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Prepositions and nisbes.pdf

I am attaching, and have put up in the GlyphStudy Files - C&M 2009 (C&M resources), a chart comparing the preposition 'm' and the preposition 'n'. Both of these can have the same translation - but in different contexts. I noticed the odd misuse of these prepositions in the homework, so I hope the chart will help show you under which circumstances each is used. Please don't worry about learning these - but it may help to be able to refer to them.

I have also added a chart on nisbe's: adjectives formed by adding a 'y' to a preposition - as I don't think C&M explain this in any detail.

I was going to wait until after Xmas before issuing this, but it may be of help to anyone doing the Winter Break exercise.

Best wishes

Angela

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#6643

From: ANGELA MANN <manna1@...>
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:51 am
Subject: Winter Break Exercise

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Rob,

Senettekh's name is written oddly (that is all I will say - although others may like to discuss it!) - but the sign you think is 'nb', isn't nb - so have another look.

Regarding 'n'. Don't forget that there is an 'n' in Intef's name. I think you should know the appropriate translations for the preposition 'n' in respect of this stela but, in case you don't, I have put up in the Files (C&M 2009 - C&M Resources) a chart of the different meanings for the prepositions 'm' and 'n'. I was preparing this for issue after Xmas as it also contains something on nisbes - but I have put it up now. I may add to it later.

Best Wishes

Angela

#6642

From: "david_new1" <dnew1968@...>
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:17 am
Subject: Re: Winter Break Exercise Questions

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The hare is actually E9. It's followed by F44.

#6641

From: Robert Federal <robertfederal@...>
Date: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:42 am
Subject: Winter Break Exercise Questions

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Dear Angela and Glyph-Study People;

     I've been working on the Winter Break Exercise and I'm finding
more questions than answers.
     First off, throughout the text there is a plethora of "n"'s
and after checking every possibility I can't account for some of them.
     Then there is Senet's name, in several places throughout the
text I've found "t x nb". Is this part of her name or a title
with graphic transposition that I am unaware of?
     Finally, perhaps it's the onset of dementia, but I'm unable to
figure out the glyph between the E34 "hare" and the I9 "horned
viper" in Line 2. I've looked at the Gardiner Code in several books
(including Gardiner's) and found "similar" objects,
but nothing close enough to be even a remote possibility.
     I know many of you are far better versed than I and hope
you'll be able to point me in the right direction.

                           Thanks in advance

                                     Rob

#6640

From: "olsoba2000" <madi7@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: Identify a cartouche

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--- In GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com, "MICHAEL D" <jmdickey@...> wrote:
>
> Can anyone identify this cartouche a picture of which I found in my album. One
of many unusualy clear glyphs which I snap in close up, so there is nothing
around it to help identify it.
>
>      M17 Y5*N35*U6*N35 C7 M17 M17
>
> the Y5 to second N35 are one above the other and C7 holds a HqA sceptre .
>
> There arent many cartouches with Seti in them and none like this that i can
find.
>
> Michael
>
Michael here is a link to my Seti scarab which I have had some feedback as to
the glyphs. Richard...
http://pages.prodigy.net/madi7/seti/seti.htm

#6639

From: Vincent Euverte <vincent.euverte@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:47 pm
Subject: Identify a cartouche

vincent.euverte

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Dear Michael, and all GlyphStudy Chaps,

There is a very close cartouche of Sethy I's birthname provided by Jurgen von Beckerath (Handbusch der Ägyptischen Königsnamen ; Münchner Ägyptologische Sutdien - 1999 - ISBN 3805325916, p.151 - ref. E3), with transliteration "StXy mry.n Imn"
The MdC coding would then read < i mn:n U6 C7*i*i n > versus < i mn:n U6:n C7*i*i >.

Should you be interrested, Rosette is proposing all titulatures up to the XIXth dynasty as catalogued by von Beckerath, searchable either by Gardiner code, transliteration, or name through our dictionary (http://projetrosette.info/page.php?Id=599), or by chronology (http://projetrosette.info/page.php?Id=252).

