invite you to lay your cards on the table in the
AV and I guess we can let the members then decide that
if, while claiming not to be a formal member of
organisation, you present set pieces from their
leadership without as much as a simple disclaimer
acknowledging such. My view is simple, it is less than
honest, decieving the membership, and SA bodies, and
hardly conducive to a pluralistic organisation. If you
think its an acceptable practice, why not let the
entire membership know?


--- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "dave_r_riley" <dhell2@o...> wrote:
>
> --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Lewis" <ozleft@o...>
> wrote:
>
> > Really Dave, you have no credibility at
> > all until you explain this.
>
> I owe you nothing.
>







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This point of Doug Jordan's is a pretty good one, too. "The major question that seems not to asked in this current debate is why so few people have joined...
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... I owe you nothing....
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Dear list members, This thread is getting completely uncomradely and unacceptable on this list. Political and personal accusations have been made that are not ...
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