When I went to the Xanterra website from the link on the official GC website, I got a short, terse message that Xanterra was no longer managing the lodges at...
Bob-- I echo comments of others as to receipt of "the letter." We got one for a trip that had us hiking into upper Phantom on the entry day, and then a night...
I'm wondering if their web guy mixed stuff up. S Rim looks fine now, N Rim has the notice, with a link back to NPS but NPS hasn't updated yet withg the new...
Hi Doug and Bob Thank you for your thorough responses to my questions. Doug, you mentioned that the trail from the river to Deer Creek could be a problem....
Charlie - The talus slope is a debris slide of various sized rocks, from car size to gravel and sand. If you don't pick you footing carefully, you might be...
I put together mw own form in Microsoft Word and they've always been happy with it - the last permit I received using it was within the past month. I don't...
... Let me get this straight ... The experienced people leading this hike rate Grandview and Deer Creek trails as their most relevant experience ? I wonder...
I too use my own Microsoft Word form and it has always been accepted. Among other things, it allows me to have longer itineraries and I have a master form...
... Seems true. Sometimes when I haven't had access to the internet and didn't have any forms w/ me, I just wrote my request on a plain piece of paper. It...
When I obtained my last permit I went to the window with just my beginning date and the order of use areas written down on an index card. I asked the permit...
... Bob, All my permits (last 15-20 yr) have had some version of that. In the early days, I could not get my permit until I filled in and signed an additional...
Among the three of us, we have about 7000 miles of backcountry experience, mostly in the mountains. Pete's reported no problems or issues with his previous...
As to the Cranberry rt. We did it some years ago. I did not consider it too difficult, however the group we lead in nearly mutanied by the time we reached...
donaldpvadair@...
Jan 2, 2008 6:16 pm
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... experience, mostly in the mountains. Pete's reported no problems or issues with his previous decent from Indian Hollow (didn't need ropes, etc.) to the...
Sorry but this is rather cryptic to me. Care to elaborate? ... From: mike_coltrin To: Grand_Canyon_Hikers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008...
The words rope and belay are not the issue. It is the mixed messages that come with it. When some say they climb a route without either and some say they do,...
I don't see a big problem, but this is somewhat different from the initial impression that the group was perviously all on existing trails in GC -- but your...
The group we took down Cranberry was a mixed group as far as skills went but as leaders it wasour responsibility to see everyone up or down safely. Four of us...
donaldpvadair@...
Jan 2, 2008 8:55 pm
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I want to thank everyone for their helpful advice. I also want to thank Bob Hostetler for clarifying a major misunderstanding. Our proposed hike is down the...
Hey! I just missed out on a local backpacker's group trip to GC. I was planning about the same time in April as your trip so you really caught my interest. ...
Physically, that is true but this is not so deeply invested in risks of navigation, rate of travel, and/or other unpredictable elements, so this is a much...
Charlie, Assuming you're getting a morning start from the Deer Creek Patio (the flat area just upstream of the Deer Creek Narrows), it shouldn't be that hard...
I fax them a handwritten request that goes something like"Dear folks at the Backcountry Office" I do not include much info other than where I would like to go,...
... No! It's not! The location of Vaughn Spring was misplotted on the old 15' quads, which became the basis for the original Topo Illustrated Grand Canyon ...
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