I hope this helps a bit. Kind regards,

Vincent Euverte, Rosette Project
web = http://vincent.euverte.free.fr
Projet Rosette : http://projetrosette.info

#6638

From: "MICHAEL DICKEY" <jmdickey@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Identify a cartouche

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This is an attempt to send the Seti cartouche referred to in message 6632. I am not sure where in Yahoo it will land or if it will be visible if it does.

Michael

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#6637

From: "MICHAEL DICKEY" <jmdickey@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Identify a cartouche

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This is an attempt to send the Seti cartouche referred to in message 6632. I am not sure where in Yahoo it will land or if it will be visible if it does.

Michael

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LUXOR (169).jpg

#6636

From: "MICHAEL D" <jmdickey@...>
Date: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:25 am
Subject: Re: Identify a cartouche

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Thanks Rhio; this 'suneagle' page shows an exact mirror image of the one I have
got. Your first referance at the 'joanlanberry' site, though vertical, shows it
as Seti I at Karnak which I think is where I found my stone and tells me which
Seti it probably referred to.

One thing I had not realised was that there is variation of the writing/choice
of glyphs within cartouches of a given Pharoah, which explains why I had not
found a 'Seti beloved of Amon' in any of my books. A useful learning experience
for me!

Michael

--- In GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com, Rhio Barnhart <rhbarnhart@...> wrote:
>
> This may be it, frustratingly no source given:
http://www.suneagle1.com/suneagle3.htm
> If this is it, copy the link to the EEF list. Some one will know!
> RHB
>
> On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:31 AM, MICHAEL D wrote:
>
> > Can anyone identify this cartouche a picture of which I found in my album.
One of many unusualy clear glyphs which I snap in close up, so there is nothing
around it to help identify it.
> >
> > M17 Y5*N35*U6*N35 C7 M17 M17
> >
> > the Y5 to second N35 are one above the other and C7 holds a HqA sceptre .
> >
> > There arent many cartouches with Seti in them and none like this that i can
find.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
> *******************************
> Rhio H. Barnhart
> Head of the Music Department Library
> Systems Manager for Music
> University of California, Davis, CA 95616
> (530)752-8716   FAX (530) 752-0983
> rhbarnhart@...
> *******************************
>

#6635

From: "nekht_ankh" <nekht_ankh@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:42 pm
Subject: Re: Identify a cartouche

nekht_ankh

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That's good enough. It reads the same, although the arrangement of the signs is
slightly different.

The picture at the top of the page is from the Amun temple at Karnak, where Seti
has become "beloved of Amun", in honour of the resident deity, instead of his
usual epithet "beloved of Ptah". This is also the case in the brightly painted
examples further down the page, which, if I'm not mistaken, are on the underside
of lintels in the great hypostyle hall, part of which was constructed by Seti I.

--- In GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com, Rhio Barnhart <rhbarnhart@...> wrote:
>
> Michael,
> There is one at http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/set-car.html that is
close.
> RHB
>

#6634

From: Rhio Barnhart <rhbarnhart@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Identify a cartouche

rhio_barnhart

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This may be it, frustratingly no source given: http://www.suneagle1.com/suneagle3.htm

If this is it, copy the link to the EEF list. Some one will know!

RHB

On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:31 AM, MICHAEL D wrote:

Can anyone identify this cartouche a picture of which I found in my album. One of many unusualy clear glyphs which I snap in close up, so there is nothing around it to help identify it.

M17 Y5*N35*U6*N35 C7 M17 M17

the Y5 to second N35 are one above the other and C7 holds a HqA sceptre .

There arent many cartouches with Seti in them and none like this that i can find.

Michael

*******************************

Rhio H. Barnhart

Head of the Music Department Library

Systems Manager for Music

University of California, Davis, CA 95616

(530)752-8716 FAX (530) 752-0983

rhbarnhart@...

