From: Angela Passaro <passaroa25@...>
Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Re: Gohonzon
To: GohonzonForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 5:20 PM

I knew your name sounded familiar, Jim Waggoner. Other SGI (then NSA)
pioneer members talked about you like you were virtually second in
command to Mr Williams. Whenever I think about your name I can only
remember it being pronounced with a Japanese accent :). Greetings from
a still never-let-go SGI member (since 1982).

Angela Passaro
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:52, JIM WAGGONER wrote:
> I accept the notion (doctrine?) that the Gohonzon is not an object, but
> an event; the Eternal On-going Ceremony in the Air as portrayed in the
> Lotus Sutra. The Mandala Gohonzon might be seen as the Gateway to
> participation in this event.
>
> It is Taisekiji's view that not to worship the Daigohonzon means you
> will never attain Buddhahood. The Shoshu has twisted the Nichiren's
> teaching to justify self-righteous, ethno-centric position.
>
> Any Mandala not authorized by Taisekiji is full of demons. I have heard
> and read the rhetoric directly from Nichiren Shoshu priesthood (and
> Gakkai leaders, for that matter).
>
> Links:
>
> http://www.geocitie s.com/chris_ holte/Buddhism/ IssuesInBuddhism /daigoh.html
>
> http://www.nichiren scoffeehouse. net/Gohonzon/ DaiGohonzon. html
>
> Namaste,
>
> Jim
>
> --- On Sat, 6/27/09, Mark Porter <map@ichinensanzen. org> wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Porter <map@ichinensanzen. org>
>> Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Re: Gohonzon
>> To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 6:17 PM
>>
>> The Dai Gohonzon is not a super Gohonzon even though some would
>> portray it as such. The individual Gohonzon is representative of the
>> individual environment. The Joju Gohonzon is representative of the
>> community environment, and the Dai Gohonzon is representative of the
>> world environment. In fact, it is the most beautiful Gohonzon in the
>> world, and I don't think anyone would doubt that, though they are all
>> beautiful in their own right.
>>
>> The thing is that even if you don't believe it is authenticly Nichiren
>> you can't dispute that it is a valid Gohonzon. Just as valid as any
>> Gohonzon created by Priests of Nichiren Shu, right? And in that regard
>> it must be respected just as you would respect any Gohonzon. By no
>> means should we denigrate this absolutely beautiful Gohonzon just
>> because we may have questions regarding its authenticity!
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: butsu72@yahoo. com
>>>
>>> To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com
>>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:22 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Re: Gohonzon
>>>
>>> I went on Tozan in '81, when I was looking outside myself for the
>>> Gohonzon.
>>>
>>> Nichiren stated "never seek the Gohonzon outside oneself". The idea
>>> that he wanted a SUPER-GOHONZON seems contradictory.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 6/27/09, tendlersmith <tendlersmith@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: tendlersmith <tendlersmith@ yahoo.co. uk>
>>> Subject: [GohonzonForum] Re: Gohonzon
>>> To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com
>>> Date: Saturday, June 27, 2009, 5:16 AM
>>>
>>> Has anyone here been on Tozan and saw the DaiGohonzon, I have three
>>> times and I never felt it was fake, I actually cried the second time.
>>> I also see that Nichiren Shoshu Buddhsm is pure and the Lotus Sutra
>>> is pure and as long as each successive Hgh Priest follows Nichiren
>>> Daishonin's Buddhism without putting their own agenda then I will
>>> follow the High Priest. I have had many benefits without looking for
>>> them I have good health and the Shoten Zenjins always protect
>>> especially when I am claening up a lot of negative karma, this is the
>>> year of Rissho Ankoku Ron was written so I will follow Nichiren
>>> Dasihonin, he said as long as each successfie High priest is
>>> protecting the law then I follow them.
>>>
>>> This Buddhism has to do with the Mystic Law of Cause and Effect and
>>> that means human beings are accountable for thoughts, actions and
>>> deeds. If anybody can get Shinyo 29, by Taisekeji, Overseas Bureau,
>>> The Rissho Ankoku Ron, it will give a better idea
>>> what Nichiren Shoshu Buddhism. All the best
>>>>
>>>> From: RJ Peters <rj_ptrs@yahoo. com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Gohonzon
>>>>
>>>> To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>
>>>> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 4:25 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Waggoner:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have often said there is no true Buddhism. There is only
>>>> Buddhism. I've been met with a number of responses from all sides.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only one I haven't heard yet is: My Gohonzon can beat your
>>>> Gohonzon any day!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I'm still waiting for that one to come.lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best to you sir,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, JIM WAGGONER <butsu72@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: JIM WAGGONER <butsu72@yahoo. com>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [GohonzonForum] Gohonzon
>>>>
>>>> To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>
>>>> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 6:24 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was with NSA from '72 until NSA became SGI. I was with NST until
>>>> going independent in '03. During that time, the priesthood always
>>>> insisted that the Gohonzon should never be copied in any form (at
>>>> least in the L.A. area).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I currently have a Nichiren's Last Mandala enshrined in my altar
>>>> and it is liberating not being bound by dogma I simply don't beleive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMO, the Nichiren Shoshu has totally distorted Nichiren Buddhism
>>>> with the "true sect", "true Buddha", self-righteous BS. I beleive,
>>>> like many others, that the Dai-Gohonzon is counterfeit and was never
>>>> commissioned my Nichiren. Then you have the SGI the "spawn of NST",
>>>> who promote the same distorted views. Each thinks they have the
>>> market cornered on the truth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, rogergolemboski <rogergolemboski@ yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: rogergolemboski <rogergolemboski@ yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [GohonzonForum] Gohonzon
>>>>
>>>> To: GohonzonForum@ yahoogroups. com
>>>>
>>>> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 7:11 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I posted "Away from the Cult" I didn't mean for it to go the
>>>> way it did. I apologize that it did.
>>>>
>>>> Now, about Gohonzon. When I first came to NSA it was back in 1988.
>>>> I was surprised to see that Gohonzon is allowed to be photographed
>>>> as it is on a lot of these websites. When I first joined NSA, I was
>>>> told that the Gohonzon is never to be photographed.
>>>>
>>>> That is my concern now. Who said Gohonzon is allowed to be
>>>> photographed and put in a frame and
>>> chanted too?
>>>>
>>>> When the SGI was excommunicated from Nichiren Shoshu, I turned my
>>>> Gohonzon in and exchanged it for a SGI Gohonzon.
>>>>
>>>> When I went Taitan, I threw it in the Dumpster.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I said in my first post that I do miss my first Gohonzon, not
>>>> the SGI Gohonzon. I didn't feel right with that thing. I also heard
>>>> that Ikeda just had to have his name written on it. I really never
>>>> cared for Ikeda. I always thought that he was trying to be something
>>>> he wasn't.
>>>>
>>>> No disrepect to SGI.
>>>>
>>>> I just want to know a couple of things.
>>>>
>>>> I want to get back into the practice. How do I find Hokkeko groups
>>>> in the Pittsburgh Area?
>>>>
>>>> Untill I get a regular Gohonzon, is it okay for me to print a
>>>> Gohonzon out and put it in a frame, hang it on a wall and chant to it?
>>>>
>>>> No disrespect to NSA, SGI, Nichiren Shoshu, Nichiren Shu, or Hokkeko.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
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