Dave, it's wise for us to take a long view on these things. Even if the gradient is slight we might have 20 or 30 more closures in the next 50 years. In 150...
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Pinny Lew
pinnylew
May 25, 2012 5:59 am
Having just topped out this morning after 5 days in surprise valley-tapeats creek-deer creek (in the airport now waiting for my flt back to ny) I would not...
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Marsha Kesselring
marsha_kesse...
May 25, 2012 5:31 am
   I figured he had a better chance of getting a permit for there, I didn't say it would be fun, although as we all know, the definition of fun does vary...
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Slawa Ciula
slawagc
May 25, 2012 4:32 am
Marine vet sightseeing after return from combat tourin Afghanistan killed in double fall in Grand CanyonMay. 24, 2012 04:08 PM | Associated Press DERBY, Kan....
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Bob
washburn_0117
May 25, 2012 4:25 am
We were returning on the Park shuttle from South Kaibab when this was going on. About 12 Park Ranger SUV’s a couple ambulances and at least 30 tourist...
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JoshC
surfer4887
May 25, 2012 12:47 am
I'm just concerned with the precedent the Deer Creek closure sets with regards to ambiguity for the true reason. It seems like it is meant to punish a single...
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dmarcus2@...
dmarcus2...
May 25, 2012 12:38 am
Josh, you're welcome to disagree with me. We'll just have to wait and see. But while we're waiting, what's the angle of repose for this issue? In other words,...
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DougN
cheops82
May 24, 2012 10:12 pm
(?) Camp in "Desert Valley" this time of year? could be over-doing it for anyone not experienced with this environment. As Dave M just reminded, "Surprise...
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Peter Borremans
glassman54304
May 24, 2012 9:42 pm
Hi Bill.. You just did :-) Pete Borremans Have been unable to get my messages to post. Help please. Thanks, Bill [Non-text portions of this message have been...
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crispbill@...
crispbill...
May 24, 2012 9:16 pm
Have been unable to get my messages to post. Help please. Thanks, Bill...
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Old Hakatai Hobo
oldhakataihobo
May 24, 2012 7:16 pm
It's so nice getting old and meeting the same new friends for the first time again. Try not to confuse the OHH....
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Chris Forsyth
chris.forsyth
May 24, 2012 6:23 pm
We are saying the same thing, albeit I was saying it in reverse. Jerry would "not be bypassing" an obstacle because it is hikeable on river right. Chris...
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Marsha Kesselring
marsha_kesse...
May 24, 2012 4:29 pm
If you are flexable, maybe. You might try for a camp in Surprise Valley, dry so there are water management issues but if you want to hike to Thunder River or...
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TomJones
ratagonia
May 24, 2012 4:10 pm
Good catch, Bill. I was trying to sneak it through on the side... The two Devil's Tower lawsuits were much more explicit, however, they preceded the Age of...
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Dave Mortenson
dave@...
May 24, 2012 4:00 pm
Sara, Drifter and the many others who have expressed their thoughts, I first visited Surprise Valley in 1962 (Deer Creek). This beautiful valley was where...
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TomJones
ratagonia
May 24, 2012 3:48 pm
... No sarcasm this time... Zion's Subway is a remarkable place. At times, it is quite difficult to get a permit, but overall, not so hard. There may be 100...
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TomJones
ratagonia
May 24, 2012 3:37 pm
Yes, I agree that for you there is no reason to rappel Deer Creek Falls. (Sarcasm ON) And clearly, no one would EVER want to do ANYTHING that involves the risk...
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Doug Nering
cheops82
May 24, 2012 3:16 pm
Irrespective of whether the decision is appropriate or wise, this was an effort by Access Fund to misapply an anti-religous formulation of Constitutional law...
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dnally
May 24, 2012 1:02 pm
Most people are satisfied seeing the bottom or the top of a slot, and when a trail or route exists to bypass the slot, it works just fine for all. But some of...
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Old Hakatai Hobo
oldhakataihobo
May 24, 2012 8:07 am
The administrative closure by the NPS was based on their loose interpretation of the 1994 Amendment of AIRFA. Section 3(A)subsection (d) on page 4 of the...
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Jerry
jerrynorton.rm
May 24, 2012 7:56 am
... Love this group. I think there are right and wrong ways and means to bend and break rules. This article is a pretty good encapsulation of my views: ...
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Anton Solovyev
anton.solovyev
May 24, 2012 7:55 am
If one was to show up this coming Saturday morning at the North Rim backcountry window and asked for a permit to spend a night somewhere near Deer Creek (looks...
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Jerry
jerrynorton.rm
May 24, 2012 7:10 am
... After watching the video that Rich posted of Deer Creek flashing, I am astonished that any hand prints are still there. I did remember a panel that was on...
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Jerry
jerrynorton.rm
May 24, 2012 7:05 am
... Not really fair Tom: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/538873/BOTCHED-RAPPEL-BLAMED-IN-DEATH-OF-ZION-CLIMBER.html For me there's no reason to rappel when...
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Dan
carpeybiggs
May 24, 2012 6:14 am
Thought this was an interesting and somewhat relevant note in the NY Times today, concerning the objections of native tribes to the management of fish in the...
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Bill Ferris
billferris2003
May 24, 2012 5:37 am
The Access Fund's document specifically states a Nevada Federal District Court had ruled against the lawsuit, thus upholding the legality of the climbing ban....
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JoshC
surfer4887
May 24, 2012 4:03 am
**cough cough**. Bull shit....
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JoshC
surfer4887
May 24, 2012 4:01 am
I have to thank Tom for finally answering my question. I am glad to see some folks who, regardless of the issue, can point to case law to show a closure like...
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John
johngeyles
May 23, 2012 11:31 pm
... No kidding. It seems a little silly to complain about any real or perceived abuses by Canyon users when these monstrosities are still allowed free...
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driftersmith
May 23, 2012 10:07 pm
... Well, lets hear that argument. Can you point to any evidence of "a resurgence of Paiute spiritual beliefs?" I'm not saying it didn't happen - rather that...