*******************************

#6633

From: Rhio Barnhart <rhbarnhart@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: Identify a cartouche

rhio_barnhart

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Michael,

There is one at http://www.joanlansberry.com/setfind/set-car.html that is close.

RHB

On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:31 AM, MICHAEL D wrote:

M17 Y5*N35*U6*N35 C7 M17 M17

*******************************

Rhio H. Barnhart

Head of the Music Department Library

Systems Manager for Music

University of California, Davis, CA 95616

rhbarnhart@...

*******************************

#6632

From: "MICHAEL D" <jmdickey@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:31 pm
Subject: Identify a cartouche

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Can anyone identify this cartouche a picture of which I found in my album. One
of many unusualy clear glyphs which I snap in close up, so there is nothing
around it to help identify it.

      M17 Y5*N35*U6*N35 C7 M17 M17

the Y5 to second N35 are one above the other and C7 holds a HqA sceptre .

There arent many cartouches with Seti in them and none like this that i can
find.

Michael

#6631

From: ANGELA MANN <manna1@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:55 pm
Subject: Allen 2009 exercise 8.25

angela7773

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Fritz,

Look up 'bAk jm' in the dictionary. Then have a look at S8.10 - 6th line. This should help.

Best wishes

Angela

#6630

From: "Fritz" <fritz@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:07 pm
Subject: Allen 2009 Exercise 8

fritz.range

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I have posted a worksheet for Exercise 8 at www.amazingtouregypt.com.  Just
follow the links and remember that you may need to "refresh" the web page. 
Again, please point out any errors to me at info@....  These
are for your use.

#6629

From: "Fritz" <fritz@...>
Date: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:33 pm
Subject: Allen 8.25

fritz.range

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I do not understand this construction

N35:G21-V28-A2-Q3*Z7:N35-G29-V31a-A1-M17-G17-N35:V30-R13-I9

nH pw n bAk jm n nb.f

It is the "n bAk jm n"  that is the problem as it second "n" is odd to me.

Is this just an error on Allen's part where "n" could be a part of "nb" or am I
not seeing something

nH  = prayer
pw  = this
n  = of
bAk = servant
jm = to
n = of
nb = Lord
f = his

#6628

From: Bobby the Baboon <lrdfdrknss1@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: Re: �

lrdfdrknss1

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I seem to remember the phrase being that Isis invented demotic "so that not all writings would be in the same script", but I don't remember what the ancient source was. �I'll try to find it, but someone else on the list might know. �I might have seen the quote in a book by deTraci Regula. �

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Eris <eris.tirrem@...> wrote:

From: Eris <eris.tirrem@...>
Subject: Re: [GlyphStudy] Re: �
To: GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 3:41 PM

Interesting, where did you find that Isis invented demotic?

Eris
Qematet en Aset

#6627

From: Bobby the Baboon <lrdfdrknss1@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: Re: �

lrdfdrknss1

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Sorry my recollection is sketchy, but I believe that the re-release was part of a four part video tape published by The History Channel, about ten years later. �

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Ben Morales-Correa <benmorales@...> wrote:

From: Ben Morales-Correa <benmorales@...>
Subject: Re: [GlyphStudy] Re: �
To: GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:15 PM

The video you refer to is about the Rosetta Stone for Ancient Mysteries:

http://www.all-about-egypt.com/video-rosettastone.html

I didn't know it was re-released with a different narrator. Do you have more information about this?

Ben

#6626

From: Ben Morales-Correa <benmorales@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: Re: �

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http://www.all-about-egypt.com/video-rosettastone.html

The video you refer to is about the Rosetta Stone for Ancient Mysteries:

I didn't know it was re-released with a different narrator. Do you have more information about this?

Ben

On Dec 17, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Bobby the Baboon wrote:

There was once a documentary on Egypt narrated by Leonard Nimoy. The script read "demotic" several times, but the actor read it as "demonic". The TV film was released as is, celebrity talent and all, I guess. But, some years later, it was re-released with a different narrator.

