John, It has been almost a year but I happened to re-read your post and since then I have learned what a "lollipop hike" is. It is not, as the name might...
Scoutmaster, a friend to this group had an idea about avoiding a car break-in at the Hualupai hilltop. If you stay at a hotel in Peach Springs the night...
I think the meaning of the word "canyoneering" is still evolving. Steve Allen, author of three books on canyoneering in Utah, says that canyoneering is to...
Hey Bob, I think you nailed it. Hiking down Phantom Creek from the top or down Kanab, or Havasu (Supai campground to the Colorado River) or a classic hike...
Supainee, The answer to the first question is "not very". That assumes a fair level of Grand Canyon competence and experience, since getting off route gets you...
Sally is too kind. What really happened is that we went up the drainage from Lava/Chuar towards Juno Saddle, staying in the bed because we were too lazy to go...
I am wondering what ice/snow conditions are like on the upper portions of the South Kaibab are right now if anyone has been out lately, are we past crampon...
We came up Saturday morning. No snow, a small bit of ice in a few places but you had to look hard for it through the mule manure. Crampons definitely...
Chris, Rich, and Bob - Thanks for the detailed explanations describing the canyoneering phenomenon. Looks like I need to get out more so I can keep abreast of...
We took our first Grand Canyon hike last April after 3 years of research & I highly recommend down S Kaibab & up Bright Angel. We were lucky enough to get 2...
I would strongly argue that Canyoneering doesn't require or mean the use of ropes anymore than Mountaineering does. If you go up mountains, you're a ...
This is a logical defense of parallel meaning of similar words, if only language was strictly logically constructed... Words mean what people understand them...
If there is one thing we can learn from climbing and mountaineering, it is that one day, someone will do those routes (or most of them) that required all the...
Please note that Nancy has sold her book offering. . . Also, the water at Ed Hatch Cabin (Snake Gulch/Kanab Ck) is off. There are 3 breaks in the line and it...
Now you are describing a specific occasion and not related to communication who you are or what you know. Review below and note that I said that someone is...
Doug, It depends on what the definition of "is" is. Dick Matthews "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different...
You're kidding? (of course you are). :o) I lurk the S Utah canyoneering group sometimes and accidents are always dramatic stories with serious lessons....
Chris, It will be a real mystery how they managed. Dick Matthews "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way." -- Mark...
Doug, I understand the point and issue you raise. Where you place the limits of definition impacts the utility of that definition. By having the definition be...
Ya know, friends, it's just sour grapes but an old man like me who hears and sees all of these "canyoneering" exploits, well, it all smacks of bragging rights...
Hmmm, reading all these posts brings me back to something I believe Rich said in an earlier post. He basically stated that there is canyoneering and technical...
I agree with everything you said! : ) ... believe Rich ... canyoneering and ... backpackers ... if you ... canyon ... canyoneering. I ... canyons and if ... ...
Watching the likes of Chris Webb or Chris Sharma climb makes it very difficult to say that a something cannot be climbed - is physically impossible. Add to...
Hi Sally-- I just came back from an out and back on the Point Huitzil route yesterday afternoon and I can confirm Tim's report. On March 29, there was green...
Tim, I agree with you on a lot of your points however I would rather Rappel a pour-off in some cases verses the downclimb/bypass that many Hikers/backpackers...
Many thanks to Sally and David for their helpful responses. It was David's original report that scared me. David, may I ask you two questions. Firstly, on what...
Doug, I agree that an activity should not be defined by a technique. "Skaters" do not wear skates, but "boarder" was already taken by the folks on snow. BUT...
... On your right when facing upstream towards the saddle Secondly,why do you describe the route over the ... Because it gains no time, can cost you a lot of...
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