RRFW Riverwire - BROWER FILM SHOWING ACROSS THE COUNTRY Release date: September 30, 2004 "Monumental: David Brower's Fight for Wild America" is now showing at...
Thanks Doug, that's the answer we were looking for, cheers, tom Tom Martin, Co-Director River Runners For Wilderness Arizona Field Office PO Box 30821,...
NPS Morning Report Grand Canyon National Park (AZ) Falling Fatality Dispatch received a report of a visitor fall in the Redwall Bridge area along the North...
... I arrived at Phantom on Tuesday and shared a dorm with a woman who had been one of the first to arrive on the scene after the fall -- it may have been she,...
... That wall problem is a broken cliff on a colluvial slope. Neither the cliff nor the trail, at this point, is in a canyon. ... There is no obstacle in the...
RRFW Riverwire - GLEN CANYON DAM RELEASE UPDATE Release Date October 1, 2004 Operations Releases in October 2004 will be similar to those observed in...
RRFW Riverwire - RELEASED GRAND CANYON RIVER PLAN GETS AN F Release date: October 1, 2004 Ever increasing discrimination against the do-it-yourself public,...
... Oh, really? On 1/21/04 Gary C. Palmer wrote, using the same email ... The rest of the post, pasted below, is interesting because of the amount of...
Although i have been skeptical of some of Gary's info in the past, his comments about clear creek are accurate. There are two reasons why someone might not...
Very sad... If the report is correct he was 70 and carrying a 60 pound pack on a rim-rim trip... Sounds like a heavy load especially for the super highway NK &...
... That "report" was a rumor I heard. We don't know if it's true, and we have no idea what shape he was in. For some 70 year olds, 60 pounds is doable, albeit...
I'm taking my second trip back to the Tatahatso Point area, this time a little better prepared (hey! a map would be nice, wouldn't it?) My 18-year-old son and...
"For some 70 year olds, 60 pounds is doable, albeit heavy by today's standards." Sure it's doable, but if you trip at the wrong time that kind of load can...
Eddy, I was coming up with a couple of red flags, too, and am just taking it with a grain of salt. Thanks for the heads up. I have received lots of good info...
It might require "hand and toe climbing" to get to the river at the mouth of Shinumo Wash. But there is an easier way. When you get to the steep section (top...
More mocking from Eddy... (sigh) I would prefer substance over style, but I will take the bait anyway. The Clear Creek info is ambiguous and you have merely...
... load can surely take you down no matter how strong you are. Correction: If you trip at the WRONG time ANY kind of load can surely take you down no matter...
Correction I wasn't assuming that that is what happened here, I was just pointing out that 60 pounds is a huge load( I don't even know if he was carrying a...
Thanks so much for your response. We've done a lot of summer hiking in the canyon -- actually all of it except last year we were there in December (cold --...
I'm also a teacher and hike each June in the Canyon. At 3:30 on the last day, I jump in the van and drive from Wisconsin, and usually do two hikes, the first...
I don't really hate to defend Gary, but I hiked down CC with a friend who thought it was too scary to proceed past the small waterfall. I'll bet more people...
Oops, previous post should have said: I really hate to defend, not I don't really hate ... I don't really hate to defend Gary, but I hiked down CC with a...
That's funny Bob, because I read it the way you meant it. :) ... From: Bob Bordasch To: grandcanyon@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 3:36 PM ...
It is very sad and possible preventable. I have to comment without knowing all the details of the fall. I think 60 pounds is a ridicules amount of weight for...
... problems ... Not easy to find anything on the reservation. Multiple roads going to lots of places. Expect to spend some time getting located if you have ...
If you look at the map on the topos of the Grand Canyon there is a short draw above the second "N" in NATIONAL on the map. This is what I was calling a canyon....
You will have some wrong turns trying to find things out here, and possibly may not find what you are looking for at all. But wherever you end up on the rim,...
That is a great recommendation that Bill has made and the route in is complicated enough in a couple of places that it will give you some challenge even though...
... (1) They were coming DOWN the North Kaibab -- my post was clear on that. (2) The 60-pound pack was a detail heard second-hand, and I'm wishing I'd never...
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