Off topic, I thought this odd since the wise and witty Mr. Spock was so reminiscent of the character of Thoth. But, I once knew an ordained Thoth priest who refused to discuss texts composed after the New Kingdom.

Later, I read a text that said that Thoth invented the early script, but Isis invented the demotic. But, I don't remember who the author of that (Greek?) comment was. Sorry for the randomness of this musing.

#6625

From: Eris <eris.tirrem@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:41 pm
Subject: Re: Re: �

eris.tirrem

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Interesting, where did you find that Isis invented demotic?

Eris
Qematet en Aset

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Bobby the Baboon <lrdfdrknss1@...> wrote:

From: Bobby the Baboon <lrdfdrknss1@...>
Subject: Re: [GlyphStudy] Re: �
To: GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:35 PM

There was once a documentary on Egypt narrated by Leonard Nimoy. The script read "demotic" several times, but the actor read it as "demonic". The TV film was released as is, celebrity talent and all, I guess. But, some years later, it was re-released with a different narrator.

Off topic, I thought this odd since the wise and witty Mr. Spock was so reminiscent of the character of Thoth. But, I once knew an ordained Thoth priest who refused to discuss texts composed after the New Kingdom.

Later, I read a text that said that Thoth invented the early script, but Isis invented the demotic. But, I don't remember who the author of that (Greek?) comment was. Sorry for the randomness of this musing.

#6624

From: Bobby the Baboon <lrdfdrknss1@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re: �

lrdfdrknss1

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There was once a documentary on Egypt narrated by Leonard Nimoy. �The script read "demotic" several times, but the actor read it as "demonic". �The TV film was released as is, celebrity talent and all, I guess. �But, some years later, it was re-released with a different narrator. �

Off topic, I thought this odd since the wise and witty Mr. Spock was so reminiscent of the character of Thoth. �But, I once knew an ordained Thoth priest who refused to discuss texts composed after the New Kingdom. �

Later, I read a text that said that Thoth invented the early script, but Isis invented the demotic. �But, I don't remember who the author of that (Greek?) comment was. �Sorry for the randomness of this musing. �

#6623

From: Thomas Kelly <azhawk124@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:26 am
Subject: Re: Re: Ø

azhawk124

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Grant,

It was probably a "Freudian Slip" :-).

Tom

From: Grant Hicks <ghicks02@...>
To: GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 5:02:41 PM
Subject: Re: [GlyphStudy] Re: Ø

Actually the link worked just fine for me, and I was just joshing about the typo, which I'll admit I found amusing.

- Grant

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry_mccarthy_ uk
Sent: Dec 16, 2009 1:28 PM
To: GlyphStudy@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [GlyphStudy] Re: Ø

Yes, Demotic would be what was probably meant!

The link may not work for all, as there is a superfluous
period / full stop at the end of the link.

This link should work for all...

http://oi.uchicago. edu/pdf/CDD_ prologue. pdf

REgards, Jerry McCarthy, U.K.

#6622

From: Grant Hicks <ghicks02@...>
Date: Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:02 am
Subject: Re: Re: Ø

ghicks02

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Actually the link worked just fine for me, and I was just joshing about the typo, which I'll admit I found amusing.

- Grant

-----Original Message-----
From: jerry_mccarthy_uk
Sent: Dec 16, 2009 1:28 PM
To: GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GlyphStudy] Re: Ø

Yes, Demotic would be what was probably meant!

The link may not work for all, as there is a superfluous
period / full stop at the end of the link.

This link should work for all...

http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/CDD_prologue.pdf

REgards, Jerry McCarthy, U.K.

#6621

From: "jerry_mccarthy_uk" <jerry_mccarthy_uk@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: �

jerry_mccart...

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Yes, Demotic would be what was probably meant!

The link may not work for all, as there is a superfluous
period / full stop at the end of the link.

This link should work for all...

http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/CDD_prologue.pdf

REgards, Jerry McCarthy, U.K.

#6620

From: Grant Hicks <ghicks02@...>
Date: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:50 am
Subject: Re: Ø

ghicks02

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I really hope you mean "The Demotic Dictionary". Otherwise I'm afraid to click the link.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Kelly
Sent: Dec 15, 2009 1:53 PM
To: Rhio Barnhart
Cc: Bob , Caroline Gaudreau , GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GlyphStudy] Ø

Rhio,

I think that I may have found the correct definition for "Ø", as it is used by Carrier in Textes des Pyramides de l'Egypte ancienne, in The Demonic Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago; http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/CDD_prologue.pdf.

Look at pages 11, 19, and 24.

On page 11: See Ø in "Transliteration of Word".

On page 19: See "Ghost Word Entry".

On page 24: See Ø in "List of Symbols"

anx wDA snb

Tom Kelly

#6619

From: Thomas Kelly <azhawk124@...>
Date: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:53 pm
Subject: �

azhawk124

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Rhio,

I think that I may have found the correct definition for "�", as it is used by Carrier in Textes des Pyramides de l'Egypte ancienne, in The Demonic Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago; http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/CDD_prologue.pdf.

Look at pages 11, 19, and 24.

On page 11: See � in "Transliteration of Word".

On page 19: See "Ghost Word Entry".

On page 24: See � in "List of Symbols"

anx wDA snb

Tom Kelly

#6618

From: "Vincent" <vincent@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: Some Kamrin Files Removed

pyramidtexts...

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Hi Bob,

As you probably know, I have a page on my website Pyramid Texts Online that is
dedicated solely to Kamrin study aids:

http://www.pyramidtextsonline.com/study.html

I also have some other supporting material on the Tools page:

http://www.pyramidtextsonline.com/tools.html

I'd be more than happy to host any files such as the Kamrin collations for this
group there.

Oh by the way, I am not sure if it was already noted but I came across another
error in Kamrin yesterday.  On page 111 she introduces the crested ibis G25 as
seen in the word Ax, but calls it a heron.

Vincent.

--- In GlyphStudy@yahoogroups.com, "manske_r" <manske_r@...> wrote:
>
> Due to space limitations, I have removed some collations (1,3,4,5,6,7,8) for
the Kamrin group from this GlyphStudy site. I have copies available for anyone
who wants them.
>
> Bob
>

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#6617

From: MP Chase & KE Duffin <chase.m@...>
Date: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: Some Kamrin Files Removed

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I just joined a Yahoo group that also ran out of space for files and they created an annex group -- no posting, just for files. When people join the group they're told to join the annex group and the email has a link to a pre-approved invitation. I wonder if GlyphStudy should create an annex?

Penny

On Dec 13, 2009, at 6:14 PM, manske_r wrote:

Due to space limitations, I have removed some collations (1,3,4,5,6,7,8) for the Kamrin group from this GlyphStudy site. I have copies available for anyone who wants them.

Bob

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#6616

From: "manske_r" <manske_r@...>
Date: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:14 pm
Subject: Some Kamrin Files Removed

manske_r

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Due to space limitations, I have removed some collations (1,3,4,5,6,7,8) for the
Kamrin group from this GlyphStudy site. I have copies available for anyone who
wants them.

Bob

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#6615

From: "manske_r" <manske_r@...>
Date: Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: HOCH09: Study Guide 8 is up

manske_r

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Study Guide 8 is in the appropriate section under Files on both the GlyphStudy
and Hoch Homework GlyphStudy sites as well my website.  The Calendars are also
available as a .pdf in all three locations.  The Calenders are now complete
through 2010 May and are available in the Calendar sections of the GlyphStudy
sites as well.

My website has also been updated to include the end of lesson vocabulary entries
through Lesson Eight.  The sortvocab page, too.

The Study Guide for Lesson Seven has been updated and is available on all three
locations.

Enjoy,

Bob